Apr 18

Fisker is floundering

 

By Yoda
 

If Fisker looked like it had troubles while it was still making cars, its present state of affairs makes the former times of unexpected price increases, delays, recalls, bad reviews, and lost DOE loans look like the good old days.

This month the company was hit with three lawsuits, laid off 80 percent of its workers, was awarded but a pittance of the amount it sought from A123 Systems, and must make its first installment on a $193 million Energy Department loan in a few days.

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One suit as reported by GIGAOM was from its landlord which said five days ago Fisker has five days to pay $174,000 in rent for April or it will be evicted.

Another is a class-action suit by the employees it let go without being given 60-days notice under the WARN act.

Another suit also reported by GIGAOM is from its Web designer alleging Fisker owes $535,000 in unpaid bills.

The company has no real revenues coming in, is estimated to have $20 million cash on hand, and was waiting for the outcome of a suit of its own against the former A123 Systems now re-named B456.

(As a side note, no word was given as to whether the battery maker might later be re-named C789, or D101112, or E131415, or … )

Coming back on topic, Fisker had sought $139.9 million from its former battery supplier in Delaware bankruptcy court. Of this, $48.7 million was for breach of warranty, and $91.2 million was to compensate Fisker for A123’s failure to fulfill its contract.

The judge threw out the $91.2 million claim, and awarded but $15 million out of the primary claim to poor Fisker.

On Monday, Earth Day, Fisker is due to pay $20.2 million as its first installment on the $193 million it borrowed through an Energy Department loan, according to the Wall Street Journal.

And last week, the Wall Street Journal reported House Republicans are asking for a day of reckoning – formally known as a hearing – scheduled April 24.

This meeting of the minds will see Darrell Issa (R-CA) inquire of Fisker officials, including now-departed Henrik Fisker, CEO Tony Posawatz and COO Bernhard Koehler.

Issa told Automotive News that Fisker “is a design company, not a manufacturing company. It was destined to fail from the beginning. The greater concern is, does this affect more viable companies, whether they received loans or not?”

Does anyone think Fisker will not soon file the bankruptcy documents it has already had drawn up?

The rhetoric has been flying, and will continue no doubt. In our observation, Fisker has NOT often been fairly represented, and has often been painted from bad-to-the-worst possible light. No doubt as things have been, so shall they continue.

Now faced with several leaks in its proverbial ship we expect Fisker to be held up as an example by anyone and everyone who wants to make a point, be it well founded or not.

Some of you here at GM-Volt.com may already be pretty positive the world will be a better place with Fisker gone too.

But could it have gone down differently? What would it have taken for Fisker to still be up and running, even giving Tesla a run for its money?

Where did it all go wrong? Was it nothing but a fiasco to begin with? Is Issa right?

Or does somewhere in the middle, the truth lie?

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    Apr 18th, 2013 (6:22 am)

    The quote from Darrell Issa in the above article that “Fisker is a design company, not a manufact-
    uring company. It was destined to fail from the beginning”…
    is merely his over-simplified, politically-motivated excuse for Fisker’s pending failure. But Issa overlooks these major reasons…

    Henrik Fisker actually has considerable experience in manufacturing as well as in design. However, most of that experience is limited to contracted work for established major manufacturers such as Porsche and others. What Henrik Fisker lacks is the MANAGEMENT EXPERIENCE of the many other major elements of an automobile company, such as engineering, testing, reliability, marketing, etc. His manufacturing background has been primarily with major car makers under contract for either his 1) car assembly operations in Finland or for his 2) styling capabilities for new/updated car designs.*

    *One could argue that Elon Musk lacked this experience as well, but the difference is that Elon hired highly-experienced people in the numerous areas he was lacking, and worked very closely with them.


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    Apr 18th, 2013 (6:31 am)

    Starting a car company in this day an age is a very tall order ask.

    The more EV manufactures the better, it’s not good to see them go under – sad but realistically
    at the same time they do tarnish their EV brand.

    That’s what makes Tesla and even GM with the Volt – so remarkable as they both have wanted to make a quality product. Do things better, so as to give EV’s a great name and reputation.
    Which I believe they have.

