Jul 14

Official: Chevrolet Volt Battery Warranty is Eight Years/100,000 Miles

 

[ad#post_ad]After years of speculation, General Motors has finally announced the terms of the warranty on the Chevrolet Volt’s lithium ion battery pack; eight years/100,000 miles.

The 16 total kwh pack stores sufficient energy in a band from roughly 30% to 80% state-of-charge to propel the car for up to 40 miles at ambient temperature and with moderate driving style.

Since first working with the LG Chem lithium-manganese spinel cells in October 2007, GM has definitively proven their safe and robust nature. In these nearly three years of testing, GM has completed more than 1 million miles of driving and 4 million hours of validation of Volt battery packs, which include exactly nine modules and 288 cells.

“The Chevrolet Volt’s batteries have exceeded our performance targets and are ready to hit the road,” said Micky Bly, GM executive director, global electrical systems. “Our customers are making a commitment to technology that will help reduce our dependence on petroleum. In turn, we are making a commitment to our customers to deliver the highest standards for value, safety, quality, performance and reliability for an unprecedented eight years/100,000 miles.”

GM stresses the following key features of the Volt’s battery that allow this unprecedented in the industry warranty:

Thermal Management: the intrinsic thermal management system allows the pack and car to operate flawlessly from -13 degrees Fahrenheit (-25 C) and as high as 122 degrees Fahrenheit (+50 C). In cold weather the cells are warmed by the generator and in warm weather they are chilled.

Diagnostics: there are more than 500 diagnostic tests on the pack that run 10 times per second. 85 percent ensure the pack is operating safely, 15 percent ensure durability.

Cell design: the LG chemistry ensures high power and long life.

Energy Management: by not fully charging or discharging the battery ensures the longest possible life.

GM is on track to deliver the Volt to customers later this year.

“We’re moving fast to deliver for the customer and ensure the Volt launch stays on track,” said Nancy Laubenthal, plant manager of the Brownstown Battery Plant. “Last August we announced the investment in the Brownstown facility and in January built our first completed battery pack. Now we are finishing pre-production batteries and soon we will begin building production batteries for Chevrolet Volts that will be delivered to dealers before the end of the year.”

In addition to this battery warranty, GM is also offering the following additional warranties on the car:

  • 100,000 mile/5-year transferable Engine Limited Warranty (for Range Extender)
  • 100,000 mile/5-year 24/7 Roadside Assistance Program
  • 100,000 mile/5-year 24/7 Courtesy Transportation Program
  • 36,000 mile/ 3-year no deductible Bumper-to-Bumper transferable warranty
  • 100,000 mile/6-year corrosion protection

At 4PM Eastern you can ask questions directly of Volt vehicle line executive Doug Parks and Volt marketing director Tony DiSalle in the chat box below:

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    Jul 14th, 2010 (1:24 pm)

    That’s how you test a product and Guarantee it!


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (1:25 pm)

    Works for me. I drive up to 25,000 miles a year so I assume “my warranty” will be for 4 years. :+}

    BTW the Prius traction battery warranty is essentially the same. 8 – 10 years 100k miles. Plus they think the battery will last at least 180 k miles.

    Good news… everyone seems to have a lot of faith in their batteries.

    I really like the other parts of the warranties.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (1:25 pm)

    The only real issue I see is that nobody has actually had Lithium ion batteries for 10 years. Accelerated life testing really isn’t the same as actual calendar life. But If Chevy thinks the batteries will last 8 years, does that mean that the factored in cost of the 2nd battery pack can be eliminated (and the cost of the Volt reduced)?


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (1:25 pm)

    That’s what we expected but in this case no news is good news.

    The Prius batteries have outperformed expectations. Let’s hope that is what happens with the LG Chem Li-ion cells as well.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (1:26 pm)

    What?

    I thought California required 10 years / 150,000 mile warranty for the Battery Pack.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (1:26 pm)

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    Jul 14th, 2010 (1:26 pm)

    Way to go GM!!! The life expectancy of the battery has been a huge question mark for many potential customers, and this should put their minds at ease. If you scan the internet for feedback on hybrid cars and the lives of their battery packs (yes, I know the Volt is not a hybrid car, calm down techies), it seems as if Toyota’s generally last a long time (100,000 mile warranty offered on the Prius battery as well). For the Honda hybrids, however, there are many current owners who complain of the battery needing replacement anywhere from 50,000 to 80,000 miles. Furthermore, it costs thousands of dollars for the replacement, and that is a worry that scares many consumers with this relatively new technology. An 8 year, 100,000 mile warranty really means that GM is confident the battery will last much longer than that, and this puts many minds at ease. Have 100% confidence in the Volt and get your checkbooks ready, November is right around the corner!


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (1:28 pm)

    AWESOME!!!


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (1:29 pm)

    Lyle, your chart seems to indicate we are getting a much better deal than we should expect. This is not the case- this is a continuation of the norm. This is the same warranty that Toyota offers on its hybrids AND the same warranty that GM decided to offer on its hybrids, as well [I have the Chevy Tahoe Hybrid]. I am pleased I have such a warranty and yes, this Li ion battery technology is certainly better than current hybrid batteries. However, since it appears that current hybrid owners will be future Volt owners, I think there would be an absolute uproar if this warranty was anything less than what you mention here.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (1:29 pm)

    Even with the warranty, I’ll try to park mine in the shade here in Florida.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (1:34 pm)

    For 8 years, 100,000 miles, no worries about the battery pack. Another point that they bring out is superior cold and hot weather operation. Some of the BEV’s will not have battery packs that can last for 8 years if driven in these conditions.

    Overall, even if the battery is toast at 9 years/110,000 miles, by then the price of a replacement pack should be much less costly. GM has provided a warranty that will bridge the gap and get us to Gen II or Gen III without the worry of a $10,000 battery pack replacement beforehand.

    How in hell can they expect to only sell 10,000 cars in the first year?


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (1:37 pm)

    Works for me, I would have been happy with a 100K mile/72 month warranty…long enough to get the vehicle paid for before I have to worry about replacing the battery.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (1:37 pm)

    You won’t see the Leaf with this kind of battery warranty, if they do they’ll lose their shirts. This is where GM will really come out on top.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (1:38 pm)

    Tom: I see they did not compare it to the prius warranty.
    Tom  

    I would think the Prius battery and the Volt battery are completely different beasts, as the Volt’s battery is ALWAYS being used, whereas the Prius battery is only used some of the time, correct? I may be wrong.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (1:39 pm)

    David K (CT): What?
    I thought California required 10 years / 150,000 mile warranty for the Battery Pack.

    California,

    No Volts for you!

    I wonder if the beuruacrats would change their mind if GM and other companies took this kind of stance. Wouldn’t that be interesting to watch play out.

    On topic, I think the warranty is more than fair. None of my battery operated gadgets have this type of coverage.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (1:45 pm)

    This is an OCD nit-pick, but that graphic should’ve had the other batteries colored with “yellow” charge, and the Volt’s colored with the “green”. :)

    Where’s the manufacturing update and “major consumer initiative”?

