Jul 22

Spark EV boasts more torque than a Ferarri 458 Italia

 

Where General Motors is not taking chances in marketing the Spark EV to only California and Oregon to start with, it is playing it up big in comparing the car to Ferrari’s 458 Italia.

A whimsical Chevy ad (below) is attention grabbing, and we’ll see how effective it is, but whether Ferraristi up and sell their prancing red ponies in exchange for the humble bowtie-badged city car remains to be seen.

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“Now you can give up gas, without giving up performance. Introducing the all-new pure electric 2014 Chevrolet Spark EV,” intones the narrator’s drama-laden voice as technicians turn up the dial on a fictional spark-generating machine in the 33 second spot. “It packs a whopping 400 pound-feet of torque. That’s more than a Ferrari 458 Italia. With zero emissions.”

Then they show the Spark sparking a short distance quicker than a bolt of lightening.

“A car powered by electricity, that moves like electricity,” continues the narrator. “That’s American ingenuity to find new roads.”

Catchy. And perhaps some folks will love the ad – and as people do in the theater – suspend disbelief.

For one, the Ferrari has a mere 2 rated pounds-feet of torque less than the Chevy, at 398 pounds-feet – and it actually delivers it, which may be in question with the Spark EV.

And no, the Ferrari’s peak torque is not at zero rpm, but hits relatively low at 3,250 rpm as the screaming 4.5-liter naturally aspirated V8 crescendos toward 562 peak horsepower and its 9,000 rpm redline.

The $233,509 Ferrari does a 0-60 sprint in 3.0 seconds. The $26,685 Spark does it less than half a second slower than a Toyota Camry Hybrid, at 7.6 seconds.

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But hey, it’s the imagery that counts, right? And that’s a lot of sparks for the bucks, especially when all subsidies are tallied.

However while the Ferrari doesn’t spool peak torque off the line, we’re wondering whether the Chevy actually does?

Electric motors theoretically do, but if this Chevy puts down all 400 pounds-feet from zero mph, it ought to do some long smoky front-wheel burnouts.

Odds are it’s electrically curtailed, so when does the full torque actually hit?

This situation could be similar to the Fisker Karma that boasted 903 pounds-feet, and could not burn rubber to save its life even with 50 percent more torque than a ZR1 Vette.

Will someone please dyno the Spark EV, and let us know?

And meanwhile, here’s hoping the ad is as effective as hoped, and blows away buyers even more than the Spark blows away a lightening bolt and exceeds a quarter million dollar Italian sports car’s torque figure by .05 percent.


 

If so, maybe GM will be as bold as the marketing copywriters – or Nissan and Mitsubishi – and launch the car to the rest of the country where it can find new roads outside of Oregon and California.

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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (6:08 am)

    Electric motors theoretically do, but if this Chevy puts down all 400 pounds-feet from zero mph, it ought to do some long smoky front-wheel burnouts.

    It would be interesting to know how much and when torque is delivered. Even on the Volt… George?


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (7:20 am)

    Perhaps a race is in Order…. I remember watching an airbus vs race car stunt on YouTube , it was a great example of instant acceleration vs horsepower … Hint: The airbus needed a 10sec give to make it a race!

    Just make sure to set the finish line less than 100 ft away and take the baby seat out of the back of the spark…. No soul crushing allowed!


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (7:22 am)

    Eco_Turbo,

    400 Ft-lb up to 2000 rpm on the Spark.


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (7:43 am)

    Why do ad people at GM do stupid things like this?
    NOBODY is going to believe that a Spark can out perform a Ferrari!

    Yes, technically the motor has more torque, but it does not have the same torque at the wheel or the same horsepower. All most people will get from this is that GM lies.


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (7:47 am)

    Slightly OT, I read some time back that this motor is used in another GM car. Has this been discussed already? Are they referring to the new Volt or ELR?


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (8:10 am)

    When is GM going to spend it’s advertising budget on intelligent ads? Nobody knows or cares about torque other than the converted. To me it’s a silly ad…………….Just use the voltec technology as an option in all the vehicles that the masses want……don’t they get it?..A voltec van….pickup….Malibu?
    haroldC……………..


