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    Quote Originally Posted by Runion View Post
    The VOLT has some VERY expensive parts under her body panels. The dealer told me there is an electronic part that combines all the info and processes it, this part seldom goes bad, but it has on some cars. THIS PART COSTS 2/3's WHAT THE VOLT COST NEW.
    With ANY car, after the warrentee, the owner takes on the cost for repair and from what I have seen, when the cost gets up to a certain level, and all owners have that cost ceiling, the car is either parted out or junked.

    This is a big problem with GM's premier queen, the CADILLAC. They stuffed it with all the electronics it can hold, the most expensive suspension they could dream up, computers galore, to the point that only the warrentee can keep her going. After the warrentee, the car usually falls onto collectors and those that think they can handle the costs of repair on their own. Even these daring individuals find in the end that there is definately a cost ceiling and a point to give it up. The day of keeping a car forever is not sensible in todays one sided engineering and production.

    In the case of BOTH the VOLT and Cadillac, and I have NO DOUBT that the other GM fleet cars are the same, when in an accident and sustain drive train damage, the insurance companies tend to total the car as the expense to make humpty dumpty whole again is just too high.

    LEST WE FORGET..... there is the parts supply factor as well. In the case of the Cadillac Eldorado, the forums routinely talk of not being able to find parts, GM does not make or stock them. Repairs are now at the grace of finding a Mens Mall (junk Yard) that has a car that they can part out. Cadillac is not the only model that has befallen this curse. Todays cars only have the luxury of parts from the manufactuer or from storage for about 10 years, after that the wholesalers get a shot at storing but in time they are thrown out to make space for newer car parts.

    I would say that todays cars, no matter what make or model, are definately a throwaway car.
    The boss computer, which combines all the information and processes it as described, is HPCM2, which if I remember right is more or less under the front passenger seat. It is not a twenty thousand dollar part to replace as your dealer issued FUD suggests.

    The only the really expensive parts on a Volt are the engine, battery, and the "transmission" which includes both drive motors and the differential. None of them are even the same order of magnitude as suggested, and all are potentially salvageable from wrecked Volts - and all are building solid reliability histories overall I believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Runion View Post
    Even these daring individuals find in the end that there is definately a cost ceiling and a point to give it up. The day of keeping a car forever is not sensible in todays one sided engineering and production.
    I wish you hadn't said that.

    The thing is about persuading yourself with an argument is that you tend to believe it, but often end up being the only person that does!

    Never trust your own arguments. I have been trying to persuade myself that my Ampera is one to keep for a long time. I don't think I can do it now, it makes no sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ampera_jed View Post
    I wish you hadn't said that.

    The thing is about persuading yourself with an argument is that you tend to believe it, but often end up being the only person that does!

    Never trust your own arguments. I have been trying to persuade myself that my Ampera is one to keep for a long time. I don't think I can do it now, it makes no sense.
    There seems be leaps in technology in a vehicle every 5-10 years -- so there is a good reason to upgrade/trade in. Especially in the safety tech department, lately. I do enjoy a lot of classic cars. It's ones personal choice as to how disposable a car is. And also parts availability is a big factor. What worries me with the Volt is that it is a relatively low volume car (for GM) and even junk yard parts at one point will be tough to find. To me that is also a factor in how disposable the car is. The Federal law is 7 years after the production date for repair/replacement parts. (at least it used to be)

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    My Volt will be 6 years old in May and likely around 100k miles. I didn't realize I was driving a dead car. Gosh, what will I do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by quantumorbit View Post
    I came across this blog with an interesting point of view, if a car is expensive and hard to repair, it's trash after the warranty expires. The author claims the Tesla Model S falls in this category.

    It's no secret the Volt is designed to require the dealer more than it should, so what do you think will happen now that we're reaching this point of Volts' warranties expiring in massive quantities?

    https://syonyk.blogspot.se/2016/03/i...away-cars.html
    I would summarize it more as a "THROWAWAY PRICE" because of the convoluted pricing including the $9000 tax write off and rebates or more. The Car is fantastic!! The manufacturer charges more while they can absorbing the govt tax assistance with higher prices. When the tax advantages disappear soon or get "TRUMPED" out...we will see more realistic and competitive pricing and the resale will be significantly better percentages
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1LeeMartin1 View Post
    I would summarize it more as a "THROWAWAY PRICE" because of the convoluted pricing including the $9000 tax write off and rebates or more. The Car is fantastic!! The manufacturer charges more while they can absorbing the govt tax assistance with higher prices. When the tax advantages disappear soon or get "TRUMPED" out...we will see more realistic and competitive pricing and the resale will be significantly better percentages
    GM makes an average earning of $654/vehicle. You seem to be claiming they are making $9000 profit on each Volt, more than 10x the average profit they make across their vehicle line? Why isn't GM pushing the car more if they have so much fat built in to the profit?

