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\r\n I own a 2014 Volt with 55K miles on it, about 90% are electric miles. I have aftermarket extended warrantee for up to 5 years.
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\r\nI normally trade in cars at 4 years, but I know that Prius\' batteries have shown long life and I am wondering how many years I might be able to hang on to the Volt with it remaining reliable.
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    \r\n Battery\'s will be the last of your concerns on the Volt, they are warranted for 10 years in your state. As for the rest of the car, its a very complex car and getting anything fixed out of warranty can very quickly run into the thousands for repairs. No one can say when things might go wrong, its always just a guess.\r\n
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    Battery\'s will be the last of your concerns on the Volt, they are warranted for 10 years in your state. As for the rest of the car, its a very complex car and getting anything fixed out of warranty can very quickly run into the thousands for repairs. No one can say when things might go wrong, its always just a guess.
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    \r\n Quote Originally Posted by Aseras\r\n View Post\r\n
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    My HV battery didn\'t make it 2 full years
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    here it is, my thoughts for "new to you" volt (2011 to 2015) owners, right or wrong, in one post....:
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    \r\n I don\'t think anyone has really noticed any degradation in their batteries, that is not to say there haven\'t been battery failures, but overall range has maintained fairly constant. The Volt battery seems to be able to handle many cycles, I think the top driver on Volt stats has approximately 126k EV miles (361k odometer miles). This amounts to 3000 to 3500 charge cycles based on 35 to 40 miles per charge estimate, and I don\'t think he has seen any EV range loss (not saying battery lost capacity or not). Volt 1 only cycles 60% SoC or so, so the number of cycles will be much higher than a BEV (i.e., Bolt EV only needs to be designed to last 600-1000 cycles or so, which would be 150-250k miles).
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    \nAge also will degrade Li-ion batteries, but it is too early to tell much from that, might have to wait another 5 years. In other words, that will be a problem for 2nd or later owners, or those that keep cars more than 10 or 15 years.
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    \r\n I recommend tearing up that 5 year extended warranty offer and put the money you would have spent on that warranty into a special bank account that you don\'t touch except for repairs and maintenance. Better yet, pretend you traded in the volt for a new car and start making monthly car payments into this special account while driving the volt into the ground.
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    \r\n My 2013 has over 80K miles with over 80% on electricity. It has no perceptible battery degrade and has been the most reliable vehicle I\'ve ever owned. My previous cars include a Toyota Corolla and a BMW 5 series among others. I intend to go no less than 4 more years before I get another Volt.\r\n
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    \r\n I have no Volt, but I had several GM vehicles. My 1984 Olds Ciera lasted 27 years before selling it in 2000 to a neighbor. My 1995 Buick Regal lasted 21 years before selling it in 2015 to a friend, and he is still using it. I predict a well cared Volt can last over twenty years, so your children or grandchildren can be driving it later.\r\n
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      Default How long do VOLTs last?

      I own a 2014 Volt with 55K miles on it, about 90% are electric miles. I have aftermarket extended warrantee for up to 5 years.

      I normally trade in cars at 4 years, but I know that Prius' batteries have shown long life and I am wondering how many years I might be able to hang on to the Volt with it remaining reliable.

      Some of this is probably unknowable but perhaps 2011 or 2012 owners might comment.

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