ELECTRICITY RATES: HIGHWAY ROBBERY? WHAT DO YOU THINK?

[Frank F]

Southern California Edison (SCE) has a tiered system. Before I got my Volt, I normally stayed within the first 2 tiers, occasionally getting into tier 3, about 375 KWh per month. My typical electricity bill would be $45-$55 per month.

Example: April, 2011, the month before I got my Volt:
Total bill=$51.46, divided by 377 KWh used = $0.1365/KWh.

AFTER I got my Volt:

Example: August, 2011, last month.
Total bill = $94.95, divided by 576 KWh used = $0.1648/KWh.

If I drove the volt more, maybe using 10 KWh per day to charge, I could get into tier 4 @ 736 KWh per month. The bill would then be:
Total bill = $136.76, divided by 736 KWh used = $0.1868/KWh.

Tiered rates, plus some taxes and other stuff:

Tier 1 0.124566 (baseline) summer, 294 KWh, winter, 307 KWh
Tier 2 0.147576 (101%-130% of baseline)
Tier 3 0.229246 (131%-200% of baseline)
Tier 4 0.264246 (201%-300% of baseline)
Tier 5 0.299246 (over 300% of baseline)

SCE also offers:

1. Time of Use, but with a summer on-peak rate of $.53/KWh, and since I work at home and must use some KWh at on-peak rate, it's just not practical.

2. Separate meter @ $0.12/KWh from 9:00 PM to noon, but I live in a condo with the meter box 2 units away, I would be outrageously expensive to run the wiring to the second meter, even if the permits could be obtained.

[Mathew Hennessy]

I was averaging 10.9 cents per KWh during summer and 8.6 cents per KWH this last bill (Oct-Nov), in Austin TX.

If myvolt.com actually had their g-ddamn site working I'd be able to break down cost-per-mile even better, but at my gross lifetime average of 390W/h per mile, that puts me between 3-4.5 cents per mile.

And Austin Energy currently offers unlimited public ChargePoint access for $25/6 months, which I use to charge up at my garage downtown.

[LGA]

I'm using the PG&E (Northern California) E9A rate (Time-of-Use, single meter). It has Peak (summer only), Part-Peak, and Off-Peak times of day, and 5 total usage tiers. I routinely hit Tier 5 in the Summer, and Tier 4 in Winter. Bottom line, my summer overall average cost is $.2442/kWh, and $.1608/kWh in Winter. For the Volt, which is exclusively charged in Off-Peak times, average cost is $.1442 in Summer, and $.1087 in Winter.
I will be adding solar during an upcoming remodel, to get me into Tiers 1 and 2 most of the time.

Volt #579

[DJWilson2]

Here in San Diego we have a special rate from SDG&E called EV-TOU-2:

RATES

Minimum Bill ($/day) 0.170

Energy Charges ($/kWh)

Description – EV-TOU-2 Transm Distr PPP ND CTC RS UDC Total
On-Peak – Summer 0.02072 0.07971 0.00622 0.00040 0.00248 0.00108 0.11061
Off-Peak – Summer 0.02072 0.07971 0.00622 0.00040 0.00043 0.00108 0.10856
Super Off-Peak – Summer 0.02072 0.07971 0.00622 0.00040 0.00018 0.00108 0.10831
On-Peak – Winter 0.02072 0.0797 0.00622 0.00040 0.00073 0.00108 0.10886
Off-Peak – Winter 0.02072 0.07971 0.00622 0.00040 0.00043 0.00108 0.10856
Super Off-Peak - Winter 0.02072 0.07971 0.00622 0.00040 0.00018 0.00108 0.10831

There is a surcharge but that is only if you live in the city.. which I don't.

Edit : No sales tax charged on bill.

EV-TOU-2 does not require a 2nd meter so this rate applies to all electricity in the household.

Edit: Oh well... so much for formatting. The bold is the final cost which is the most important.

[artsci]

Here are the all-inclusive "Total Supply Rates" for Baltimore Gas and Electric (BGE) in Maryland, my supplier:

June 1 - Sept. 30, 2011 On-Peak 13.757
June 1 - Sept. 30, 2011 Inter.-Peak 8.866
June 1 - Sept. 30, 2011 Off-Peak 7.670
Oct. 1, 2011 - May 31, 2012 On-Peak 10.458
Oct. 1, 2011 - May 31, 2012 Inter-Peak 8.897
Oct. 1, 2011 - May 31, 201 Off-Peak 8.028

[solar_dave]

If you really want to get crazy confused look at the link for the APS rate table possibilities:

http://www.aps.com/main/services/res....html#standard

Multiple rates plans abound. I don't know how some average Joe would pick one of those without some major thought. Personally I am on the FROZEN 9PM to 9AM Time Advantage

Time Advantage 9 p.m. - 9 a.m. (FROZEN) 	 
Winter (November - April billing cycles)                                        Cents per kWh
On-peak kWh used (Mon. - Fri., 9 a.m.  - 9 p.m.)                                $0.14515
Off-peak kWh used (Mon. - Fri. 9 p.m. - 9 a.m., and all day Sat. & Sun.)        $0.05565
  	 