    I suspect when the tax credit goes away, the consumer will end up paying the full price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quantumorbit View Post
    I came across this blog with an interesting point of view, if a car is expensive and hard to repair, it's trash after the warranty expires. The author claims the Tesla Model S falls in this category.

    It's no secret the Volt is designed to require the dealer more than it should, so what do you think will happen now that we're reaching this point of Volts' warranties expiring in massive quantities?

    https://syonyk.blogspot.se/2016/03/i...away-cars.html
    Well, that's your opinion, not a fact. The fact is that the Voltec warranty is 8 years. Other things bare commonality to ice vehicles. But the ice engine should last longer in the Volt, if for no other reason, than it has less run time than a conventional ice, given the same mileage. Then there are brakes, typically a high maintenance item for ice vehicles, which again, enjoy longer service life in the Volt, due to regenerative braking ( and has been well documented on these forums). I am anticipating keeping mine at least eight years, which is longer than my wife and I have owned any other vehicle. I don't believe the facts support your opinion.
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    The thing I don't get is why the guy saying he has $7k repairs is being impugned for saying it.

    I can easily imagine a $7k bill on this. Take the battery out and replace a module/BMS etc., how much is that? Must be $000's if they already want several hundred just for replacing coolant. Add in a few other little gremlins and you've got yourself a big bill.

    How much does it cost to change a light bulb on this thing? (How much to replace the indicator light on the door mirror?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakster View Post
    There seems be leaps in technology in a vehicle every 5-10 years -- so there is a good reason to upgrade/trade in. Especially in the safety tech department, lately. I do enjoy a lot of classic cars. It's ones personal choice as to how disposable a car is. And also parts availability is a big factor. What worries me with the Volt is that it is a relatively low volume car (for GM) and even junk yard parts at one point will be tough to find. To me that is also a factor in how disposable the car is. The Federal law is 7 years after the production date for repair/replacement parts. (at least it used to be)


    I first heard of the THROWAWAY car back in the 70's. I recall the cars from the 60's, 70's and 80's and the auto industry was hitting us in the face with the direction the automobile was going. Different brands had their own body styles in the 50's then along come unibody and the bodies become standard for all brands. Remember the Chevy roof line, ON A CADILLAC??? Now all of this cheapness was not all bad. Even though most of us looked down on the new designs, we became safer with car bodies that crush to save the passenger compartment. The car is totaled, but the passenger in most events, would walk away.

    I believe most of us who have jumped onto the VOLT parade were inspired by its technology. I myself had considered BUILDING an electric car but couldn't find the time to do it. Chevy did all the hard work for me and gave me a great stereo, nav, bluetooth, USB playback, a solid, quiet car body, and it goes on. LEST WE FORGET THE 5th SEAT, HAHAHahahahaha.
    I suppose like everything else, the VOLT will age, the dealers will become more distant for repairs, parts will become tuff to find. Some of us will keep our VOLTS out of fondness and reliability, hazarding to find parts and do repairs ourselves. Others will trade to upgrade to new technology, a better body design, better room inside.
    When I bought the VOLT, I didn't think I'd see Auto Pilot driving in my time. I am now thinking that I may very much OWN a self piloted car in the future.
    Ownership is always a personal decision. Everyone looks at their car in a different light. Some just drive them and trade off for new every few years. Others really enjoy the car and tend to keep them as long as they can afford them. The collectors enjoy showing the car for its technological strides as the Automobile industry continues to advance in technology.
    How long a car is kept by an owner will all come down to the connection with his/her car and how much he/she might be willing to spend in time, money and very hard work to keep the car running. I don't believe this has changed at all. Only the technology has changed. We all still have our favorite rides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OlegE View Post
    I bought my Volt because I like to drive it. This is the most important to me and I am ready to pay for that.
    BUT... It happened that it also saves me money... excellent! It also saves environment - awesome!

    AND I might just use it's battery for my Solar set up.


    STRANGE, but I have had similar thoughts..................

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