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    Jul 14th, 2010 (1:48 pm)

    Mike D.: I would think the Prius battery and the Volt battery are completely different beasts, as the Volt’s battery is ALWAYS being used, whereas the Prius battery is only used some of the time, correct? I may be wrong.  (Quote)

    The prius battery is also always being used, just for a much smaller task. But you are correct when you say that it really should not be comapred – The Volts pack is the main source of energy, whereas the prius pack (Less than 1Kw) is only asupplimental system. Prius can drive with no traction battery, the volt can not.

    I am really looking forward to the “Customer Inititave” at 4PM now!!!


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (1:49 pm)

    I’m disappointed.
    Only 3yr/36,000 mile warranty on the rest of the car. They don’t sound too optimistic with that.
    The battery will work normally in -13°F to 122°F, but it has gotten colder here in Connecticut and especially further north.

    I was really hoping for some better news.
    Oh well, such is life.

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    I thought of buying the Cruze. Ironically, I can’t get cruise control with the Standard Shift.
    How stupid. I would have to get an aftermarket one. Some things never change.
    And they wonder why Foreign cars sell better in this country. WTF. Stop being stupid and people will come back.

    My 2¢. Feel free to pound me into oblivion.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (1:51 pm)

    why is this a surprise? the battery is part of the emissions system, it’s required to have this level of warranty by the fed’s


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (1:56 pm)

    so thats 100,000 miles with and without using the ICE.

    i’LL Be charging during the day as much as I can to try and get 20,000 AER yearly.
    Only charging once a day limits to around 14,000 AER/YR

    I’m on the Leaf waiting list, so its a combination of which car is available in Ohio first and if the Leaf will not have the real life range I need to not get stranded.

    Still a waiting game but we keep getting closer and closer to real choices.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (1:58 pm)

    Rashiid Amul: Only 3yr/36,000 mile warranty on the rest of the car.

    3 year is bumper to bumper.. That’s standard on every car. I don’t think you should expect more than that since no one else offers more for free.

    Rashiid Amul: The battery will work normally in -13°F to 122°F, but it has gotten colder here in Connecticut and especially further north.

    On this, I think the car will run, but it may run on the range extender until the battery is heated up. Or if it’s plugged into a socket it will keep it warmed up to -13 degrees.. I’m suprised it’s gotten that cold in Connecticut. What the hell are you people thinking living up there.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (2:00 pm)

    In addition to the 3 year bumper-to-bumper warranty, will we have the opportunity to purchase an extended warranty? Say, 5 years, 60,000 miles? Maybe more?


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (2:01 pm)

    The Battery Guy: “…We’re moving fast to deliver for the customer and ensure the Volt launch stays on track..”That is just hilarious statement. GM has been dragging their sorry arses on this project for more than three plus YEARS !!! Beware that almost NO NEW TECHNOLOGY was invented to build this car. Lithium batteries where already well proven in many commercial applications well before GM decided to do its internal testing. No wonder the Lithium battery performed so well because they HAD ALREADY BEEN TESTED FOR MANY YEARS PRIOR you stupid fools.I just cannot fathom how stupid and lame some of these statements from GM are. They act like they just personally discovered this fancy new Lithium-based technology when it was already well proven and in fact was already being used to drive many automobiles BEFORE GM GOT THEIR HEAD OUT OF THEIR ARSE !!!Once again 3.5 YEARS is NOT MOVING FAST to develop a car using EXISTING TECHNOLOGY !!Dumb Dumb Engineering.   (Quote)

    Sorry, but you’re not being fair. Ask anyone in any manufacturing industry the kinds of pains that have to be taken to help ensure a quality product. Doesn’t matter if you’re the “re” in research or not, integrating existing products into one reliable product is still extremely time consuming.

    Every car company takes years to bring a new car to market, and they have no new technology either.

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    Jul 14th, 2010 (2:02 pm)

    JohnW (Tampa): 3 year is bumper to bumper.. That’s standard on every car. I don’t think you should expect more than that since no one else offers more for free.  (Quote)

    Kia? Hyundai? I thought they both had 100k bumper to bumper (and others now too).

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    Jul 14th, 2010 (2:03 pm)

    Have a seminar to teach this afternoon.
    But, will someone ask about the extended warranty coverages.
    On Monday when I “signed the bottom line” of the reservation form, the sales rep mentioned something like (gasp!) “aftermarket extended warranty” three times.
    I doubt the aftermarket knows what sorts of components regarding electric drive are in the
    Volt. Therefore, I would not even remotely consider any aftermarket extended warranty. Period. (Aftermarket extended warranties aren’t even worth it for ICE vehicles, compared to the factory extended warranties, by the way.)

    You see, in running diagnostics seminars in 210 shops to date, and, extended warranties claims processes come up in conversations, all of them say that these aftermarket extended warranty companies are really difficult to do business with and to get even the listed components of their contracts covered in all too many cases.

    Question for the live chat:
    Will it be cheaper to go ahead and get the GM 100,000 mile “bumper to bumper” extended warranty at time of purchase? (Which I certainly will anyway.)

    (So, I strongly caution against anyone to even consider an aftermarket extended warranty.
    Keep it all GM, because the cost would certainly more closely represent the true cost for the coverages.)
    The aftermarket warranty companies could not possibly know what is going on under the hood anyway, so how can they validly represent to anyone what they would be willing to cover, or even list the names of the components in their contractual list of “COVERED COMPONENTS”.
    As well, no purchaser will be able to comprehend all the different electrical components and what they do and how much a replacement would cost NOT COVERED UNDER A PROPER GM EXTENDED WARRANTY, because likely, those costs are still not yet quite thoroughly known even within GM yet.

    So, get the GM 100.000 mile “bumper to bumper” extended warranty at time of purchase to cover all other components not listed above.

    (/…back to the next seminar. Have an interesting “live chat” everyone.)


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (2:03 pm)

    nuclearboy: California,No Volts for you!I wonder if the beuruacrats would change their mind if GM and other companies took this kind of stance. Wouldn’t that be interesting to watch play out.On topic, I think the warranty is more than fair. None of my battery operated gadgets have this type of coverage.  (Quote)

    I agree with you that the warranty seems fair, but I thought that I was showing my stupidity with my California comment, as someone gave me a -1…for what I do not know.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (2:06 pm)

    RVD: “500 diagnostic tests on the pack that run 10 times per second”that is 5000 tests per second. why?  (Quote)

    Diagnostic tests could be as simple as measuring each individual cell’s temperature and making sure it doesn’t exceed a given threshold. 10 times per second ensures a fault doesn’t have time to cascade and cause other faults to surrounding components.

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    Jul 14th, 2010 (2:07 pm)

    I’m curious about the range-extender warranty. Currently GM vehicles have a powertrain warranty for 5yr/100,000 miles. I didn’t see anything about the electric motors or other drivetrain components being included except as the 3/36 BTB.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (2:08 pm)

    David K (CT): I agree with you that the warranty seems fair, but I thought that I was showing my stupidity with my California comment, as someone gave me a -1…for what I do not know.

    I thought the same thing about CA. Need to get one of the lawyers here to comment.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (2:10 pm)

    RVD: “500 diagnostic tests on the pack that run 10 times per second”
    that is 5000 tests per second. why?

