Jan 16

VIA Motors Announces E-REV Van For Verizon, E-REV SUV For PG&E

 

By Pete Brissette

Verizon Communications is adding to its vast vehicle fleet an extended-range electric vehicle (E-REV) cargo van developed and produced by VIA Motors, while Pacific Gas and Electric Company will add a VIA E-REV sport utility to its fleet.

The announcements came during the 2013 Detroit Auto Show.

VIA, a vehicle company that converts gasoline engine vehicles into E-REVs and EVs, will build the van based on Verizon’s direction and fleet concepts, and expects the van to achieve 100 miles per gallon with near zero emissions. Verizon says it will now test and deploy two of the vans in New Jersey and New York.

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VIA board member and former GM Vice Chairman, Bob Lutz, unveiled the Verizon vans Monday during auto show.

“By demonstrating that going green can also be good business, large fleets like Verizon’s can have a significant influence on the direction of the auto industry and help accelerate the adoption of clean vehicles like Via’s electric work vans,” said Lutz.

In 2008, PG&E partnered with VIA Motors to develop the first E-REV pickup truck. The two companies unveiled the trucks at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit in January 2012.

“VIA’s partnership with PG&E, and the introduction of the world’s first extended-range electric work trucks, SUVs, and cargo vans in their fleet, marks a turning point in the electrification of the industry’s fleets,” said Lutz.

“VIA’s new vehicles have the potential to transform the way we at PG&E manage electrical outages, and to help us provide safer, more reliable service for our customers,” said PG&E Senior Vice President Greg Pruett. “We’re excited about our ongoing work with Via Motors as we develop new and innovative ways to green our utility fleet.”

Verizon says the average total miles per day traveled by its fleet is low, the company expects the new vans to operate entirely under electric power most days. Doing so would save the company about 750 gallons of gasoline annually.

VIA says it anticipates the Verizon electrified work vehicles should improve fleet fuel economy by up to 300 percent while cutting emissions in half or more. The vehicles lithium-ion batteries are capable of up to 40 miles of all-electric range according to the company, and offer the added capability to drive additional miles by using the onboard electric generator, or “range extender.”

In addition, the vehicle’s exportable power system option can provide 15 kilowatts of continuous 120-volt or 240-volt power for emergency or job-site application.

The van’s dashboard is equipped with a removable tablet, which the company hopes will prevent distracted driving by providing voice prompts and easy-to-read route information. Verizon says it will also provide additional tech features, including fuel and route optimization, vehicle maintenance and diagnostics, emergency assistance, and voice and data service.

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    Jan 16th, 2013 (6:23 am)

    Via Motors should have a way to lock the removable tablet to avoid theft and allow use while safely secure.

    Now large families who love to travel together have an E-REV alternative to ICE transportation.


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (6:57 am)

    What could be more American than vehicles this big that make Prius’ look like “gas guzzlers”?


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (8:50 am)

    Congratulations to Verizon for being a pioneer in fleet electrification. The company I worked for (P.R. Telephone Company) was owned by GTE and later by Verizon between 1999 and 2009, so I know how Verizon works. I hope all communication companies follow Verizon’s example.

    Raymond


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (9:37 am)

    From the article: In addition, the vehicle’s exportable power system option can provide 15 kilowatts of continuous 120-volt or 240-volt power for emergency or job-site application.

    This makes SO much sense. The EREV system is perfect for this.

    My question is: Why doesn’t the Volt have a 110v outlet as a built-in option? This would be for:
    a) backup during power outages
    b) power at remote locations (new construction sites, camping, outdoor concerts, etc)
    c) 110v devices while driving (e.g. laptop chargers)

    A single 15-amp 110v grounded circuit would cover all of this. If GM priced this option less than a typical portable generator from Home Depot, I’m sure they would sell a lot of them.

    I know you can hook up an interver to the 12v battery terminals, but this won’t give you 15-amps, and may have warranty issues. Besides, it’s a lot easier to build a 110v interver that starts with the higher voltage from the Li/Ion battery. It might even be just a few more components on the DC-DC converter board.


