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Mikro 02-02-2008, 07:31 PM I'm just wondering as future Chevy Volt owner Hows this going to work Tax or no tax
What are the Fees and regulations might we see come down the pipe in the next few yeara?
I never really thought of this till I saw this thread.
But it got me thinking
allanf 02-02-2008, 10:23 PM There aren't any special taxes on the Prius. There are, however, tax incentives.
mark4090 02-03-2008, 12:18 PM Aren't we already taxed for the electricity we use? And just about everything else, as well.
Mark
Rooster 02-03-2008, 01:02 PM Here's an interesting out of the box approach detailed on pages 186-190 of "Winning the Oil End Game". It is coined "feebates", is policy based, and would do away with CAFE standards. A brief summary from page 186 on how Feebates would work is the following:
[INDENT]"Feebates lower the prices of efficient vehicles, so people
buy more of them, and raise the prices of inefficient
vehicles, so people buy fewer of them. Each year, the fees
pay for the rebates (plus the minor administrative costs747).
Consider, for example, a feebate of $1,000 per 0.01 gpm,
with a pivot point of 23 miles per gallon (0.043 gpm) for the
midsized SUV class. A Nissan Pathfinder getting 18 miles
per gallon (1/18 mpg = 0.056 gpm), is 0.013 gpm worse
than this benchmark value or
Mikro 02-03-2008, 06:35 PM I just brought this up because owners will pay for a gas tax on E-85 and then on electric
Jason M. Hendler 02-03-2008, 07:35 PM Following the typical pattern, I suppose the government will have various tax rates at point of purchase, scaled for "green-ness". As vehicles start using less and less gasoline, then state / local / federal government will have to replace that tax income by continuing to tax transportation one way or another - toll booths, license and registration fees, parts / maintenance, etc. seem to make the most sense. Increasing the tax on the electric bill might be hit or miss, if some people have renewable sources at home, so the government(s) will have to tax those industries (solar, geothermal, low-head hydro, etc.).
The government will get its money, no need to worry.
BigRedFed 02-03-2008, 07:43 PM I'm just wondering as future Chevy Volt owner Hows this going to work Tax or no tax
What are the Fees and regulations might we see come down the pipe in the next few yeara?
I never really thought of this till I saw this thread.
But it got me thinking
Hopefully, we the people, will not allow our "representatives" to take any more money from us than we are already allowing. Someone above posted about thinking outside the box and offering something called "freebates". How about we think outside the tax box altogether? How about no new nation tax?
Roads must be paid for. The current system of tax and distribute through the federal govt is inefficient, prone to corruption and has been used to expand the power of the govt beyond it's constitutional means. We need a system that is as fair as possible and none of the above.
What does everyone think of turning road construction over to the people who make the cars? Could we trust the automobile companies to maintain and build the roads we would drive upon? Besides taxes, my idea, or toll roads, what private models might work?
GPaul 02-08-2008, 05:28 PM I think you will start to see some penalty box taxes for the more gas hungry models. The State of Washington is considering such measures right now. On top of that big cities world wide are looking at imposing congestion taxes on cars entering the city (but notably not electric ones). Until there are allot more electric cars on the road the folks buying gas are going to be paying the freight.
Tagamet 02-12-2008, 01:03 PM if we focus on getting these veicles ON the road, before we start blunting their momentum by dwelling on potential downsides??? There are plenty of hurdles to navigate already without giving people yet another one to chew on.
Just my .02 (which I'd like to hang on to!)
Be well and God Bless,
Tagamet
ned23 03-07-2008, 01:14 PM I'd like to see a 50-cent increase in the current federal gas tax that is coupled with a fixed per-mile tax credit for cars to consumers.
That way, people who buy gas hogs will not complain too badly because they'll get some of their money back but people will also have an economic incentive to buy really fuel-efficient cars because the less gas you use per mile, the more benefit you would get from the tax credit.
Since businesses can already write off fuel costs, this won't affect them that significantly in the long-term
ned23 03-07-2008, 01:15 PM I think you will start to see some penalty box taxes for the more gas hungry models. The State of Washington is considering such measures right now. On top of that big cities world wide are looking at imposing congestion taxes on cars entering the city (but notably not electric ones). Until there are allot more electric cars on the road the folks buying gas are going to be paying the freight.
The state of Washington is also building or proposing lots of new toll roads and toll bridges. They won't need as much tax revenue. Look for that to be the trend of the future.
BillR 03-07-2008, 10:23 PM Fifteen years ago I owned a GM pick-up truck with the 6.2 liter diesel engine. At the time, New Hampshire did not tax diesel fuel at the pump. However, when I registered the truck, I paid the estimated annual fuel taxes as part of the registration fees. There were also such fees for vehicles powered by propane or electricity.
As it was mentioned previously, the government will get its money (and if spent as intended, these taxes are supposed to be dedicated to road construction and repair).
If the Volt and other electric cars become popular, I would expect a similar scenario would be used by other states, and possibly the Federal Gov't.
Jason M. Hendler 03-08-2008, 08:56 AM The state of Washington is also building or proposing lots of new toll roads and toll bridges. They won't need as much tax revenue. Look for that to be the trend of the future.
Now that tolls can be paid electronically at highway speeds, I too suspect future road projects will be toll roads. We must do everything possible to keep tax revenue close to its intended use.
zzyzzx 05-08-2008, 03:22 PM I'm expecting more toll booths and increased registration fees.
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