    That’s not very fast actually. That means the processor has a scan time of 100ms.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (2:21 pm)

    Agreed that the warranty is basically what was expected. But the GM press release seems to indicate that more of the electric drivetrain components may be covered, which should be very good news….

    “The Chevrolet Volt electric vehicle with extended range will provide customers with an unprecedented, standard, eight-year/100,000-mile warranty on its advanced, lithium-ion battery. It is the automotive industry’s longest, most comprehensive battery warranty for an electric vehicle, and is transferable at no cost to other vehicle owners….

    The Volt’s comprehensive battery warranty covers all 161 battery components, 95 percent of which are designed and engineered by GM, in addition to the thermal management system, charging system and electric drive components.”


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (2:23 pm)

    David K (CT): What?I thought California required 10 years / 150,000 mile warranty for the Battery Pack.  

    Good question for the Webchat @4pm EST I would say.


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    kdawg: I thought the same thing about CA. Need to get one of the lawyers here to comment.  (Quote)

    California considers the battery part of the emmissions system (Like the prius). Must have same warranty as all emmissions components like a catalytic converter etc. 8yr 100,000 miles.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (2:32 pm)

    Nick D: California considers the battery part of the emmissions system (Like the prius). Must have same warranty as all emmissions components like a catalytic converter etc. 8yr 100,000 miles.  (Quote)

    Sorry – I should have mentioned that CARB had just made this statement specifically about the volt – That the Battery is part of the “emmissions system”.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (2:38 pm)

    JohnW (Tampa): I’m suprised it’s gotten that cold in Connecticut. What the hell are you people thinking living up there. 

    Rashiid Amul: thought of buying the Cruze. Ironically, I can’t get cruise control with the Standard Shift.

    What were you thinking cruise and cruze are synonyms?

    Slammed ya pretty good there Huh, Huh :)


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (2:39 pm)

    I think ALL manufacturers should have 5/100K battery warranties which should also include Inverters, traction motors, generators computer modules and the thermal management systems as well. I don’t know if all of these are included in GM’s 5/100K warranty or not. Customers have a big investment in these electric vehicles and to replace any of these components would be very expensive. IF GM will cover all these components with a 5/100K warranty, that would sway alot of potential customers their way instead of taking more risk with another manufacturer.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (2:43 pm)

    It sounds like all testing to date has validated the battery design. GM has gone to great lengths to ensure reliability with specifying beefy batteries and using an active cooling system. Reliability has been their foremost design consideration.

    How different with Nissan, which uses an air cooled battery pack. I suspect that the Leaf uses a greater percentage of its 24 kWh pack than GM does of their 16 kWh. I don’t know if it would have been smart for GM to have taken more risks to wring out costs, but it will be interesting to find out who in hindsight will have made the smarter choices.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (2:45 pm)

    Is 100 000 miles warranty includes CS mode driving? I it is so then it could be only two year warranty of battery pack.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (2:52 pm)

    As a significant highway driver, this warranty is a no-go for me. I’ll hit 100,000 pretty quickly, much off the generator, thereby using up valuable battery warranty without really using the battery. I’ll stick to my Insight II for my highway driving profile (getting 50 mpg without trying, driving 25k miles per year); even if the battery fails after the warranty is up it costs less than $1k to recondition.

    GM should have considered warrantying the battery pack by some appropriate number of Kilo-Watt-hours used in EV mode that would normalize the warranty for acutal EV battery usage. If they wanted to do it by miles they should have gone up to at least 150,000 miles.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (3:00 pm)

    I know I’m beating a dead . . . battery? But we’ve known the Nissan LEAF’s M.S.R.P. for some time, yet not a peep out of GM regarding the Volt. Why?


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (3:00 pm)

    From the article: … Volt battery packs, which include exactly nine modules and 288 cells.

    This is the first time I’ve heard this kind of detail on the internal pack design.

    With 9 modules of 32 cells, and each cell at around 3.6 volts, I would guess the battery pack is organized as follows:
    • All 32 cells in each module are wired in series (around 115 volts per module)
    • 3 modules are connected in series form a group (around 345 volts per gorup)
    • The 3 groups are then connected parallel (still around 345 volts, but 3 times the # of amps)

    So if a battery cell fails, the battery pack processor will probably remove 1 whole group (3 modules), which gives you 2/3 of your total pack power, easily enough get to home or to a service station.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (3:02 pm)

    At post #42 I meant to say 8/100K warranty instead of 5/100K, Pardon me.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (3:06 pm)

    Echin McCrotch:
    No, The Volt is a PHEV and will be classified and tested as so.
    American made, American built, Foreign power storage and Oil Dependent….YaVolt!
      

    In case you are reffering to PHEV or PHV not to EREV clasiffication it gives me idea you are Toyota guy.


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    Are they serious?

    So they compare a car warranty VS laptops and iPads…. LOL

    why don’t they compare it to Costco exchange/refund policy while they are at it.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (3:40 pm)

    Well, nice to see the battery warranty for 8 years/100 miles. That would cover about 6 years of driving for me. I think this is probably the standard for most hybrids.

    Just concerned with the following comment…..
    ” In cold weather the cells are warmed by the generator and in warm weather they are chilled.”

    How much gas will people in cold/hot weather climates really burn keeping the battery at optimum levels and why couldn’t the main battery pack be used to do this job like most EVs?

    GO EV!!!


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (3:43 pm)

    Echin McCrotch: GM has already stated they will reduce the battery capacity in future builds. >– That means that AP person is correct. GM finally came to the same conclusion as the other EV manufacturers that it is unnecessary to buffer that much and it’s a waste of energy having to move that extra weight. GM finally comes to –> the same conclusion but yet billion of dollars later(sic).
    What a shameful waste of American tax dollars.

    Feel free to expose the correlation here.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (3:58 pm)

    Hakeem Ali Babba: You Volt battery not good for whole 40 miles and you all know it. Get 30 then you lucky. Meanwhile Volt will enjoy Middle East Gasoline like no other. Quench your might thirst .
    You know you enjoy bathing in our wonderful petrol and want more.
    We are happy to fill your 9 gallon reservoir of goodness with our bubbly delicious benzene until you want another 9. Drink up you drunken Voltards as this lame battery will not be enough to reduce your glutenous dependency on our wonderful fossil fuel.  

    Oh come on you guys, we know you’re goofing on us and having a great time with these silly pseudo-OPEC posts. But really, “9 gallon reservoir of goodness”?? And, “… our bubbly delicious benzene”??? A good turn-of-phrase is one thing, but these sound downright obscene! You guys have some real potential, but not for a Volt site, better suited to an xxx-rated chat room!

    So c’mon, give us more! But I gotta warn you, it’s gonna take a lot to top the “reservoir of goodness” line. (Heh heh).


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (4:00 pm)

    Full moon tonight? There’s a lot of crazies posting today it seems…

    join thE REVolution


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (4:14 pm)

    I was here for the whole chat, but if any consumer initiative was mentioned I missed it. I sent some questions, but wasn’t selected (though one was just a “funny”).
    Anyone know if I lost sleep last night over an *imagined* initiative?

    Be well and believe,
    Tagamet

    Let’s Just Get The VOLTS ‘ Wheels On The Road!!****NPNS


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (4:15 pm)

    ClarksonCote: Full moon tonight?There’s a lot of crazies posting today it seems…join thE REVolution  

    HEY! I just *got* here!

