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    Quote Originally Posted by Splitting Atoms View Post
    Everything I've heard is that they are air-cooled. Has the Energi had any issues? Those are air-cooled too?
    Energis have had LOTS of issues with battery degradation. So much so, the same law firm that handled the Leaf class action lawsuit is now looking into a similar lawsuit on behalf of Ford Energi owners. Some owners have experienced 30%+ degradation in less than 3 years/36k miles. And Ford has stated the battery capacity warranty info is PROPRIETARY, so no one even knows when their Energi battery may qualify for a replacement, if ever! Ford can just go "your battery is within normal specs, sorry. Oh, you want to know what those specs are? Sorry, proprietary info! Sucker!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymondjram View Post
    No mention about thermal management. If they follow Tesla Motors' example and use liquid cooling, the battery will survive. But if Toyota cuts corners and uses air cooling, as the Chevy Malibu Hybrid and Ford Fusion Hybrid does for their smaller batteries, then that Prime will be a "Leaf" copy and probably fail or lose capacity with time. My dentist has a Prius which had the battery replaced twice!

    BTW, Panasonic isn't the only Japanes Li-Ion battery manufacturer. They have Hitachi Maxell, NEC Tokin, Sanyo, Seiki, Toshiba, and Yuasa, too.

    For the Prius Prime, it would be a different ball game in California. Since it is a plug-in, PZEV, Toyota is required to guarantee their battery for 10 year/150,000 miles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bro1999 View Post
    Energis have had LOTS of issues with battery degradation. So much so, the same law firm that handled the Leaf class action lawsuit is now looking into a similar lawsuit on behalf of Ford Energi owners. Some owners have experienced 30%+ degradation in less than 3 years/36k miles. And Ford has stated the battery capacity warranty info is PROPRIETARY, so no one even knows when their Energi battery may qualify for a replacement, if ever! Ford can just go "your battery is within normal specs, sorry. Oh, you want to know what those specs are? Sorry, proprietary info! Sucker!"
    Interesting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfon View Post
    I wonder how long that would take for Toyota to actually have for sale on the dealer lots a pure electric Prius. I am still waiting for the 2017 Prius Prime plug in to arrive on the dealers lots. Must be a very slow boat leaving Japan....
    Months but Toyo doesn't have the will or desire because their fleet average is already fairly high

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    http://www.greencarreports.com/news/...#disqus_thread

    This is a side by side review/comparison of a 2017 gen2 Volt vs a 2017 Prius Prime plug-in hybrid. They make it sound like the Prius Prime is already available! Does anyone have an update as to when the 2017 Prius Prime will show up in dealer's showrooms? Is it available to order? It doesn't seem to be in http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/phevsbs.shtml yet...

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    Rather get the Audi A3 etron. If I'm going to put up with crap EV range, might as well ride around in style.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymondjram View Post
    Ecch! Just 25 miles? I rather buy the Ford Fusion Energi, which is a very confortable American designed and manufactured midsized sedan (and recommended by Consumer Reports) than that Prius! It can't even compare to the Gen 1 Volt!

    As I see it, if GM doesn't offer the Chevy Bolt EV here, I see mysellf buying the Fusion Energi instead.
    Rent one first(rental in Vegas) , then try and sync your phone to play Bluetooth. It took a good hour to get everything working (downloading apps etc). Until Ford get that right, I won't go near one. Sync sucks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAZINGA View Post
    Be careful what we ask for, Toyota could bury all other manufactures given their loyal customer base.
    I owned a Toyota Corolla, so the first place I headed is to a Toyota dealer to look at a Prius, Camry etc. I really didn't like what I saw, and when you crunch the numbers up here in Ontario, (12.5K gov't rebate) the price difference between the the two are a few thousand. So when the choice is a fully loaded Prius or a fully loaded Volt, I went with the Volt and Toyota quality isn't what it used to be. In the end I narrowed it down between a Volkswagen Passat and the Volt. I think you can figure out which won.

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    Prior to buying my 2017 Volt I test drove a Prius Prime. I could not find a dealer that had one charged enough to run in EV only mode or was willing to spend a little time to charge one up prior to a test drive. I suspect that EV only performance was subpar, even on the ICE it was sluggish. That being said, overall the car is nice, the display is neat but a little quirky and it was very roomy given the overall size. But I preferred the driving experience of the Volt.

    And although the MSRP of the Prime Advanced was about $7K less than the Volt Premium I ended up purchasing, in the end it was cheaper to buy the Volt because of better dealer pricing, better incentives and $7500 vs $4500 tax credit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rgoodrich View Post
    Prior to buying my 2017 Volt I test drove a Prius Prime. I could not find a dealer that had one charged enough to run in EV only mode or was willing to spend a little time to charge one up prior to a test drive. I suspect that EV only performance was subpar, even on the ICE it was sluggish. That being said, overall the car is nice, the display is neat but a little quirky and it was very roomy given the overall size. But I preferred the driving experience of the Volt.

    And although the MSRP of the Prime Advanced was about $7K less than the Volt Premium I ended up purchasing, in the end it was cheaper to buy the Volt because of better dealer pricing, better incentives and $7500 vs $4500 tax credit.
    I've only tried one test drive, and that one wasn't charged, either.

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