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2017 Detroit Auto Show Green Car Roundup

 

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No car show these days would be complete without a sufficient helping of green car news, and this year’s North American International Auto Show in Detroit does not disappoint.

Several concept cars and actual products pending were rolled out this week during media previews to show that automakers wish to be taken seriously about what they’re doing to green their fleets.

Under various regulations governing their product lines’ emissions and mpg averages around the world, carmakers otherwise are in a race against the rules, and increasingly against one another.

Nissan VMotion autonomous concept.

Nissan VMotion autonomous concept.

Although there have been ripples of fear among electrified car advocates about what the Trump administration might do to roll back U.S. efficiency and emission laws, automakers are catering to a global market.

At this stage, U.S. EPA rules call for fleet average window stickers to improve from about 26 mpg to the high 30s by 2025. Even if those rules were weakened, California retains legal right to set rules for its market dictating ever-decreasing emissions. Other states comprising more than a quarter of the U.S. market following California zero-emission rules thus indicate that until further notice the electrification agenda is still on.

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Meanwhile, among noteworthy stories this year was that two out of three of the Detroit show’s car of the year awards included an all-electric car – 2017 Chevy Bolt EV – and a plug-in hybrid – the 2017 Pacifica Hybrid, a jewel within the awarded entire Pacifica line.

SEE ALSO: Nissan’s Quarter-Millionth Leaf Means It’s The Best-Selling Plug-in Car In History

These cars, and so many others are also merging technologies leading toward autonomous and connected capabilities which go hand in glove with plug-in tech – and non plug-in as well.

Following are takeaway points from green cars revealed at Detroit 2017 along with links for each to the rest of the story.

More-Efficient 2018 Camry Hybrid

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For those who’ve criticized Toyota’s styling for creations like the Mirai fuel cell vehicle and 2016 Prius, the carmaker is earning praise this time for its redesigned Camry lineup which includes a Hybrid version with “Prius-like” efficiency.

That would be good for the car whose 2.5-liter hybrid powertrain was last updated in 2012, and whose 40/41 mpg was in need of improvement next to newcomers like the 46 mpg Chevy Malibu Hybrid and 48 mpg Honda Accord Hybrid.

The Prius is EPA rated for 52 mpg in base trims, and if the popular Camry Hybrid gets anything close to that, it could refresh that model’s sales.

Audi Q8 Plug-in Hybrid

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When you imagine Audi’s Q8 PHEV slated for production next year, think: powerful, sleek, and not bad at all in the efficiency department.

Under the liberal European NEDC test cycle, the 3.0-liter turbo is rated for 60 kilometers (37.3 miles) electric range and 2.3 liters of fuel per 100 km/62.1 miles for the equivalent of 102.3 in U.S. mpg.

The U.S. EPA will surely add some sobriety to those exuberant numbers but electric range may still wind up in the 20s which by today’s standards is OK – and better than other German plug-in hybrids to date.

And, the coupe-like SUV is otherwise a cool ride with potent with 0 to 100 km/h (62.1 mph) in 5.4 seconds, and top speed of 155.3 mph.

Purpose-Built Honda Hybrid ‘Truck’

2017 Honda Ridgeline.

2017 Honda Ridgeline.


Honda is preparing to shoehorn a derivative of the Accord Hybrid’s superb powertrain into an as-yet unseen 2018 truck made ground up as a new hybrid-only model.

As viewed by the Ridgeline pickup – a vehicle of the year winner this year in Detroit – Honda does trucks differently, but the notion of a dedicated hybrid platform with maybe more than 40 mpg is a step in the right direction.

Why the carmaker is not also yet hybridizing its popular CR-V, HR-V, and others is not known, but given high mpg trucks are a veritable oxymoron in the U.S., no doubt consumers will approve if Honda applies its usual attention to detail to the new model.

Volkswagen I.D. Buzz Concept

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How’s a stylized neo-retro version of VW’s classic bus with from 200 to 270 miles EPA-rated range in a dedicated EV platform grab you?

For now it is a concept, but VW Group – trying to undo image damage from its diesel cheating – promises 30 new EVs by 2025 and this could be a precursor to one of them.