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (10:01 am)

    I know GM is poised to make money on every vehicle VIA sells, after all every VIA Truck, SUV and now VAN is a new GM vehicle that’s been converted. The only issue with this arrangement is lack of customer consideration GM is displaying buy not building the vehicle outright in turn saving the customer a few grand. It’s obvious there is a market for these vehicles and I’m sure if the price were lower than what VIA charges that market base would grow. IMO, every VIA that sells will tarnish the GM Cares about their customer image. I hate to put Bob out of a job, but please GM cut out the middle man and start making your own Voltec based Trucks, SUV and VANs.

    NPNS!
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    Jan 16th, 2013 (10:08 am)

    It’s good someone picked up the EREV-van torch, after Bright Automotive closed its doors.


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (10:11 am)

    Nelson: I know GM is poised to make money on every vehicle VIA sells, after all every VIA Truck, SUV and now VAN is a new GM vehicle that’s been converted. The only issue with this arrangement is lack of customer consideration GM is displaying buy not building the vehicle outright in turn saving the customer a few grand. It’s obvious there is a market for these vehicles and I’m sure if the price were lower than what VIA charges that market base would grow. IMO, every VIA that sells will tarnish the GM Cares about their customer image. I hate to put Bob out of a job, but please GM cut out the middle man and start making your own Voltec based Trucks, SUV and VANs.

    What I don’t understand is if they are buying the complete truck from GM, what happens to the old drive-train? Does it get sold for spare parts, possibly back to GM? Or is VIA buying everything but the drive-train from GM?


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (10:16 am)

    Dave G: My question is: Why doesn’t the Volt have a 110v outlet as a built-in option?

    I’d probably buy this option for $500. If I camped more, maybe I’d pay more.

    Another question is it says the van has 15kW of aux power. Is this less/more/the same as the VIA Trux aux power?

    15kW = 20HP


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (10:18 am)

    kdawg: What I don’t understand is if they are buying the complete truck from GM, what happens to the old drive-train? Does it get sold for spare parts, possibly back to GM? Or is VIA buying everything but the drive-train from GM?

    Good question. I was wondering the same thing.


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (10:46 am)

    Dave G: This makes SO much sense.The EREV system is perfect for this.

    My question is: Why doesn’t the Volt have a 110v outlet as a built-in option?This would be for:
    a) backup during power outages
    b) power at remote locations (new construction sites, camping, outdoor concerts, etc)
    c) 110v devices while driving (e.g. laptop chargers)

    A single 15-amp 110v grounded circuit would cover all of this.If GM priced this option less than a typical portable generator from Home Depot, I’m sure they would sell a lot of them.

    I know you can hook up an interver to the 12v battery terminals, but this won’t give you 15-amps, and may have warranty issues.Besides, it’s a lot easier to build a 110v interver that starts with the higher voltage from the Li/Ion battery.It might even be just a few more components on the DC-DC converter board.

    I agree, so much so that I have made a custom kit available for Volt owners that want this functionality. It fits into the Volt with no permanent modifications, and provides this functionality, without any visible wires in the cabin of the vehicle.

    http://www.evextend.com/Emergency-Power-Kit.php

    Simply hook up an inverter when power is needed via a fast mating DC power connector and turn on the vehicle, and you’re good to go.


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (11:17 am)

    Mark Z:
    Via Motors should have a way to lock the removable tablet to avoid theft and allow use while safely secure.

    Now large families who love to travel together have an E-REV alternative to ICE transportation.

    I saw the VIA truck at the auto show yesterday and asked about the iPad. VIA rep said they are planning a removable, in-dash mount for both security and user flexibility. I thought their whole line-up was rad! Love this and love my Chevy Volt!
    Mark Z,

    Mark Z:
    Via Motors should have a way to lock the removable tablet to avoid theft and allow use while safely secure.

    Now large families who love to travel together have an E-REV alternative to ICE transportation.