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (8:17 am)

    Roy_H:
    Why do ad people at GM do stupid things like this?
    NOBODY is going to believe that a Spark can out perform a Ferrari!

    Yes, technically the motor has more torque, but it does not have the same torque at the wheel or the same horsepower. All most people will get from this is that GM lies.

    The motor is better than a Ferrari engine, IMO. It weighs 75lbs. It is simple and elegant. The advantage that the Ferrari has is its transmission and the energy density of its fuel supply.

    But apples to apples, the engine of the Ferrari is nothing compared to the motor of the Spark EV.


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (8:45 am)

    What Peter Savagian, GM’s General Director for for Electric Drives and Electrification Systems Engineering, had to say about the Spark torque:
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    “I need to disabuse you of the mistaken notion that this motor has less than 400 ftlb of Torque. The Spark EV motor is designed and manufactured by GM. This motor makes 540 Nm (402 ftlbf) of Torque at stall and out to about 2000 rpm. This is not gear- multiplied axle torque, but actual motor shaft torque.”

    “The very high torque is motor performance that we are very proud of, and customers will notice the difference: (It has a gear reduction of 3.18 to 1, so the axle torque is the product of these two). This is a very low numerical reduction ratio, which has several great benefits – 1) Feels much better to drive. 3.18:1 is less than half of the reduction of all other EVs. This makes for extraordinary low driveline inertia, less than 1/5 of the driveline inertia of the Nissan Leaf and 1/4 that of the Fiat 500 EV. Their cars feel like you are driving around in second gear all day long; ours feels like fourth gear. 2) Lower gear mesh, spinning losses, and lower high speed electromagnetic losses mean very high drive unit efficiency. The Spark EV efficiency from DC current to delivered Wheel torque is 85% averaged over the city driving schedule and 92% when averaged over the highway schedule. This is the highest in the industry, and that is one of the reasons why the Spark EV sets the benchmark for most efficient car.”


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (9:34 am)

    Yeah, like I’m likely to 562 hp in a street car to do anything remotely legal. This sort of stuff makes for going wow until reality and common sense returns.


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (9:40 am)

    Roy_H:

    Why do ad people at GM do stupid things like this?
    NOBODY is going to believe that a Spark can out perform a Ferrari!

    They’ve done far worse. Volt Dancers, anyone? The Spark ad is worlds beyond the former sotto voce ‘feely’ Volt commercials that say essentially nothing while trying to appeal to emotions.

    This is a Country awash in stupid commercials; the aim is to stand out, not proffer erudite exposition of technical theory. This may not be ideal, but it’s how things are; and in this universe of stupid ads, this one is far from being the most offensive star.

    Consider trying decaffeinated coffee.


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (9:41 am)

    Eco_Turbo:

    It would be interesting to know how much and when torque is delivered. Even on the Volt… George?

    It has a lot to do with motor control. Here is an interesting article on it from Green Car Congress. The article is specifically about the Sparks motor and there are some interesting things in the article relative to motor control.

    Even more interesting than the control aspects is this statement from the article:

    The high-performance motor is shared with another—unnamed—electrified product,

    Another unnamed electrified project?????

    Maybe a 200 mile range BEV???

    http://www.greencarcongress.com/2013/07/spark-20130718.html


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (10:02 am)

    Roy_H:

    Yes, technically the motor has more torque, but it does not have the same torque at the wheel or the same horsepower.

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    Exactly Roy. That’s what most people don’t get. Not sure why so many negs. I erased one.


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (10:06 am)

    George S. Bower: The high-performance motor is shared with another—unnamed—electrified product,

    Wow, nice. Finally a morsel of info/hinting.


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (10:08 am)

    Roy_H: Why do ad people at GM do stupid things like this?

    I like this ad a lot. It markets EV’s as fun & peppy, instead of another typical ad of an EV driving by a wind-farm.


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (10:10 am)

    Roy_H:
    Why do ad people at GM do stupid things like this?
    NOBODY is going to believe that a Spark can out perform a Ferrari!

