I can't find much information on this one... How competitive will it be?
Anyone know more about this battery system vs. L-Ion?Austin said the F6 DM has a ferrous battery developed by BYD that is safer and charges faster than the lithium-ion battery being considered by other automakers.
Is it possible other manufacturer's could simply buy BYD's hybrid system and install it in their own cars? Since we get a $7,500 discount (if we make enough money to pay that in Fed taxes) it would essentially pay for the entire drive system.He said the hybrid system in the vehicle costs around $6,000 as a standalone system.
F3DM launching with a pricetag of 150,000 yuan($21,819)I don't know where you get the info for the price 30K of F6DM
F3 : 60,000 YuanCurrently, Retail price for F6 is around 10K-12K USD in China, include the hybrid will add additional 5-6K.
US Distribution adds 20% to Chinese price minimum.I am not sure about the transportation cost from China to US, but I Don't think it will be 30K, unless the distribusion cost is so high.
So what happens when Chinese labor cost goes up. It's going up like 30% a year, right?Instead of follow the automation strategy from Japanese, Korean, BYD build their own tools and create a labour-intensive method, which become more flexible and cost effective.
BYD is China's most famous auto pirate, shamelessly xeroxing Toyota and GM vehicles.I understand your concern about chinese product quality, but at least I don't think it apply to BYD.
Well, 20% longer range is 48 miles, not 62 miles. Basically, BYD is overcharging and overdraining its battery to achieve longer range, at the expense of battery life.the BYD battery has 20% more capacity, it's very likely they would be able to get the 62 miles AER with their batteries lasting as long or even longer than those provided by LG Chem only going 40 miles AER.
Thanks for all the great links, ant. I can't read Chinese but Google translate does a pretty decent job.The BYD F3DM advertisement video.....
What a surpirse, they can also offer solar-panel recharge.....
and news said the price may be lower than 20K USD...
http://club.bydauto.com.cn/bbs/read.php?tid-231348.html
BYD cars themselves are uncompetitive by US standards and you have Toyota and Mercedes lawyers waiting at the port with a court order to seize "pirated" BYD cars.I really don't see BYD selling a lot of vehicles in the US.
I have no idea, but I do have my doubts.HaHa, Thanks for your appreciation for BYD's PHEV drive system.
Well, I have hard time telling F0 and Aygo apart, ditto with F3 and old Corolla."Please see the below link, looks like the Governor of Oreagon is thinking different from you do....They are pushing BYD to export to US....
GM cars are engineered to meet US and Euro standards. Volt is no exception.The car market in the rest of the world....are they follow US standard?
Why would be surprised? BYD always said 150K Yuan for F3DM and 200K Yuan for F6DM.To be honest, the price (149.8K Yuen, 22K USD) is a bit higher than our estimate, because BYD always surprise us for the low price. But it still within the market estimate 100K-150K Yuen.
Not this one, because those battery pack costs arms and babies even for BYD the battery maker....In the End, I am still confident BYD will soon lower their price 30% in a few months, that's what they do for F3,F6....
150K Yuan for F3DM wasn't a market estimate; the price came straight from the mouth of BYD president months ago."Why would be surprised? BYD always said 150K Yuan for F3DM and 200K Yuan for F6DM."
I am surprise because BYD have track record to surpirse the market, officical price lower than market estimate.
Vertical integration means lower cost, not higher cost.It really a matter of how you look at cost. From my understanding, BYD has just done some vertical integration of supplier (They buy a IGBT firm few weeks ago), which at least push the cost 2K USD more...
We need to compare the prices BEFORE subsidy.even chairman admit the price is a bit high and mention the price will be much lower after government subsidies....Let's wait and see any government policy follow up...