Under the floor of the microbus is a 110-kWh lithium-ion battery pack sized to fit the 129-inch wheelbase.

The all-wheel-drive concept utilizes a 200-horsepower electric motor for each set of wheels with 370 total horsepower – enough for 0 to 60 mph in around five seconds.

What do you think? Should they build it?

Other Green Car News

Chrysler Portal Concept.

Chrysler Portal Concept.

The CES 2017 show in Las Vegas a week before Detroit witnessed a few green cars that will also make an appearance this week in the motor city.

Included is the Chrysler Portal Concept, an all-electric minivan with six-passenger seating, range estimated up to 250 miles, and semi-autonomous driving.

Given Chrysler was brave enough to enter the plug-in market where other carmakers have yet not tread with its Pacifica Hybrid (PHEV), enthusiasts can only hope the Portal design exercise may lead to something consumers can buy.

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Meanwhile, BMW’s 530e plug-in hybrid is for sale – this is known because the carmaker put a $52,395 price (with destination) on this already anticipated PHEV with 9.2-kWh battery and available in an AWD xDrive version for $54,695 (including destination).

And, another novelty that stands to save lots of fuel is Ford’s Transit Connect hybrid taxi prototype.

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This is part of Ford’s announcement at the beginning of this year of seven new electrified models on their way out of 13 planned.

SEE ALSO: Ford Confirms 300-Mile Range Electric SUV, F-150 Hybrid and Mustang Hybrid – and More

The Transit Connect’s powertrain was not specified, but it may be a mid-sized four-cylinder in the vehicle that at this point is being evaluated.

Ford also is showing its second-generation Fusion Hybrid autonomous vehicle scheduled for ride-sharing service on public roads by 2021.

HybridCars.com

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (6:11 am)

    Thanks Jeff for a great article with exciting announcements.

    I like the VW concept. A modern design with a speedy chassis; it might sell very well. Be sure to click the link above to see all the great photos of the VW I.D. BUZZ at HybridCars.

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (6:36 am)

    Thanks to Jeff for another very informative article. We appreciate the details here at gm-volt.com.

    Not to shoot the messenger, but I hate the term “green cars”. I know this is used throughout the industry, but it shouldn’t be. There are many reasons why people love electric cars. In fact, Bob Lutz, the father of the Volt, has said that global warming is a “crock of sh*t.” What’s more, a poll taken right here on gm-volt.com found that only 11% listed global warming as their major concern.
    http://gm-volt.com/2010/01/29/lutz-driven-by-peak-oil-not-global-warming-how-about-you/

    And especially with the new political reality, I think characterizing plug-ins as “green cars” is a huge mistake. Call them “sustainable cars” or “energy security cars” or “terrorist-free cars”.

    “Green cars” is like waving a red flag saying “please cut our subsidies”.

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (7:52 am)

    As all these ~40 KW or greater plug-ins become widespread, the grid will increase in stability, because of what I call “pause-rotation management”. Since national increased capacity can be better controlled with EV loading/unloading capacities. This is important for National Security, so, the incentives are earned by these purchase selections at a rate of $1,000 per temporary-unloading kilowatt, about ten to twenty times a year.

    Especially considering if HIGH RATES of charge VARIATIONS or ROTATIONS can be accommodated for Electric Utility systems. Policy makers may find this critically-essential.

    Strict open-mindedness yields high prosperity in decision making.

    As far as the least-likely to change their thinking regarding electrification;

    A shop owner I had visited yesterday, (and visited several times over the years before we got our Volt) asked each time;

    ” But how long does the battery last?!”

    But this time, “the jury was “in””.

    I replied “Ten years before it tapers off”.

    ” Then what do you have to pay for a new one?!”

    “It doesn’t matter.” I answered.

    “Because in that ten years, it will save me Fifty-Seven-Thousand-Dollars.”

    He stood there in silence with his jaw dropped.

    His attitude turned 180 degrees to a respectfulness I’d never seen from him in all the 11 years I’ve known him.

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (8:40 am)

    Dave G: I hate the term “green cars”.

    It is a long discussion I won’t have time to go back and forth on but it is the compromise settled on among choices. As the article says, the market is being moved by global considerations where carbon emissions are a chief driver, partial U.S. public sentiment notwithstanding.