    Yes, technically the motor has more torque, but it does not have the same torque at the wheel or the same horsepower. All most people will get from this is that GM lies.

    GM didn’t lie. The Spark EV does have more torque in its motor than the Ferrari engine. It never stated that it has “the same torque at the wheel or the same horsepower.” You are not posting the truth. I bet that the Spark is faster than the Ferrari if both had the same gear ratio at zero RPM for the first five seconds, because the Ferrari needs time to spool up and it is heavier.

    But for the main purpose of the Spark as a city car, the Ferrari is a expensive piece of Italian junk!

    Raymond


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (10:21 am)

    “And no, the Ferrari’s peak torque is not at zero rpm, but hits relatively low at 3,250 rpm”. That is useless as a daily vehicle, because the best vehicles develop the most torque at the lowest RPM. MY Buick V6 has a low 600 RPM at idle, and can run up to 70 MPH with 1100 RPM. I did two simple add-ons to increase its low RPM torque and its MPG rating from 18 to 20, since I am a city driver and hardly go over 40 MPH in every day driving. This is why the Chevy Spark EV can be my perfect vehicle and will be a replacement for my 1995 Buick Regal.

    Raymond


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (10:36 am)

    All the Francis’ out there need to lighten up. No rational person is going to conclude the the Spark is a faster car than the Ferrari. The main message in the ad is a decent one … EVs are not golf carts, and have some decent pickup.

    Is it the “best” commercial? Not in my opinion. But the criticism that it’s not realistic is a bit silly.


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (10:39 am)

    kdawg: I like this ad a lot.It markets EV’s as fun & peppy, instead of another typical ad of an EV driving by a wind-farm.

    I agree kdawg.
    I think it’s a hell of a lot better commercial than any of the Volt commercials GM has done.


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (10:45 am)

    George S. Bower,

    I did like the series of Volt ads, when it appeared GM listened to us, and just had real drivers telling their stories of not buying gas and generally enjoying their cars.


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (10:47 am)

    Raymondjram,

    Raymond
    “But for the main purpose of the Spark as a city car, the Ferrari is a expensive piece of Italian junk!”
    l see you have probably never driven a Ferrari….in the city or in the country………
    Don’t forget the FUN FACTOR in driving……….
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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (10:53 am)

    haroldC:
    Raymondjram,

    Raymond
    “But for the main purpose of the Spark as a city car, the Ferrari is a expensive piece of Italian junk!”l see you have probably never driven a Ferrari….in the city or in the country………
    Don’t forget the FUN FACTOR in driving……….
    haroldC

    I don’t need any foreign supercar to have fun. My Regal can out accelerate most common cars here, but why waste gas for a few seconds of artificial pleasure?? If I had the Spark EV, I could have even more fun!

    If I had the money, a Tesla Roadster can out accelerate the most expensive Ferrari, and not use any gas!!!

    Raymond


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (11:05 am)

    haroldC: l see you have probably never driven a Ferrari….in the city or in the country………
    Don’t forget the FUN FACTOR in driving……….

    Raymondjram: If I had the money, a Tesla Roadster can out accelerate the most expensive Ferrari, and not use any gas!!!

    I did the sports car thing. I don’t see myself ever buying one again, as I got it out of my system. I guess a sports car might be a remote possibility only if it was a 100% EV, but I still doubt it. This doesn’t mean I don’t want a ‘sporty’ looking EV though. I do like a hi-tech sporty look.

    I think my Volt gets more looks than my sports car ever did.


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (11:12 am)

    (Perhaps) OT:

    I saw another new LEAF (dealer tag) yesterday. There are at least 5 others in my immediate neighborhood. GM could lose Spark sales if they roll it out as slowly as they did the Volt. I’ve heard that the nationwide roll out is late this year; I’d suggest it be as quickly as logistically possible if this is sooner rather than later.

    kdawg: I think my Volt gets more looks than my sports car ever did.

    When I show my Volt to friends and tell them it’s an electric car, they are always amazed by it’s looks. The cousin I saw yesterday said, “that’s an electric car?” and “I’m going to look into this.” I think there is a big market for people who would be willing to buy an electric car if they could find one that hasn’t been hit by the Japanese EV ‘ugly stick’ (and most have never heard of, or seen the Volt. Thanks a pantload, GM marketing).

