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    Haven't looked for a week and am amazed by the misinformation and venom my opening post has let fly. Symptomatic of what our nation has become. The center has been hollowed out and we are left only with extremes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Jon View Post
    It is a shame that you are so angry.

    For the record, I am a fiscally-conservative(true meaning of the word, not the politically co-opted one) libertarian who has voted for both Republicans and Democrats (usually whoever I think will do the least damage).

    Compassion, perspective, and humility are also good concepts.

    I ain't perfect and I don't know everything. I wonder if you would ever admit the same about yourself (and mean it).

    Your "truth" could use some more reliable and unbiased sources.

    Truth won't make me go away, but irrational ranting will.
    I'm with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JStrnad View Post
    Uhm, that billboard? Virtually everything it says is wrong.

    Undocumented residents of California do not get free housing. They do not get free food, free medical, free hospital. They do buy insurance and they pay taxes for which they will never receive benefits.

    They work jobs that pay so little, employers can't get legal residents to take them.

    They also commit LESS crime than legal residents.
    Says you, with nothing to support your statement. They are illegal. You can call them undocumented, but they entered illegally, which makes them criminals. If you can't admit that, it would explain why you made up everything else you posted. Illegals walk into hospitals and get free treatment. They give birth in U.S. hospitals and do not pay the hospital for services. The ones who work for cash, do not pay taxes, yet they do receive benefits like being able to drive on our roads and call 911 for police services. They do receive food and assistance for shelter. If they did not receive all of these things, they would not line up to cross the border. They know that if they come, people like you will welcome them and states like California will protect them from deportation. They commit more crimes than citizens of the U.S. A lot more crimes. Some very violent crimes. People who say otherwise are using statistics that ignore these truths and leave out information that alters what is true to what they want to tell others. You probably know that and are so in favor of illegal immigration, you refuse to be honest about it. You live in Los Angeles, so you would have to be blind not to see the impact of illegal immigration. Your schools are filled with young students who cannot speak English and force teachers to waste valuable time working with those students separately. You could easily make a phone call to a hospital administrator who would confirm the costs they incur treating illegal immigrants each day, who walk into their hospital, get treatment, and walk out without paying. It is not a secret. Feel free to drive over to Arizona and pick up all the illegal immigrants you can and take them to Los Angeles with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JStrnad View Post
    Uhm, that billboard? Virtually everything it says is wrong.

    Undocumented residents of California do not get free housing. They do not get free food, free medical, free hospital. They do buy insurance and they pay taxes for which they will never receive benefits.

    They work jobs that pay so little, employers can't get legal residents to take them.

    They also commit LESS crime than legal residents.
    I already mentioned that almost every claim you made was wrong. But yesterday, something happened back east that you are probably aware of and will probably ignore in the same way the left-wing news you watch totally ignores.

    A Washington D.C. suburban High School, Rockville High School, was the scene of a violent sexual assault, where a 14-year-old ninth grade girl was pushed into a boys restroom by and then forced into a bath stall where she was raped and sodomized by two ninth grade boys, 18-year-old illegal immigrant, Henry Sanchez from Guatamala, and 17-year-old Jose Montano, also here illegally. I was 14 when I was in ninth grade so I wonder if they got their grade wrong.

    Both young men are being held without bond. It happened amidst a debate to formally declare Rockville a sanctuary city, although it and Montgomery County have long practiced informal sanctuary. In a joint statement after President Trump's inauguration, County leaders reassured residents of a longstanding policy of "Police do not enforce federal immigration law". Maryland State policy goes well beyond non-enforcement, granting in-state college tuition rates to illegals, leading to massive demographic shifts.

    Who comes with illegals; their parents, their aunts, their uncles, their cousins, their nephews and nieces, MS 13 gang members come through that door too. 51% of Montgomery County school families are now immigrants. There is 14% poverty rates in Immigrant homes. They have a 7% poverty rate in native homes. This has lowered the tax base and caused schools to struggle to serve student bodies speaking as many as 19 different languages. Higher taxes, lowered educational standards, higher crime rates is what the people of Montgomery County face as a result of pro-illegal immigration policies put forth by the county government, and even by the state.

    yet, in the 22 month period from January 2014 through September 2015, Montgomery County ignored Federal Immigration orders to detain 63 illegals who had prior criminal records. Coincidentally, yesterday, the Department of Homeland Security began publishing a list of sanctuary cities, and the numbers of illegals those cities are releasing after DHS ordered them detained.

    My question to JStmad is; how do you feel after you defend sanctuary cities and defend illegals after they rape and sodomize a 14-year-old girl? Are you going to tell me lots of people get raped and sodomized, so this is no different than if American citizens committed these crimes. Do you believe in law and order? Do you support politicians in your state that also protect illegals who are violent criminals and refuse to detain them for ICE, even after Kate Steinle was murdered by Juan Francisco Lopez-Sanchez -- is an undocumented immigrant, a repeat felon who has been deported five times to Mexico, according to immigration? these are not isolated incidents. They occur weekly all around the country. Democrats protest and march in support of sanctuary cities and want to shield illegals, even criminal illegals. They do not want local police to assist ICE, and in places like Seattle, police officers have been fired for contacting ICE about illegals who are being held in local jails. I'd like a comment, and I will assume a non-comment indicates you cannot justify your support and wish to ignore the problem and have no words for the 14-year-old victim at Rockville High.