    You really have to have the right people, design, product and economic planets to be aligned
    so start up Tesla in the same shoes is simply amazing to say the least.


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    Apr 18th, 2013 (6:35 am)

    I seriously doubt they can file anything other than Ch7 (liquidation). Highly unlikely any bank or other investor would supply DIP funding.


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    Apr 18th, 2013 (7:04 am)

    nasaman: It was destined to fail from the beginning”

    Thanks for mentioning that, nasaman, I had read the word “destined” as “designed”.


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    Apr 18th, 2013 (7:33 am)

    The current disasters in Boston and Texas will decrease the news coverage of Fisker failure. It is a sad time in which we live. So much loss, pain and suffering.


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    Apr 18th, 2013 (7:54 am)

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    Apr 18th, 2013 (8:36 am)

    Issa is an idiot, on a witch hunt to bolster his name.

    Fisker did not deceive DOE, starting up a new car business is about the most risky thing you can attempt. DOE is there to take risks, the normal public would not in order to advance electrification of the auto fleet. They knew some of their investments were likely to fail. That does not mean they should not have been made.

    If the DOE is restricted to super safe investments, no investments would be required at all as the private investment companies would jump in anyway.


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    Apr 18th, 2013 (8:49 am)

    In the beginning I posted negative remarks against Fisker, deriding their outsource everything approach, minimal utility, and rush to market without more testing and refinement. I pointed out that the Volt was in fact a much superior car from an engineering standpoint, but I liked its styling. Later I was rooting for Fisker hoping they would succeed despite my misgivings. Sorry to see them go, but not surprised.

    Another blow to them was of course Hurricane Sandy. Anybody know what the insurance company eventually paid? I got the impression it was a small percentage of the damage. One wonders if they would have succeeded if A123 had been successful, and they had no battery problems, and if there was no hurricane Sandy.


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    Apr 18th, 2013 (9:06 am)

    Unfortunately just more fodder for Fox news and the conservatives. In any new tech the weaker must fail for the strong to survive. Take Care, TED

    Mark Z did you get my phone message from the dental office yesterday?


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    Apr 18th, 2013 (9:24 am)

    A123 is now B456? Really?

    Has this changed their economic situation in any way?

    Can C789 be far behind?? ;-)


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    Apr 18th, 2013 (9:27 am)

    Well, those who actually have Fiskers will soon own cars that are extremely rare; and may be able to get their money back from museums in a few years. Fisker may become the Tucker of the 21st century, and for similar reasons.


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    Apr 18th, 2013 (9:27 am)

    Or does somewhere in the middle, the truth lie?

    Written by Yoda, this article was.


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    Apr 18th, 2013 (10:06 am)

    montgoss: Written by Yoda, this article was.

    With this what is up? ;-)


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    Apr 18th, 2013 (10:42 am)

    montgoss: Written by Yoda, this article was.

    Right you are; his byline have I added in. ;)


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    Apr 18th, 2013 (11:30 am)

    TedinFortMyers:
    Unfortunately just more fodder for Fox news and the conservatives.

    Let’s give them a chance to react before we do. As far as EVs themselves are concerned, I get the impression that “Obama-mobile” mania has calmed down, or perhaps become old hat at last.

    For the company itself to fail after receiving government funding is another matter.


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    Apr 18th, 2013 (11:42 am)

    Another suit also reported by GIGAOM is from its Web designer alleging Fisker owes $535 million in unpaid bills.
    ————————-

    Note to self: Become web designer.


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    Apr 18th, 2013 (12:04 pm)

    They are toast. My impression was this is a design over function car, a chance for Fisker to create his dream design. I always thought they faced very long odds. Now it’s simply a death watch.


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    Apr 18th, 2013 (12:30 pm)

    Roy_H: Issa is an idiot, on a witch hunt to bolster his name.

    #7

    True that. +1

    If not Fisker, it would be somebody else. It’s what he does. He’s the one who helped start the movement to get rid of Gray Davis and give us the Governator, LMAO. Another jewel in the crown of “The Nut State”.


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    Apr 18th, 2013 (12:36 pm)

    Steverino:
    They are toast. My impression was this is a design over function car, a chance for Fisker to create his dream design. I always thought they faced very long odds. Now it’s simply a death watch.