    The Spark, like the Volt, falls into the “looks good” category; which emphasizes for me the urgency of an earlier roll out (and a snappy, attention-getting commercial).


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (11:17 am)

    I wish GM would reinvest some more of their advertising money into R&D with an immediate applicable benefit across all GM products.

    1) BMW will be taking approximately 400-600 lbs of weight out out their future cars by using composite carbon fiber in portions of their new vehicles
    2) The Composite Carbon Fiber R&D used for the i3 is immediately seeing benefit throughout the BMW range
    3) A 41K i3 with an excellent lease offer will impact the Volt and the Spark

    Is it time for GM to enter a technology sharing arrangement with an industry competitor to get the technology to the market quicker and at lower cost while reducing risk (GM & Nissan EV tech sharing agreement) ?

    The EV market is getting very competitive and is very unforgiving of products going stale.


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (11:18 am)

    Most viewers will remember the video. It clearly shows that the GM Spark is faster than a TESLA coil.

    Brilliant advertising from GM. It will help raise awareness of electric cars and their lighting fast performance.


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (11:28 am)

    Boy – talk about late to the party, Jeff… this ad has been hashed about for going on two weeks!

    This writeup has an InsideEVs kind of tone – a suspicious, questioning air of GM/Chevy motives behind whatever the subject is about.

    Well guess what – what they said is true. The Spark has a higher torque rating than a Ferrari. So what’s the big deal? No, it did not say ‘the Spark is faster than a Ferrari’ because it isn’t. But as Consumers Reports, Green Car Reports and others have testified, the Spark does perform very, very well.

    This kind of David vs. Goliath comparison in advertising is not new. Back in the mid 1960′s Ford stuffed a little more sound insulation into a Galaxie, gave it a vinyl top and fold down armrest in the back seat and called it an LTD — then went out and promoted it as ‘quieter than a Rolls Royce.”

    The commercials did not say “better than a Rolls-Royce” which many at the time felt Ford was trying to say, but simply ‘quieter’ which had truth to it. I think what Ford wanted out of that ad campaign was not to denigrate Rolls-Royce, but to put in people’s minds that the LTD had qualities like the finest luxury cars of the day.

    Similarly, the intention of the Spark ad is not to denigrate Ferrari, but to put in people’s minds that the EV Spark has a quality which makes it capable of standout performance.

    Those ‘quieter than’ ads helped the LTD become a big hit back in 1965 and forced Chevrolet to scramble together their own psuedo-luxury model which they named the Caprice. Rather than question the propriety of Chevy comparing the Spark to a long-hallowed icon of performance, let’s appreciate the message for what it is and hope that it leads to a similar level of sales success for the Spark and to sooner-rather-than-later market expansion throughout the USA.


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (11:30 am)

    Mark Z,

    the spark at 7.6 sec 0-60….slow lightning………..
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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (11:38 am)

    Roy_H: Why do ad people at GM do stupid things like this?
    NOBODY is going to believe that a Spark can out perform a Ferrari!

    I dunno, maybe because it’s both accurate AND effective? I am in love with this advertising because it represents a departure from the very lame “explanation” and “eco” messages we’ve seen so far from GM — all ineffective IMO. The absolute great thing about the Spark motor, as George has mentioned MORE than a few times (LOL), is that it gives you both performance AND efficiency. Yes the Spark is not going to compete with the Ferrari but the Ferrari isn’t going to get 110 MPGe nor will you be able to lease a new Ferrari for $199/month!

    This is really a standard marketing approach. Take a perceived leader in a segment and, on a relevant metric, make the point that you’re better. Didn’t Lexus or someone have a glass of champagne balanced when it accelerated “smoother than a Rolls Royce”? If you’ve got it, flaunt it.

    The Spark motor is a truly great idea. The big problem for EVs has been you can make them fast (Model S) or you can make them efficient (i-Mief) or you can use an expensive transmission to have them do both (Volt). The high torque motor in the Spark makes the car fast and efficient and cheap. It hits, as they might say, “on all cylinders”. What’s not to like?


