ELECTRICITY RATES: HIGHWAY ROBBERY? WHAT DO YOU THINK?

[stuart]

Originally Posted by joefoerster

"Yes LADWP has great rates. And, on top of the already reduced base Time-Of-Use rate, there is a discount for EV use. My effective base rate, between 8PM and 10AM weekdays and all weekend is 0.02155 from June to Sept and .028900 from Oct to May. With my 5 day work week, that is going to average about $6 for the whole month of commuting."


Please help me to compare MY cost of electricity to what others are posting on this forum. My Volt charged 217.34 Kwh for the 30 day period between 8/18 and 9/18. Con Edison, my local electricity extorter charges as follows: supply charges of $0.088 per kwh, plus delivery charges of $0.1098 per kwh, plus $0.0498 kwh (system benefits charge) plus $0.0467kwh new york temporary surcharge, plus 3% sales tax on all of this. So...best as i can figure my 217.34kwh cost me just about $66 or $0.3036/kwh.

Obviously, there are lots of municipalities and utilities who seem to be charging alot less, offering time of day billing, separate meters, fixed rate plans for EV's and more. Do the rates that you folks are taking about include the cost or the electricity, the delivery and all the other charges I listed. You are talking about an' effective base rate of 2.1cents and 2.89cents. If this is your base rate before all the add in costs, please tell me what your bottom line kwh cost is. If this is your bottom line cost, then the screwing that we here in NY are getting is completely insane.
a penny for your thoughts
STuart B2209

this was originally posted on another thread and it was suggested that I start a separate thread. so here goes...

[therfman]

I have the following rates from Hydro Ottawa:

Off-peak: 5.9c/kWh (7PM to 7AM)
Mid-peak: 8.9c/kWh (7AM to 11AM and 5PM to 7PM)
Peak: 10.7c/kWh (11AM to 5PM)

To those rates gets added 4.4c/kWh of regulatory and delivery fees, and a fixed charge of 10.14$/month regardless of usage.

For off-peak charging, I'm looking at 11.639c/kWh total rate.
Then add 13% sales tax to the whole thing.

[SharkVolt]

From PG&E E9B (second meter) type plan, I pay 0.04266 per kwh for OFF peak use, 0.08975 for Part peak use, and 0.2831 for ON peak use. That includes ALL fees, etc.

The rates for the rest of the house (first meter) are more like 0.12, 0.18, and 0.22.

So I save a lot by charging at night, but on peak charging costs me more.

[Steverino]

My rate in IL with ComEd is $0.1245 kwh including taxes and fees. When not being driven, my Volt is plugged in. Though I haven't made a detailed study, I do have a "Kill A Wattez" keeping track over a period of time. I'm in the $1.50/day ballpark.

[tboult]

MountView Electric (Colorado) Time of Day Use/ $.04957 for off peak (10:30-5:30am) and $.09914 for mid-peak (5:30-noon) Noon-4 is off-peak and 4-10:30 is peak ($.198) There is a $26 flat fee (which included all metering and deliver charges). We choose to add .02 for "green energy".
Tax is 6% I think

[scottf200]

My rate in IL with ComEd is $0.1245 kwh including taxes and fees. When not being driven, my Volt is plugged in. Though I haven't made a detailed study, I do have a "Kill A Wattez" keeping track over a period of time. I'm in the $1.50/day ballpark.

My IL ComEd fixed rate plan was $0.115/kWh over the past 24 months per my spreadsheet including taxes and fees. (i.e. Total_Bill/kWh)

My IL Comed hourly plan (thewattspot) is $0.0899/kWh over the past 6 months so a difference of $0.025 so for every 1000 kWh I save $25/month. My usage is over 1000 kWh/month so I'm saving over $25.

Based on some google gadgets for out IL ComEd the fees and taxes seem to add about $0.033 for each kWh. I've posted these a few times in the past.

At about midnight when I charge the cost per kWh is like $0.05 on the hourly plan (before on the fixed plan it was $0.115).

