Feb 29

Production Ready 2013 Fisker Surf to Debut in Paris this Fall

 

It’s still a way off, but news making the rounds is that the 2013 Fisker Surf will debut as a production ready model at this year’s Paris Auto Show.

Not to be confused with the Geneva Motor Show just days away from March 8-18, the Paris event happens in September and it’s there that the ready to buy six-figure shooting brake Karma variant will be revealed.

Actually a near-ready concept version of the extended-range electric vehicle capable of delivering all the Karma’s 981 pound-feet of torque debuted last September at Frankfurt.

 

As previously reported, the Surf’s high torque figure comes when relying on full output from the combined gasoline and electric powertrain to motivate the over 5,000 pound car.

Its generator is a 260-horsepower, 2.0-liter GM Ecotec turbo engine not known to be spec’d in any other production car, and this is mated to two electric motors powered by a 20 kWh li-ion battery.

Unlike the pending 2013 Project Ninas to be made in Wilmington, Del., this Fisker will be made alongside the Karma at the Finnish Valmet plant. This should keep down production costs, but it is still believed it will be priced somewhat more than the Karma.

“[The Surf] is really a kind of merger of a sports car with a station wagon,” said Fisker to the media just before Frankfurt. “The inspirations for me – in growing up – were cars like the Jensen Interceptor and the Lamborghini Espada. They were super-cool sports cars that you could actually imagine living with and fitting a little bit of luggage and some people into.”

Henrik Fisker – who today announced he is stepping down as CEO, and stepping up as world-roving executive chairman – has designed vehicles for BMW and Aston Martin.

His new high-line wagon is more spacious inside than the Karma, and features the same earth-friendly accoutrements one would expect from a green car vying to earn a rightful place among such brands.

 

So if a new interpretation of European swankness is your cup of tea, this car could be the one for you. Being in something of a niche, it has scant actual competition, and more often is compared to the much higher priced Ferrari FF which has plowed the ground ahead of time.

Although some green car fans decry such high-end chic creations done in the name of environmental friendliness, this car is theoretically a screaming deal for the otherwise buyer of such vehicles as those from Ferrari, Aston Martin, Lamborghini, Bentley, etc.

We understand why some are bothered, but to be fair to Fisker – and Tesla for that matter – as a new America start-up, it seeks to establish home-run credibility by showing it can design cars cool enough that the likes of Leonardo DiCaprio will want to be among the first to own one.

In 2013, and later into this decade, the plan is to ease down market with more affordable cars, while increasing production volume and retaining environmentally sound designs. At this juncture, Fisker is still working on its first wave of sensational machines, of which the Surf, and likely also a cabriolet version of the Karma will be a part.

President Obama says he’ll buy a Volt

In other EREV news, speaking to the United Autoworkers Union yesterday, President Obama made a commitment for even further off than next year’s introduction of the Surf, and that is that he will buy a Chevy Volt after he is no longer president.

Mentioning his famous visit to the Detroit-Hamtramck assembly plant from which many photos of him sitting in a Volt have been re-posted, Obama revisited how it was enjoyable sitting in a Volt fresh off the line, but the Secret Service would not let him drive it.

“It was nice. I bet it drives real good,” he said. “And five years from now, when I’m not president anymore, I’ll buy one and drive it myself.”


Volt comments start at 0:32.

These words went over very well with those in the audience, and after a lengthy applause for which Obama paused smiling, some in the crowd could be heard repeatedly chanting, “four more years, four more years!”

So what do we make of these statements? Put positively, can we say Americans are now eligible to drive a car that the president only wishes he could, but will have to wait for?

At least one negative commenter on the YouTube clip has already said Obama will get his chance in just 10 months, but that is about what one would expect someone to say in these contentious and politicized times.

Obviously Obama was in a good mood when he spoke. What do you think? Will he buy a Volt?

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    Feb 29th, 2012 (7:32 am)

    Romney will be able to afford the Fisker. President Obama needs to change his mind and buy the Cadillac ELR, as he deserves the extra luxury and status of GM’s finest E-REV.

    Does the Fisker get HOV lane access in California?


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (7:46 am)

    Do you really want to start such a political rant today????

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    Feb 29th, 2012 (7:49 am)

    Mark Z: Does the Fisker get HOV lane access in California?

    I would be very surprised if it does.