    Be well and believe,
    Tagamet

    Let’s Just Get The VOLTS ‘ Wheels On The Road!!****NPNS


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (4:17 pm)

    From the GM-Volt archives (August 5th, 2008): Although he [Larry Burns, VP of Research and Development] confirms battery development remains on track, he noted that challenges remain in proving the batteries will last 10 years and 150,000 miles, indicating for the first time publicly that GM plans to warranty that benchmark.

    So, it appears that at one point they thought they had to hit the 10y/150,000mi target. I wonder what changed?


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (4:20 pm)

    Hakeem Ali Babba: You Volt battery not good for whole 40 miles and you all know it.

    Some drivers will get more than 40 miles, some will get less. On the EPA city and highway cycles, the Volt gets 40 miles all-electric range:
    http://gm-volt.com/2009/04/24/the-chevy-volts-electric-range-is-40-miles-in-both-highway-and-city-driving/
    As always, your mileage may vary.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (4:21 pm)

    Rob: I know I’m beating a dead . . . battery? But we’ve known the Nissan LEAF’s M.S.R.P. for some time, yet not a peep out of GM regarding the Volt. Why?  

    Because GM is smarter than Nissan.

    Be well and believe,
    Tagamet

    Let’s Just Get The VOLTS ‘ Wheels On The Road!!****NPNS


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (4:31 pm)

    There is a massive troll out break on this post! So many “dumb dumb” comments, so much of my day wasted reading them.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (4:32 pm)

    What’s the deal with all the cuckoos with the ridiculous fake names on this board over the past few days and weeks? Lyle, didn’t you once post indicating that all these annoying messages supposedly from different people were all logged from one IP address?

    Can it be made so that once a person’s stoopid message gets voted down enough, it just isn’t viewable any more, period? Some Internet message boards have a link to “Report Offensive Content”. Maybe there should be a link called “Report Idiotic Content” here?


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (4:33 pm)

    V=IR: From the GM-Volt archives (August 5th, 2008):Although he [Larry Burns, VP of Research and Development] confirms battery development remains on track, he noted that challenges remain in proving the batteries will last 10 years and 150,000 miles, indicating for the first time publicly that GM plans to warranty that benchmark.So, it appears that at one point they thought they had to hit the 10y/150,000mi target.I wonder what changed?  

    Looks like they didn’t reach that particular benchmark. IMHO a really good Volt today is far better than a slightly better one “someday”. But you know how I am about getting the Volt’s wheels on the road (g).

    Be well and believe,
    Tagamet

    Let’s Just Get The VOLTS ‘ Wheels On The Road!!****NPNS


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (4:40 pm)

    Trolls have feelings too. Do not ignore them as they may get angry and go postal ala hulk madness. Play nice with the trolls. Eventually they will have to go eat dinner and hopefully rest beached-whale-style under their rocky bridge super dwelling habitat for inhumanity.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (4:55 pm)

    Echin McCrotch: No, The Volt is a PHEV and will be classified and tested as so.American made, American built, Foreign power storage and Oil Dependent….YaVolt!  (Quote)

    Don’t care what you want to call it. Doesn’t change how it works. Go ahead and argue semantics.

    Do you think the wheel would have had a different impact on civilization if it was called the rollie or zork?


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (4:55 pm)

    Surprised, I was expecting what we have heard for three years namely 10 years 150000 miles. I have quoted this to a great number of people since I thought it was one of the few knowns about the Volt. I will still take delivery of mine no matter what.

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    Jul 14th, 2010 (4:57 pm)

    The Volt has a new color — Victory Red. Also check out the grey stack. Much better than the white IMO. http://green.autoblog.com/2010/07/14/chevrolet-volt-shows-up-wearing-victory-red-for-the-first-time/


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (4:58 pm)

    Ambient temperature can be -60F or +120F. It is simply the temperature of the surrounding air. I think you meant to say “moderate ambient temperature” or something similar.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (5:12 pm)

    V=IR: From the GM-Volt archives (August 5th, 2008): Although he [Larry Burns, VP of Research and Development] confirms battery development remains on track, he noted that challenges remain in proving the batteries will last 10 years and 150,000 miles, indicating for the first time publicly that GM plans to warranty that benchmark.So, it appears that at one point they thought they had to hit the 10y/150,000mi target. I wonder what changed?  (Quote)

    My guess is 10 years or 150,000 miles IS GM’s internal benchmark…. and by all accounts the testing and performance has gone well. But let’s be reasonable, no manufaturer is going to issue a warranty equal to their performance benchmark. Thus the 8 year/100,000 mile coverage makes sense.

    100% of VOLT batteries covered for 8 years/100,000 miles
    Likely majority of VOLT batteries will perform well to 10 years/150,000 miles
    Some may fail between 8/100 and 10/150 and some will last far longer


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (5:19 pm)

    Wasn’t able to stay online during the chat, but just saw the replay.

    It was good to see lots more concise, short answers than in past chats.

    I predict that unambiguous answers will intensify as launch draws closer …


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    LeoK: My guess is 10 years or 150,000 miles IS GM’s internal benchmark

    Right. GM engineers have always talked about diesignin the battery for a 10 year / 150,000 mile battery warranty, but when GM marketing looked around, most of the other competition was 8 years or less, and they’re probably looking to save every penny they can right now to compete with the Leaf.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (5:21 pm)

    ClarksonCote: Full moon tonight?

    No. First Quarter.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (5:51 pm)

    “Automotive News, the i-MiEV will be priced under $30k when it arrives in the U.S. in the fall of 2011. Now, if you deduct the $7,500 federal tax credit, then the out-of-pocket cost should be right around $22,500. ”

    http://www.autocardeal.com/auto-green/mitsubishi-reaffirms-sub-30k-sticker-price-for-i-miev-in-us.html
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    Range Anxiety = Dependence on foreign oil = “EoDEV” (Extended oil Dependence Electric Vehicle) = Volt


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (6:05 pm)

    Tagamet: Because GM is smarter than Nissan.

    Echin McCrotch: So smart they went bankrupt and took your money and everyone else’s.
    Come to think of it, that is pretty smart. What am I SAYING!!!

    I thought the big wigs at Nissan spoke French?


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (6:08 pm)

    Time Magazine article today:
    Can the Chevy Volt Recharge General Motors?

    http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,2003789,00.html


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (6:14 pm)

    Echin McCrotch: GM has already stated they will reduce the battery capacity in future builds.

    You didn’t source that idea from that Chinese toured GM head, did you?


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (6:27 pm)

    Don’t feed the trolls!


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (6:32 pm)

    Roy H:
    Don’t feed the trolls!

    This one’s not so bad, just dumb.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (6:32 pm)

    crew: You didn’t source that idea from that Chinese toured GM head, did you?

    lol…
    See post #112, it’s not my post but a resident here…i’m just “Trolling along my way…..”
    http://gm-volt.com/2010/07/14/gm-to-announce-chevrolet-volt-battery-warranty-manufacturing-update-and-major-consumer-initiative/


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (6:33 pm)

    I thought of buying the Cruze.Ironically, I can’t get cruise control with the Standard Shift.
    How stupid.I would have to get an aftermarket one.Some things never change.