    And as you say, “green” is a recognized term, and a catchall for “eco cars” or “alternative energy cars.” This article is not all about plug-ins, but about hybrids, and plug-in hybrids, and battery electrics.

    If I use “electrified,” plug-in fans have been known to yell at me for daring to call hybrid electric vehicles “electrified” and want to lump them with ICEs.

    SEO considerations otherwise come into play.

    Dave G: Call them “sustainable cars” or “energy security cars” or “terrorist-free cars”.

    So your suggestion would be:

    2017 Detroit Auto Show Sustainable Energy Car Roundup

    2017 Detroit Auto Show Energy Security Car Roundup

    2017 Detroit Auto Show Terrorist-Free Car Roundup

    Or a variation thereof?

    Have a great day, Dave.

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (8:45 am)

    Jeff Cobb: If I use “electrified,” plug-in fans have been known to yell at me for daring to call hybrid electric vehicles “electrified” and want to lump them with ICEs.

    The best approach is address the problem from the other direction… call everything else a “traditional vehicle”.

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (8:46 am)

    No chevy traverse hybrid or GMC terrain hybrid, why?

    I thought GMC terrain will come with a volt power train or traverse may come with a hybrid/plugin power train to match pacafica.

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (9:25 am)

    GM still has the lead in electrified vehicles at this time. The Bolt seems to have really caught most other manufacturers off guard and now they are playing catch-up.

    Now GM needs to take the bold approach and keep moving forward. They really need an EV SUV & small pickup truck, and a Voltec Silverado as the next round of vehicles. Sooner, not later! These are the types of vehicles the general public seems to want, so get to it.

    And forget the “Green”, “Terrorist Free”, “Sustainable”, or “Energy Security” lables. Advertise them as “See The USA Driving The New And Better Chevy Way!” They will sell by the millions…..

    Lead, follow, or get out of the way!!

    Now, very quickly, ramp up production and get the Bolt nationwide ASAP!!!

    JMHO

    Jim – C-5277

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (9:39 am)

    One has to wonder what battery tech these cars will use. I saw an article that SAmsung announced a new improved battery then disappointed by saying it would be available in 2021.

    This electrc vw bus looks interesting but its way out in2020 or so. IMO the germans are just doing a lot of advertising to improve ther image after dieselgate.

    Seems like GMand Tesla are the only ones actually DOINGsomething. I hope bro gets his bolt soon and he can find a 80 kw charger and see if he can do better than 90 miles in 30 minutes.

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (9:51 am)

    Just a quick note.
    I use capitals for emphasis only for policy makers.
    (Never ever as a critique towards anyone).

    The next two weeks is the period of most open mindedness for policy makers.

    That is why I am pushing these extraordonarily-beneficial facts about larger EV batteries and subtractive-stabilization characteristics for the grid.

    As well, the prosperity-economics of Volt and Bolt.

    Enjoy a prosperous day, everyone!

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (10:09 am)

    There are two issues that are going to cause a lot of resistance to the production of electric vehicles; reduced need for labor in production, and reduced service income for dealers. Mercedes and VW have already noted that the manufacture of electric vehicles require fewer workers and will result in thousands of fewer jobs for autoworkers. As for dealers, from what I’ve read auto dealers make most of their income from service, not sales. Electric cars may currently sell for more, but their much lower need for scheduled maintenance will cut dealers’ service income and lead to a reduced need for service technicians. It’s been reported that the new Chevrolet Bolt requires little scheduled maintenance for its first 150,000 miles. So, I can see labor unions and the owners of auto dealerships not being too enthusiastic about converting to electric cars.