Summer ( May - October billing cycles)                                          Cents per kWh
On-peak kWh used (Mon. - Fri., 9 a.m.  - 9 p.m.)                                $0.17866
Off-peak kWh used (Mon. - Fri. 9 p.m. - 9 a.m., and all day Sat. & Sun.)        $0.05774

[stuart]

my apologies for the tremendous delay in posting this. Several months ago i was approached by my NYS assemblywoman and asked to provide her some information about electricity rates and the experience of EV early adoptors. For whatever reason, I dont believe that my information ever made it to the forum. So here goes:


After polling the user community on the Chevy Volt User Forum, I have been able to put together information regarding electricity rates in 13 states. The number is limited because, in its first year of sales, distribution was limited. Only now has the Volt been made available in all 50 states. I do, however feel that you can get a very good picture from my data.

People are paying as little as $.028 per kwh in california to $.306 per kwh in Scarsdale NY. (less than 3cents per kwh to more than 30cents per kwh.) That’s means I am paying nearly FIFTEEN TIMES AS MUCH to recharge my Volt as an owner in Californina.

These numbers are coming from states like Arizona, California, Colorado and North Carolina. They offer Time Of Use billing, dedicated electric meters etc. Even LIPA, here on Long Island, has a TOU plan with a rate of$.145 per kwh. However, to take advantage of that rate, you must be able to avoid using power during peak periods, otherwise, your rate will rival the almost 31cents per kwh that I pay to Con Ed. Con Ed offers a TOU plan, but because of the extremely high summer rates, a prudent user would need to drop out before summer billing starts in May and get back in after the summer; i.e. in September. Con Ed says that if you drop out, you can’t get back in for 18 months…effectively nullifying the value and the opportunity.

Arizona rates range from $.056 to $.0179 per KWH.
California rates range from $.028 to $.294 per KWH.
Colorado rates range from $.049 to $.198 per KWH
Florida rates $.10 per KWH (small sample.)
Illinois rates range from $.104 to $.124 per KWH
Massachusetts offers TOU billing with a reported rate or $.145 per KWH.
NC rates range from $.046 to $.285 per KWH
NY rates: Con Edison $.306 per KWH, LIPA $.145 T-O-U
PA rates from $.129 to $.176 per KWH
TX rates rate $.108 per KWH. Texas offers a $500 State Tax credit
Washington State rate ranges from $.098 to $.103 per KWH
Wisconsin rates $.087 per KWH.

Assuming that we are recharging a Volt from battery depleted to fully charged, and that it take 10 hours to re-charge, the costs would be from $.28 to $3.10 per charge.

Initiatives vary from state to state regarding the rollout of an EV infrastructure. I would suggest that you look at http://www.pluginamerica.org/incentives#state. It will give you a state by state look at whats being done. Eleven states offer tax incentives to purchasers of Electric Vehicles. These incentives range from $500 in Montana to $7500 in West Virginia. New York is doing NOTHING ! and offering NOTHING. WHY? This is unacceptable.

By way of contrast, Massachusetts is installing 93 charges in public locations within 14 towns in addition to 49 chargers at Logan airport and MBTA commuter parking locations. For additional info about initiatives in Mass, look at http://www.mass.gov/?pageID=eoeeapre...rge&csid=Eoeea.

Finally, just for you information purposes, be aware that even when my Volt costs $3.00 per recharge, it is still signicantly less than the corresponding cost of gasoline. 35miles for $3.00 translates to $.085 per mile. Our 2008 Toyota Rav4, getting 22mpg cost $.17 per mile (based on $3.80per gallon of regular unleaded gas.) The question I would pose to Assemblywoman Paulin is why is it only a 2:1 cost advantage when so many of these other places I have sampled have ratios of 6 or 7 or even 8:1.

I look forward to hearing more from you on this subject. We need to get New York out of the Dark Ages!

Stuart B2209

[bizmodel]

I am with PG&E. My off peak EV rate is $.05 first tier, and $.16 second tier. I am surprised that "Dig We Must" is only $.30. We almost deplete the battery every day, and our monthly cost is around $25.

[DJWilson2]

Here are the all-inclusive "Total Supply Rates" for Baltimore Gas and Electric (BGE) in Maryland, my supplier:

June 1 - Sept. 30, 2011 On-Peak 13.757
June 1 - Sept. 30, 2011 Inter.-Peak 8.866
June 1 - Sept. 30, 2011 Off-Peak 7.670
Oct. 1, 2011 - May 31, 2012 On-Peak 10.458
Oct. 1, 2011 - May 31, 2012 Inter-Peak 8.897
Oct. 1, 2011 - May 31, 201 Off-Peak 8.028

Please say the decimal point is off on this or it is rated in cents not dollars...

Everyone else is posting .08 to .25; if you are really paying $8.02 / kwh off peak I do not want to move to Maryland...

[seni0rl0c0]

I'm with Frank in SCE territory. We are getting reamed. Both LADWP and SDG&E are much cheaper than SCE.