    I admit GM does have some of the most bizarre option packages. They also have been making it increasingly difficult to even get a manual transmission. Still, I find it hard to believe you can’t get cruise with a standard shift. I’ve bought nothing but standard shift cars and they all come with cruise. Especially with drive by wire where cruise control is nothing but software.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (6:35 pm)

    crew: This one’s not so bad, just dumb.

    Shit, i’m slacking off…

    Troll troll troll your Volt, gently up the stream…
    merily merily merily merily, Volt is jusaPipeDream….
    :-P


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (6:37 pm)

    Echin McCrotch: lol…
    See post #112, it’s not my post but a resident here…i’m just “Trolling along my way…..”
    http://gm-volt.com/2010/07/14/gm-to-announce-chevrolet-volt-battery-warranty-manufacturing-update-and-major-consumer-initiative/

    Germany’s closer! …to France and England. That’s plugin Prius territory. Where do you live?


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (6:38 pm)

    Echin McCrotch: Tagamet: Because GM is smarter than Nissan. So smart they went bankrupt and took your money and everyone else’s.
    Come to think of it, that is pretty smart. What am I SAYING!!!

    Even though i would love to punch this guy in the face.

    He’s got a point with this one…….


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    JonP.: Even though i would love to punch this guy in the face.
    He’s got a point with this one…….

    Renault is still waiting for a return on investment. Without the French Nissan would have been long gone. The Leaf would still be around. It’d just be uglier.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (6:44 pm)

    Another thing guys…….

    I know we have had a flood of trolls lately but,
    It seems like anyone that post something that strays from the GM party line gets a major negative vote.
    There is a difference between having questions, and disagreeing than purposely coming on this site to spew hate.

    Lets save the negative votes for the trolls. One of the things i’ve loved about this site for quite a while is the collection of intellectuals sharing theories, and ideas. Debating points and the such is whats good about this site.
    If a guy says that today was far from o major announcement or that they just met industry standards he’s getting -10…. What’s that about?


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (6:47 pm)

    crew: Renault is still waiting for a return on investment. Without the French Nissan would have been long gone. The Leaf would still be around. It’d just be uglier.

    I agree but they(Nissan) still avoided bankruptcy. You could say that if it wasn’t for FORD building all that reserve money they WOULD of went under also. I didn’t see anyone looking to buy GM when things got rough….


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (6:51 pm)

    Zachary Taylor (Jackson): Wasn’t able to stay online during the chat, but just saw the replay.It was good to see lots more concise, short answers than in past chats. I predict that unambiguous answers will intensify as launch draws closer …  (Quote)

    +1 I agree.

    RECHARGE!

    James

    kdawg: So Statik, does this mean your are going to try to destroy your battery after 7 years, 11 months, and 99,999 miles, so you can get a new one free? (since you are paying for it anyway)  (Quote)


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (6:54 pm)

    JonP.: Another thing guys…….I know we have had a flood of trolls lately but,
    It seems like anyone that post something that strays from the GM party line gets a major negative vote.
    There is a difference between having questions, and disagreeing than purposely coming on this site to spew hate.Lets save the negative votes for the trolls. One of the things i’ve loved about this site for quite a while is the collection of intellectuals sharing theories, and ideas. Debating points and the such is whats good about this site.
    If a guy says that today was far from o major announcement or that they just met industry standards he’s getting -10…. What’s that about?  

    I also have noticed that the negative votes seem more popular for those who speak anything that might be construed as anti-GM or anti-Volt.

    Negatives should not be based on whether it strays from your point of view, but for posters who post worthless crap.

    This site does seem to be swaying more to the fanatical, and I have been following this site for quite some time.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (6:54 pm)

    See the following link:
    http://gm-volt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4440

    Dave G: This is the first time I’ve heard this kind of detail on the internal pack design.With 9 modules of 32 cells, and each cell at around 3.6 volts, I would guess the battery pack is organized as follows:• All 32 cells in each module are wired in series (around 115 volts per module)• 3 modules are connected in series form a group (around 345 volts per gorup)• The 3 groups are then connected parallel (still around 345 volts, but 3 times the # of amps) So if a battery cell fails, the battery pack processor will probably remove 1 whole group (3 modules), which gives you 2/3 of your total pack power, easily enough get to home or to a service station.  (Quote)

    Dave, here is a post I made in the engineering forum on 03-26-2010:

    “To be more specific, the animation showed the battery pack with 9 modules in the following geometry: 3 in front of the gap, 2 behind the gap, and 4 across the T. I can’t guarantee that the animation is accurate, but it may be.

    If you start from the assumption that the pack has 288 cells organized as 3 parallel sets of 96 cells in series, this could be done with 9 modules each having 32 cells in series. The modules would be connected as 3 parallel sets of 3 modules. This is consistent with the belief that the nominal cell voltage is 3.75 volts since 3.75 times 96 cells in series equals 360 volts which is the pack voltage shown on the labels in the pack photos.

    Again, I can’t promise that what I describe is the actual pack organization, but this animation makes it seem like a pretty good possibility.”

    ===

    So, what I said seems to have been accurate. I believe that the pack’s diagnostics and failure recovery will be more powerful and flexible than what you describe.

    I would guess that a cell which fails shorted will just reduce the module voltage from 120 v to 116.25 v. Still quite usable.

    If a cell fails open then the module it is part of will be unusable. I would guess that relays can reconfigure the pack to give full voltage at 2/3 of rated power and energy as long as no more than 3 of the 9 modules have failed open. Similarly 1/3 of rated power and energy would be available for “limp home” as long as no more than 6 of the 9 modules have failed open. I’m just guessing here, there is no hard evidence for any of this.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (7:03 pm)

    Sensible posts have been the hallmark of this site and I have followed it from the beginning. The Chevy site was frequented fairly often because of the availability of the GM direct input there but that has given in to the publicists. The engineering staff of GM has a worldwide presence that hasn’t been put to the test like this ever. They are sweating this one out for sure.

    The Volt has spawned a debate that is being put into production as we speak.

    The next gen Volt and the 3rd generation of the Voltec system is being developed at such a rapid pace that any company without the validation experience of GM is just going to have to pick a narrow approach and live or die by it.

    Toyota has a Prius halo that will be overshadowed by substantially electrically driven vehicles. Not just GM. GM is in the forefront because it has the experience and now it has had the infusion of guts (thanks Bob!) to take a visible technology lead for relevant cars and trucks.
    If it took bankruptcy to bury the crap it had, then good for us. Time to move on.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (7:06 pm)

    Rashiid Amul: I thought of buying the Cruze. Ironically, I can’t get cruise control with the Standard Shift.

    Where did you get the pricing and options list for a 2011 Cruze. The Chevy site does not list it yet with options.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (7:13 pm)

    JonP.: I agree but they(Nissan) still avoided bankruptcy. You could say that if it wasn’t for FORD building all that reserve money they WOULD of went under also. I didn’t see anyone looking to buy GM when things got rough….