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (11:50 am)

    A pickup was behind my Volt this morning… all I could hear is his loud exhaust.. I’m sure it had more than 400lb of torgue.. but when it was time to move .. all I could hear behind me is him going through the gears as my Volt silently left him in the dust…. effortlessly.


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (11:52 am)

    MotoEV: Is it time for GM to enter a technology sharing arrangement with an industry competitor to get the technology to the market quicker and at lower cost while reducing risk (GM & Nissan EV tech sharing agreement) ?

    The problem is that AFAICT GM is pretty far ahead on the technology. The BMW carbon fiber approach looks pretty dumb to me. If you want to go faster just use a larger motor. That’s cheaper, a lot cheaper, than using carbon fiber for body panels. (GM does have a car that uses a lot of carbon fiber, no?). As for Nissan, what technology does Nissan have that GM would want? It may have some but I don’t know about it. Tesla might have something to offer in the software area (web site, software updates, etc) but I’m not sure GM wants to open the kimono for that.

    The point is that you want a partner which has something substantial to contribute (note that GM had a R&D partnership with BMW and has one with Honda on hydrogen technology).

    stuart22: This writeup has an InsideEVs kind of tone – a suspicious, questioning air of GM/Chevy motives behind whatever the subject is about.

    The comparison between the reaction when GM says something obviously true and the fawning acceptance when Elon Musk says something asinine is jarring.


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (11:55 am)

    DonC:

    . The high torque motor in the Spark makes the car fast and efficient and cheap. It hits, as they might say, “on all cylinders”.

    What’s not to like?

    I still think they should figure out a way to get this Co axial transmission into gen 2 Volt….Yes they would have to scale it up a bit but so what. They could do it. It is clever little innovation that GM should capitalize on.

    It would also be a great unit as a baseline for a Tesla fighter.


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (12:01 pm)

    MotoEV: 3) A 41K i3 with an excellent lease offer will impact the Volt and the Spark

    I wouldn’t expect a good lease deal. This was just announced for the UK.

    36 month contract and paying an initial £2,995 incl. VAT ($4,590 USD) followed by monthly payments of £369 (incl. VAT) ($565 USD) and contract mileage of 24,000miles


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (12:04 pm)

    MotoEV: Is it time for GM to enter a technology sharing arrangement with an industry competitor to get the technology to the market quicker and at lower cost while reducing risk (GM & Nissan EV tech sharing agreement) ?

    GM did recently partner with Honda….. on fuel cells. LOL.


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (12:05 pm)

    Do those numbers reflect government incentives?

    http://www.automotivecouncil.co.uk/low-carbon-technology/grants-and-incentives/

    kdawg: I wouldn’t expect a good lease deal.This was just announced for the UK.

    36 month contract and paying an initial £2,995 incl. VAT ($4,590 USD)followedby monthly payments of £369 (incl. VAT) and contract mileage of 24,000miles


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (12:10 pm)

    If using the motor torque stat works to get people to take a test drive, then go ahead and brag a little. Once people take that test drive; well the car should sell itself! I sincerely hope GM built this car with the ability to make some profit so that they will be incline to want to sell as many as they can build. And for heaven sake, Dealers better keep these puppies charged-up and be knowledgeable about it, inside & out.


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (12:46 pm)

    stuart22,

    Ok, I agree that this ad is much better than some of the early Volt ads. And Stuart put it into much better perspective.


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (1:19 pm)

    George S. Bower: I still think they should figure out a way to get this Co axial transmission into gen 2 Volt….Yes they would have to scale it up a bit but so what. They could do it. It is clever little innovation that GM should capitalize on.

    Or, use the Spark unit to augment the existing Voltec setup for 4-wheel drive and extra power for a much larger EREV or BEV.*

    *It looks to me as though final ratio of the Spark motor could be raised by different gearing at the power split, to support higher overall speed.


