http://news.kanaloco.jp/localnews/article/1006110045/

Nissan Leaf Range at Full Charge

No AC/Heat, 60 km/h(37 mph) cruise : 220 km(137 miles)
AC/Heat, stuck in traffic jam : 75 km(47 miles)

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No AC/Heat, 60 km/h(37 mph) cruise : 220 km(137 miles)
AC/Heat, stuck in traffic jam : 75 km(47 miles)
What about stuck in a traffic jam at night in Oregon (or other places with notably inclement weather)? Headlights, windshield wipers, heater + fan, . . . The Leaf's range would certainly drop even further. This is the number I want to see. There are damned few days here in Oregon where you wouldn't be using high-drain ancillary loads. It could be 30 miles or less . . . Might as well get a Volt or other EREV.

Edit: Here is a link (http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.kanaloco.jp%2Flocalnews%2F article%2F1006110045%2F&lp=ja_en&btnTrUrl=Translate) to an English translation of the web page. Sorry, can't do that for the video :)

That's an incredible discrepancy...137-47 miles range when new! The average of around 80 is about what we thought. No wonder Nissan is making sure their customers are plug in ready or whatever. Here's been my prediction all along...

Ghosn underestimates the stupidity of Americans. I don't know how it is in Japan, but in this country no matter how carefully you screen people, the morons will always find a way to slip in, or the PC term "technically impaired", since they're usually the ones with all of the money. It won't take long before people start getting stranded in the cars because they thought the E was an F or something stupid like that, and then they end up walking in the dark and get hit by a car because the shoulder wasn't wide enough and lawsuits and terrible EV PR ensue. It just happened to Google with Google Maps 2 weeks ago.

http://searchengineland.com/woman-follows-google-maps-walking-directions-gets-hit-sues-43212

Then instead of taking advantage of this PR to sell the Volt, GM will still be yawning and keep Volt battery and vehicle production to the lowest of any of their vehicles meanwhile our economy is sinking as we transfer a trillion of dollars of wealth a year to foreign countries for oil and oil spills kill every living thing in the ocean.

It doesn't make any sense, therefore it makes perfect sense!

That's an incredible discrepancy...137-47 miles range when new!
137 mile is when you are driving on a test track at 37 mph. You never get this in real life, obviously, and even 100 mile is difficult.

On the other hand, 47 mile range is far more realistic. Just get stuck in some traffic in December and you are out of juice in no time.

These are not shocking numbers guys. It's called plan ahead.

Altazi,

I've told you before. Get out of Oregon. It's a nice place to live in the summer for a couple months (if you don't mind being cold). But who on earth wants to live there all the time.

I'm sure you could find work in Phx.

These are not shocking numbers guys. It's called plan ahead.

Altazi,

I've told you before. Get out of Oregon. It's a nice place to live in the summer for a couple months (if you don't mind being cold). But who on earth wants to live there all the time.

I'm sure you could find work in Phx.

My wife would love it - she is a native Oregonian (as am I), but is truly sick and tired of the rain and unending days of grey. Moving to AZ would doubtless improve my astronomy viewing, as well.

but is truly sick and tired of the rain and unending days of grey. .

Unending days of gray can cause depression or existential angst:eek:

Do it, you will be glad you did.

If you have any questions about where to live what companies to work for etc. send me a PM. I would be glad to help as I am retired (pretty much) and have "much time and little to do".---just kidding I'm pretty good at keeping myself entertained.

Moving to AZ would doubtless improve my astronomy viewing, as well.
AZ heat shortens battery life.

You would want to be in SoCal to drive battery powered cars.

AZ heat shortens battery life.

You would want to be in SoCal to drive battery powered cars.

If Nissan was worried about it, do you think they would be using Phoenix as an introductory market??

"What about stuck in a traffic jam at night in Oregon (or other places with notably inclement weather)? Headlights, windshield wipers, heater + fan, . . ."