    Ford was trapped into a position that couldn’t follow GM when GM invested billions in the large SUV’s we see now. That lack of like investment kept them alive.
    The size of Nissan really doesn’t compare to the size of GM. GM just got too big with legacy costs and too expensive to save with any takeover. GM was already expanding its ownership of Subaru, Fiat (or should I say expensively getting out of Fiat), and Suzuki, when Nissan became available. Nissan was not an attractive picture at that time at all.
    But ultimately you’re right. The moves made can’t be changed. On a positive GM note, the GM IPO is just around the corner and the taxpayers will certainly have a quick and profitable turnaround.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (7:15 pm)

    JonP.: Another thing guys…….I know we have had a flood of trolls lately but,
    It seems like anyone that post something that strays from the GM party line gets a major negative vote.
    There is a difference between having questions, and disagreeing than purposely coming on this site to spew hate.Lets save the negative votes for the trolls. One of the things i’ve loved about this site for quite a while is the collection of intellectuals sharing theories, and ideas. Debating points and the such is whats good about this site.
    If a guy says that today was far from o major announcement or that they just met industry standards he’s getting -10…. What’s that about?  

    This is amazingly rational for you. I agree 100%. Peace.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (7:17 pm)

    Darpa: Chevrolet Volt will not be rated at 230 mpgChevrolet Volt will not be rated at 230 mpgChevrolet Volt will not be rated at 230 mpgChevrolet Volt will not be rated at 230 mpghttp://www.autoblog.com/2010/07/14/chevrolet-volt-loses-230-mpg-rating-victory-red-debuts/  

    Thank goodness. It was a scam anyway.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (7:19 pm)

    now tell us how you really feel – and don’t hold back on the Glenn Beck bile…we might not understand where you’re coming from.

    Red Blooded American: The less California and New York the better. We don’t need no input from these states of liberal scum that are havens for illegal immigrant criminals that are slowly destroying this once great nation.I would not listen to Cali on environmental issues when they cannot even clean up their own back yard (they are still the most polluted state in the nation). These are bankrupt states that are run by massively incompetent people.  (Quote)


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (7:30 pm)

    James: +1 I agree.RECHARGE! James  (Quote)

    Wow, Hey Statik, please disregard the addition of that kdawg quote ( I actually gave it a -1), I must’ve not rechecked my post for errors since it was so short. I was agreeding with Jackson, not Kdawg’s quote, not sure how that got on there – Looks like I’m a bit rusty since I haven’t posted for awhile.

    RECHARGE!

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    Jul 14th, 2010 (7:41 pm)

    JonP.: Another thing guys…….I know we have had a flood of trolls lately but,It seems like anyone that post something that strays from the GM party line gets a major negative vote.There is a difference between having questions, and disagreeing than purposely coming on this site to spew hate.Lets save the negative votes for the trolls. One of the things i’ve loved about this site for quite a while is the collection of intellectuals sharing theories, and ideas. Debating points and the such is whats good about this site.If a guy says that today was far from o major announcement or that they just met industry standards he’s getting -10…. What’s that about?  (Quote)

    Save your breath. This site has always been hostile to contrarian opinions, no matter how well grounded in fact they may be.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (7:52 pm)

    Charlie H: Save your breath. This site has always been hostile to contrarian opinions, no matter how well grounded in fact they may be.  (Quote)

    Fine examples would be posts 8 and 40. People perfectly reasonably pointing out that GM’s battery warranty does not match the warranty on other traction batteries already on the market.

    Both posts voted into invisibility by people who are actively hostile to reality.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (7:54 pm)

    RE; 230 mpg

    Rashiid Amul: It was a scam anyway.

    You know what? That 230 mpg figure is more valid for the Volt than the Leaf 100 mile range! Just ask any mini-e driver about the same EPA rating for that car. The electric beemer was rated at 150 but even BMW knew enough to tell the lessees that 100 miles would be what to expect.

    The 230 mpg is stupid as a number to publicize. Miles per gallon of gas, but only if you don’t use gas? Ridiculous. But as an electric miles/kwh/$ comparison to miles/gallon/$, 230 is very realistic. Quebeq hydro customers easily beat that number. $0.55 for 10 kwh and $3.67/gal at 40 mpg equals 266 mpg equivalent.
    Since the Leaf range will vary more dramatically than the Volt range will vary, mocking 230 only comes back at any air cooled battery critic.

    I hate defending the number but I’ve been holding back the defense for too long. The strength of the Volt vs available competition makes the argument.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (7:55 pm)

    V=IR: From the GM-Volt archives (August 5th, 2008):Although he [Larry Burns, VP of Research and Development] confirms battery development remains on track, he noted that challenges remain in proving the batteries will last 10 years and 150,000 miles, indicating for the first time publicly that GM plans to warranty that benchmark.So, it appears that at one point they thought they had to hit the 10y/150,000mi target.I wonder what changed?  

    I think they backed it off to 8yr/100K miles about a year ago. There was some discussion here on gm-volt about the change at that time. So the announcement is consistent.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (7:58 pm)

    Tagamet: I was here for the whole chat, but if any consumer initiative was mentioned I missed it. I sent some questions, but wasn’t selected (though one was just a “funny”).
    Anyone know if I lost sleep last night over an *imagined* initiative?Be well and believe,
    TagametLet’s Just Get The VOLTS ‘Wheels On The Road!!****NPNS  

    It wasn’t possible for me to follow the site today.
    Was there an announcement of a major customer initiative of some kind?


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (8:07 pm)

    JonP.: If a guy says that today was far from o major announcement or that they just met industry standards he’s getting -10…. What’s that about?

    TROLLS vote.

    Be well and believe,
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    Jul 14th, 2010 (8:10 pm)

    RB: Tagamet: I was here for the whole chat, but if any consumer initiative was mentioned I missed it. I sent some questions, but wasn’t selected (though one was just a “funny”).
    Anyone know if I lost sleep last night over an *imagined* initiative?Be well and believe,
    TagametLet’s Just Get The VOLTS ‘Wheels On The Road!!****NPNS

    It wasn’t possible for me to follow the site today.
    Was there an announcement of a major customer initiative of some kind?

    I still didn’t see one.

    Be well and believe,
    Tagamet

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    Jul 14th, 2010 (8:13 pm)

    Ben: Are they serious?So they compare a car warranty VS laptops and iPads…. LOLwhy don’t they compare it to Costco exchange/refund policy while they are at it.  

    Like it or not, I’ve heard my very own friends say things that relate to this comparison. “Yea, how much is it gonna cost when you have to replace that big battery after a couple of years?”
    It’s important to let people know this is a different beast.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (8:13 pm)

    8 years is good… plus after 8 years the electric range will be lower but you can still drive the car.
    The Prius is dead when the battey goes low… it needs both the gas engine and the elec motor to run… the VOLT is all electric driveline. Time will tell … i know too many people who junked their Pruis after 8 years and paid over $30K


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (8:14 pm)

    http://green.autoblog.com/photos/first-red-chevrolet-volt/#3172866

    Maybe it’s just me, or maybe I’m shallow —- But to me, today’s article re: the “big” announcement on battery warranty wasn’t the big Volt news of the day but rather the first sighting of a near production Volt with new shifter design and non-whiz-bang-graphics door panels in a new color – Victory Red!