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (1:29 pm)

    I had a Lotus Elise, which like all fast cars, really couldn’t use its potential around town in the greater metropolitan area of Los Angeles. At least, not without getting arrested or killed (or getting someone else killed). I didn’t have the time or money to go to track days frequently, so basically it got so frustrating not being able to drive the car like it was intended to be driven. At least the Lotus got almost 30 MPG mixed city/highway :)

    The next car I buy will almost certainly be electric in some way, it’s just too nice of a drive. And I’m sure in ten years, when my Volt might be needing replacement, I should have my pick of tons of electric sports cars :)


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (1:55 pm)

    Jackson: Or, use the Spark unit to augment the existing Voltec setup for 4-wheel drive and extra power for a much larger EREV or BEV.*

    Yeh,
    LOL looks like they have plenty of time to work on it :)


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (1:55 pm)

    Roy_H: Why do ad people at GM do stupid things like this?

    #4

    I’ve got to give you a +1 on this.

    A totally dumb ad IMHO.


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (1:57 pm)

    Eco_Turbo: if this Chevy puts down all 400 pounds-feet from zero mph, it ought to do some long smoky front-wheel burnouts.

    #1

    Yeah, something doesn’t compute, LOL. +1

    Maybe the traction control (if any) is working overtime.


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (2:00 pm)

    steve: This sort of stuff makes for going wow until reality and common sense returns.

    #9

    Or until the cops show up, LOL. +1


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (2:01 pm)

    kdawg: The Spark EV efficiency from DC current to delivered Wheel torque is 85% averaged over the city driving schedule and 92% when averaged over the highway schedule. This is the highest in the industry, and that is one of the reasons why the Spark EV sets the benchmark for most efficient car.”

    Many thanks for this post. First off, the ad is refreshing after those awful incongruent show room skits. So what its a bit factitious. SPARK does have something to crow about.

    Certainly no SPARK’s going to drag a 458 for titles….. But just look at all that free ink for the 458. I wouldn’t be surprised if GM didn’t run that ad by Fiat before releasing.

    Besides GM is finally getting back some of that No. 1 swagger…


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (2:03 pm)

    kdawg: This is the highest in the industry, and that is one of the reasons why the Spark EV sets the benchmark for most efficient car.”

    #8

    A wonderful thing, if true. Thanks for yet another cool link. +1


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (2:46 pm)

    GM stated the truth, the Spark EV has more torque than the Ferrari. GM never said it was faster. If they did will someone please post the link to that info.


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (2:54 pm)

    Noel Park: #4

    A totally dumb ad IMHO.

    What?

    You have to admit it’s better than aliens or global warming.

    Any input from your dealer on a test drive?


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (2:54 pm)

    kdawg: and contract mileage of 24,000miles

    #32

    So that’s 8K miles a year, right? A total non-starter for me, LOL. I wonder how much a mile if you go over.

    Thanks for ANOTHER great catch. +1


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (3:06 pm)

    OT Star Trek Fans:

    NASA experimenting with warp drive that could give spaceship speeds greater than the speed of light:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/23/science/faster-than-the-speed-of-light.html?hp


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (3:24 pm)

    I like the ad. It says the Spark is fun and zippy. That’s what I come away with. And from the initial reports, both are true.


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (3:36 pm)

    George S. Bower: NASA experimenting with warp drive that could give spaceship speeds greater than the speed of light:

    #48

    Maybe we should put them in touch with EEStor, LOL.


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (3:38 pm)

    OT: Brock Fiduciary Services Authorizes Sale Of 20 M Shrs Of GM — Part Of 50 M Shr Offering Including U.S. Treasury

    http://www.streetinsider.com/Press+Releases/Brock+Fiduciary+Services+Authorizes+Sale+of+20+Million+Shares+of+GM+–+Part+of+50+Million+Share+Offering+Including+U.S.+Treasury/8519271.html

    “The June 6 offering coincided with GM’s return listing on the S&P 500, after leaving the index in 2009 when the company declared bankruptcy. Treasury, which still owns nearly 14% of GM’s common stock, has vowed to fully exit its holdings by early 2014.”


