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Tesla CEO Elon Musk Wishes the Chevy Volt Well as His Company is Awarded $465 Million in DOE Loans
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Elon Musk is the CEO of Tesla Motors, the company credited with jump starting the nascent electric car revolution, and inspiring Bob Lutz to conceive the Volt. Musk was the founder of PayPal who made his fortune by selling it, and besides Tesla also also founded a private space exploration company.
Musk is a man of opinion. He is not one to pull punches or shy away from controversy. He “appeared” on GM-Volt.com in the past when I once asked him why Tesla isn’t using a range-extender, and crossed paths with the Volt again on the David Letterman Show when Letterman at first bashed the Volt. Those comments were later rescinded by Letterman when he had Lutz and the Volt on the show.
Musk has decided to use his company’s blog to clear the air of all controversy. His main thrust was to dispel the claims of Martin Eberhard, Tesla’s former CEO, who is now suing the company for breech of contract, libel, and slander. While he was at it, in a very long diatribe, Musk also told the world Tesla is about to become profitable. Appearing among several other email footnotes, F to be specific, was…well, me.
“Although I sometimes disagree with the specifics of their strategy, I’m also glad to see many of the major OEM’s moving forward with either semi or fully electric car programs,” writes Musk. “The faster the industry transitions to electric, the better for the world. It is distressing when my comments about the Volt or plug-in hybrids in general are construed as an attack, rather than simply explaining, only when asked, why Tesla has chosen an all electric path. The Volt is in a different market segment from the Model S, but even if it weren’t, I would still wish it well (email F below).”
If you you want to read the actual email F interchange between Musk and myself he has published it for the world to see, and appears at the end of his post. About it all he writes:
A lot of nonesense has been written about me attacking the Volt. It stemmed from a response I wrote to questions from Lyle Dennis, who runs the GM-Volt.com commentary website. Lyle wrote a blog posting that was actually pretty reasonable and not inflammatory. However, several other bloggers either intentionally or unintentionally recharacterized that posting as me launching an attack against the Volt.
The problem was exacerbated by the Letterman show, where Dave went on the attack against the Volt. Perhaps I should have tried to defend it, but I could barely get a word in edgewise at times and my main goal was promoting the Model S. I couldn’t even get in my “important point” at the end of the show! The point I was trying to make was that an electric car has a cost of operation that is much less than a gasoline car, since electricity is way cheaper than gasoline. Also, I made an offhand comment at a small talk I gave in Silicon Valley where I said one of the reasons we went pure electric was out of concern that the engine in a plug-in hybrid would feel like a lawnmower, since it would have to run at high rpm and work hard for its size. This was a small audience, but the event was recorded and posted to a website. From there, the same set of bloggers again inaccurately portrayed this as another big attack on the Volt.
Let me be clear that I wish the Volt and any other semi-electric or electric cars well. Whether you care about national security, balance of payments, the high long term cost of oil or the environment, the answer is still that the car industry needs to make the transition and sooner is better. Obviously, Tesla has its reasons for pursuing a purely electric path and I articulate those in the email below, but the automotive sector is (still) a very big industry and there is plenty of room for other solutions too.
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Tesla Awarded Government Retooling Loans
The Department of Energy also announced today that Tesla will be receiving $465 million in DOE government loans it requested for building the Model S assembly plant. $365 million will be used for mass production of the $57,000 sedan which is expected to begin in 2011. $100 million will be used for a powertrain manufacturing plant.
The so-called $25 billion ATVM or retooling loans were first approved during the Bush administration era.
The other two recipients for now include Ford who gets $5.9 billion and Nissan who is getting $1.6 billion. Both companies will use the funds to advance their electric car programs.
GM and Chrysler did not receive first round financing becasue they are not currently considered viable due to bankrupcty. It is expected they will particiate in the second round. In fact GM’s business plans indicates an expectation of $5.7 billion in these loans between 2010 and 2013.