    Tony Posawatz, in a video posted on YouTube over two months ago, whilst explaining Volt details to Plug In America test drivers, said that the battery’s warranty may well be under 10 years, and/or about 100,000 miles. No new news here. But I think these photos are big news, compared.

    Being a detail guy I’m noticing all sorts of things from this car which looks like the 99.6% production Volt we’ve heard of. I’m noticing lots of details from the pictures ( link above ) such as how nice the gray center console looks with the tan interior and door panels. Thank God the door panels have lost the shiny silver woo hoo Jetson’s graphics. I’m noticing the two major function dials stacked on the console under the touchscreen are in the final design, and it looks as if the outer ring is rubberized? For better tactile use. They’re sticking with the hard plastic console with nibs, as we all expected, and seem to be very controversial amongst test drivers, and I’m sure will get nagged upon by auto magazines as “fiddly and confusing”…. I haven’t driven one so I can’t comment… I do see dust on the shiny plastic and I know it will be a dust magnet, perhaps GM could include a nice microfiber cloth in the glovebox for daily cleaning. My ’07 Prius has funky shiney translucent black plastic under the touchscreen and on the console which is constantly looking like a dust farm even when the interior is spotless….I have been considering trying some sort of plastic wax that might make the plastic less static-attractant and perhaps that’s a solution Volt owners will need to try…

    The Victory Red looks fantastic IMO, it’s great to see Volt in new and vibrant colors at last! I will still petition GM for “Transformer Blue” as in the movie but that red might be on my list if they don’t do the blue. Somebody call Red HHR and tell him to sell the Miata! :)

    I’m noticing this particular Volt also has the rectangle jack plug on the left side of the bumper in front, but seems not to have the small circular parking warning sensors that other Volt pre-production versions have been seen sporting.

    All-in-all I think this is very big news. Any comments on the new non-knuckle-busting shifter design and the seemingly production-ready tweaks?

    My last observations are the 17″ wheels which don’t match the bigger 18″ or 19″ers on the newer Volt promotion pictures ( green background ) like on my computer’s desktop. I’m still wondering if the larger wheels will be an option. Also the instrument binnacle remains gloss white while the center console is gray – I wonder if that is an anomaly or part of the .4% of
    details still to be finalized?

    RECHARGE!

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    Jul 14th, 2010 (8:16 pm)

    Cab Driver: I would guess that a cell which fails shorted will just reduce the module voltage from 120 v to 116.25 v. Still quite usable.

    I would guess that a shorted cell would cause the voltage between groups of modules to become uneven, which would cause a significant amount of current to flow within the battery. So I don’t believe that’s a good solution. Any type of cell failure would probably cause a whole group of modules to be removed.

    Also note that Li/Ion cell voltage varies from 3.5 to 4 volts, depending on the state of charge. So the charger and battery software has to be sure the voltages stay balanced.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (8:18 pm)

    nuclearboy:
    Where did you get the pricing and options list for a 2011 Cruze.The Chevy site does not list it yet with options.  

    Right here:
    http://www.kbb.com/new-cars/chevrolet/cruze/2011/pricing-report


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (8:26 pm)

    JonP.: If a guy says that today was far from o major announcement or that they just met industry standards he’s getting -10…. What’s that about?

    Major announcement? Maybe not. But calling this an industry standard. I honestly think that’s a little rough since this is a battery that will be used from 80 to 30 percent every day, from the hottest days in the desert, to the coldest days on the tundra. 8 Years 100,000 miles in my opinion is a history making announcement, a warranty that sets a benchmark for all electric cars in the future.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (8:28 pm)

    Don’t know if someone posted something like this yet or not. It explains the California and Federal Rebate for electric cars. Lawyers might be needed! ;-)

    https://energycenter.org/index.php/incentive-programs/clean-vehicle-rebate-project


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (8:36 pm)

    John W (Tampa):
    Major announcement? Maybe not. But calling this an industry standard.I honestly think that’s a little rough since this is a battery that will be used from 80 to 30 percent every day, from the hottest days in the desert, to the coldest days on the tundra. 8 Years 100,000 miles in my opinion is a history making announcement, a warranty that sets a benchmark for all electric cars in the future.  

    Maybe the battery warranty is fine, but what about the rest of the car?
    GM needs to win back customers that is lost during the 1970′s – 1990′s.
    The other Volt warranties should be better than the rest, not the same.
    They need to stand up and shout: LOOK AT ME! I’M BETTER THAN THOSE OTHER CAR COMPANIES AND I WILL PROVE IT. I WILL GIVE YOU ALL 6 YEAR/60,000 MILES BUMPER TO BUMPER WARRANTY. JUST COME BACK TO US AND BUY OUR CARS. WE’LL SHOW YOU WE ARE DIFFERENT. WE’LL SHOW YOU HOW GREAT WE ARE!!! WE’LL SHOW YOU HOW GOOD OUR CARS ARE AND THAT WE WILL BACK UP THESE STATEMENTS WITH THE BEST WARRANTY IN AMERICA.

    But instead, they give us the same lame old warranty most other car companies give.
    Hyundai and Kia are the exceptions.
    GM needs to prove itself to the American people again. They have a negative perception (real or not) that they need to overcome. A good way is what I stated above.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (8:37 pm)

    Tagamet: I was here for the whole chat, but if any consumer initiative was mentioned I missed it. I sent some questions, but wasn’t selected (though one was just a “funny”).
    Anyone know if I lost sleep last night over an *imagined* initiative?Be well and believe,
    TagametLet’s Just Get The VOLTS ‘Wheels On The Road!!****NPNS  

    I got the same impression. More pre announcement hype than substance. At first read the warranties looked good. The battery is OK and so is the ICE….. If you drive longer distances the battery is essentially under used.. or if you drive a lot of < 40 mi. distances the ICE is under used. So in retrospect both of these warranties are really for shorter distances. The time factor is really not relevant. Oh well, l it is much better than no warranty :+}

    Like you I am not sure there was an initiative. If we missed it can someone fill us in?


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (8:37 pm)

    Ben: Are they serious?So they compare a car warranty VS laptops and iPads…. LOLwhy don’t they compare it to Costco exchange/refund policy while they are at it.  

    No. They compare an electric car battery to a laptop battery and an iPad battery.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (8:37 pm)

    John W (Tampa): Major announcement? Maybe not. But calling this an industry standard. I honestly think that’s a little rough since this is a battery that will be used from 80 to 30 percent every day, from the hottest days in the desert, to the coldest days on the tundra. 8 Years 100,000 miles in my opinion is a history making announcement, a warranty that sets a benchmark for all electric cars in the future.  (Quote)

    The Prius battery gets the same duty cycle. Sounds like an industry standard to me.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (8:37 pm)

    Oh wait! One other change I’ve noticed in the shots of the Victory Red Volt at autobloggreen.com is the new bright blue start button! Looks good – better, IMO than the previous version in the testers people have driven.

    One more thought on the white vs. gray console —- I’m thinkin’ most of us would opt for the gray, yet the white won’t show the inevitable dust.

    Nayhhh….I’d go gray, and try to find a solution, like I posted above. White would be nice as to not have to dust every single day though….hmmmm….

