View Full Version : Dems guilty of energy outsourcing!



Jason M. Hendler
07-04-2008, 01:07 PM
Love this article - Dems are guilty of energy outsourcing:

Link (http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jul/04/democrats-guilty-worst-outsourcing/)

MrBogey
07-04-2008, 01:15 PM
It's a little hystronic but it's essentially true. America needs oil. Has been that way for a long while. We gobble up all we produce and pay extra for others to give us more. As such, half the oil we buy comes from us sending capital overseas. If anything that shouldn't be something we allow.

nuttzy
07-12-2008, 10:36 AM
Sorry I've not been around for awhile, kind of crazy at work ;)


Love this article - Dems are guilty of energy outsourcing:

Link (http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jul/04/democrats-guilty-worst-outsourcing/)

I'll leave it to others to argue how nonsensical and devoid of fact this article is. Instead, Jason, I will remind you that you're a staunch fiscal conservative that is pro-globalization and pro-free market and therefore outsourcing comes with the territory. So it would ring hollow when you try to sling this mud, even if the claims in the article weren't so absurd. You are fully capable of making valid points without stooping to this.

-Nuttzy :cool:

p.s. As a bleeds-blue Democrat and an avid reader of Thomas Friedman, I too am pro-globalization (though probably with more safety nets than you) and pro-free market (though probably with more transparency than you). So I won't be throwing outsourcing back at you ;)

Jason M. Hendler
07-12-2008, 12:18 PM
While I am for globalization, I realize that the US must have policies that take advantage of globalization, and not fall prey to it. If world demand for a commodity that is essential to our standard of living drives prices through the roof, the only solution is alternatives that get us out of the way of that stampede.

DonC
07-13-2008, 03:22 PM
Jason,

If you like Osama bin Laden so much why not just send him a check?

Drilling is a canard. US oil production peaked in 1970. Current production is at the level of 1946. All of our oil reserves are predicted to be depleted by 2018. If we drilled every square inch of the US we wouldn't find enough oil to make one whit of difference in the price of oil. Basically one percent of the world's oilfields hold 75% of the world's oil, and none of these fields are in the US. All drilling will do is give the companies which are drilling an opportunity to make a profit. It won't help the country as a whole.

If you don't believe me, then believe T Boone Pickens. T Boone is a lifetime conservative Republican. He bankrolled the Swift Boat attacks on John Kerry. He's also a lifetime oilman who has forgotten more than 99.9% of us will ever know about oil reserves and production. At the moment he's spending his own money to try and get Americans to understand that drilling is not a solution. There simply aren't enough reserves to be found. You may have seen his ads on TV. If not check out his plan on the web.

If even that doesn't convince you, just look at the logic of "drill here drill now". The president says the problem is, in his own words, that "our nation is addicted to oil". His solution: drill for more oil. Simply substituting the word "crack cocaine" for the word "oil" makes clear the mind numbing stupidity of the approach, for what we are saying here is that "we are addicted to crack cocaine" and that the solution is to "go find more crack cocaine". When faced with addiction the only path is to break it, not feed it.

Why not stop being a partisan and become a patriotic American? Drop the oil drilling silliness and join with other Americans who are willing to start the hard process of kicking the habit and stopping the process of sending our dollars to Iran and Saudi Arabia so those countries can fund terrorist attacks against us. If you don't want to do this, and you want to continue down your current path of collaborating with the terrorists, I'll see if I can get bin Laden's address for you.

MrBogey
07-13-2008, 04:54 PM
Let's follow this drug analogy.

You knwo what happens when you takea lifetime drunk and deprive them of alcohol cold turkey? Take a guess. It's not pretty or healthy.

We can't turn this around overnight and I'll never understand the people who are willing to sink the economy just to get us off oil. We'll get off of it as it becomes economical not to be on it. Which is what Pickens is doing right now because we've reached the point where non-oil energy is getting economical. But that doesn't mean we need to end drilling or stop its expansion.

Jason M. Hendler
07-13-2008, 05:06 PM
Jason,

If you like Osama bin Laden so much why not just send him a check?

Drilling is a canard. US oil production peaked in 1970. Current production is at the level of 1946. All of our oil reserves are predicted to be depleted by 2018. If we drilled every square inch of the US we wouldn't find enough oil to make one whit of difference in the price of oil. Basically one percent of the world's oilfields hold 75% of the world's oil, and none of these fields are in the US. All drilling will do is give the companies which are drilling an opportunity to make a profit. It won't help the country as a whole.

If you don't believe me, then believe T Boone Pickens. T Boone is a lifetime conservative Republican. He bankrolled the Swift Boat attacks on John Kerry. He's also a lifetime oilman who has forgotten more than 99.9% of us will ever know about oil reserves and production. At the moment he's spending his own money to try and get Americans to understand that drilling is not a solution. There simply aren't enough reserves to be found. You may have seen his ads on TV. If not check out his plan on the web.

If even that doesn't convince you, just look at the logic of "drill here drill now". The president says the problem is, in his own words, that "our nation is addicted to oil". His solution: drill for more oil. Simply substituting the word "crack cocaine" for the word "oil" makes clear the mind numbing stupidity of the approach, for what we are saying here is that "we are addicted to crack cocaine" and that the solution is to "go find more crack cocaine". When faced with addiction the only path is to break it, not feed it.

Why not stop being a partisan and become a patriotic American? Drop the oil drilling silliness and join with other Americans who are willing to start the hard process of kicking the habit and stopping the process of sending our dollars to Iran and Saudi Arabia so those countries can fund terrorist attacks against us. If you don't want to do this, and you want to continue down your current path of collaborating with the terrorists, I'll see if I can get bin Laden's address for you.

The only canard is your blindness to trade deficits. If the US will indeed continue to burn petroleum in the near term, then it is better we keep out money stateside by drilling and burning our own oil.

As for our reserves, the Bakkan Oil Fields put us on par with Saudi Arabia, so the vast reserves of oil offshore in CA and FL, where it is continually bubbling to the surface puts as way ahead.

Link (http://www.nextenergynews.com/news1/next-energy-news2.13s.html)