    #17

    Yeah, that’s about it. +1

    Actually, I thought that it was some sort of a scam from the get-go, but I was never smart enough to figure out how they were going to get the money out of it. Unless part of the DOE in the Caymans, LOL. Maybe it was just Fisker’s ego trip. Anyway, it puts me in the mind of “Dandy” Don Meredith on the old Monday Night Football broadcasts singing:

    “Turn Out The Lights, The Party’s Over”


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    Apr 18th, 2013 (12:39 pm)

    Jackson: A123 is now B456?Really?

    Has this changed their economic situation in any way?

    Can C789 be far behind??

    #10

    Who says the Chinese don’t have a sense of humor? +1

    That’s the funniest part of the article. Yoda also a good sense of humor has. As Statik might say, “Tres drole”


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    Apr 18th, 2013 (12:47 pm)

    Roy_H: Issa is an idiot, on a witch hunt to bolster his name.

    And I think he is fulfilling his end of a contract w/lobbyists. (call me a conspiracy nut)

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    Apr 18th, 2013 (12:53 pm)

    kdawg: And I think he is fulfilling his end of a contract w/lobbyists. (call me a conspiracy nut)

    #21

    Conspiracy is Darrell’s middle name, LOL. If you did a Google search on him you would see some really amazing stuff. Before he went into politics he made his money in some early aftermarket car alarm business, if memory serves. A business which burned down under what some thought to be very suspicious circumstances. It takes one to know one, as the fella said.


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    Apr 18th, 2013 (1:02 pm)

    What’s unfortunate in this whole mess is that when I go to EV meetups and car shows, the Fisker by far turns heads more than any other car, even the Model S. We got a test drive/ride on the University of Maryland campus and it got A LOT of looks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QFIW7S_aw8&list=UUfrqZM2bPb7JzxXsB5HnXRA&index=9


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    Apr 18th, 2013 (1:20 pm)

    unni: and those hired GM guys spoiled it

    How can you come down on Tony P? Once he went to Fisker, I actually bumped up their chance of surviving from 1% to 5%. (LOL :) )

    Poor Tony, I wonder where he will go now? Will GM accept him back? Maybe he can help Lutz out with VIA.

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    Apr 18th, 2013 (1:28 pm)

    GM should buy the assets of Fisker, and forget about the liabilities, just like they did with their own bankruptcy.

    Then, they should fix what needs fixed on the car, produce it, and sell it.

    No one can deny that is is a spectacularly beautiful automobile…..

    I feel for the people that spent their money on them and now have no support available. Which is why I would never buy a car from a startup company.

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    Apr 18th, 2013 (1:32 pm)

    If you stop obsessing on the fact that said company is an EV manufacturer, this shouldn’t be so surprising.

    If two sandwich shops set up in a town, in a couple year’s time, chances are one of them will be gone.

    ANY business involves some level of risk. MANY of any kind will fail. But an EV business that fails isn’t an indication of poor demand for the product, any more than a failed sandwich shop means people don’t like sandwiches.


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    Apr 18th, 2013 (1:44 pm)

    Fisker really needs to close up shop before they bleed anymore money. It was fun while it lasted. They need to sell their car designs to Tesla or something and roll up the rug.


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    Apr 18th, 2013 (1:48 pm)

    ORT,
    Sign a petition to allow auto manufactures to sell directly to the public if they choose to.
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/overturn-franchise-laws-limit-auto-manufacturers-selling-their-vehicles-directly-consumers/rlShbLzr

    NPNS!
    Volt#671


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    Apr 18th, 2013 (2:56 pm)

    OT: Tesla stock is at an all time high, $47.16


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    Apr 18th, 2013 (3:11 pm)

    Starting a car company from scratch is impossible for an individual or a group of small investors in the modern world. Development, design, dealer networks, parts supplies, manufacturing, all take billions of dollars. In this day and age, usually only a government can sponsor such a project. The only successful car companies to arise in the last 30 years were Hyundai/Kia and they had (and continue to have) the backing of the S. Korean government. The Chinese car industry is heavily subsidized by the Chinese government and it’s still not exporting cars to the west yet. The same was true for the Japanese car (and motorcycle) industry in the 60′s and 70′s. Even today it is legally impossible to import cars into Japan, their market is completely protected.