    Mark Z,


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (11:18 am)

    Verizon is adding a VIA truck and PG&E is adding a VIA SUV to their vast fleets?!

    That will keep VIA Motors in business…


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (11:19 am)

    kdawg,

    The removed drive trains get resold in the market.


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (11:20 am)

    Dave G: Good question.I was wondering the same thing.

    The removed drive train gets resold in the market.


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (11:23 am)

    All the VIA execs drive a Chevy Volt as their main cars and love them! The extended-range electric vehicle simply makes sense.


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (11:27 am)

    At what point will GM buy a large part of VIA and shut it down?

    The longer VIA stays alive, the more GM looks as if it doesn’t want to
    dominate the truck market. Even a 20 mile AER EREV fullsize truck
    made in GM plants and sold in dealerships would put Ford on it’s heels.
    Ford has lead truck sales for over a decade – Chevrolet and GMC together
    trail behind. While Ford displays it’s “Atlas” F-150 concept at Detroit this
    year, it’s only plain Ford intends to continue the big square huge truck
    segment into bigger, squarer and “huger”…. An EREV truck using Voltec
    would put Ford into a panic!

    RECHARGE! ,

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    Jan 16th, 2013 (11:44 am)

    Ford will own fleets after 2014. The big three U.S. automakers
    have hidden behind the 1963 “Chicken Tax” for decades, peddling
    commercial vans that haven’t changed their gas-sucking V-8s and
    archaic mechanicals. FINALLY – Ford has realized an advantage
    to be taken by introducing it’s latest iteration European commercial
    van ( Transit ) to be known here as the T – Series in North America.
    T-Series will be built in Kansas City and will rival Mercedes ( White-
    Freightliner ) Sprinters to fill fleets from coast-to-coast. Ford’s
    Sprinter fighter will dominate the market as Sprinters have to be
    built in Germany, disasssembled, shipped and rebuilt in the USA due
    to the Chicken Tax. Ford’s van will have CNG,LPG kits, and E-85
    capability, plus diesel and 5 cyl. gas options.

    GM has no response to this. It’s as if they have been caught with their
    pants down. It makes me wonder who is running the show at
    GM headquarters. Some Renault vans have been seen running around
    Canada, and some feel GM will use these to counter, but it will
    take years for this to happen… Why is GM so dead to market need?

    Have they not seen the Fed Ex, DHL and bakery Sprinters all over town?!

    Just like Suburbans, Escalades, Tahoes and C/K trucks, GM is late to
    the show and slow to identify market conditions and needs. For
    decades there has been a pent-up need for diesel commercial and RV vans/chassis
    with CNG/LPG and gas/E-85 capability but they keep milking the
    existing laws. This proves my long-time point that GM only moves
    when the government mandates force them to. GM could lead with
    Voltec EREV but they choose the path of least resistance.

    Ford’s Econoline or E-Series has been with us for ages, now to
    be replaced by the T-Series in two wheelbases and several roof
    heights. Not far behind will be the latest European ( Tourneo ) van
    called Transit Connect here in the ‘States. The current Transit
    Connect has an EV version, which has been merely a compliance
    experiment for a few fleets. The van is built in Turkey with windows
    and seats, which are removed here and recycled, again to get
    past the absolutely ridiculous Chicken Tax.
    The new Connect ( Google “Tourneo” for photos – nice! ) will
    be built in Valencia, Spain and again shipped with windows and seats
    to be removed in Baltimore, USA. Some Connects will be sold
    with seats as people movers ( Ford denys the term “minivan” )
    Hopefully, we’ll see a larger dose of EV versions.

    GM continues to cast a blind eye to this market. Chrysler is eyeing
    the choice of sending Fiat vans here. GM seems the Giant
    that takes years to wake up from it’s deep sleep.

    ( Plug In ) POWER TO THE PEOPLE! ,

    James

    Why has GM hid behind the Chicken Tax for so many
    decades? Why do they seem asleep at the wheel to
    challenge Ford? Why buy GM stock when they seem
    locked into their old ways?
    Expect GM to either A) ignore VIA or
    B) Buy them ( Bright Idea ) and make them
    disappear.