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GM Advanced Battery Lab Tour w/Video - Part I
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While in Warren Michigan for the opening of the GM advanced battery lab I along with a group of journalists was given a tour of the facility. I filmed the event (video below). In this segment we hear from Bill Wallace, engineering group manager, GM battery lab. He shows us the current Chevy Volt pack and tells us its the 5th design iteration.
Bill illustrates the progress of pack engineering since 2007. There is a process from proof of concept to Malivolts to current mules and soon on to mass production. GM will possess about 100 each lab packs, vehilce packs and manufacturing packs, for a total of about 300 by the third quarter 2009.
He notes over 200 li-ion cells from LG Chem are in each pack.
Bill explains what the packs contain in terms of thermal management structure and microprocessor controls.
He notes the packs are completely sealed to dust and water, and have insulation to maintain temperature when the car is unplugged.
He says the design has changed in every detail from the beginning and is now comprises of 155 unique part numbers of which 147 were designed and engineered by GM itself.
The pack completely supports high volume manufacturing. At full production volume, all the packs together will exchange over 3 billion kwh of energy in their lifetime.
Attacking Tesla he said “you cannot reliably attach 6000 cells over a large number of batteries,” extolling the virtues of the Volt packs advanced design and engineering with only between 200 and 300 cells each.
He answers my question and tells us that each cell is a little over 3.5 volts. He says he is confident there is no higher energy density cells available than these GM exclusive LG cells.
Finally he admits the battery pack can be safely completely submerged in water.
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GM and Toyota, What Will be?
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GM has recently announced it will be discontinuing the Pontiac Vibe, twin to the Toyota Matrix, currently built at the NUMMI plan in California. NUMMI is a joint venture between GM and Toyota which has been in existence since the 1980s.
Now that GM is going through bankruptcy, it remains unclear what will happen to the joint-venture operation, and what cars may be built there in the future. Furthermore, there have been rumors that Toyota might bring Prius production to NUMMI. Other rumors have indicated Toyota officials offering to “give” GM access to their synergy drive hybrid engineering, analogous to the time Microsoft once propped up Apple when it was on the verge of bankruptcy.
I recently had the opportunity to get one question in to Troy Clarke, who is GM’s VP of North America:
What are some possible options under consideration for GM’s involvement in NUMMI, and is GM considering licensing the synergy drive hybrid system from Toyota?
Lyle, With regard to Nummi we are still in discussions with Toyota on the JV and potential products. We are not in current discussions with Toyota on licensing their synergy drive. I would point out that we are working like crazy on our own hybrid technology. Also, we are really moving fast on the Volt of which you are well aware. By the way, thanks for your support.
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Nissan Plans to Build EVs and Batteries in USA
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In an effort to gain access to US government green loans, Nissan has intentions to build both an EV assembly plant and a lithium-ion battery production facility in the United States, according to Japanese newspaper Nikkei.
The company will invest between $500 million and $1 billion in the operation.
Nissan presently has a plant in Smyrna Tennessee. It is that facility which would be converted to both produce EVs and lithium-ion batteries. The battery production facility would be a joint venture with NEC.
Nissan expects to be able to produce 50,000 to 100,000 electric vehicles per year there by 2012, with the first one being a small passenger car.
Also you will notice we are trialing threaded comments. To reply to someone else, simply click reply. You can still start a new comment thread too in the usual way
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GM May Beat Expectations and Exit Bankruptcy by Mid-July, Though Facing Mild Opposition
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When GM entered into bankruptcy protection on June 1st there was uncertainty about how long the process would take. On paper its simple; move all the best performing assets into a new GM in a so-called 363 sale. Bad performing assets would then be gradually liquidated in court. Immediately prior to entering court, the majority of GM’s creditors agreed to swap their outstanding debt for equity stakes in the new company paving the way for a swift process.
The government’s Auto Task Force indicated they believed the process would take from 60 to 90 days.
New reports from persons familiar with the proceedings are suggesting that it could even be quicker than that.