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (10:15 am)

    greetings from Todos Santos Mexico:)

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (10:18 am)

    Out of the cars listed in the article, here are my thoughts:

    1. Chevy Bolt: Really cleaning up on the awards this year. It’s well deserved.
    2. Nissan VMotion: Great looking concept but what will the mass market version look like? Probably not nearly as dramatic.
    3. Toyota Camry Hybrid: Making an already great proposition better with mpg’s forecasted in the 50’s looks like a winner to me.
    4. Audi Q8: Is it a tall car or a crossover? You decide.
    5. Honda Ridgeline and Pilot Hybrids: It’s about time, but bring the mpg’s or forget it.
    6. VW Bus or Buzz or whatever they’re calling it these days: So sick and tired of VW. Yet another concept. All they do are concepts and press releases. I read somewhere else that the earliest VW would have this van to market would be about 5 years from now. Seriously?
    7. Chrysler Portal: Cool and techy but it’s just a dream as it is in this concept. The Real autonomous minivans Waymo is driving around don’t look anything like this.
    8. BMW 530 PHEV: Another nice plug-in conversion of an existing BMW sedan.
    9. Ford: So many Ford announcements, it’s practically overwhelming. Ford will be able to really say in a few years that they truly have something for everyone.

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (10:39 am)

    The two big announcements in my mind were the Audi Q8, the BMW 530, and the Camry. The latter two because they’re actually practical, the former because on the specs it’s the most interesting vehicle and it will be built in the near future so it’s more than an announcements. But for what will be Tesla like prices I’d look at it. Thirty miles of range would work for everything other than long trips, and this vehicle should be fantastic on long trips.

    But the bigger news came at LA with the announcement that the Jaguar i-Pace will arrive in 2018.

    Overall though the NAIAS seemed less than inspiring on both the conventional and green front. Then again maybe we’ve been spoiled the last couple of years (plus announcements come at other shows and other times).

    George S. Bower: greetings from Todos Santos Mexico:)

    Looks great George. Did you drive down there? (only kidding). A friend does yoga retreats there and people always enjoy it. Looks great.

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (10:53 am)

    Chris K:
    So, I can see labor unions and the owners of auto dealerships not being too enthusiastic about converting to electric cars.

    The railroads weren’t very enthusiastc about air travel either. Look where it got them.

    All we can hope is that there’s enough jobs created by electric car companies to compensate. Tesla’s making a good stab at it.

    If I remember from my reading about the RR era there was one RR that tried to make the leap to air travel. It was described in a book about Fred Harvey called appetite for America.

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0036S4A7M/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

    That book was a great read. I think nowa days we forget how the railroads owned this country.

    Sadly that venture didn’t work out for the RR’s.

    If the parallel holds the big 3 car makers won’t make the transition and will end up a shell of what they are now.

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (10:55 am)

    Schmeltz:
    Out of the cars listed in the article, here are my thoughts:

    6.VW Bus or Buzz or whatever they’re calling it these days:So sick and tired of VW.Yet another concept.All they do are concepts and press releases.I read somewhere else that the earliest VW would have this van to market would be about 5 years from now.Seriously?

    I agree Schmeltz.

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (11:00 am)

    Jeff Cobb: So your suggestion would be:
    2017 Detroit Auto Show Sustainable Energy Car Roundup
    2017 Detroit Auto Show Energy Security Car Roundup
    2017 Detroit Auto Show Terrorist-Free Car Roundup
    Or a variation thereof?
    Have a great day, Dave.

    How about:
    2017 Detroit Auto Show Alternative Car Roundup

    “Alternative Cars” can cover pretty much anything, so you won’t get a lot of flack for it.

    This may sound like nit-picking, but remember, in 9 days the White House, Senate, and House will all be controlled by people who don’t believe in global warming. The new head of the EPA is the world’s biggest climate denier. We need to adapt, or pay the consequences…

    john1701a: The best approach is address the problem from the other direction… call everything else a “traditional vehicle”.

    I agree, +1.

    But at some point you have to label the other group. Alternative is sort of the opposite of traditional.

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (11:22 am)

    DonC:

    A friend does yoga retreats there and people always enjoy it. Looks great.

    We meditate. Once a day. In out younger days we started meditating much earlier. Some would meditate as soon as they got up.

    Sadly, too old to do much medicating. Otherwise feel like poo poo next day:)

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (11:43 am)

    Dave G: 2017 Detroit Auto Show Alternative Car Roundup

    That is do-able.

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (11:57 am)

    Dave G: How about:
    2017 Detroit Auto Show Alternative Car Roundup

    The Alt-Left cars. (just kidding)

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (11:58 am)

    Jeff – did they let you sit in a Bolt EV? I’ll be there on Saturday, and hopefully will get to sit in one.