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (11:45 am)

    Kay: The removed drive trains get resold in the market.

    If this is true, it would be interesting to know what they are sold for.

    Then we could take the MSRP of the GM truck, subtract the $ from the sold parts, and figure out from the MSRP of the VIA truck/van how much it cost VIA to do all the work and add in their parts (plus some profit).

    Does VIA pay MSRP for the GM trucks?

    If GM put the VIA drive train in originally, there would be quite a bit of labor savings, which would reduce the price of the VIA, however there would also be some upfront costs to build the automation for the GM plant. I assume the VIA vehicles are hand-built, no assy line.


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (11:50 am)

    VIA is the test bed for these types of trucks or vans, if they sell well the majors will move in and start making them….

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    Jan 16th, 2013 (11:59 am)

    I was thinking VIA motors looked good until I found out that they will doing these conversions in MEXICO… get the stupid Americans to do all the design work then ship all the jobs Mexico.

    Officially OFF my list.


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (12:01 pm)

    I’d be surprised if GM doesn’t sell the vehicles to VIA without drivetrain out of the factory. Seems like that would be fairly easy to do for their old friend Bob Lutz.

    I am so proud of VIA for being so flexible and getting so many vehicles to market. This is American ingenuity. I think this is a really great business model. While I respect Fisker and all the other startups for trying to design and build the vehicles themselves, this way just seems better for everyone. Customers get a proven and refined vehicle with all of the safety features and engineering done for them, and easily accessible parts, the startup company doesn’t have to spend billions going through the growing pains of learning by trial and error how to build a vehicle from scratch and suffering through low economies of scale (that’s gotta be expensive), and the automaker supplying the vehicle gets sales as well as part of the glory of these green vehicles being on the road. Plus these startups are outsoucring a lot of parts anyway. When you see a plug in Escalade or Chevy truck or Van, it helps Cadillac and Chevy’s brand a lot.

    As for fleet sales beginning, I’m somewhat excited but there’s still a long way to go. I was expecting more fleet sales by this point in the game.

    I really like the removable ipad idea. I mean, at $500 retail (from Apple.com) cost – you get you a GPS, and it can give you all of the salient display information for the electric drive (I assume is the idea) so that the vehicles don’t have to be retrofit with the battery state of charge and driving mode display etc.. Plus…you get an ipad for when you’re not using the vehicle.

    They are really cutting down the costs of these vehicles over what, say, Tesla has done where they have designed the entire vehicle, outsourced parts from everywhere, and have the purpose built lcd screen etc.


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (12:09 pm)

    Kay: The removed drive train gets resold in the market.

    #13

    I dunno, I thought I saw that they were buying them as “gliders”. GM has sold vehicles that way before, I believe. With VIA’s Lutz connection, it would seem pretty likely that they could make such a deal. Do you have a reference for that maybe?


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (12:12 pm)

    ClarksonCote: I agree, so much so that I have made a custom kit available for Volt owners

    Go Cote. Hope you prosper on your venture.


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (12:17 pm)

    vdiv:
    Verizon is adding a VIA truck and PG&E is adding a VIA SUV to their vast fleets?!

    That will keep VIA Motors in business…

    #12

    Yeah, that was my first reaction too, LOL. +1

    I have been totally “from Missouri” regarding VIA. On the other hand, if they are “partnering” with PG&E and Verizon, maybe they are making money doing it on some sort of a cost plus basis. Hey, if every big corporation in the U.S. bought one as part of their “green cred” PR campaigns, maybe there’s a business model there, LOL. “Maximum Bob” could probably take the CEOs out to lunch and talk a lot of them into picking up a couple.

    More power to them (no pun intended) if they can figure out a way to make it work. It’s all good.


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (12:18 pm)

    MrEnergyCzar:
    VIA is the test bed for these types of trucks or vans, if they sell well the majors will move in and start making them….