According to the Wall Street Journal executives and advisers are hoping the company can exit court by mid-July, beating initial expectations as so far the court process has been smooth and uneventful.
On Thursday GM will seek access to the $33 billion in government funding it has been offered to launch the new company. Then, the automakers attorneys will return to court on June 30th to ask the judge to approve the final 363 sale. If objections are minimal and the judge can manage them it is possible it will all be over by mid-July.
Although the majority of bondholders have already agreed to the concessions they were offered, a minority are gathering to try and fight the sale in court. This includes a group of 10 state attorney generals, retired UAW workers, and a faction of small bondholders called “Unofficial Committee of Family & Dissident GM Bondholders” who all filed their objections in court on Friday, which was the deadline to do so.
These small groups citing lack of fairness, face an uphill battle and are unlikely to derail the plans for a New GM whose writing it appears is already on the wall.
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Cash For Clunkers Bill Passes Congress but Volt Could Arrive Too Late
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The value proposition of the Chevy Volt could change further. People tend to be fixated on its sticker price, but the complex nature of the vehicle and its interaction with the national economy, government, and natural resources really have created a moving target for the Volt’s price.
GM will not confirm pricing until May 2010 primarily because of the changing landscape of these facts, but most estimates place it around 40-ish or so.
That value became lower by $7500 when the tax credit for plugin-cars was legislated, which allows the first 250,000 buyers of the Chevy Volt (in the US) to receive a $7500 direct credit, thereby putting the effective price tag close to $30,000.
On Thursday the Congress passed a $1 billion “Cash for Clunkers” bill. This legislation provides up to $4500 in vouchers to anyone who trades in their old inefficient car for a new fuel efficient vehicle.
The requirements are that the old car get less than 18 mpg, and the new one more than 22 mpg. A difference of 4 mpg is worth $3500, if the difference in more than 10 mpg than its worth $4500. For trucks the new one needs at least 18 mpg and be 2 mpg greater than the old one for $3500, if its 4 mpg the voucher is worth $4500.
To see if you vehicle qualifies check here: FuelEconomy.gov
The plan will take effect 30 days after Obama signs it into law and could stimulate up to 250,000 vehicle sales.
If this voucher were applied to the Volt it could cost you $12,000 less than sticker if you have an old gas guzzler to trade in for it. Once catch though. The program expires in November, a year too soon for the Volt.
Don’t give up hope though. Some members of Congress are already trying to get the bill extended for another year, and that would cover the Volt launch.
Or better yet, maybe we should propose a new program called “Cash for Gassers” which would give people a cash voucher if they traded in their gas car for one that runs on electricity. The bigger the battery, the bigger the voucher.
Also, the possiblity of state tax credits or removal of states sales tax has the potential to lower initial Volt costs as well. As an example, I discussed with my assemblywoman’s adviser the creation of such a bill here in New York. The adviser said there would be a high likelihood they would draft it and that the assemblywoman would bring it to the NY State assembly in January 2010. You could consider doing the same in your state (or country).
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GM VP: Optimistic, On-Time, and Under-Budget on the Chevy Volt
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Jon Lauckner is GM’s VP of global program management. I recently had the chance to ask him some questions about the Volt’s development.
The initial Volts will use LG cells, but could GM use cells from any company in future cars?
Sure in theory that’s what we could do. Right now we’re really focused on start of production, end of next year is coming fast. And so we’re very focused on making sure we have the LG cell completely evaluated, tested, we understand it thoroughly.
People say that now that we’ve made this announcement with LG is there opportunities for other companies, and we don’t think this first installment of capacity for the initial production of the Volt is the end of the story for electrically-driven vehicles.
We think that lithium ion technology is going to be the technology not only for the Volt, but that its going to find itself in the hybrid vehicles as well. Lithium ion as a chemistry is going to move up in volume very dramatically over the next few years. By the way that not an opinion that’s only shared by us. If you go around to all the OEMs you’ll see that everybody is talking about lithium ion whether their talking about Volt-like vehicles, pure electrics, or even hybrids.
