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    Default BMW Suffers Big Setback Against Tesla in California

    I guess they can only carpool with the Volts

    http://www.thestreet.com/story/12221...alifornia.html

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    Are there really people cross-shopping the i3 with the Tesla Model S?
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    Almost looks like Californias carpool decision will benefit Calfornia Based Tesla.


    Weird.

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    Given that the i3's range extender option is so expensive while offering such limited capability and while adding some negatives (less storage space, removal of heat pump, less ideal weight distribution), I don't agree with this article's assumption that most buyers would want the range extender.
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    The idea with 100 miles + range extender caught my attention. But when range extender details were out it quickly went away. Too small tank, under powered extender and not able to run it until battery is empty were the reasons I'm not impressed. It was made for california, and now it's "design purpose" was removed. All that remains is the EV version.
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    Solution: cancel your BMW i3 REx order and buy a Volt NOW, while green stickers are still available.

    Side-effect: there may be some real deals on i3' s in CA soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KNI View Post
    The idea with 100 miles + range extender caught my attention. But when range extender details were out it quickly went away. Too small tank, under powered extender and not able to run it until battery is empty were the reasons I'm not impressed. It was made for california, and now it's "design purpose" was removed. All that remains is the EV version.
    I also recall reading a report that on the highway they only got about 50 miles from the range extender. I can't wait to see the EPA numbers on this ridiculous version of a REX EV.

    I'm glad CA removed this dumb loophole. It was starting to create a very silly class of automobile. But why are they limiting green stickers to 40K total? It's either a good idea, or it isn't. It's not like they're giving money away with stickers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by volt11 View Post
    I also recall reading a report that on the highway they only got about 50 miles from the range extender. I can't wait to see the EPA numbers on this ridiculous version of a REX EV.

    I'm glad CA removed this dumb loophole. It was starting to create a very silly class of automobile. But why are they limiting green stickers to 40K total? It's either a good idea, or it isn't. It's not like they're giving money away with stickers.
    There are very few owner reports on the i3 (a handful on one of the i3 forums), but the initial impression (and I hate to even call it that given the limited data) is that range is coming up a bit light especially when the cold or freeway speeds are factored in. In theory it should be more than double my Volt's if they use the full battery pack (especially given the huge weight difference), but we'll see. I would not be surprised to see the official range rated at 80 and winter drivers reporting figures in the 50s and 60s. If that is the case, I guarantee the only way I would consider the i3 is with the rEX - I would just view it as being like a high performance Leaf with a great in town backup plan.

    On the one hand, I too will be glad if this stupid rule is abolished (Heck, it practically smacked of an insider deal with BMW), but it does seem unfair if the rule was one thing and got changed to something else after-the-fact.

    Ironically, I think it was The Street that reported on this whole loop hole originally (declaring how BMW had it made).

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    I'm so glad I didn't wait for the i3 and simply gotten a Volt...

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    Wow. BMW built this car based on their agreement with CARB about this loophole. I wonder if they have grounds for a suit?

    I also wonder if they have time for a little re-engineering... With a 10 gallon gas tank and programming that embraced Hold mode and a large operational buffer, this car could still be a viable Volt competitor.
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