volt11
12-15-2010, 11:28 PM
Well Lyle you were right! Denville, NJ was the first delivery.
But only because of a last minute call to the driver from GM to go there and not Dover, got this info from the driver himself (Great guy btw) the media was all setup at Denville and someone pulled strings there.
It's pretty clear this first delivery was pre-planned by GM. As far as the dealer in Denville pulling strings, as reported above by airton, that's really very unlikely. As I'll try to show, the timing was too tight, the Detroit media would have had no reason to appear at Denville without a reasonable guarantee that this would indeed by the 1st delivery, and I believe the implications are that we're probably being led by GM to believe other things that are simply not true.
I'm not trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. As someone on this forum deftly put it the other day, "it's just a car." But I think it's an interesting, detective-style thought exercise-- see if you agree:
1) As far as I know, not a single other buyer was able to take delivery of their car today, which assured there would be no competition for this particular Volt to be first;
2) despite what we've heard about a full day of PDI being necessary for these cars, etc., this car miraculously rolled in Tuesday night and was ready for its photo op at 9am today (about half a day after the truck pulled up, sounds like an all-nighter at the dealership at the very least);
3) When did the buyer, Mr. Jeff Kaffee, have to be notified in order to show up promptly first thing this morning? The article states, "Kaffee flew home Monday from a vacation in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., when he heard the car would be ready today." Given everything we just went through with Monday's roll out, can anyone explain a rational guess at exactly what the chain of events must have been? Because I can't. From what we know, the best case for any random dealer to know anything would be that sometime later on Monday they could see they had a particular Volt inbound, with no scheduled delivery day or time... so how did they know the car "would be ready today" as stated in the quote above?
4) It JUST SO HAPPENS that the buyer is a veteran and retired airline pilot (oo, people love that stuff) and he's TRADING IN A TOYOTA PRIUS! Then he gives the press the perfect soundbite where he says basically that the Prius used to be the latest, most up to date tech, but now that honor belongs to the Volt; do you really think GM just got lucky with that one?
5) Mr. Kaffee's new, first delivered Volt carries a VIN number of 191, which means there were approximately 188 other Volt buyers who got their orders in before he did, presumably weeks before--yet his car managed to take the first truck out of Hamtramck and get delivered to him at least one day before anyone else's; and also on the first day of trucks to the Northeast were cars as low as VIN #8, all of which still await delivery;
6) The Detroit Free Press were all set up bright and early this morning at Denville to get the story out tout de suite; what events could have transpired to make that happen, and in what timeline? Did they drive all night? Take a red-eye? How did they know the first delivery would even be in NJ, no less at this particular dealership?
Of course, in the end it was GM's party to throw, for whoever it felt it wanted to tag. But why the charade that it was a random buyer? I think the facts clearly suggest that this was all arranged at least several days in advance, and here's the most interesting thing to me about that: this arrangement would have been BEFORE that supposed Monday lunch meeting when the engineering team was said to green light the shipment of Volts. It would be really interesting to know if Mr. Kaffee was already in the air from FL, or perhaps landed in Newark, when that meeting supposedly took place.
And another mystery surfaced today: why are cars inbound to NJ suddenly going by rail, starting with today's shipments, when those from the prior 2 days were trucked in direct? This may be unrelated, but an outright conspiracy theory might be that GM needed to direct ship Mr. Kaffee's car to make the planned Wed. delivery, but in order to make it look like a random chance it had to also truck the first couple of day's worth of northeast cars direct to dealers. By also announcing that cars wouldn't ship in build order, that cleared the way for #191 to casually slip in with the rest of the cars on the early fleet of direct shipment car carriers. Using the rails is presumably cheaper and slower, and good enough now that the headline was made early this morning.
It's just my opinion, but I have to give delivery round #1 to Nissan and the Leaf. First and foremost because they picked the people who actually got the very first orders in to be the first to receive their cars. It was straightforward and above board. Like who enjoys waiting at a store counter, and having the guy who came in 10 minutes later get offered assistance before you do?
Now I know, I've been called out by one forum member for being too negative, and I'm willing to plead guilty to that, especially in the context of Volt enthusiasts. But in my own defense, I think I've mainly tried to call things as I see them where good ethics are concerned. I'm still as excited about getting my Volt as before, whenever that will be (it was shipped direct to my NJ dealer yesterday according to Cassens, but so far no sign of it, nor have I received any call from the Volt Advisor Team; still I'm optimistic for Fri or Sat delivery.) But (if I'm right) it's dishonest sh!t like this, which GM seems to think nobody will notice, that makes me just that slightest bit less enthusiastic about being a GM supporter. I'd really prefer they took the high road. It's like I'd have a hard time supporting the Eagles after they brought back Michael Vick. YMMV.