    MrEnergyCzar

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    We look to the day! +1


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (12:25 pm)

    James: The current Transit
    Connect has an EV version, which has been merely a compliance
    experiment for a few fleets. The van is built in Turkey

    #17

    I dunno, Transits are selling like “cold cakes” here, LOL. I saw a truckload of them rolling down the freeway yesterday and I remarked to my brother (as we carpooled in my Volt, ahem, ahem) that I see a ton of them sitting on dealers lots and not very many on the road.

    They’re pretty ugly IMHO, but maybe the new one will be better. Nice that they’re going to build them in Kansas instead of Turkey anyway.

    We do see a few Sprinters, but not all that many. And SoCAl is a pretty big truck market…………


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (12:26 pm)

    omnimoeish: I’d be surprised if GM doesn’t sell the vehicles to VIA without drivetrain out of the factory. Seems like that would be fairly easy to do for their old friend Bob Lutz.

    #21

    Well you beat me to it that time, LOL. +1


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (12:26 pm)

    Noel Park: #19

    We look to the day!+!

    You may be looking, but it aint happening.

    I’m getting negged for post #17 but you guys won’t
    explain why you’re so offput by the truth. Ford intro’d
    it’s T-Series vans at Detroit yesterday, along with
    the ( Tourneo ) Transit Connect to be built in Spain.
    Everything I stated is true – why neg but no counter
    opinions?

    Remember Jack Nicholson as the general who stated -
    “YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH?!”

    RECHARGE! ,

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    Jan 16th, 2013 (12:37 pm)

    Noel Park: #17

    I dunno, Transits are selling like “cold cakes” here, LOL.I saw a truckload of them rolling down the freeway yesterday and I remarked to my brother (as we carpooled in my Volt, ahem, ahem) that I see a ton of them sitting on dealers lots and not very many on the road.

    They’re pretty ugly IMHO, but maybe the new one will be better.Nice that they’re going to build them in Kansas instead of Turkey anyway.

    We do see a few Sprinters, but not all that many.And SoCAl is a pretty big truck market…………

    Noel, it’s easy to get confused on this. So let me explain.

    Transit = European Sprinter-class fullsized commercial van
    New version to be built here and named T-Series with new engines
    to replace E-Series or Econoline V-8 antiques.

    Transit Connect ( Tourneo ) = Microvan sold here since 2010 to be replaced in 2014 by new Transit Connect with more modern, slightly larger minivan/commercial van

    “Transits” as you state, are microvans actually named
    “Transit Connects” and have been built exactly the same since 2003 – sold here since 2010. The Transit Connect is to be replaced with the new-gen as sold worldwide since 2012. The Tourneo will be called “Transit Connect” here -will be built in Valencia, Spain and
    also have to do the window/seat removal dance to get past the USA Chicken Tax.
    This 2014 Transit Connect is a NEW DESIGN and will also be sold here in limited
    numbers with seats and sliders ala: a minivan. The commercial version will replace
    that old van you saw on the transports.

    NOW – ( phew! ) the “T-Series” is otherwise known as the Transit worldwide, has undergone a complete redo and will be made in USA in Kansas City, MO as of this
    year. The TRANSIT or T-Series commercial van will have diesel, CNG/LPG, 5 cylinder gas, and E-85 versions.

    It’s easy to get this all confused – I hope I helped clear this up for you.

    I blame Ford for all the “Transit” , “Transit Connect” verbiage they used to describe these vehicles.

    RECHARGE! ,

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    Jan 16th, 2013 (1:11 pm)

    James: NOW – ( phew! ) the “T-Series” is otherwise known as the Transit worldwide, it has undergone a complete redo and will be made in USA in Kansas City, MO as of this
    year – sold as a 2014. the TRANSIT or T-Series is a Sprinter-sized commercial van
    that will have diesel, CNG/LPG, 5 cylinder gas, and E-85 versions.