Are you surprised how many car companies now involved in electric car programs and do you think GM had a lot to do with starting all this?
I think its fair to say that we led the discussion on this particular topic, that’s for sure. It started 2 years ago at the 2007 Detroit Auto show where we unveiled the Volt and the initial reaction was to question whether we were sincere or whether it was some sort of PR stunt.
I think in the months and years since that point and time people have figured out that we’re very serious about this thing. Now that they’ve looked into this concept much more deeply you see all manner of manufacturers who are getting behind either the Volt concept in its entirety or certainly the idea of plug-ins generally. You see movement on the side of battery companies too. When we first introduced the Volt we said we had to go find the companies that had the capability to supply the battery pack that the Volt would need. Today you have announcements almost every month from a new company that wants to get into this space. Its been very interesting to see how this whole thing has evolved over the past couple of years.
Is there anything more at this point that could derail the Volt launch?
So far so good. All of us who have grown up in a technical community are understandably cautious about making big pronouncements when you are only part of the way there, because its always possible for something to pop up that wasn’t foreseen and so we’re naturally very cautious.
At the same time we need to be careful that our training by nature to be cautious isn’t somehow misinterpreted that we’re not optimistic and extremely pleased, because we are, more so that we’ve ever been. And were very pleased that were on time on target and under budget. You can’t ask for more than that when your running a program the size of the Volt and with the amount of technology that we’re designing developing and implementing largely on the fly.
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GM CEO Expects Company to Emerge From Bankruptcy According to Plan
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When GM went into bankruptcy on June 1st, it carried with it a risk that it might not rapidly emerge. It was hoped from the start that the quick-rinse or 363 sale bankruptcy could be completed within 60 to 90 days. Continuing in court for months or years would be an agonizing and likely devastating process for the automaker.
Chrysler was put through a similar process beginning a month earlier and was successfully able to merge with Fiat and leave bankruptcy after a mere 42 days.
GM’s CEO Fritz Henderson told reporters at a conference that presently he expects GM will successfully complete it’s bankruptcy process “according to plan.”
“We said 60 to 90 days, but it could be outside that,” Henderson cautions. “I’m not making another prognostication at this point.”
So far the risks of bankruptcy on sales haven’t materialized. In fact, he noted June sales were actually up compared to May, and have been increasing each month since March. Henderson attributes this in part to the fact that the federal government has backstopped vehicle warranties.
Henderson also said he expects oil prices to reach the $100 to $130 barrel range within the next several years and stay high. “We have to have a view,” he said. “It’s important because volatility is going to be permanent, and the consumer actually has changed how they look at energy.”
“We have to make vehicles that are beautiful, light, safe and meet all the requirements of society and are increasingly fuel efficient,” he said.
GM has plans to offer 14 hybrid vehicles by 2012 including the use of second generation lithium-ion BAS systems, 2-mode and plug-in 2 mode systems, and up to 3 Voltec models.
Source (Detroit News)
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Koenigsegg to Buy Saab and Build Electric Supercar
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Months prior to GM going into bankruptcy proceedings, the company had stated its intentions to sell Saturn, Saab, and Hummer while ending the Pontiac brand.
Since June 1st the sell off has been happening fast and furious. First we heard that Tengzhong of China will buy Hummer, then it was reported that Penske Automotive plans to buy Saturn, and now it has been announced Swedish supercarmaker Koenigsegg plans to buy Saab.
The Saab deal will be funded in part by $600 million in capital from the European Investment Bank and guaranteed by the Swedish government. GM has stated in a press release that it will “continue to provide Saab with architecture and powertrain technology during a defined time period.”
Koenigsegg is known for producing low-volume million-dollar ridiculously fast supercars, in fact their staff of 45 only built 18 cars last year. A new report indicates that Koenigsegg is actually planning to use the Saab production facilities to build among other things electric cars. In particular, the company had previously unveiled a 512 hp solar-electric 4 seat supercar concept called the Quant at the Geneva Auto Show earlier this year.