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (8:05 am)

    I’ve read a couple of reviews on the Karma from GreenCarReports and they are not impressed with quality, complain about poor fitting panels with large gaps around trunk and hood, cheap feeling dash, controls, very cramped back seats, mediocre performance for this class of car and power steering that gives little feedback. All this is proof that you can’t rush a car into production, and build it with the first off-the-shelf parts you think of. The Volt is far superior in all categories except appearance and straight line acceleration. The Surf is a response to the complaint about the almost non-existent trunk space of the Karma.

    This car is all about prestige by appearance. Rare enough to be noticed but not much else going for it. The up-coming convertible will have no trunk space at all, but people will still buy it because practicality is not an issue for them.


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (9:07 am)

    Great Video Jeff.

    I did my part yesterday and voted in the Arizona republican primary.
    However, Santorum and Romney both having come out against the bailout has kind of soured me on them in general. I believe that even if McCain had won the presidency he would have done EXACTLY like Bush and Obama did.

    Therefore, this whole repub campaign against the bailout is hypocrisy.


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (9:23 am)

    In other EREV news, speaking to the United Autoworkers Union, President Obama made a commitment for even further off than next year’s introduction of the Surf, and that is that he will buy a Chevy Volt after he is no longer president.

    If he’s elected another 4 years, I bet he buys a Cadillac ELR instead.

    EDIT: Just read Post 1.


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (9:32 am)

    Thoughts on today’s topics:

    Re the Surf “wagon”: “Station wagons” are still almost as “uncool” in the US as “Mini-vans”; Fisker should consider calling the Surf a “touring car”, as European makers have long described wagons.

    Re Obama’s speech: Recalls Romney’s assertion that GM & Chrysler should have undergone liquida-
    tion bankruptcies, resulting in millions of job losses. I’d certainly prefer a Volt to the Chrysler 300 Obama once owned. Just one book advance could buy his family a fleet of Volts if he so desired.


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (9:34 am)

    They need to produce a daily-driver vehicle. This company cannot survive 2015 without something mass-produced like their project-Nina vehicle. You can’t drive the Karma well in harsher conditions that a FWD vehicle could handle (like the Volt). Surf = pregnant Karma. Nina – no photos or design stuff just yet, the plant in Delaware is on hold. We are thinking that they may as well do year 1 of Nina in Finland rather than build-out the local Delaware plant.

    T. Lasorda has financial interests in another battery company HQ’d in Canada – Electrovaya. He’s on their board and also advisor to their CEO. You think maybe he will want Fisker to use “his” batteries over A123? Corporate nepitism to come?

    http://www.electrovaya.com/company/investors/Management.aspx

    EFL needs sales – they have 10M in revenue in 2011 (up from 2010) but not in same league as A123. Maybe this is their chance to grow through this relationship? Or, conversely, Tom’s chance to get out of a company that is not doing well?

    http://www.electrovaya.com/pdf/FN/FN20111221.pdf


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (9:48 am)

    I predict Fisker will flop – and be a big political punching bag over it’s use-and loss of government monies.

    Funny how Fisker uses Jensen’s Interceptor as an inspiration… Jensen never thrived and the car was an interesting design at the time, with questionable execution from a diverse parts bin. Jensen won’t be on anybody’s list of success stories.

    The Surf – Perhaps it’ll strike a chord in Europe – but to me, the performance of Fisker doesn’t justify it’s price, and the shooting brake design is a no-go. Tesla really stole Fisker’s “Karma”.

    I hope Obama buys a Volt. Volt is selling well in D.C. and I hope many Congresspersons buy one with their overinflated paychecks and matchless health plans. But truth be told, I just hope EVERYONE buys a Volt because I want to see a gen II, gen III, and gen IV.

    CHEVY RUNS DEEP — GAS IS STEEP ,

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    Feb 29th, 2012 (10:08 am)

    nasaman:
    Thoughts on today’s topics:

    Re the Surf “wagon”: “Station wagons” are still almost as “uncool” in the US as “Mini-vans”; Fisker should consider calling the Surf a “touring car”, as European makers have long described wagons.

    Re Obama’s speech: Recalls Romney’s assertion that GM & Chrysler should have undergone liquida-
    tion bankruptcies, resulting in millions of job losses. I’d certainly prefer a Volt to the Chrysler 300 Obama once owned. Just one book advance could buy his family a fleet of Volts if he so desired.

