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  • 4 Weeks Ago 07:32 PM
    HighlanderICT
    Quote Originally Posted by jupitermoon View Post
    If Chevy comes out with this, I'll change my name to Dirk Diggler....

    It won't look anywhere REMOTELY like what you see here. At least not for the US market. Maybe for China. We get the left-overs.

    ... and this is the Gen 1 Volt concept .... lots of changes before this crossover makes the sales floor ....

  • 4 Weeks Ago 04:02 PM
    Nebula
    I just had a thought, Chevy is bringing back the Blazer. I've heard we should see a concept sometime next year.

    You think it is going to be the US version of the FNR-X? It looks about the right size.
  • 4 Weeks Ago 05:03 PM
    Bacardi
    Quote Originally Posted by rmay635703 View Post
    Prius can't offer the solar roof here due to the same idiotic laws.

    If trump wants to make America great again he should roll back the stupid stuff,
    like platform laws.
    If it made sense, Tesla would have done it...The reason it doesn't make sense, like "solar roads", they work best facing a certain direction, angle and need to cover a very large area...
  • 4 Weeks Ago 01:30 PM
    rmay635703
    Quote Originally Posted by canehdian View Post
    Interesting, didn't know they had to crash each and every single variant.
    However, that brings up another question - those laws pertain to drivetrain, based on your description.
    Who's to say the battery is "drivetrain" per those laws? Is it spelled out in black and white? At minimum they would need to be challenged and/or revised to clarify that the battery even qualifies as requiring separate testing.
    The battery does not drive the vehicle, it is not drivetrain, it is akin to a gas tank. Do they have to test if they have different size gas tanks?

    I know it likely won't happen, but the point is not to roll over and say no, just because something might be a tiny roadblock in the way. These are (basically) all new classes of vehicles and not all legacy regulations apply - many are being (re)written, even up to today.

    The goal should be to encourage innovation, not to stifle it without even asking 'why'?

    Of course, at the end of they day, they won't bother to consider such a thing. But it doesn't hurt to hypothesize and innovate.
    Prius can't offer the solar roof here due to the same idiotic laws.

    If trump wants to make America great again he should roll back the stupid stuff,
    like platform laws.
  • 4 Weeks Ago 05:31 PM
    canehdian
    Interesting, didn't know they had to crash each and every single variant.
    However, that brings up another question - those laws pertain to drivetrain, based on your description.
    Who's to say the battery is "drivetrain" per those laws? Is it spelled out in black and white? At minimum they would need to be challenged and/or revised to clarify that the battery even qualifies as requiring separate testing.
    The battery does not drive the vehicle, it is not drivetrain, it is akin to a gas tank. Do they have to test if they have different size gas tanks?

    I know it likely won't happen, but the point is not to roll over and say no, just because something might be a tiny roadblock in the way. These are (basically) all new classes of vehicles and not all legacy regulations apply - many are being (re)written, even up to today.

    The goal should be to encourage innovation, not to stifle it without even asking 'why'?

    Of course, at the end of they day, they won't bother to consider such a thing. But it doesn't hurt to hypothesize and innovate.
  • 4 Weeks Ago 08:25 AM
    Bacardi
    Quote Originally Posted by canehdian View Post
    So in short, "They haven't done it yet, why would they start now?" is what you mean?

    Well, they haven't built a voltec SUV/crossover yet, why would they start now?
    Just because they've done it one way to date doesn't mean they can't/shouldn't be innovative in the future.
    rmay pointed out the platform law yet there are ways to get to the same end result your getting at, you just may have to swap out your entire battery at the dealer vs adding a module...

    I'm an odds guy and will point out that if you had to take a Vegas bet on whether or not GM's next PHEV/EV would have battery choices, based on historical trends the best bet would be to bet on a single battery offering...But hate, people make sucker bets in Vegas all the time, have a friend who bets $100 every year that this will be the year the Cleveland Browns will win the superbowl...

    I do 100% agree that GM should continue to innovate...
  • 4 Weeks Ago 12:22 AM
    Dakster
    Quote Originally Posted by jupitermoon View Post
    If Chevy comes out with this, I'll change my name to Dirk Diggler....

    It won't look anywhere REMOTELY like what you see here. At least not for the US market. Maybe for China. We get the left-overs.
    Dirk,

    It won't come out exactly like the proto-type but something very similar could come out. I do see a lot of watering down from prototype to actual released vehicle.

    And while these were not EREV or BEVS, Chevy has had Hybrid Silverado 1500's and Tahoe's akin to a 1 st generation Prius, except they really didn't get that much better MPG. Kind of like the Subbie XV Hybrid.

    One thing Europe also has is road tax based on an unknown to me formula, but is sure seems at least partially related to MPG. (I was looking at Ireland). So your choice of motor is related to how much per year you are going to pay to drive it. I noticed it wasn't an insignificant difference either. Smaller and more fuel efficient cars seem to be in the 170 - 300 EURO range and higher HP lower MPG cars I've so far seen as high as 1800 EUROS a year. I pay $140 a year and only reason it's that high is I have newer vehicles.

    We are already gutting the EPA, I am not for ending platform testing in the US. I'll give an example, the most common F150 sold is a crewcab, which in your case would be the only one tested. A long bed, extended cab, did horrible on an offset crash as compared to the crewcab. The dimensions of both vehicles are virtually the same. In made Ford go back and strengthen the frame on the extended cab. A V8, V6, V4, diesel, gas motors all have parts in different places - wouldn't you like to know that a part can't become a projectile that goes into the passenger compartment... Just something to think about. We've come a LONG way in vehicle safety, I'm not for rolling that back.
  • 4 Weeks Ago 08:56 PM
    jupitermoon
    If Chevy comes out with this, I'll change my name to Dirk Diggler....

    It won't look anywhere REMOTELY like what you see here. At least not for the US market. Maybe for China. We get the left-overs.
  • 4 Weeks Ago 06:26 PM
    rmay635703
    Quote Originally Posted by canehdian View Post
    So in short, "They haven't done it yet, why would they start now?" is what you mean?

    Well, they haven't built a voltec SUV/crossover yet, why would they start now?
    Just because they've done it one way to date doesn't mean they can't/shouldn't be innovative in the future?
    They also have economies of scale as the same battery box and modules are used for all models.
    Actually it's plain illegal for GM to do so;

    In the US we have something called platform laws, these laws require millions of dollars to be spent on crash tests any time you change any element of the drivetrain.

    This is why in Europe you can buy an identical car with 5 or more motor/XMSN combinations, heck if you want a full size car with a 1 liter motor and a 5 speed shift they'll sell you one.
    But in the US you are lucky if 2 motor /drivetrain offerings are made because of the extreme numbers of cars they would have to sell to break even.

    If you don't like this write your legislators to BAN platform laws, requiring testing for only the most common varient, if these laws were gone you would see cars become available with various motor offerings once again.
  • 4 Weeks Ago 05:45 PM
    Mister Dave
    Quote Originally Posted by kindofblue View Post
    Just to remind folks what the Volt concept car looked like compared to the Gen 1.
    I was disappointed about that at the time. This one could use just a pinch of watering down, but maybe not that much.
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