New Information On Shelby SuperCars' Green Technology

[rhodomel]

Spells the doom of Chevy Volt and even BYD's cars!!!


http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...21/378382.html

SSC Announces Green Technologies Revealing Revolutionary Battery and Electric Powertrain Technology

West Richland, WA January 21, 2009: Shelby SuperCars (SSC) released the details today of the revolutionary electric vehicle technology to be unveiled in the second quarter of this year. SSC will reveal its innovative all-electric powertrain in the current Ultimate Aero, the Guinness Certified "Fastest Production Car in the World," to create the Ultimate Aero EV and will reinforce the company as a benchmark in the auto industry. But unlike other auto manufacturers, SSC's new technology will set a new standard in the electric car industry - one of 10 minute recharges, super horsepower and ranges of up to 200 miles per charge.

While other auto manufacturers focus on producing Green technology for specific cars, SSC's focus is on producing Green technologies for a wide range of applications for an even wider range of vehicles. SSC's electric powertrain package, named AESP (All-Electric Scalable Powertrain) is unique due to its scalable horsepower, light weight, compact size, quick recharge time and liquid cooling.

SSC's Nanotechnology Rechargeable Lithium Battery pack is rechargeable in only 10 minutes on a standard 110 outlet and has a 150-200 mile range on a single charge. This means that in a typical 8 hour day, the car using this technology could go 200 miles, charge for 10 minutes (the time it typically takes to fill up a tank of gas), then drive 200 more miles, charge for 10 minutes and continue on. Some other EV technologies necessitate an overnight charge creating a class of "commuter electric cars" and are not practical alternatives to gas combustion automobiles.

The AESP's main feature is its scalability. The all-electric SUV or delivery truck is now a reality in the not-so-distant future. The AESP is scalable from 200 horsepower for economy and midsize cars, to 500 horsepower for light trucks and SUVs, and up to 1200 horsepower for delivery trucks, heavy duty equipment, buses and military vehicles. The revolutionary design proves electric-powered vehicles not only match, but also provide more linear power (electric motors have 100% torque at 0 RPM) and overall performance than internal combustion vehicles.


All-electric. No gasoline.

Light weight. Just a fraction of the weight of a standard combustion
engine (<200lbs.)

Extended performance. Internal cooling systems are built into the
motors.

Compact size. 1/18 the space of a standard engine; significant increase
in cargo room.

Scalable horsepower. From 200 horsepower (one motor) to 1200 horsepower
(two motors "piggy backed").

Quick recharges. Only 10 minutes on standard 110 outlet.

The current AESP was designed to meet the manufacturing and quality requirements of major automotive manufacturers, transportation operators and the military. SSC will wholesale the AESP to mass production car companies, governments, and to public, private, and niche businesses. Costs for mass-produced units are $5K-$6K per unit for 1000 to 10,000 units (with further reduction in unit cost for increased production.)

SSC's next milestone will be the pursuit of the "World's Fastest Electric Car" with the Ultimate Aero EV later this year.

[rhodomel]

If it is too good to be true.... I can smell some snake oil nearby. Anyone can confirm this as myth to be busted or confirmed?

[omnimoeish]

http://www.shelbysupercars.com/news-071208.php

Here's their official post about it from their website.

Shelby isn't know to sell snake oil but the company is only 10 years old, so they don't have that much track record to look at, and thanks to this EV thing, they have bagged some extra financing cash from Sheffield International Finance Corporation. Although in a way that is kind of giving their claims a little more credence in my mind, now that someone else who has almost certainly gotten a good look at what they're working on and believes in it enough to invest in it.

They've got my attention.

They are claiming to have their first prototype available in just a few weeks. Hopefully we will soon find out (I'll be ticked if they push it back a few months or something).

How in the world do they plan on charging up at battery in 10 minutes off a 110V outlet and having 200 miles AER?

[Altazi]

To me, a "standard 110V" outlet is the typical 120VAC 15A receptacle in most of our homes. There are some that are rated at 20A for appliances, but let's stick with what I call "standard". 120VAC x 15A = 1800W, or 1.8kW. In the 10 minute specified recharge time, the standard receptacle can deliver a whopping 300Wh or 0.3kWh. If you can drive 200 miles on this charge, that would mean the car is using 1.5Wh/mile. Powering the damned radio would take more than that.