    Minivans aren’t really “cool” but they sure are prevalent here in my area. They number 50% or so of the vehicles showing up at events at my kids’ schools. Parents of elementary school-aged kids really gravitate towards them – my family had one for a while when our kids were smaller. Now, I have a “sport wagon” (touring car) 2004 Mazda6 which I hope to replace with a Volt soon. But I’d jump on an MPV5 or wagon-style even faster if driven by a Voltec. I really liked the design of the Volvo V60 EREV plug-in (everything except the steep price at near $70K).


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (10:55 am)

    James: I predict Fisker will flop – and be a big political punching bag over it’s use-and loss of government monies.

    At least they did block the government $529 million till they hit the milestones.

    James: But truth be told, I just hope EVERYONE buys a Volt because I want to see a gen II, gen III, and gen IV.

    I’m debating whether to order/buy my Volt now, so I have it for the summer time, or wait to hear what the 2013 Volt has in store. If GM would say, not much is changing in the 2013 Volt, I would just get the 2012 now.


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (11:09 am)

    I’ve seen a Karma on the road, in the wild so to speak, and it has a HUGE presence. It was behind a Maserati and completely overwhelmed it, which is quite a feat. I think once people start seeing it they’ll be interested. Definitely a better choice than a Panamera or a Kubang. It’s a bit pricier but at these levels it’s all about looking good. Not sure I think the “Surf” adds anything on the looks front.

    I think it’s quite possible Obama will buy a Volt. He’ll definitely have the bucks. In any event the likelihood is that he’d be doing that in five years, in large part because of the GM and Chrysler bailouts. Romney is too much Thurston Howell III to connect with workers, and in the Midwest his strong support for the Wall Street bailouts contrasts with his opposition to the auto industry bailouts. This is hard to explain since the only principle at play seems to be who he values — big Wall Street friends over workers and manufacturers. I’m waiting for the political cartoon with Romney driving in the car with his cigar smoking $1000 bill waving hedge fund and private equity friends with American auto workers strapped to the roof.

    In a weird way Santorum might be a bigger challenge for Obama than Romney. Romney is so far behind Obama in places like Michigan and Ohio — almost 20 percentage points — that it’s almost impossible for him to get to 270. If Obama wins the mid West then all he has to do is win any swing state or even a state like New Hampshire or part of Nebraska (Nebraska apportions electoral votes by congressional districts and Obama is popular in Omaha), and he gets to 270. Hard to see how he doesn’t get there. On the other hand, if Santorum won Michigan and Ohio (a big IF but he has a better chance) then Obama would have to win all the swing states, which is a tall order. Interesting idea anyway.


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (11:16 am)

    kdawg: If GM would say, not much is changing in the 2013 Volt, I would just get the 2012 now.

    Not much is changing with the 2013 Volt. It’s also quite possible that when Gen II comes out, maybe in 2014, that it won’t be of the same quality as Gen I. The Volt is a quality product, which is why the head of BMW has said that the puzzle is why GM didn’t launch it as a Cadillac. But with the ELR GM will have a premium EREV, which would allow them to go downscale with the Volt Gen II.

    Since at current prices there isn’t a ton of difference between the prices for a Gen I Volt and an ELR, you have to expect that a Gen II Volt would be offered at a lower price and quality point than the current version.


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (11:23 am)

    Obama again. I wish that guy would get off our side.

    I know most of you will disagree, but he is setting back our cause of widespread Volt adoption; and now, this will persist after he is replaced. For that matter, he has set back alternative energy at large by trying to force it by decree, long before it is ready to become viable in the market on it’s own. That important milestone will now be later in coming, as the half of America involved in actual business gets the foul taste of Obama’s centrally-directed economy out of their mouths. Mark my words, we will have cause to regret Barry’s affinity for the Volt.

    You may neg [-1] when ready.

    SOMEBODY needs to teach Jeff not to launch these political threads.


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (11:25 am)

    DonC: Since at current prices there isn’t a ton of difference between the prices for a Gen I Volt and an ELR, you have to expect that a Gen II Volt would be offered at a lower price and quality point than the current version.

    I hope you are half right. ;-)

    Keep in mind that “quality” isn’t the same thing as “luxury.” The Cruze isn’t a runaway best-seller because it is cheap crap. I hope GM has finally learned this lesson.


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (11:48 am)

    So what’s the price tag for the Surf?