Peace, and good luck to all getting their Volts!
-Bob
But only because of a last minute call to the driver from GM to go there and not Dover, got this info from the driver himself (Great guy btw) the media was all setup at Denville and someone pulled strings there.
It's pretty clear this first delivery was pre-planned by GM. As far as the dealer in Denville pulling strings, as reported above by airton, that's really very unlikely. As I'll try to show, the timing was too tight, the Detroit media would have had no reason to appear at Denville without a reasonable guarantee that this would indeed by the 1st delivery, and I believe the implications are that we're probably being led by GM to believe other things that are simply not true.
I'm not trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. As someone on this forum deftly put it the other day, "it's just a car." But I think it's an interesting, detective-style thought exercise-- see if you agree:
1) As far as I know, not a single other buyer was able to take delivery of their car today, which assured there would be no competition for this particular Volt to be first;
2) despite what we've heard about a full day of PDI being necessary for these cars, etc., this car miraculously rolled in Tuesday night and was ready for its photo op at 9am today (about half a day after the truck pulled up, sounds like an all-nighter at the dealership at the very least);
3) When did the buyer, Mr. Jeff Kaffee, have to be notified in order to show up promptly first thing this morning? The article states, "Kaffee flew home Monday from a vacation in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., when he heard the car would be ready today." Given everything we just went through with Monday's roll out, can anyone explain a rational guess at exactly what the chain of events must have been? Because I can't. From what we know, the best case for any random dealer to know anything would be that sometime later on Monday they could see they had a particular Volt inbound, with no scheduled delivery day or time... so how did they know the car "would be ready today" as stated in the quote above?
4) It JUST SO HAPPENS that the buyer is a veteran and retired airline pilot (oo, people love that stuff) and he's TRADING IN A TOYOTA PRIUS! Then he gives the press the perfect soundbite where he says basically that the Prius used to be the latest, most up to date tech, but now that honor belongs to the Volt; do you really think GM just got lucky with that one?
5) Mr. Kaffee's new, first delivered Volt carries a VIN number of 191, which means there were approximately 188 other Volt buyers who got their orders in before he did, presumably weeks before--yet his car managed to take the first truck out of Hamtramck and get delivered to him at least one day before anyone else's; and also on the first day of trucks to the Northeast were cars as low as VIN #8, all of which still await delivery;
6) The Detroit Free Press were all set up bright and early this morning at Denville to get the story out tout de suite; what events could have transpired to make that happen, and in what timeline? Did they drive all night? Take a red-eye? How did they know the first delivery would even be in NJ, no less at this particular dealership?
Of course, in the end it was GM's party to throw, for whoever it felt it wanted to tag. But why the charade that it was a random buyer? I think the facts clearly suggest that this was all arranged at least several days in advance, and here's the most interesting thing to me about that: this arrangement would have been BEFORE that supposed Monday lunch meeting when the engineering team was said to green light the shipment of Volts. It would be really interesting to know if Mr. Kaffee was already in the air from FL, or perhaps landed in Newark, when that meeting supposedly took place.
And another mystery surfaced today: why are cars inbound to NJ suddenly going by rail, starting with today's shipments, when those from the prior 2 days were trucked in direct? This may be unrelated, but an outright conspiracy theory might be that GM needed to direct ship Mr. Kaffee's car to make the planned Wed. delivery, but in order to make it look like a random chance it had to also truck the first couple of day's worth of northeast cars direct to dealers. By also announcing that cars wouldn't ship in build order, that cleared the way for #191 to casually slip in with the rest of the cars on the early fleet of direct shipment car carriers. Using the rails is presumably cheaper and slower, and good enough now that the headline was made early this morning.
It's just my opinion, but I have to give delivery round #1 to Nissan and the Leaf. First and foremost because they picked the people who actually got the very first orders in to be the first to receive their cars. It was straightforward and above board. Like who enjoys waiting at a store counter, and having the guy who came in 10 minutes later get offered assistance before you do?
Now I know, I've been called out by one forum member for being too negative, and I'm willing to plead guilty to that, especially in the context of Volt enthusiasts. But in my own defense, I think I've mainly tried to call things as I see them where good ethics are concerned. I'm still as excited about getting my Volt as before, whenever that will be (it was shipped direct to my NJ dealer yesterday according to Cassens, but so far no sign of it, nor have I received any call from the Volt Advisor Team; still I'm optimistic for Fri or Sat delivery.) But (if I'm right) it's dishonest sh!t like this, which GM seems to think nobody will notice, that makes me just that slightest bit less enthusiastic about being a GM supporter. I'd really prefer they took the high road. It's like I'd have a hard time supporting the Eagles after they brought back Michael Vick. YMMV.
Peace, and good luck to all getting their Volts!
-Bob