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    Quote Originally Posted by viking79 View Post
    To rhodomel, where are you going with this post?

    Are you trying to say that we won't get mass EV adoption in Cities until charging station rates are lower than gas prices? This might be true, but I imagine air quality regulations and such will force the issue. Also, I think it just has to be close in price. Once the initial purchase price on an EV comes down dramatically it won't matter.

    In suburbs, as you say, it is very different since most users will charge at home in their garage.

    As a counter point I think fleet owned vehicles will become far more popular in cities where they have their own fast charging networks and autonomous operation to shuttle passengers around, so I don't think it will matter in the long run. Even until this point something like the Bolt EVs available through Maven car sharing program, where you just need to be near a garage where the car will charge and borrow it. Don't have to worry about how much it costs to charge etc, as sharing a car and you no longer have the ownership costs.
    Although usually general public goes with what's cheapest, and I am currently not charging at work because $2 per hour for 4 hours is more expensive than putting in a gallon of fuel for the same range. I fully plan to start paying $8 per day once I have my mortgage paid off. I'm willing to pay to be green and do my part to wean our country from OPEC cartel's price fixing. But one thing at a time. Cars paid off. House is next. Then spend on frivolous, unnecessary stuff like overpriced electricity. An obscenely expensive car and a solar panel array comes after that. Who's with me?
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    Most places that would work out in our around town drives are .02 for 30 seconds. That is just stupid high money compared to gas. 4 times the cost of gas to get me same distance??!! It cost me over $9 to fully charge our Volt. Only did that once and never again. There are some free at places that "get it" such as Kohl's and Whole Foods. It is cheap for a business at that level to install given the money we will spend while there for hours.

    If marketed right, there is no reason why every mall and shopping center couldn't install one and not charge. We think casinos would be a great place as well. We visited several card rooms in CA and we didn't see any installed at anyone of them. Missed opportunity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cari View Post
    Most places that would work out in our around town drives are .02 for 30 seconds. That is just stupid high money compared to gas. 4 times the cost of gas to get me same distance??!! It cost me over $9 to fully charge our Volt. Only did that once and never again. There are some free at places that "get it" such as Kohl's and Whole Foods. It is cheap for a business at that level to install given the money we will spend while there for hours.

    If marketed right, there is no reason why every mall and shopping center couldn't install one and not charge. We think casinos would be a great place as well. We visited several card rooms in CA and we didn't see any installed at anyone of them. Missed opportunity.
    Charging stations aside, I'd be happy to just have a Whole Foods nearby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cari View Post
    If marketed right, there is no reason why every mall and shopping center couldn't install one and not charge. We think casinos would be a great place as well. We visited several card rooms in CA and we didn't see any installed at anyone of them. Missed opportunity.
    I agree with this. There are tax benefits to put them in in many states. And, the incentive here is to attract a certain type of customer in many cases such as it is with Whole Foods. Near me, there is one at a gas station, and it is free. But the gas station has a subway and some other things, so, suspect it's a marketing ploy as well. And they get me, as now instead of going elsewhere when I pass through each Wednesday on a longer drive for medical purposes, I stop in on the way home, and, eat there and get a 3kWh or so charge which gets me the rest of the way home on electric. Might as well plug in while I am there. The 30 cents or so electricity that costs them is nothing. But they have ongoing maintenance of course over time. I am thinking there will be free stations for a long time. But, perhaps some will become non free.
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    I look at public charging the same way I look at coffee. At home, I can make a cup of coffee for 20 cents. Out and about, I expect to pay five times that, at least, for someone else to provide me convenient coffee where I am. Sometimes you might run into free coffee as a courtesy, but that's just a perk from some establishment. I expect to pay, generally, but free sure is nice!

    I wish that charging networks and site owners would find a middle ground, though- $2/hr charging for a Volt is like going to Starbucks for a Venti and leaving a $5 tip instead of my 20 cent cup of coffee at home. Way too much!

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    Someone is bound to create a nationwide chain of EV recharging stations where you tie a food court with a big bank of EV chargers as well as gasoline and diesel. Right now the tesla supercharger network is the closest to this, though wouldn't it be neat to have superchargers and j1772s along with go carts and putt putt?
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