    Obama might be car shopping sooner than 5 years from now. Making the assumption sounds a little arrogant to me.


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (1:00 pm)

    DonC: I’ve seen a Karma on the road, in the wild so to speak, and it has a HUGE presence. It was behind a Maserati and completely overwhelmed it, which is quite a feat. I think once people start seeing it they’ll be interested. Definitely a better choice than a Panamera or a Kubang. It’s a bit pricier but at these levels it’s all about looking good.

    But how will the rich kids afford these after all the terrible sacrifices they have had to make?

    Wall Street Bonus Drop Means Trading Aspen for Discount Cereal
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-29/wall-street-bonus-withdrawal-means-trading-aspen-for-cheap-chex.html


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (1:17 pm)

    I vote for the President to get his Volt even earlier. Like next January 21st. But since neither Republican challenger would get more votes than Bob Dole, the President may have to wait.


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (1:22 pm)

    Tagamet:

    Was it your birthday yesterday? (Too bad you couldn’t have held back a day; you’d only be a quarter as old!)


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (2:11 pm)

    Is there really anyone who thinks you would not be able to buy a Chevrolet today if it hadn’t been for the govt bailout? Seriously, do you really think that GM and Chrysler would have disappeared? NO WAY. Either a foreign automaker would have bought their brands/assets or private equity would have financed a reorganization but they would not have disappeared. The details would certainly have been different and we could argue all day about which of the 1000 scenarios would have played out. The are only two things I am certain of though. First I would still be able to buy a 2012 Silverado and 2nd the unions would have been hurt bad by which ever scenario would have taken place without govt intervention.

    Unfortunately I think a lot of those scenarios would have probably meant the demise of the Volt program. That would have been sad but is the Volt worth the Govt investment? I don’t thinks so and the existance of Fisker and Tesla would suggest that electrification is coming with or without GM/Volt. So even though the Volt is, IMHO, the best out there it doesn’t mean we wouldn’t get there, it just would take a bit longer.


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (2:17 pm)

    Shock Me: I vote for the President to get his Volt even earlier. Like next January 21st. But since neither Republican challenger would get more votes than Bob Dole, the President may have to wait

    It would be cool to see a pimped out black Volt with bullet-proof glass silently moving the President around.


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (2:27 pm)

    ronr64: Is there really anyone who thinks you would not be able to buy a Chevrolet today if it hadn’t been for the govt bailout?

    Probably a used one.

    ronr64: Either a foreign automaker would have bought their brands/assets or private equity would have financed a reorganization but they would not have disappeared.

    No one had any credit to buy them. Plus why would they? The foreign competitors would have no interest, and the domestic ones already have their own products. Did you see how hard it was for GM to try to sell the brands it did cut? And that was AFTER the bank bailout. Liquidating GM & Chrysler, and all their suppliers would have had a much bigger effect than most realize. There was a reason Ford & Johnson Controls were standing next to GM & Chrysler before Congress.

    ronr64: Unfortunately I think a lot of those scenarios would have probably meant the demise of the Volt program.

    Actually I think the Voltec would have been one of the few gems the competitors would have bought.


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (3:10 pm)

    James: I predict Fisker will flop – and be a big political punching bag over it’s use-and loss of government monies.

    #9

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    Feb 29th, 2012 (3:11 pm)

    kdawg: At least they did block the government $529 million till they hit the milestones.

    #11

    “Thank God for little favors” +1


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (3:14 pm)

    Jackson: You may neg [-1] when ready.

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    Happy to oblige, LOL.


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (3:21 pm)

    unni: Unfortunately Bright auto is closing on DOE loans.Seems nobody is getting that money.

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    So much the better IMHO. A few million less $$ down another rathole.


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (3:21 pm)

    kdawg: Probably a used one.

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    Feb 29th, 2012 (3:23 pm)

    DonC: Not much is changing with the 2013 Volt. It’s also quite possible that when Gen II comes out, maybe in 2014, that it won’t be of the same quality as Gen I. The Volt is a quality product, which is why the head of BMW has said that the puzzle is why GM didn’t launch it as a Cadillac. But with the ELR GM will have a premium EREV, which would allow them to go downscale with the Volt Gen II.

    Since at current prices there isn’t a ton of difference between the prices for a Gen I Volt and an ELR, you have to expect that a Gen II Volt would be offered at a lower price and quality point than the current version.