    One good thing about Fisker’s impending collapse, somebody will be able to pick up a 7/8 designed car for .00001% of the price. Maybe GM / Chrysler will buy it.


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    Apr 18th, 2013 (3:14 pm)

    Noel Park: Conspiracy is Darrell’s middle name, LOL. If you did a Google search on him you would see some really amazing stuff. Before he went into politics he made his money in some early aftermarket car alarm business, if memory serves. A business which burned down under what some thought to be very suspicious circumstances. It takes one to know one, as the fella said.

    Issa is something of an enigma. As reported here by Noel certainly a checkered record. He is a self-made jillionaire whereas the wealthiest Rep in Congress. His wealth mostly through a auto-related electronic alarm business, and here he is deriding a fellow start-up. Right in his own backyard! Indeed Issa should be rooting for getting these Fisker troubles up and running and U.S. jobs.

    Instead, Issa is doing his very best to put Fisker under–kicking a start-up when its down. Its fair to say Issa is a legend in his own mind–putting mouth in gear without engaging brain.

    As for Fisker’s looming Chapter filing, there are many ways to skin a cat and likewise refinance Fisker. I’m an optimist and still believe Fisker can find a way out.


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    Apr 18th, 2013 (3:21 pm)

    kdawg:
    OT: Tesla stock is at an all time high, $47.16

    #29

    Thereby proving that P.T. Barnum was right IMHO. There’s another one born every minute.

    I think that solo’s comments on Fisker at #30 apply equally to Tesla. Even Elon can run out of money eventually.


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    Apr 18th, 2013 (3:27 pm)

    solo: Maybe GM / Chrysler will buy it.

    #30

    I agreed with you 100% until the last sentence, LOL.

    I thought that Bop Lutz had some kind of a scheme to put Corvette engines in them. Maybe they can sell it to VIA.


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    Apr 18th, 2013 (3:32 pm)

    kdawg: Poor Tony, I wonder where he will go now? Will GM accept him back?

    #24

    I hope that he retired out of GM. As I said before, I hope that he got some kind of a “signing bonus”, or a couple of years salary up front from Henrick, either one in CASH.

    If he still has to work maybe he can go to the Fatherland and help out good old Frank Weber. Judging by what I’ve seen of BMW’s little “zero emissions” car with its trick “range extender”, Frank could use the help, LOL.


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    Apr 18th, 2013 (3:40 pm)

    Energy Tyrant:
    If you stop obsessing on the fact that said company is an EV manufacturer, this shouldn’t be so surprising.

    If two sandwich shops set up in a town, in a couple year’s time, chances are one of them will be gone.

    ANY business involves some level of risk.MANY of any kind will fail.But an EV business that fails isn’t an indication of poor demand for the product, any more than a failed sandwich shop means people don’t like sandwiches.

    The only thing wrong with your analogy is that if a sandwich shop goes broke, they have not sucked out $193,000,000 of our tax money that is very doubtful will get paid back……

    JMHO

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    Apr 18th, 2013 (6:28 pm)

    Another OT, but after reading the article linked below, I thought of a good Volt ad for women.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/saudiarabia/10000341/Saudi-Arabia-deports-irresistible-men-deemed-too-handsome-to-women.html

    With a majority Sunni Muslim population, Saudi Arabia is a deeply religious and ultraconservative society which forbids women from interacting with unrelated males and refuses to accord them with the same rights as men.
    It is the only country in the world where women are banned from driving.

    So how about an ad towards the ladies saying, “Do you want to keep buying gas and giving money to those who would prevent you from driving in the first place?”


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    Apr 18th, 2013 (8:31 pm)

    Here’s an interesting coincidence. I just picked up the April 2013 issue of Road & Track and what to my wondering eyes should appear but a column on page 11 about Bob Lutz and his project to put Corvette drive lines in Fiskers. No, I am not making this up. And…………

    “Lutz also penned a new front fascia for the Karma coachbuild, which drops the catfish face for a cleaner, more sculptured look.”

    You go Bob!