This vehicle uses two large rear-wheel electric motors and incorporates solar panels into the hood and roof which won’t generate significant energy except to help run on-board peripherals. The same company making the panels however, NLV of Sweden, has also developed a new type of battery for the car called “Flow Accumulator Energy Storage.” This device has an energy density of over 170 wh/kg, can store up to 300 miles of range and be recharged in 15 to 20 minutes.
Koenigsegg stated at the time of the reveal that it hoped to be able to produce the car in a few years.
It is now being reported that the company’s new access to Saab hardware, resources, facilities, and technology will enable it to actually bring this car into production.
This news is on the heels of Tengzhong China indicating it intends to make fuel efficienct new green Hummer models and Penske’s plans to sell electric Saturns.
So it seems the discarded parts of the old GM may very well blossom into advanced technology electric car companies of their own rights.
Who would have thought?
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Taking Delivery of the MINI E Electric Car
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On Friday June 12th I took delivery of an electric MINI Cooper, car #412.
After registering on a waiting list, I was chosen as one of the 100 people in New York State who would get to participate in a one-year close-ended lease of the pure electric car. BMW, the parent of MINI, is calling this a field test. They plan to take back all 450 cars (100 in NY and NJ, 250 IN CA) at the end of the lease and dismantle them. The purpose in to learn about how electric cars will fare on public roads and in the public’s hands.
Truth be told, I’m not a MINI fan, its the powertrain Im after here.
In my opinion, the cars are best described as mules. They are converted standard MINIs and weigh in at 3656 pounds. They have not been built from the ground up as an electric car. The rear seat has been removed and replaced with a very large 573 pound 35 kwh lithium-ion battery (28 kwh usable) supplied by E-One Moli. The drivetrain was engineered and installed by A/C Propulsion.
The car is strikingly styled with silver and bright yellow accents including stylized plug decals on the sided and roof. It is a head-turner as I can attest.
Inside the cockpit is comfortable, eclectic, and interesting. The MINI controls are unusual and unique among cars, taking a little getting used to. There is a large dial ahead showing the battery state of charge (SOC) and in the center stack an even larger dial displaying velocity (mph). A small LED display can be toggled through screens that shows battery SOC, temperature, and miles remaining.
Placing in a keyfob primes the car, and then there is an engine on/off button. Like all electric cars you know its running when lights on the dash go on, there is no roar of an engine.
The car is very silent and stepping on the accelerator lightly allows you to creep off electrically.
The 150 kw motor develops a whopping 205 hp that is capable of pinning you into the seat. For some reason, there is a built-in minimal delay before take-off from stop which ever so slightly dampens the rush of instantaneous torque. 0 to 60 is 8.5 seconds but feels a lot faster. Nicely, once moving even when traveling at highway speed, a stomp on the accelerator instantly springs the car forward in a way most combustion cars cannot, like silently leaping through space. The car is front wheel drive.
The regenerative braking is very intense and the car rapidly grinds to a stop just by lifting one’s foot off the accelerator. Brakes are almost unnecessary. This takes a little getting used to but I actually came to enjoy it.
The car handled a bit skittishly. It was easy to chirp the tires especially if taking off on a slight turn. The car has a go-cart like road feel, low to the ground and very fun around turns if not a little disconcerting to some drivers.
There is a 94 mile (when fully charged) electric range. Charging is simple and can be done at 120 V though a specialized J1772 adapter. As part of the program MINI installed an EV charger wallbox in my garage that operates at 240V and 32 or 50 amps, which can fully recharge the car in 4 hours. At 120V it takes 24 hours.
I’ll have the car for one year. The lease fee was supposed to be $850/month but because the cord for the wallbox hasn’t gotten UL certification yet, MINI is giving one of the months for free, bringing the actual cost to $780/month. For me, driving about 1800 miles/month the vehicle will save about $250 in gas. Collision insurance is paid for by MIIN and the wallbox is installed for free, effectively putting the monthly cost in the $400-$500 range. Yes there is a significant premium but being able to drive all electric is worth that to me.