The headlights are LEDs so they should be fairly economical, put some Rain-X on the windshield and wear thermal underwear, and dont drive thru puddles :)

A range of 137 miles at 37mph is 140wh/mile, assuming 80% SoC.. this improves on the Tesla that gets about 170wh/mile at that speed.

"What about stuck in a traffic jam at night in Oregon (or other places with notably inclement weather)? Headlights, windshield wipers, heater + fan, . . ."

The headlights are LEDs so they should be fairly economical, put some Rain-X on the windshield and wear thermal underwear, and dont drive thru puddles :)

A range of 137 miles at 37mph is 140wh/mile, assuming 80% SoC.. this improves on the Tesla that gets about 170wh/mile at that speed.
The mere thought of a Tesla creeping along at 37 mph brings tears to my eyes. :(

"What about stuck in a traffic jam at night in Oregon (or other places with notably inclement weather)? Headlights, windshield wipers, heater + fan, . . ."

The headlights are LEDs so they should be fairly economical, put some Rain-X on the windshield and wear thermal underwear, and dont drive thru puddles :)

A range of 137 miles at 37mph is 140wh/mile, assuming 80% SoC.. this improves on the Tesla that gets about 170wh/mile at that speed.

Hmm--yes that's a full 20% better. Perhaps Nissan allows more than 80% battery usage.

"The mere thought of a Tesla creeping along at 37 mph brings tears to my eyes. "

It happens more often than we care to admit, most of us live in cities.. at least you dont have the rough transmission of a sports car.

BTW, not driving thru puddles to conserve energy is a very serious technique, hypermilers ride over the white line to avoid this.. but I doubt this is a problem in Arizona :)

If Nissan was worried about it, do you think they would be using Phoenix as an introductory market??
If Nissan was introducing their car in June rather than December, do you think they would be using Phoenix as an introductory market??

BTW, not driving thru puddles to conserve energy is a very serious technique, hypermilers ride over the white line to avoid this.. but I doubt this is a problem in Arizona :)

Oh, is that why? I thought you were worried about the battery shorting out. :eek:

BTW, not driving thru puddles to conserve energy is a very serious technique, hypermilers ride over the white line to avoid this.. but I doubt this is a problem in Arizona :)

Actually we do have a problem in Arizona with people driving over the white line. Especially in Sun City.:D

“The mere thought of a Tesla creeping along at 37 mph brings tears to my eyes… “ – Altazi

That’s what commuters driving into NYC on LIE or those into Los Angeles on Hollywood Fwy do every morning. Although EV’s do not waste much energy on stop-and-go traffic, energy required for lights, HVAC, control electronics and entertainment increases in direct proportion to the time on the road. If you have to be on the road for one hour for your 40-mile commute, those accessory items should consume as much as 3kWh, which is OK for Tesla or Leaf since the battery still has more than 10kWh for propulsion purpose.

Anyway, the following charger should be of interest to Leaf, Tesla and other EV owners although their charging hardware and electronics must be modified to accept the ultra-high charging current:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/electric/ultra-quick-battery-charge-system

This charging system consists of two battery pack stages, one (the second stage) possibly a kind of super capacitor. Once the first stage is fully charged at 1C(?) and then dumps its stored energy into the second stage, which then stands by for duty call. When an EV is connected to its output, the second stage quickly (at the rate of 10C or so?) discharges its energy into the EV’s battery pack. While this is being done the first stage battery has already been charged shortening the time required for the second duty call. Service stations can charge a bundle of first stage batteries during off-peak and slow-business hours to be ready for rush hour demand.

"BTW, not driving thru puddles to conserve energy is a very serious technique, hypermilers ride over the white line to avoid this.. but I doubt this is a problem in Arizona :)

Try getting caught in one of our monsoon storms. With no visibility, you are lucky to survive.

Try getting caught in one of our monsoon storms. With no visibility, you are lucky to survive.

Especially if you cross the white line.

Oh, by the way desertstraw,

are you enjoying our fairly conservative Republican State. My guess is you are a round peg in a square hole.

How has your new living experience been so far??

Enjoy AZ

GSB