    I think you are right on with that analysis. Gen 2 will see a cheapened up Volt with probably a smaller battery (but still40 AER) and who knows what else. Then when the ELR comes out the gen 1 Volts will be closer to an ELR than the gen 2 Volt. I think this will make all you guys who already bot cars feel pretty good. Older gen 1 Volts will probably hold their value pretty well. Since my wife has refused to give up that Prius I will probably get a Volt for my own but I am thinking a used one off lease. Unfortunately the 2011 models did not have tan leather (I don’t think , pls correct me if I am wrong). But I definitely want red w/ polished wheels.


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (3:27 pm)

    kdawg: It would be cool to see a pimped out black Volt with bullet-proof glass silently moving the President around.

    Go kdawg. Sounds like a photo (shop) op to me!!


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (4:55 pm)

    Jackson: Obama again. I wish that guy would get off our side.

    The only player scoring an “own goal” here is GM. With $7500 in tax rebates and more from certain states it still sells in the triple-digits. They couldn’t even keep the MSRP of the 2011 Volt under $40K just to manage a talking point. Heavy, expensive, mediocre CD, medicre DBFE and premium fuel requirement, it’s not much of an effort.

    The Leaf can advertise about 4 miles/kwh (100 mile range / 24 kwh). By the same token, the Volt rates about 2.2. Suuuure… some people do better but it often goes worse. Why is GM’s use of electricity so inefficient?

    You’d rather replace Obama with somebody who’s openly hostile to the idea of moving transport forward? Hostile to alternative energy and propulsion? Because that’s what you’ll be getting.

    Obama would prefer to start to crank up the price of oil but that’s a political non-starter. So, there’s no choice but to attempt to move forward with other means. If you can’t raise the price of gas significantly, there’s no effective alternative to some sort of subsidy plan.

    Note: Sales continue to look dismal. I won’t go back to look up my previous prediction (which I’m sure was for some flavor of “dismal”) but my current estimate is 400 retail, possibly under 350. GM might pull off a fleet miracle and get gross sales over January but I doubt it. I think retail was in the neighborhood of 470 last month… I expect we will see further decline in retail Volt sales this month.

    edit – yes 603 – 137 = 466


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (5:37 pm)

    Jackson: we will have cause to regret Barry’s affinity for the Volt.

    OR. It could go the other way with millions of Obama supporters buying up Volts as fast as GM can make them.

    POTUS has a lot of buzz clout when calling out a specific car that he wants to purchase.


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (5:54 pm)

    How can a sensible citizen vote for a GOP candidate… they have no plans to help its citizens All they go for a small govt (really) they will cut all kinds of departments ..no regulations Folks forget cheap china products contain lead in toys, dry wall full of lead from china , oil spills in Gulf and many more This is what happens when no controls, no regulations but the stoopid us again carry short memories and go for the emotinal stuff.
    In PA fracking in areas lead to gas in water and one can light fire to it. This is what people drink …geez where will it stop. Anything for a quick buck and to hell with health issues, enireomental criis like in Gulf.. Oh well we will reap what we sow… but hey the Gop convienielty puts the bible on the back burner when it suits them.. Just focus on the hypocracy of religiob and malarky that goes along with it, WILL WE EVER LEARN?


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (7:00 pm)

    Noel Park: #22

    So much the better IMHO.A few million less $$ down another rathole.

    May be its good for GM . The autoblog post says

    What happens next? Brylawski said that the technology and engineering in the van remains an asset of the company, so “we’re trying to get value from that, but Bright Automotive is winding down. ” The business model and the product still has merit, and the vehicle was really progressing to be something special. The prototype (pictured above) is almost three years old, but because there is a need to protect the intellectual property, Bright can’t disclose images of the updated van, but “it was looking awesome,” he said. Who knows where it may appear next.

    GM can get some as they funded 5 Million and make answer for transit connect and have a Minivan also ( the CS mpg bright van was supposed to be 35 mpg after initial 40 mile EV range ) .


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (7:00 pm)

    maybe a little OT but just check out this link….”http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/29/opinion/pickens-natural-gas-energy-security/index.html?hpt=hp_c2″

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    Feb 29th, 2012 (7:59 pm)

    I keep watching the Obama video and loving it more every time I see it.

    I think GM should just use this as an endorsement for the Volt………right after Jay Leno.

    It’s his daily driver you know!