    If anyone wants pictures/closeups of anything let me know.

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (12:00 pm)

    for its redesigned Camry lineup which includes a Hybrid version with “Prius-like” efficiency.

    Why didn’t they put a plug in it? What a missed opportunity.

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (12:36 pm)

    Kdawg: Why didn’t they put a plug in it? What a missed opportunity.

    Who’s to say they won’t? Switching Camry over to TGNA production is the first step.

    Toyota is currently busy ramping up lithium battery production. The gen-4 Prius uses it. Camry hybrid will now too. At the same time, they are also introducing the C-HR hybrid. So, much is happening with electrification besides the Prime rollout.

    Remember, the goal is to have the architecture in established. Adding a clutch and switching battery-packs is a small part of the equation, an easy next step. Don’t forget that RAV4 is already being positioned for that.

    What step is GM at with SUV plug-in choices? How about Malibu hybrid with a plug?

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (12:45 pm)

    Care to comment on this, john1701a?

    https://priuschat.com/threads/prime-buyers-misled-by-dealers.175431/
    and this: https://priuschat.com/threads/help-is-my-dealer-lying-to-me.175375/

    Toyota dealers refuse to stock the Prius Prime, lying to customers and saying they ordered them when they didn’t! Say it ain’t so!

    Does Toyota actually want to sell the Prime, or is it just a compliance car??

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (12:53 pm)

    bro1999:
    Care to comment on this, john1701a?

    https://priuschat.com/threads/prime-buyers-misled-by-dealers.175431/
    and this: https://priuschat.com/threads/help-is-my-dealer-lying-to-me.175375/

    Toyota dealers refuse to stock the Prius Prime, lying to customers and saying they ordered them when they didn’t! Say it ain’t so!

    Does Toyota actually want to sell the Prime, or is it just a compliance car??

    Yeh. I was in the Toyota dealer in Phx and asked if they had any Primes and they said “I don’t think so”. Never heard another thing about it. .

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (12:54 pm)

    bro1999:
    Care to comment on this, john1701a?

    https://priuschat.com/threads/prime-buyers-misled-by-dealers.175431/
    and this: https://priuschat.com/threads/help-is-my-dealer-lying-to-me.175375/

    Toyota dealers refuse to stock the Prius Prime, lying to customers and saying they ordered them when they didn’t! Say it ain’t so!

    Does Toyota actually want to sell the Prime, or is it just a compliance car??

    I guess this is what happens when you “try” to roll out a car nationwide all at once, instead of a slow rollout like GM is doing with the Bolt. Perhaps Toyota should take some notes from GM. 😀

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (12:55 pm)

    john1701a: Who’s to say they won’t?Switching Camry over to TGNA production is the first step.

    Toyota is currently busy ramping up lithium battery production.

    I don’t think they make their own batteries.

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (1:15 pm)

    George S. Bower: Sadly, too old to do much medicating. Otherwise feel like poo poo next day:)

    LOL I hear you George. But seems ou’re covered either way. Looks like a nice environment to meditate or medicate. (From the photos I’m thinking this is what happens with the yoga retreat).

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (1:31 pm)

    Dodging the question by changing the topic to rollout inventory…

    Again, what is GM’s next step ?

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (1:35 pm)

    “Honda is preparing to shoehorn a derivative of the Accord Hybrid’s superb powertrain into an as-yet unseen 2018 truck made ground up as a new hybrid-only model.”

    Here it comes, GM (and from Ford too). Will you be ready? I’d recommend you go straight to a plug-in for a smaller, dedicated-EREV model pickup; catching mere truck hybrids flat-footed.

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (1:37 pm)

    john1701a: Dodging the question by changing the topic to rollout inventory…

    Sorry. You can comment here, but you don’t get to define the rules.

    There’s a sub-thread going on about a Mexico vacation; I don’t see you complaining about that too.

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (2:00 pm)

    john1701a:
    Dodging the question by changing the topic to rollout inventory…

    Again, what is GM’s next step ?

    Yeah. Whatever.

    I see you are taking the 5th on the Prime rollout debacle. Perhaps a smart choice, as it is truly a debacle.

