: Time to unplug Volt fire hysteria
petefoss 12-16-2011, 02:24 PM A nice piece in the Detroit News.
http://www.detnews.com/article/20111216/OPINION03/112160340/1031/opinion03/Time-unplug-Volt-fire-hysteria
Steverino 12-16-2011, 02:58 PM One glaring misstatement, the author says the crash tested Volt's battery ignited 3 days later, when it was actually 3 weeks later. But his basic premises are sound nonetheless.
Perhaps the pendulum is swinging.
firebirdbandit 12-16-2011, 02:59 PM Great article.
frankydude 12-16-2011, 02:59 PM Yes, this will help deflate the media ballooning...
Brittt1 12-16-2011, 03:04 PM A nice piece in the Detroit News.
http://www.detnews.com/article/20111216/OPINION03/112160340/1031/opinion03/Time-unplug-Volt-fire-hysteria
Makes complete sense to us Pete. The problem are the so called TV/News prophets that twist the facts, which is in turn consumed like flesh by the brainwashed zombies that listen to them. Oh, that and the complete incompetence of the NHTSA that performed these so called tests, anyone knows if you look hard enough for a problem, it's real easy to create one.
tboult 12-16-2011, 03:46 PM Yeah.. I did find it interesting that NHSTA has 1.5M in this year's budget for developing processess for alternatie fuel vehicle (EV) safety testing", and the report on the volt happen to come out just in time for the budget battle.. giving them a chance to argue .. see are making a difference.
A nice piece in the Detroit News.
http://www.detnews.com/article/20111216/OPINION03/112160340/1031/opinion03/Time-unplug-Volt-fire-hysteria
The author missed one point completely, though. Haters gonna hate. :)
Brittt1 12-16-2011, 03:53 PM Yeah.. I did find it interesting that NHSTA has 1.5M in this year's budget for developing processess for alternatie fuel vehicle (EV) safety testing", and the report on the volt happen to come out just in time for the budget battle.. giving them a chance to argue .. see are making a difference.
Its the same with all 'Big' government departments, having experience in the IRS and a few others, your budget it, you better damn well use it that year so you can get the same or more the year after. The % amount of BS projects, products or services that are bought by government agencies and turn out useful are a disgrace. But that's what happens when you build it big.
jaksecret 12-16-2011, 05:20 PM Did anyone catch where he says man-made global warming is a myth? Uhhh, ummm, hmmm.
yoyodyn 12-16-2011, 05:24 PM Did anyone catch where he says man-made global warming is a myth? Uhhh, ummm, hmmm.
The writer seems to lean a bit to the right... and yet still supportive of the Volt, however obviously not of the GM bailout. Which actually makes the point of the article more valid IMHO.
Logical_Thinker 12-16-2011, 05:51 PM The writer seems to lean a bit to the right... and yet still supportive of the Volt, however obviously not of the GM bailout. Which actually makes the point of the article more valid IMHO.
It certainly shows that the Volt is a non-partisan excellent feat of technology.
He said that taxpayers are paying a subsidy to those who buy the Volt. I think that misrepresents the facts... I think a tax credit basically means you pay less tax, so you are keeping your own money.
spreston 12-16-2011, 06:07 PM I can never buy that a tax credit is still not everybody's money. The way to prove my point is to give everyone in the USA a tax credit equal to the amount of tax money they owe next year and see how well that works out since everyone is just "keeping their own money." That couldn't hurt anything, could it?
It certainly shows that the Volt is a non-partisan excellent feat of technology.
He said that taxpayers are paying a subsidy to those who buy the Volt. I think that misrepresents the facts... I think a tax credit basically means you pay less tax, so you are keeping your own money.
yoyodyn 12-16-2011, 06:23 PM I can never buy that a tax credit is still not everybody's money. The way to prove my point is to give everyone in the USA a tax credit equal to the amount of tax money they owe next year and see how well that works out since everyone is just "keeping their own money." That couldn't hurt anything, could it?
Does that arguement ever stop? The same could be said about loans that were meant to be spent in the US, but the company does business over seas. Or for food stamps that can't be used to buy cigarettes, yet people who get food stamps can still use money to buy cigarettes leaving them short on cash for other things. The idea that money can be separated out has always confused me, yet it doesn't seem to stop every single politician and gov't agency from doing exactly that.
This dollar was a campaign contribution, so I can only use it for campaigning stuff, but this other dollar was from my work salary, so I can use it for anything. So since I am campaigning, I can use the campaign dollar to buy dinner, and put this other dollar that was mine in the bank, since I don't need to buy dinner anymore.
Sorry, I forgot what I was arguing about....
Steverino 12-16-2011, 06:42 PM Money, oil, and politicians are all fungible commodities that know no boundaries.
The way to prove my point is to give everyone in the USA a tax credit equal to the amount of tax money they owe next year and see how well that works out since everyone is just "keeping their own money." That couldn't hurt anything, could it?Good point. Since you are concerned about the size of tax expenditures, you'll no doubt forget about the EV tax credit and spend your time repealing big ticket items such as the deduction for interest on home mortgages, the exclusion from income for medical insurance, and the exclusion from income for capital gains. At some point you'll even work down to the deduction for parking spaces in NY City. Then you'll be ready to take on the EV credits.
Brittt1 12-16-2011, 07:10 PM Did anyone catch where he says man-made global warming is a myth? Uhhh, ummm, hmmm.
It is a myth, there is no global warming. It's NEW name is 'climate change' (since it can go up and down)
Mark Z 12-17-2011, 05:17 AM Just to be safe, I have parked the Volt in an open car port area about 3 miles from my home. I am back to using the ICE vehicles full time while GM finishes the paperwork to buy back the Volt. No sense in taking any chances.
spreston 12-17-2011, 02:29 PM Good point. Since you are concerned about the size of tax expenditures, you'll no doubt forget about the EV tax credit and spend your time repealing big ticket items such as the deduction for interest on home mortgages, the exclusion from income for medical insurance, and the exclusion from income for capital gains. At some point you'll even work down to the deduction for parking spaces in NY City. Then you'll be ready to take on the EV credits.
You're putting words into my mouth. Did I say anything bad about the EV tax credit? Are you a little touchy on this topic and just ready to go off on anyone?
I am just saying that giving a tax credit where people pay less taxes is taking money out of everyone's pocket and not simply letting that person keep their money.
Nothing more, and nothing less than that. Got it?
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