There are some slight imperfections being the car is a mule. The door locks are a little sticky, rarely the car won’t start and the key has to be removed and replaced. The big battery has a loud ventilation system and produces noticeable heat. There is also essentially no storage space, and as mentioned handling is a bit awkward.
The car hasn’t been engineered from scratch as an electric car as has the Volt, and range is limited, but the fact is I am driving electrically in 2009 and I’ve got nothing to complain about.
And by the way this is the 1000th post on GM-Volt.com, another milestone.
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Rumor: New Buick CUV to Get 2-Mode Plug-in Hybrid Drivetrain
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Since 2006, GM has been developing a front-wheel drive 2-mode plugin hybrid (PHEV) vehicle. The 2-mode plugin Saturn VUE was to be that car but bankruptcy and divestment of the Saturn brand has ended that plan.
GM’s contract negotiations with Penske could in theory enable that car to still be built and sourced, however that is highly unlikely.
Yet GM has said it still plans to put the plug-in 2-mode powertrain into a production vehicle but hasn’t said which one. Development work is ongoing.
Writers have speculated the new Chevrolet Equinox which gets 32 mpg highway using a direct injection 4 cylinder engine would be the likely host for the powertrain. Other speculation includes the new GMC Terrain or Cadillac SRX.
These ideas may be wrong.
GM-Volt.com has learned the new vehicle will be a Buick.
GM has designed a new small crossover (CUV) Buick which has yet to be named or unveiled. Footage of a clay model of the vehicle was leaked when CBS news filmed an interview with GM VP of Design Ed Welburn, and is shown above.
This new car shares the same platform the Saturn VUE uses and therefore is properly configured for the 2-mode hybrid and plug-in 2 mode hybrid drivetrain. The body design will be unique.
It is expected the car will make its appearance in 2011.
[UPDATE: GM has not officially confirmed this information, so should be taken as rumor at this point.]
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Argonne Study Suggests Chevy Volt Would Get 157 MPG
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Researchers at the Argonne National Lab studied four plug-in hybrid car configurations and determined the fuel economy they would get using real-world driving cycles.
The four configurations studied were a 4 kwh and 8 kwh PHEV and a 12 kwh and 16 kwh EREV.
The researchers modelled the cars’ fuel economy if they were driven over cycles taken from 100 actual Kansas city drivers in 2005, collected by the EPA.
The following results were obtained:
1. Split 4 kWh: 71.9 mpg US
2. Split 8 kWh: 101.4 mpg US
3. Series 12 kWh: 156.8 mpg US
4. Series 16 kWh: 191.2 mpg US
The study assumed the EREV would operate electrically from 30 to 90% state of charge (SOC), amounting to 7.2 kwh in the 12 kwh model, slightly less but closest to the Volt’s 8 kwh.
The split hybrids were assumed to operate as a fixed ratio power split between the gas engine and electric motor.
Not only do the results show that the Volt would get 157 mpg in real-world driving, but also shows that as battery pack size increases, efficiency improvements diminish.
“The larger the battery, the more fuel saved, however, what we also noticed was that the delta for consumption is not linear,” said lead investigator Aymeric Rousseau. “The fuel we save by going from 4 to 8 kWh is much greater than the fuel saved going from 12 to 16.”
Looking specifically at financial payback, the researchers concluded that at 9 cents/kwh electricity and $4.00/gallon gas, standard hybrids pay back their cost in 7 years, whereas PHEVs take from 7.5 to 12 years to recoup their additional cost. Payback time was decreased for drivers who drive more than 30 miles per day to a 6 to 8 year timeframe. Each additional $1 per gallon of gas reduced payback time by one year.
“Based on the assumptions considered, for the mid-term, the cost of PHEVs remains high, requiring further research and development for batteries and electric vehicles,” said Rousseau.
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