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (3:54 pm)

    Noel Park: #32

    So that’s 8K miles a year, right?A total non-starter for me, LOL.I wonder how much a mile if you go over.

    Thanks for ANOTHER great catch.+1

    Wouldn’t work for me either, but don’t the people in the UK drive less than we do?


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (4:03 pm)

    George S. Bower:

    Any input from your dealer on a test drive?

    I’m sure Noel can give a lot of technical observations from a Spark EV test drive, but in case you’re interested, my opinion from my Spark EV test drive a few weeks back was:

    1) The car was very fast. Every time I floored the “gas”, it felt like the rear tires was about to spin and lose traction (it did not). Our Volt, in sport mode, felt slow afterward.
    2) The car felt just as fast in regular mode as it did in sport mode. If there was a difference, neither I or my son (who also test drove it) had felt a noticeable difference.
    3) Very small car. With my son and I both in the front seats, we were bumping elbows. Only the driver’s seat had an arm rest, the passenger seat did not.
    4) Very little leg room in the back. This would not be comfortable for any long period of time, but no one can be back there for long anyway since you can’t drive it for more than 80 miles. As far as I’m concerned, whoever is in the back can tolerate it enough for the limited distance.

    Hope this helps.


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (4:54 pm)

    George S. Bower:
    OT Star Trek Fans:

    NASA experimenting with warp drive that could give spaceship speeds greater than the speed of light:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/23/science/faster-than-the-speed-of-light.html?hp

    So THAT is how GM madeb the Spark EV faster than lightning!

    Raymond


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (5:04 pm)

    Kent: I’m sure Noel can give a lot of technical observations from a Spark EV test drive, but in case you’re interested, my opinion from my Spark EV test drive a few weeks back was:

    1)The car was very fast.Every time I floored the “gas”, it felt like the rear tires was about to spin and lose traction (it did not).Our Volt, in sport mode, felt slow afterward.
    2)The car felt just as fast in regular mode as it did in sport mode.If there was a difference, neither I or my son (who also test drove it) had felt a noticeable difference.
    3)Very small car.With my son and I both in the front seats, we were bumping elbows.Only the driver’s seat had an arm rest, the passenger seat did not.
    4)Very little leg room in the back.This would not be comfortable for any long period of time, but no one can be back there for long anyway since you can’t drive it for more than 80 miles.As far as I’m concerned, whoever is in the back can tolerate it enough for the limited distance.

    Hope this helps.

    Wow,
    thx for the input.
    Now if we could just figure out a way to spice it up a little in the looks dept.
    I think you can order some custom wheels from GM.
    Maybe someone will come out w/ an aero kit or something.
    Sounds like a fun car.


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (5:34 pm)

    This would make a great starting point for a Tesla fighter. Look how compact it is. It is every bit as compact as Teslas motor gearbox assembly.

    sparkcoaxialgearbox.jpg

    Tesla S

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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (6:13 pm)

    George S. Bower: Any input from your dealer on a test drive?

    #46

    The dealer says that they have one and to come on over and drive it. I’m going to try to do it tomorrow.

    I dunno, I kinda liked the space aliens.

    Edit: Well it looks like Kent beat me to it at #53. Thanks Kent. +1.

    I’ll try to cruise by there tomorrow anyway.


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (6:21 pm)

    Raymondjram: SoTHAT is how GM madeb the Spark EV faster than lightning!

    Raymond

    Yeah, or faster than a Ferrari anyway, LOL. +1


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (6:56 pm)

    Sometimes no advertising hype is needed…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLCdP6sMN9k


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (7:01 pm)

    Noel Park: #46

    Edit:Well it looks like Kent beat me to it at #53.Thanks Kent.+1.

    I’ll try to cruise by there tomorrow anyway.

    Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (7:14 pm)

    Eco_Turbo:
    Sometimes no advertising hype is needed…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLCdP6sMN9k

    It’s kind of OT but I just don’t like the sound of a V10.
    A V8 sounds so much nicer.
    That’s one reason I never liked the Viper.
    Gimmy a Vette any day.

    CAM00070_zps99769062.jpg


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (7:46 pm)

    George S. Bower: Gimmy a Vette any day.