    Toyota has created the perfect situation for dealers to gouge interested customers (like 72 dealers in one region fighting over 42 allocations total? Really??)

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (2:03 pm)

    Kdawg: Why didn’t they put a plug in it? What a missed opportunity.

    Toyota is the ‘slow as molasses’ company. Remember that they are the company that is finally just getting around to using Li-Ion batteries in their hybrids. Maybe in about 15 more years they’ll have a 200 mile BEV. (And the sad part is, they will STILL beat VW to market with it!)

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (2:08 pm)

    Dan Petit/Petit Technical College,

    That’s great, Dan! I’d love to be able to say that to some of the skeptics. (Do you have a link I can point them toward to back up that savings number?)

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (2:12 pm)

    Schmeltz: Toyota is the ‘slow as molasses’ company…

    Plug-In Owners group here measures progress based on market penetration, not EV miles.

    All the boasting here is an empty victory if it isn’t following by significant sales growth.

    That’s why I ask what the next step is.

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (2:45 pm)

    john1701a,

    No New Year’s resolutions, huh?

    John’s 2017: Same old, same old.

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (2:49 pm)

    john1701a: What step is GM at with SUV plug-in choices?

    john1701a: Again, what is GM’s next step ?

    A handful of people near the top of GM’s organization know. Go ask them. 😛

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (4:25 pm)

    Jackson: Same old, same old.

    That’s what it looks like. I push for sales growth, the rest are just content waiting to see what happens.

    I am so glad the plug-in owners group is pushing for change. We aren’t sitting around watching dealers pull the same nonsense. We are actually working with them in person, helping them out with the sales process. We meet with businesses too, helping them with their setup of chargers.

    The lesson to be learned from 2016 is to not just hope for the best. You have to be part of it, take a stance… like tell GM to finally do something for SUV efficiency.

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (5:23 pm)

    john1701a: That’s what it looks like.I push for sales growth, the rest are just content waiting to see what happens.

    I am so glad the plug-in owners group is pushing for change.

    There’s not a soul here who believes this. “Pushing” is not changing. Helping the Sun rise by shouting at it (as certain Native American tribes did) does nothing to alter the Earth’s rotation. The apparent cause and effect was only an illusion conferring supposed power onto the shouters.

    Show some evidence, or show yourself out. Can you offer a single link to proof of any owner’s group forcing change on Toyota? Didn’t think so. You pretend to push a car that was already rolling by itself.

    Sadly, you may be pretending without quite realizing it: Never believe your own press.

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (5:45 pm)

    john1701a: I am so glad the plug-in owners group is pushing for change.

    So, how many of the millions of P-cars sold were plug-ins? Shame on Toyota!

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (6:28 pm)

    Eco_Turbo: So, how many of the millions of P-cars sold were plug-ins? Shame on Toyota!

    Ironically, all those millions of P-cars saved more gas than Volt. There’s power in numbers.

    The point is, the design readily supports the transition to a plug. Adding a clutch and swapping in a larger battery is quite basic. Prius (hatchback) already does that. RAV4 (compact SUV), C-HR (crossover), and Camry (sedan) are all positioning for that too.

    We see the potential for GM to do the same thing. Should we push for that or shame them for not?

    Wasn’t the point of Volt to have its tech spread to other vehicles?

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (6:33 pm)

    Jackson: Can you offer a single link to proof of any owner’s group forcing change on Toyota? Didn’t think so.

    http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/27/hymotion-launching-prius-plug-in-conversion-kits/

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (7:19 pm)

    Call me unexcited by this year’s show.

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (8:57 pm)

    john1701a: http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/27/hymotion-launching-prius-plug-in-conversion-kits/

    For less than the cost of a new Prius and that $10K plug-in kit, I can buy a plug-in Ford Fusion Energi, and drive a much better hybrid than ANY Toyota crap. Only the Chevrolet Volt is better!

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    Jan 11th, 2017 (10:08 pm)

    john1701a: I push for sales growth, the rest are just content waiting to see what happens.

    That’s rich. I know everyday is Groundhog Day for you but maybe you’ll see Feb 3rd this year and quit with your repetitive nonsense. One can hope anyway.

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