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (8:02 pm)

    I could see Obama in a 2012 Volt. 8-)


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (8:16 pm)

    George, the 2011 MY Volts had tan (natural) leather for all exterior colors.


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (8:42 pm)

    DonC:
    George, the 2011 MY Volts had tan (natural) leather for all exterior colors.

    Thx DonC, are you saying they have had the tan leather color right from the start of production?? I swear when the ordering site was fired up there was no Tan leather……but as you know I am wrong sometimes ..


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (8:47 pm)

    DonC: Since at current prices there isn’t a ton of difference between the prices for a Gen I Volt and an ELR, you have to expect that a Gen II Volt would be offered at a lower price and quality point than the current version.

    I hope you have a different definition of quality than I do. GM is committed to producing all its vehicles with the best quality they can muster. What you pay more for is size, comfort, performance, features, etc. But shoddy workmanship is (hopefully) a thing of the past.


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (8:51 pm)

    pat:
    How can a sensible citizen vote for a GOP candidate… they go for a small govt (really) they will cut all kinds of departments..

    This is incorrect.

    The Republicans talk big but they have even less of a chance to lower spending than the Dems.

    Why?

    Because they will not cut defense spending. Also they will not cut back on Medicare because it is political suicide.

    So the bottom line is that nothing will get done. The Repubs are blowing hot air on cutting the federal deficit. They are good at lowering taxes,,,,but not too good at cutting spending.


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (9:28 pm)

    At least HHS/CMS went out and caught a big (biggest) Medicare fraudster. They are trying to stop it before it goes too far – before Medicare fraud research happened after hundreds of datapoints were in the system. Now, they’re trying to find it early.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/biggest-medicare-fraud-history-busted-feds/story?id=15809129

    So, curtailing Medicare fraud is one way to cut Medicare spending. I just don’t know if it detracts from the relative ease of defrauding the system by some of these foreign doctors who show up, work in the USA for a few years and cut and run with their dollars long before HHS/CMS can trace them.

    Some believe that Medicare fraud consists of at least 20% of the money that is spent in the Medicare system. Quite substantial.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/27/tom-coburn/coburn-says-20-percent-every-medicare-dollar-goes-/


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    Feb 29th, 2012 (10:04 pm)

    George, you can look at this site on august the second of two thousand and ten and find all the ordering options. The tan leather is there. Maybe you’re confused by the fact the color is called natural not tan.


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    Mar 1st, 2012 (2:49 am)

    At the expense of getting a bit political (sorry) but agree GOP is full of hot air most of the times… They are supported by the Fix (Fox) news spreading lies, half lies (in real sense with no basis), twist the real info into propaganda and just put it on their news shows. However, I give credit to GOP & Fix news that they know that a vast majority of us dont check for facts, accept whatever is shown on TV (since it was on TV it must be right) or dont use our brain for a basic analysis of issues. Sad

    The GOP/Fix news thrive on the igorance among us, generating hatred/vitriol for the other side, hypocracy and twisting the religion – bible meaning in our lives for its own twisted/dangerous politics. Alas many of us fall for it. No wonder we pay the price for it in our lives with nothing getting done by the congress and a high % of folks unemployed. Will we ever learn and vote for the right people (Both for GOP and Democrats) come election time? History indicates we will not!


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    Mar 1st, 2012 (2:57 am)

    GM and other industries have the greatest opportunity now to train the right engineers and production people on lines with younger generation from colleges and looking for jobs. They are hungry for jobs – employ them, train them and they will be the strength for any company for years to come. manufacture things here – we are competive now with europe and some Asian nations. Our wages are competive now and overheads are low. Seize this opportunity GM. Lower the salaries of Management and plow more $$ into research and new products. Does folks at the top need to make millions? Show the folks at the bottom that management is with you and willing to sacrifice and make GM the best / competive entity in US and world.


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    Mar 1st, 2012 (12:06 pm)

    President Obama,

    That electric drive experience is absolutely worth the wait. The experience is mystical.
    It is exactly like a dream where you are flying through the air at will. That is what it is like to drive a Volt.

    Other OEM’s are on track also for electric drive. It will be compelling to gain the experience to see if there is any comparison to Volt. I did not at all find this experience when driving the Leaf.

    Thank you for your work in maintaining the continuity of GM and the retention of it’s fine engineering staff.

    Sincerely,
    Dan Petit