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    Quote Originally Posted by ClarksonCote View Post
    I guess I'm in the minority, but I love my Level 2 Voltec. The LED light is great, and the equipment hasn't failed in 2.5 years of use.
    I've got two, both built by Lear. The first one failed after 13 months, and was rebuilt using OpenEVSE. The 2nd one (a credit card warranty replacement for the first one) is still working after 10 months with no issues.

    The biggest hassle with SPX was trying to get something out of them to prove the unit is not repairabile so I could get a replacement. They also lost my order when I ordered the first one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClarksonCote View Post
    I guess I'm in the minority, but I love my Level 2 Voltec. The LED light is great, and the equipment hasn't failed in 2.5 years of use.
    Yeah, me too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtndrew1 View Post
    Maybe not as the Voltec POS was a 15A EVSE and this is 16/30A device. Perhaps this is actually a high-quality device at a very digestible price (it rhymes!).

    But to mirror others here I went with another manufacturer (Leviton) for my EVSE after reading the SPX horror stories.
    Here's the thing about Bosch and SPX/Lear: why would Bosch acquire SPX if they didn't intend on using something of SPX's assets? What would be the point?

    What was it of value in SPX that Bosch wanted, and how was it incorporated into any Bosch EVSE? Despite Bosch's good reputation, I would be 'leery' (sorry for the pun) of any inexpensive EVSE associated with SPX/Lear in any way.
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    Pretty safe to say that the new Bosch Power Max line of Level 2 chargers is not the same old re-skinned Voltec.
    They are offering 3 models with the 16amp 12' cord version starting at $449, the other two are 30amp units with 18 and 25' cords respectively and priced at $593 and $749.

    Obviously Bosch is diving into the production end of a market that they already play an enormous role in, I doubt that reliability will be an issue, if it is the units are all covered by a 3 Year Warranty.

    I would opt for Power Max unit before I would shell out the extra dough for the GE or any other of the near and above $1k units, but the LCS-25 unit is tough to beat for the price, portability and reliability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rudiger View Post
    Here's the thing about Bosch and SPX/Lear: why would Bosch acquire SPX if they didn't intend on using something of SPX's assets? What would be the point?

    What was it of value in SPX that Bosch wanted, and how was it incorporated into any Bosch EVSE? Despite Bosch's good reputation, I would be 'leery' (sorry for the pun) of any inexpensive EVSE associated with SPX/Lear in any way.
    Bosch completes acquisition of SPX Corporation's Service Solutions business

    Submitted by Meghan on Tue, 12/04/2012 - 08:24

    KARLSRUHE, Germany and CANTON, Mich., Dec. 4, 2012--Following approval by the antitrust authorities, Bosch has completed its acquisition of the Service Solutions business of SPX Corporation. The agreement to purchase the U.S. automotive diagnostics specialist was signed in January this year. The Service Solutions business develops, manufactures, and sells service equipment, repair-shop accessories, and software for the global automotive market. Based in Canton, MI (USA), the Service Solutions business generated sales of some 920 million dollars (some 660 million euros) in 2011. The company employs some 2,800 associates in 17 countries, and has manufacturing sites in the U.S., Germany, France, and China. The purchase price is approximately 1.15 billion dollars (some 885 million euros).

    "In acquiring the Service Solutions business, we will become a comprehensive supplier of solutions in the diagnostics and repair business. In expanding our portfolio and extending our global presence, especially in the U.S., we are strengthening our position," said Robert Hanser, the president of the Bosch Automotive Aftermarket division. "We will quickly merge our know-how and wealth of experience in this growing market. Our aim is to become the world's leading supplier of diagnostics solutions for all makes of vehicles."

    Network of core competencies for a growing market
    With automotive electronics becoming increasingly complex, the market for diagnostics solutions has a great deal of potential for growth. Up to now, Bosch has served this market with products and services for diagnosing, servicing, and repairing passenger cars and commercial vehicles, with brand-independent workshops as its main customers. The portfolio of the Service Solutions business comprises engineering services for automakers, as well as accessories and services for workshops that are contractually bound to individual automakers. Combining these complementary areas of competence will provide Bosch with a wider range of customers and a broader portfolio, and open up new market opportunities, especially in Asia Pacific and European regions.