    I worked on a lot of the automation for the Transit program.. (AKA V363 program). We are still shipping equipment. I think start-up will be in the summer shutdown.. not sure.

    The believe next big Ford program is the PF? or PA? program. I’m not sure what vehicle/plant it is. Just started hearing about it last week.


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (1:16 pm)

    Although no price given (since it’s a closed deal), these VIA on-offs have GOT to be very expensive. Probably on the order of 150k/copy.


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (1:24 pm)

    Loboc:
    Although no price given (since it’s a closed deal), these VIA on-offs have GOT to be very expensive. Probably on the order of 150k/copy.

    I think they are more like 70 so still not anything the general consumer is going to buy.


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (1:34 pm)

    James,

    No negs from me James. I actually enjoy your lengthy writings about how lame GM can be. I agree these new trucks I see (GM and Ford) are these huge big boxes that have a drag coefficient of a brick….and why??? Just so the truck guys can get this macho BIG look. Why can’t GM and Ford concentrate a little more on aero drag. Seems that there would be lots of gold to be mined there.

    However I must say I like my 98 E350 big piggy Van. It’s V10 has been an extremely good engine and the Van has 130000 miles on it and I know guys that have run them 350000 miles so it’s a keeper. I must admit I don’t use it that much so I built a mini garage to store it in. So you might say it’s in “cold” storage which is no lie here in AZ right now as we have been down to 22 for 5 nights now.

    I think I’m moving to Puerto Rico with Raymond!


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (1:46 pm)

    I’m still hoping that GM comes out with an EREV SUV, van, truck, etc. that’s affordable for the masses. I’m perplexed at why they haven’t done this. I sure hope it’s not due to some “agreement” with Via motors to not enter that market while they’re making their own EREV’s out of GM vehicles.


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (2:02 pm)

    ClarksonCote:
    I’m still hoping that GM comes out with an EREV SUV, van, truck, etc. that’s affordable for the masses.

    I’m afraid GM might lower the AER. If they do I hope there is an option for the 40 mile package and maybe when they get next Gen battery they could offer 60 mile range package along with an SS Volt version.

    I’m even more sold on the Volt SS version now that ELR has come out. Just stay with the basic Volt body and weight and put the same power train improvements in it that ELR has. The specs published yesterday showed that they can pull 135 kw from the traction motor now. So that would be a 22% increase. Then put some cool SS logos on the cars engine hood like they did in the 60′s.


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (2:17 pm)

    George S. Bower: I think they are more like 70 so still not anything the general consumer is going to buy.

    For a production run of one (1), it’s going to be way more than that. I’m thinking that PG&E and others are footing the bill for prototypes and it’s way bigger than 70k/copy.

    Doesn’t really matter. Once the fleets get on board, the cost for smaller companies and consumers will come down.

    Personally, I’d like to see an off-lease unit. :)


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (2:19 pm)

    George S. Bower: Volt SS version

    If it says ‘SS’ on it, I’d expect < 6sec 0-60.


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (2:22 pm)

    Not sure of the MSRP on the “Presidential”, which is the luxury SUV, but I’m wondering if this isn’t a better idea than the ELR.

    James: I’m getting negged for post #17

    You’re +2 at this point! LOL


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (2:27 pm)

    Loboc: If it says ‘SS’ on it, I’d expect < 6sec 0-60.

    Well if we just scale by HP then we can get to 6.6. Is that good enough?


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (2:28 pm)

    DonC:

    You’re +2 at this point! LOL

    Look it’s +3 now. How did that happen:)


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (3:30 pm)

    George S. Bower:
    James,

    No negs from me James. I actually enjoy your lengthy writings about how lame GM can be. I agree these new trucks I see (GM and Ford) are these huge big boxes that have a drag coefficient of a brick….and why??? Just so the truck guys can get this macho BIG look. Why can’t GM and Ford concentrate a little more on aero drag. Seems that there would be lots of gold to be mined there.