[stephen323]

[QUOTE=stuart;88179]Originally Posted by joefoerster

"Yes LADWP has great rates. And, on top of the already reduced base Time-Of-Use rate, there is a discount for EV use. My effective base rate, between 8PM and 10AM weekdays and all weekend is 0.02155 from June to Sept and .028900 from Oct to May. With my 5 day work week, that is going to average about $6 for the whole month of commuting."

I do not yet have a TOU meter with LADWP yet but I think the numbers are misleading. Yes the base rate is .02155 and .028900 but added to this amount is a few other charges, ECA (Energy Cost Adjustment) at .05690 kWh, ESA (Energy Subsidy Adjustment) at .00147 kWh, City Tax 4.5%, and finally $8 flat rate for the use of a TOU meter. Add it all up and that should be the effective rate per kWh. Although LADWP is notoriously inept at billing and maybe not even charging joefoerster the ECA or ESA.

Anyone else on LADWP TOU billing seeing different numbers? Let me know as I will hopefully have a TOU submeter in the next month or two, just have to pull a permit and trench 60' of my front yard..good times...

[rubley]

Everyone's rates seem high to me. In VA I'm paying $0.13/KWh - and that includes all the taxes and fees and an extra fee for the utility to buy my power from a wind farm, and I don't have any time-of-day discounts. The base rate is around $0.11/KWh. When I can sign up for a second meter for the car, the overnight base rate will drop to $0.044/KWh.

[bonaire]

I take my bill and divide by kWh. This includes a small "access charge" which is something like $8.

I compute I pay .177 per kWh summer and .165 during the winter.

Region: PECO, near Philadelphia. No TOU rates available but apparently Exelon, the parent company, and some state energy commission activity is trying to get their promised smart meters out to select customers. But I doubt we will see the beneficial TOU rates as some in California have.

[solar_dave]

These are my Generation rates but do include Transmission costs, Delivery Service Charges, power supply adjustments, Systems Benefits charges. What is interesting is last year at this time I called the utility and tried to get a description or calculation for each of these extra charges that are based on kWh in some way. The utility is more confusing than you can imagine. The large item, Delivery Service Charge is some amount that comes from your total kWh YTD, and it was explained to me that it is based on the total kWh both on peak and off peak so far that year. What is interesting to me is that I still have 1834 kWh in credit against my on peak usage. Hence the Volt gets Day time charging a lot.

Time Advantage 9 p.m. - 9 a.m. (FROZEN) 	 
Winter (November - April billing cycles)                                       Cents per kWh
On-peak kWh used (Mon. - Fri., 9 a.m.  - 9 p.m.)                                 $0.14515
Off-peak kWh used (Mon. - Fri. 9 p.m. - 9 a.m., and all day Sat. & Sun.)         $0.05565
  	 
Summer ( May - October billing cycles)                                         Cents per kWh
On-peak kWh used (Mon. - Fri., 9 a.m.  - 9 p.m.)                                 $0.17866
Off-peak kWh used (Mon. - Fri. 9 p.m. - 9 a.m., and all day Sat. & Sun.)         $0.05774

Fortunately I have nearly all my on peak power and some of my off peak power provided by my Solar Panel system. Since those weird charges are kWh based so they only nip my wallet in August. So far this year I have sent the utility about $109. At year end the utility credits my account $0.065 per kWh for the excess generation. This year it covered all my costs through July.

Here is an example of that bill section (The paste was less than successful for format):

Cost of net electricity
Basic service charge                               $6.90
Delivery service charge                              $47.34
Environmental benefits surcharge                    $8.65
Federal environmental improvement surcharge             $0.27
System benefits charge                                $3.56
Power supply adjustment*                             -$9.58
Metering*                                               $5.39
Meter reading*                                    $1.80
Billing*                                         $2.03
Generation of electricity on-peak*                    $0.00
Generation of electricity off-peak*                  $27.18
Federal transmission and ancillary services*      $8.80
Federal transmission cost adjustment*            $7.13
Cost of electricity you used                          $109.47

$27.18 in generated off peak cost me over $109.