    Areas to be merged in the new "Automotive Service Solutions" business unit
    The business activities of the Service Solutions business will be integrated into the Bosch Automotive Aftermarket division, a leading supplier of aftermarket-specific products and services which generated sales of some 4.3 billion euros in 2011. As part of an integration project, the new "Automotive Service Solutions" business unit will be set up. The former Diagnostics business unit will also become part of this new business unit. All in all, these two business units generated sales of roughly one billion euros in 2011. Tanvir Arfi, who was president of the Service Solutions business for many years, will be in charge of Automotive Service Solutions and its 4,200 associates. The unit's world headquarters will be in Canton, MI (USA). The European operations of Automotive Service Solutions will be managed from the Plochingen location in Germany.

    The Automotive Aftermarket division (AA) provides the aftermarket and repair shops worldwide with a complete range of diagnostic and repair shop equipment and a wide range of spare parts from new and exchange parts to repair solutions for passenger cars and commercial vehicles. Its product portfolio includes products made as Bosch original equipment, as well as aftermarket products and services developed and manufactured in-house. More than 11,000 associates in 140 countries, as well as a global logistics network, ensure that some 450,000 different spare parts reach customers quickly and on time. In its "Diagnostics" operations, AA supplies testing and repair-shop technology, diagnostic software, service training, and information services. In addition, the division is responsible for the "Bosch Service" repair-shop franchise, one of the world's largest independent chains of repair-shops, with some 15,000 franchises. In addition, AA is respon*sible for more than 500 "AutoCrew" partners.

    Additional information can be accessed at www.bosch-automotive.com.

    The Bosch Group is a leading global supplier of technology and services. In the areas of automotive and industrial technology, consumer goods, and building technology, more than 300,000 associates generated sales of 51.5 billion euros ($71.7 billion) in fiscal year 2011. The Bosch Group comprises Robert Bosch GmbH and its roughly 350 subsidiaries and regional companies in some 60 countries. If its sales and service partners are included, then Bosch is represented in roughly 150 countries. This worldwide development, manufacturing, and sales network is the foundation for further growth. Bosch spent some 4.2 billion euros ($5.8 billion) for research and development in 2011, and applied for over 4,100 patents worldwide. With all its products and services, Bosch enhances the quality of life by providing solutions which are both innovative and beneficial.

    Further information is available online at www.bosch.com and www.bosch-press.com

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    Just an hour ago I got an email from Bosch that read:

    "Dear Chevrolet Volt Driver,

    Congratulations on the purchase of your electric vehicle! Bosch Automotive Service Solutions is General Motors' preferred provider of charging solutions for the Chevrolet Volt. A Vehicle Charging Advisor (VCA) can help you understand your charging options..."

    Their pricing (on the equipment at least) sounds pretty good, but from reading the comments on this thread, I think I'll pass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rudiger View Post
    Here's the thing about Bosch and SPX/Lear: why would Bosch acquire SPX if they didn't intend on using something of SPX's assets? What would be the point?

    What was it of value in SPX that Bosch wanted, and how was it incorporated into any Bosch EVSE? Despite Bosch's good reputation, I would be 'leery' (sorry for the pun) of any inexpensive EVSE associated with SPX/Lear in any way.
    The key thing to watch is the warranty, you shouldn't have to pay for their exorbitant installation costs to get anything more than a basic one year warranty. So will BOSCH stand behind their product?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BAZINGA View Post
    The key thing to watch is the warranty, you shouldn't have to pay for their exorbitant installation costs to get anything more than a basic one year warranty. So will BOSCH stand behind their product?
    Their website still shows it needing to be installed by their "qualified personnel" to be eligible for the three year warranty. Leviton offers a 3 year warranty no questions asked.

    Still this looks to me like it has the potential to be decent hardware at a very nice price. Low cost EVSEs are a major component of future EV adoption, IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtndrew1 View Post
    Their website still shows it needing to be installed by their "qualified personnel" to be eligible for the three year warranty. Leviton offers a 3 year warranty no questions asked.

    Still this looks to me like it has the potential to be decent hardware at a very nice price. Low cost EVSEs are a major component of future EV adoption, IMHO.

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    last week , a technician came to the house to update the software on my Blink EVSE .


    Not sure if it's true , but he told me the SPX program no longer requires them to provide the installation . I really don't need an extra two years of warranty if their installers are going to gouge me for an extra $1,000 to obtain it .
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    I've said it once and I'll say it again, L2 chargers are way overpriced. we're not talking new technology folks. This is nothing more than price gouging us EV owners. I won't budge until the price drops to the low 200's if not under 200.

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