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    I am about to pull the trigger on a EV. Love the Gen 1 looks over the bland Gen 2 but I understand the Gen 2 is the better car. Also looking at Prius Prime . Decisions Decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddycurrent View Post
    I am about to pull the trigger on a EV. Love the Gen 1 looks over the bland Gen 2 but I understand the Gen 2 is the better car. Also looking at Prius Prime . Decisions Decisions.
    The Prime has some pretty impressive driver assistance features standard on all trims, including adaptive cruise and limited lane keeping. It still isn't a great EV, with limited EV power and range (though both are much better than the first generation.) That rear window and spoiler take some getting used to I suspect...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddycurrent View Post
    I am about to pull the trigger on a EV. Love the Gen 1 looks over the bland Gen 2 but I understand the Gen 2 is the better car. Also looking at Prius Prime . Decisions Decisions.
    Get in a Prime, mash the go-pedal. Get in G2 Volt. Mash go-pedal.

    That difference in power is 'free'. Well, anti-free if your electricity is cheap. The Volt gets better economy while producing a lot more thrust.

    In other words, unlike other situations, the more powerful car is also 'greener'. Prius = small gas engine, smaller electric motor. Volt = medium electric motor, small gas engine. The Volt is quicker running on pure battery and quicker running on gasoline, and together gets better economy and emits less emissions.

    The sad part is, that per MFR claims, the Prime SHOULD be quicker and greener than the Volt. But it simply isn't, or is the difference subtle. The Prius is to Look Green, the Volt is to enjoy driving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by srmarti View Post
    But you LIKE the i3? Well I guess they're ok if not the two-tone variety. That to me just enhances the ugly. Heck whatever's most important to you.
    Yeah it's strange. I think the i3 looks weird, but it's come to grow on me as GOOD weird. The Bolt just looks like a typical boardroom design-by-commitee car. The i3 looks like it was some designer's true vision. It's the thin tires that I still dislike the most though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddycurrent View Post
    I am about to pull the trigger on a EV. Love the Gen 1 looks over the bland Gen 2 but I understand the Gen 2 is the better car. Also looking at Prius Prime . Decisions Decisions.
    Glad to hear I'm not the only one who things Gen2 design is a lot more bland than Gen1. I like the interior of gen2 better, but the exterior is rather boring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacardi View Post
    If you want a fun and fit girl in L.A., most tend to have some materialistic qualities and while might not be after you for your money, they have the expectation that their man is able to provide for them...
    Aint that the truth. I see you've spent some time in L.A. hahaha

    Teslas are the only EVs to come out so far that impress the hot girls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slipnslider View Post
    Glad to hear I'm not the only one who things Gen2 design is a lot more bland than Gen1. I like the interior of gen2 better, but the exterior is rather boring.
    The Gen1's are great, but be aware that there are some pretty significant differences to the Gen2 upgrade.

    The car is both lighter and more powerful, and will legally seat 5, up from 4.
    Suggested fuel is now regular (G1 Premium), the gas engine is direct injection 12.5:1 compression with 75kW (up from 62kW) and much quieter and smoother operation.
    The battery is larger, bumped to 18.4kWh and is EPA rated at 53 miles of all electric range.
    Undocumented bump in electric motor power to 120kW up from 111kW.
    Carplay, Android Auto, and 2017 has optional radar and vision based adaptive cruise with automatic emergency braking.

    Etc, etc. The Gen2 shares virtually no parts with the Gen1. They re-engineered the entire car.
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    The BMW I8 would probably impress them more than the Teslas
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    Quote Originally Posted by slipnslider View Post
    Greetings from Los Angeles!

    I'm tired of giving my money to the oil companies. They are singlehandedly endangering the human race, they've been lying to us for years, filling our government with their puppets, and polluting our world so they they can enrich themselves. I want to vote against them with my dollars.

    I've always been a big tesla fan, and have been eagerly awaiting the Model 3, for which I've put down a $1000 deposit and have a good spot in the reservation line.

    But as the release date approaches, I have a few questions in my mind.
    One is the tax credits - will they still be available?
    Another is tesla build quality. I've heard a lot of horror stories.
    I'm also not crazy about the M3's interior. No driver instrument cluster? That giant computer monitor? I want a high tech car, but I don't see why that means I have to have a giant screen in my face when I drive.
    Also I think they tesla supercharger network will be overwhelmed by the coming wave of teslas, meaning those long distance trips you imagine won't be possible in reality.
    I've also never bought a new car. I prefer to let someone else take the depreciation and buy it when its 2-3 years used. I'm unsure what the depreciation on the M3s will be, and I'm wondering if I'd be smarter waiting a couple years and then grabbing a used one.

    So my alternate options are a used 2014-15 volt or a used BMW i3.
    Both of these have depreciated rapidly and are much more affordable for me. In fact I could get one of each for the price of a new tesla M3.
    I test drove the i3 and loved it, as well as the interior design. I hated the exterior at first, but I've come to kind of like it.
    As for the volt, I like the old gen1 design much more than the new design, which is far more bland to me. Gen2 Looks like a an old person car or rental fleet car to me.
    I haven't test driven one yet, but I'm not expecting it to be as fun as the i3, but I know it would be much more useful, without the i3's long distance limitations, and still allow me to commute to work without using any gas.

    The other consideration is my fiance HATES the way the i3 looks. Doesn't care for the volt either, but doesn't think it's as bad as the i3. Obviously she'd rather be escorted around in a new tesla. Women and their competitive consumerism

    So I'm just here to learn more and help me make my decision by the time the Tesla M3 comes out.
    We have both an i3 and Volt now. Both 2017's and both with range extenders.

    My wife didn't like the i3's looks either at first. Now it's grown on her. She also really likes the Volt's looks and thinks it's quiet and comfortable.

    The i3 is definitely far sportier in feel to me. It feels nimbler, quicker in reaction, and lighter on its feet. Mostly because it is. It's some 600 lbs lighter than the Volt at least.

    You also sit up taller and have a far better view out the windows than you do with the Volt. So it feels more airy and open than the Volt does.

    I personally am not a big fan of how the Volt feels or drives. It's smooth, competent, and quick. But it doesn't feel nimble, is a bare to park for me (you will most definitely get rim rash and dings and dents with this car at the extremities), charges slower, carries more dead-weight around, and has a smaller tighter feeling cabin than the i3.

    On the other hand, the i3 has its own quirks. The infotainment system is incredibly bad compared to the Volt's. Truly truly bad interface IMO. The inability to reduce strong regen can be tiring at times but helpful in stop and go traffic. The suicide doors are novel but get a bit old after a while...but they match this car well.

    Obviously you can go a lot further overall with the Volt. But for 2017, the i3 can do 114 miles EPA rated electric range. We are getting around 130 per charge. However, I'm getting about 75 miles per charge with my Volt. But it charges agonizingly slowly....pitiful actually in this day and age.

    The reliability of the i3 is fine. I know there have been a couple of recalls and an issue with the REX model. But BMW takes care of these things quickly and offers good service to its customers provided you find a good dealer. Chevy dealers on the other hand are a real crap shoot.

    Has your fiancé driven the i3? It's a really really fun car to drive.

    BTW, what's your budget? Would you be willing to lease a new car and just get the State credit? I got a very good deal on our i3...actually considering the sticker price and the fact that no other BMW dealer was able or willing to even come close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SharkVolt View Post
    The BMW I8 would probably impress them more than the Teslas
    Until she tries to get in and out of one....then they'll be ROFLAO. You need to be a freaking gymnast to do it gracefully.

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