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    Apr 18th, 2013 (10:30 pm)

    kdawg:
    Another suit also reported by GIGAOM is from its Web designer alleging Fisker owes $535 million in unpaid bills.
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    Note to self: Become web designer.

    What happened to my post correcting this? Fisker owes $535 thousand to Ignited.

    Oh, I see the article has been corrected.


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    Apr 18th, 2013 (10:40 pm)

    montgoss,

    Not Long Ago And Not Far Away…

    Doomed To The Dark Side Of Murphy’s Law She Was-

    1) Fisker Karma misses original sales launch date of August, 2009, with the first US deliveries occurring in July 26, 2011.

    2) Qualifying For The D. O. E. Advanced Green Energy loans in April 2010 totaling $529,000,000 Fisker later went on to miss several required milestones and the funds were cut off at the $193,000,000 mark in the spring of 2012.

    3) December 11, 2011, a coolant leak at a hose clamp, affecting battery stabilization and a potential for combustion resulted in the suspension of sales and the recall of 239 cars.

    4) In early August 2012, the discovery of a defective cooling fan caused another recall involving almost all Karmas’, some 2,400 to replace the component.

    5) A later resolved discovery of an improper weld within the Traction Battery by a Systems A123 welding robot. This prompted the complete failure of the car by a well known product evaluation company.
    Consumers Reports was NOT amused with the complete failure of their newly purchased, $108,000 Automobile.
    Battery was replaced within a week but the damage was done!

    6) A very widely reported house fire in Sugarland Texas heavily damaged a garage, and three cars inside including the Owners Karma Fisker. While the local authorities attributed the home fire to the Fisker Karma, to date, neither the NHTSA or the official investigators have arrived at a cause-
    ( To this date, I can not find any official resolve )

    7) August 12, 2012, an Owner returns to his Karma in a parking lot only to find the right front of the car smoldering, well, doing a little more then that!. Attributed by Fisker Engineers to be the result of a low temperature cooling fan that had overheated. This time a video goes viral for all the world to see.

    8) On October 16th, 2012A123 Systems ( Now in restructure, rebaged as B456 Systems Inc ) declares insolvency. As the only supplier of the Fisker Karma High Voltage Battery, production ceases.

    9) Sandy, the ultimate Dark Side Murphy’s Law Effect.
    Hurricane Sandy, demolishing scores of new cars on the docks of the East Coast on the night of October 29, 2012, had a particular disastrous impact on 16 Karma Fiskers to the extent that a claimed 13′ storm surge had inundated the area. The next day the carnage was discovered. There had been a massive combustion and the pictures that went viral were disastrous.
    Another 330 additional Fiskers, flood soaked, were lost as well.

    10) After the above mention loss the company, XL Group Plc, insuring the Fisker Karma declined to cover the loss estimated to be $33,000,000. Fisker promptly sued and attempted to bring a court order for compensation.

    11) February 21, 2012, Fisker and XL Group Plc discontinue Court action. No official reason given.

    12) Henrik Fisker resigns!

    13) Issa and the Hearing- April 24th, 2013-

    Not Long Ago And Not Far Away…

    Doomed To The Dark Side Of Murphy’s Law She Was-

    “Or does somewhere in the middle, the truth lie?” Montgoss 04-18-2013

    Best-

    Thomas J. Thias

    selling volts at sundance

    @AmazingChevVolt


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    Apr 18th, 2013 (10:52 pm)

    solo,

    There are a few GM dealerships in Japan. About $46k for a Camaro RS. I think the most popular GM car in Japan is the Corvette. http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78230


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    Apr 19th, 2013 (12:17 am)

    Im entering into a $500 raffle for a 2 year lease on one. Odds aren’t bad as only 60 tickets have been sold. Should I enter? If they go bankrupt who will service the car?


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    Apr 19th, 2013 (12:32 am)

    kdawg:
    Another suit also reported by GIGAOM is from its Web designer alleging Fisker owes $535 million in unpaid bills.
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    It is $535,000 not $535 million.

    Note to self: Become web designer.


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    Apr 19th, 2013 (8:28 pm)

    Voice of Reason,

    It was million when I typed that.
    It’s was also a joke.