    However I must say I like my 98 E350 big piggy Van. It’s V10 has been an extremely good engine and the Van has 130000 miles on it and I know guys that have run them 350000 miles so it’s a keeper. I must admit I don’t use it that much so I built a mini garage to store it in. So you might say it’s in “cold” storage which is no lie here in AZ right now as we have been down to 22 for 5 nights now.

    I think I’m moving to Puerto Rico with Raymond!

    Welcome to the first American Paradise! We were discovered by Chris Columbus in 1493 and we are part of the U.S. since 1898, so we are older than Hawaii. But if you do move down here, I have no space at my home for you, so get your own home.

    BTW, no local GM dealer supports the Chevy Volt, so I can’t recommend bring it with you.

    Raymond


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (3:35 pm)

    I have two questions to GM
    1. How in the world a small company loke VIA Motors can build these cars and GM can’t?
    2. Cadillac ELR looks awesome, but I am pretty sure that its EV range of around 35 miles seems to short for this kind of vehicle. Please GM, give it an real word EV range of about 50-60 miles and tghis car will a winner in every aspect. 35 miles will finaly drop at around 20 miles in real world and this will not make sense for this car.

    Jim.-


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (4:13 pm)

    George S. Bower: Look it’s +3 now. How did that happen:)

    POST # !7 – LET’S SEE 10 — Maybe GM staff will READ THE GREEN!!!!

    GO 17!!!! LOL Thanks, Guys I feel better. :)

    George – I’m going to turn over a new LEAF for 2013…No, REALLY…. I want
    to capsulize my posts – it’s my New Year’s resolution. Thanks for the
    support!

    Really want to see GM prosper. They brought us the Volt — From a GM family until the horrid quality ’70s-’80s when they all went foreign. My dad was the #1 Caddy salesmen in the USA for Gawd’s sakes!

    ( Plug In ) POWER TO THE PEOPLE!,

    James


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (7:04 pm)

    James,

    My rant about Ford’s lack of interest in aero drag is all wrong. Looks like Ford has 2 variable geometry devices that lower drag.

    article quote:

    “[The Atlas] takes aerodynamics and fuel efficiency to all new levels, with industry-first active grille shutters on a pickup,” Hinrichs said during the press conference. The concept also has a “smart” chin spoiler that will raise and lower to improve airflow under the truck, for additional fuel savings, Hinrichs said.


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (7:42 pm)

    Jim Mbongo,

    They could probably do that, if they used all the 16KW battery capacity, and told people it had a four year life, like most other car batteries. Then GM could make extra money exchanging the batteries for refurbished units after four years, and price the Volt’s purchase price accordingly.


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (8:04 pm)

    George S. Bower: Looks like Ford has 2 variable geometry devices that lower drag.

    #44

    Lipstick on a pig IMHO.


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (8:06 pm)

    OT: This is scary/wasteful/sad.

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2013/01/16/169511949/a-mysterious-patch-of-light-shows-up-in-the-north-dakota-dark

    A Mysterious Patch Of Light Shows Up In The North Dakota Dark

    drilling_wide-8e07f1273ee90a4f0bcc3a36352be08270865af0-s4.jpg


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (9:00 pm)

    kdawg:
    OT: This is scary/wasteful/sad.

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2013/01/16/169511949/a-mysterious-patch-of-light-shows-up-in-the-north-dakota-dark

    A Mysterious Patch Of Light Shows Up In The North Dakota Dark

    The real problem is when the NG drillers let the NG escape into the atmosphere …which is.:

    Much worse than burning it. I saw an article that said that fracking has a leakage rate upwards on 5%…..and this leakage totally offsets the benefits of the clean burning characteristics of NG.


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    Jan 16th, 2013 (9:49 pm)

    George S. Bower: The real problem is when the NG drillers let the NG escape into the atmosphere …which is.:
    Much worse than burning it.

    I vote for none of the above. Irresponsible IMO. Not to mention the engineer in me hates the inefficiency. Maybe the locals & wildlife can enjoy the heat in the cold North Dakota winters.