Let's be generous and use another standard household receptacle, the 240VAC/50A monster reserved for things like electric clothes dryers. Now you have 12kW of power available. Even so, in 10 minutes you can still deliver only 2kWh. For that 200 mile range, this would mean the car is using 10Wh/mile.

I recall the Volt is supposed to use something like 200Wh/mile. Something isn't adding up here . . .

[RobertSullivan]

From that press relase: "The drive train under development will feature a revolutionary power source allowing for extended time between charging intervals with the possibility of several years between charging."

Unless they have a fission reactor under the hood I can't imagine this is possible.

[misslexi]

Perhaps, like my electric bike, it has pedals inside

Seriously though my bike with the motor, battery and myself tips the scale at around 275lbs. Here are the results from sample full charge to discharge cycle:

Total AH: 15.6
Total distance: 52.32 miles / 84.2 km
Total Watt-hours: 552.29
Watt-hours / mile: 10.50
Minimum current: -1.79 amps
Maximum current: 48.04 amps
Minimum voltage: 22 volts
Maximum speed: 40.2 mph
Average speed: 16.0 mph
Total run time: 3 hours 15 minutes 52 seconds

I know it's not fair to compare a bicycle to a car but, I'm having hard time seeing how the car could consume only 10 watt-hours/mile (one of Altazi's calculations), presumably moving more mass and at greater speed.

[DaV8or]

Originally Posted by omnimoeish

How in the world do they plan on charging up at battery in 10 minutes off a 110V outlet and having 200 miles AER?

They can't, it's a lie. Unless they are using super extra magic sauce. Kilowatts are a measure of energy. EV batteries are rated in kilowatts to represent energy storage capacity. A simple, unalterable and undeniable formula; Volts x Amps = Watts. So 110v x 20 (the highest amperage found in a typical home) = 2.2 Kilowatts. To "fill" a 22kwh battery, one that might get them sort of closer to 200hp for 200 miles, would take no less than 10 hours. Why? Because that's all the power your "standard" house can supply!

Don't believe this crap. They are sullying the good name of Carroll Shelby with this swindle. They should be ashamed.

[FrayAdjacent]

Originally Posted by Altazi

To me, a "standard 110V" outlet is the typical 120VAC 15A receptacle in most of our homes. There are some that are rated at 20A for appliances, but let's stick with what I call "standard". 120VAC x 15A = 1800W, or 1.8kW. In the 10 minute specified recharge time, the standard receptacle can deliver a whopping 300Wh or 0.3kWh. If you can drive 200 miles on this charge, that would mean the car is using 1.5Wh/mile. Powering the damned radio would take more than that.

Let's be generous and use another standard household receptacle, the 240VAC/50A monster reserved for things like electric clothes dryers. Now you have 12kW of power available. Even so, in 10 minutes you can still deliver only 2kWh. For that 200 mile range, this would mean the car is using 10Wh/mile.

I recall the Volt is supposed to use something like 200Wh/mile. Something isn't adding up here . . .

This.

When I saw the line about 10 minute recharge from 110v power, I knew I smelled something foul.

200 miles on a 10 minute charge from 110v outlets? UNPOSSIBLE.

[misslexi]

One more thing that I find bothersome: the original link takes me to "The Auto Channel, The Largest Automotive Information Resource" (their words). I understand Caveat Emptor, "Let the buyer beware" but surely they have even a modicum of duty to question what seems to be a fantasy news release? I guess reporting has been reduced to parroting

[LampCord]

I don't see the problem. You just need your standard 110 volt / 4,000 amp outlet. Doesn't everyone have one of those?

Seriously though, I'm hoping this was merely a typo and what the MEANT was, you can charge it on a 110 volt outlet OR quick charge it in 10 minutes at a dedicated charging station. That COULD possibly make sense as we've seen similar claims for some other battery technologies.

That's what I'm hoping. Because the rest of it, $5k-$6k per unit. Mass producing for auto industry. I'm hoping that's all true. But then, I'm an optimist...