    #61

    Now THAT’S what I’m talkin’ about! +1


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (8:13 pm)

    OK, here’s a Corvette vs laptop batteries…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUBQ5iu3VJ8


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (8:21 pm)

    Eco_Turbo:
    OK, here’s a Corvette vs laptop batteries…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUBQ5iu3VJ8

    Touche
    you win!


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (8:28 pm)

    Eco_Turbo:
    OK, here’s a Corvette vs laptop batteries…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUBQ5iu3VJ8

    George S. Bower: Touche
    you win!

    #63 & 64

    Wait a second, not so fast. That wasn’t the Corvette’s fault. That driver is about as much of a drag racer as I am, LOL. He was sitting there spinning his wheels while the Tesla was disappearing down the road. If you can’t make the thing hook up, get a driver who can.

    A few laps around Laguna Seca would be another story.


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (8:50 pm)

    Here’s yours truly in the one I shouldn’t have ever sold…

    http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c25/bboaze/biltmorecorvette-1.jpg


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (9:24 pm)

    George S. Bower: Touche
    you win!

    Not so fast, George. Watch this…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAGEDxgL1hk&feature=endscreen


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (9:33 pm)

    Eco_Turbo:
    Here’s yours truly in the one I shouldn’t have ever sold…

    http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c25/bboaze/biltmorecorvette-1.jpg

    Funny ECO.
    I had forgotten that one.
    but it was still in my sub conscience.
    I knew there was a reason I always appreciate your posts!!


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (9:34 pm)

    stuart22: Not so fast, George.Watch this…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAGEDxgL1hk&feature=endscreen

    See
    the Chevy always wins!
    12.1 vs 11.9

    I can still remember going to Lions Dragway in LA in around 66.

    The rails were just getting into the 5′ ves


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    Jul 22nd, 2013 (10:06 pm)

    George S. Bower,

    For your entertainment, I’ll drop in a MT video of the Ferrari from 2011 vs a Ducati.

    Sorry for the snarky tone of Spark vs Ferrari.

    Watch the video and see how well the Spark compares to the Italian car.


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    Jul 23rd, 2013 (1:04 am)

    Blind Guy:
    Dealers better keep these puppies charged-up and be knowledgeable about it, inside & out.

    When I was shopping for my first plug in vehicle I found Nissan was doing a much better job of educating their sales people than GM. From what I understand every Nissan dealer who sells Leafs has one person who is the Leaf expert and only that person can sell Leafs to customers.

    Last month I signed a lease on a 2013 Volt but ONLY because I had my heart set on getting a Volt. If I had been a typical car buyer without any bias I would have never purchased a Volt.


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    Jul 23rd, 2013 (1:22 am)

    George S. Bower: It’s kind of OT but I just don’t like the sound of a V10.
    A V8 sounds so much nicer.
    That’s one reason I never liked the Viper.
    Gimmy a Vette any day.

    Fun fact: That unique V8 sound is the result of uneven exhaust pulses.


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    Jul 23rd, 2013 (2:02 am)

    Why not have a commercial of a real spark out racing a Ferrari rather than one looking like a lighting bolt on steroids!

    GM needs to straighten there ads up and then the general public might believe in it after all rather then lame CGI.


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    Jul 23rd, 2013 (2:45 am)

    Roy_H,

    I’m with you Roy. I’m amazed how ‘torque’ seems to be confused in the readership here and elsewhere as to a measure of power and an explanation for the performance of the Spark. Obviously my aeronautical engineering education was wasted. I’ve already upset many, so will quietly hide again


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    Jul 23rd, 2013 (2:59 pm)

    Unnamed Electric vehicle.

    Hmmm,

    A Corvette with 2 spark drive units and a 100Kw battery, starting @ $100K. Then watch the people with more money or credit than… come out of the woodwork.


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    Jul 29th, 2013 (6:35 pm)

    I’d have to talk with you the following. Which is not something I usually carry out! I enjoy reading through a post that produce people feel. Also, appreciate your allowing me personally to opinion!
    david https://groups.diigo.com/group/qnbe-cxmx