    Obama Legacy In Action: 14-Year-Old Girl Raped By Illegal “Child” Immigrants In Sanctuary City
    http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2017...anctuary-city/

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    OK, I'm convinced. Since my house is built on land forcibly taken from Native Americans in violation of tribal law and probably a few treaties, I'm heading back to Pinsk, my ancestral home town. Where are you headed, Sister?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickHark View Post
    Apparently you have not heard that Canadians who want serious medical treatment during their lifetimes, go to Detroit.
    Covered by Canadian medical care. How many Canadians die each year due to a lack of access to medical care? (hint: zero) How many United States citizens die each year due to a lack of medical care? (hint: it's more than the number who die in automobile accidents)

    Quote Originally Posted by NickHark View Post
    Sorry, I do not want my medical care provided by the VA, DMV or the post office.
    Have you heard of single-payer? Do you know how it works?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ladogaboy View Post
    How many Canadians die each year due to a lack of access to medical care? (hint: zero)

    How many United States citizens die each year due to a lack of medical care? (hint: it's more than the number who die in automobile accidents)

    Have you heard of single-payer? Do you know how it works?
    Is it too much to ask that the guy who continually posts untrue statements post links to his almost certainly untrue claims?

    Perhaps you are trying to be clever by saying lack of access isn't killing those 250,000 Canadians that die each year. Technically, you would be close, though still lying, because the number is still not zero. And all the studies done in the U.S. are badly flawed. A drug dealer, murdered by another drug dealer will not have health insurance. He will be hauled to a local hospital and treated for those numerous gunshot wounds, but he wil die and the study will consider him dead because he lacked health insurance. There are lots of young men murdering each other in the U.S., so any study can use those murders to reinforce their flawed suggestion that they died because they lacked health care. They died because they had too many bullet holes in them to plug up at the ER.

    Medical mistakes third leading cause of deaths in Canada

    * As many as 23,750 patients die each year due to “adverse events” (defined by researchers as “unintended injuries or complications resulting in death or prolonged hospital stay that arise from health care management.”)

    * About one in every 13 patients admitted to acute- care hospitals in Canada during fiscal year 2000 experienced one or more adverse events.

    * About 37 per cent of these errors were highly preventable.” in other words human error.


    So more than 8,700 people die in Canada from human error.


    The study I posted a while back on this forum stated someone ranked the U.S. health care system as only 11th best. Or was it slightly lower? Canada was one place higher, so almost as bad. Why is Canadian health care so bad?

    The Ugly Truth About Canadian Health Care

    Socialized medicine has meant rationed care and lack of innovation. Small wonder Canadians are looking to the market.

    https://www.city-journal.org/html/ug...are-13032.html


    'Free' Health Care in Canada Costs More Than It's Worth

    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/nadeem-...b_3733080.html

    Many Canadians and commentators in other countries lauding Canada's government-dominated approach to health care refer to Canadian health care as "free." If health care actually were free, the relatively poor performance of the health care system might not seem all that bad. But the reality is that the Canadian health care system is not free -- in fact, Canadian families pay heavily for healthcare through the tax system. That high price paints the long wait times and lack of medical technologies in Canada in a very different light.

    In 2013, a typical Canadian family of four can expect to pay $11,320 for public health care insurance. For the average family of two parents with one child that bill will be $10,989, and for the average family of two adults (without children) the bill comes to $11,381. As a result of lower average incomes and differences in taxation, the bills are smaller for the average unattached individual ($3,780), for the average one-parent-one-child family ($3,905), and the average one-parent two-child family ($3,387). But no matter the family type, the bill is not small, much less free.

    And the bill is getting bigger over time. Before inflation, the cost of public health care insurance went up by 53.3 per cent over the last decade. That's more than 1.5 times faster than the cost of shelter (34.2 per cent) and clothing (32.4 per cent), and more than twice as fast as the cost of food (23.4 per cent). It's also nearly 1.5 times faster than the growth in average income over the decade (36.3 per cent).

    And what did these substantial funds buy?

    Despite talk of wait times reduction initiatives (backed with substantial funding), Canadians face longer wait times than their counterparts in other developed nations for emergency care, primary care, specialist consultations, and elective surgery. Access to physicians and medical technologies in Canada lags behind many other developed nations. And things have improved little since 2003. For example, the total wait time in 2012 (17.7 weeks from GP to treatment) is every bit as long it was back then.

    Don't be fooled by claims that health spending isn't high enough or that transfers for health care to the provinces have been insufficient. Canada's health care system is the developed world's most expensive universal-access health care program after adjusting for the age of the population (older people require more care).

    Canadians aren't suffering from health care underfunding; they're suffering from health care underperformance.

    And it gets worse. Changing demographics mean Canada's health care system has a funding gap of $537 billion. While health care is costly and underperforming today, in the absence of reform the future will either hold large increases in taxes, further reductions in the availability of medical services, further erosion of non-health care government services, or all of the above.

    The truth hurts, and I understand why you avoid telling the truth...about anything you post.

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    Except because it is Canadian tax dollar paying for heath care. If you are below the poverty line (and aren't paying tax), then healthcare is indeed FREE. Those with more income pay more tax, and carry the load of the entire system. The system has lots of problem, but it remains far better than most nations.

    The Canadian Healthcare system isn't perfect, but compare those 8700 'failure of the system' deaths in Canada, with the *WHO-KNOWS-HOW-MANY* 'undocumented failures' in the USA health care system from people not even going, let along not being treated properly...

    When it comes to Healthcare, America is the land of FREEDOM...freedom to die anonymously in an uncaring privatized heath system for the wealthy.
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