    On the console nubs…..I have always thought the design to be busy and a blatant attempt to look futuristic by Volt designers. Since so many of the nubs are the same and during daylight, the little letters indicating functions are hard to read – I think it is a bad design. It is, however, easier to navigate at night with letter backlighting, but the Volt owner will take their eyes off of the road too often IMO to hit buttons on the console – whereas a better design would make them finger accessible ( as my Prius’ steering wheel buttons are dished or nubbed or pitted as to tell the function by touch and not a visual check. ) GM are you listening?

    Those gripes are obviusly minor ones and wouldn’t stop me from buying a Volt when they’re available in Seattle though. We want Volts!

    RECHARGE!

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    Jul 14th, 2010 (8:42 pm)

    neutron: Like you I am not sure there was an initiative. If we missed it can someone fill us in?

    Yes, *please* fill us in. I actually did have trouble sleeping last night – wondering about all the possibilities. I need to get a life.

    Be well and believe,
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    Jul 14th, 2010 (8:55 pm)

    Gary: What’s the deal with all the cuckoos with the ridiculous fake names on this board over the past few days and weeks? Lyle, didn’t you once post indicating that all these annoying messages supposedly from different people were all logged from one IP address?Can it be made so that once a person’s stoopid message gets voted down enough, it just isn’t viewable any more, period? Some Internet message boards have a link to “Report Offensive Content”. Maybe there should be a link called “Report Idiotic Content” here?  (Quote)

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    Jul 14th, 2010 (8:56 pm)

    James: http://green.autoblog.com/photos/first-red-chevrolet-volt/#3172866Maybe it’s just me, or maybe I’m shallow —- But to me, today’s article re: the “big” announcement on battery warranty wasn’t the big Volt news of the day but rather the first sighting of a near production Volt with new shifter design and non-whiz-bang-graphics door panels in a new color – Victory Red!Tony Posawatz, in a video posted on YouTube over two months ago, whilst explaining Volt details to Plug In America test drivers, said that the battery’s warranty may well be under 10 years, and/or about 100,000 miles. No new news here. But I think these photos are big news, compared.Being a detail guy I’m noticing all sorts of things from this car which looks like the 99.6% production Volt we’ve heard of. I’m noticing lots of details from the pictures ( link above ) such as how nice the gray center console looks with the tan interior and door panels. Thank God the door panels have lost the shiny silver woo hoo Jetson’s graphics. I’m noticing the two major function dials stacked on the console under the touchscreen are in the final design, and it looks as if the outer ring is rubberized? For better tactile use. They’re sticking with the hard plastic console with nibs, as we all expected, and seem to be very controversial amongst test drivers, and I’m sure will get nagged upon by magazines as “fiddly and confusing”…. I haven’t driven one so I can’t comment… I do see dust on the shiny plastic and I know it will be a dust magnet, perhaps GM could include a nice microfiber cloth in the glovebox for daily cleaning. …….…The Victory Red looks fantastic IMO, it’s great to see Volt in new and vibrant colors at last! I will still petition GM for “Transformer Blue” as in the movie but that red might be on my list if they don’t do the blue. …
    I’m noticing this particular Volt also has the rectangle jack plug on the left side of the bumper in front, but seems not to have the small circular parking warning sensors that other Volt pre-production versions have been seen sporting.
    All-in-all I think this is very big news. Any comments on the new non-knuckle-busting shifter design and the seemingly production-ready tweaks?
    My last observations are the 17″ wheels which don’t match the bigger 18″ or 19″ers on the newer Volt promotion pictures ( green background ) like on my computer’s desktop. I’m still wondering if the larger wheels will be an option. Also the instrument binnacle remains gloss white while the center console is gray – I wonder if that is an anomaly or part of the .4% of
    details still to be finalized?RECHARGE!James  

    Thanks for the info. IS/Was the “consumer iniative” the fact we were supposed find the new changes on the VOLT have noted above???
    :=}

    I like Red but the Blue on in the picture you have is nice too


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (8:57 pm)

    With a forty mile range and a 8 year battery life this is really an expensive golf cart.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (9:02 pm)

    neutron: …IS/Was the “consumer iniative” the fact we were supposed find the new changes on the VOLT have noted above???…
    :=}

    Wow, if that’s being floated as a major consumer initiative, I remain seriously unimpressed.

    Be well and believe,
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    Jul 14th, 2010 (9:13 pm)

    ClarksonCote: Kia? Hyundai? I thought they both had 100k bumper to bumper (and others now too).join thE REVolution  (Quote)

    Think it’s 100K power train, not bumper to bumper. At least it wasn’t in 2003. Don’t think anyone is 100k bumper to bumper.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (9:13 pm)

    Darpa: victory red

    So much awesomeness in one post! Thanks, made my month!
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    Jul 14th, 2010 (9:16 pm)

    DonC: The Volt has a new color — Victory Red. Also check out the grey stack. Much better than the white IMO. http://green.autoblog.com/2010/07/14/chevrolet-volt-shows-up-wearing-victory-red-for-the-first-time/  

    Thanks for the link Don (and the picture post Don HHR), she looks way sharp in Red.

    I’m hoping they get rid of the black lower body panels (I can live with the fake window black treatment, but lets make the lower body the same color as the side body panels – it currently looks unfinished).

    Wow, sweet in Red.

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    Jul 14th, 2010 (9:17 pm)

    I wonder if they would give it to Lyle, for evaluation?


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    Sasparilla: Wow, sweet in Red.

    Such an understatement…
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    Jul 14th, 2010 (9:29 pm)

    Sasparilla: I’m hoping they get rid of the black lower body panels (I can live with the fake window black treatment, but lets make the lower body the same color as the side body panels – it currently looks unfinished).

    Or put a bit of black on the bottom of the doors…
    I still am catching my breath!
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    Jul 14th, 2010 (9:31 pm)

    Red HHR:
    Or put a bit of black on the bottom of the doors…
    I still am catching my breath!
      

    Driving it, even briefly, has the same effect.

    Be well and believe,
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    Jul 14th, 2010 (9:33 pm)

    10 years/150,000 miles warranty is required in the 17 CARB states for vehicles certified with a PZEV emission rating.

    Since emission rating is based upon distance traveled using standard drive-cycle measurements, the electricity supplied by a plug is taken into account. There is a minimum criteria to be eligible for selling, which is based upon emission rating.

    If Volt only comes with 8 years/100,000 miles coverage nationwide, that all but confirms it isn’t PZEV rated. What do you think it will be… or for that matter, should be?


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (9:35 pm)

    OK, time to plug it in for the night.
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    Jul 14th, 2010 (9:43 pm)

    Red HHR: Sleep tight.

    You too.

    Be well and believe,
    Tagamet

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    Jul 14th, 2010 (9:46 pm)

    crew: RE; 230 mpgYou know what? That 230 mpg figure is more valid for the Volt than the Leaf 100 mile range! Just ask any mini-e driver about the same EPA rating for that car. The electric beemer was rated at 150 but even BMW knew enough to tell the lessees that 100 miles would be what to expect.The 230 mpg is stupid as a number to publicize. Miles per gallon of gas, but only if you don’t use gas? Ridiculous. But as an electric miles/kwh/$ comparison to miles/gallon/$, 230 is very realistic. Quebeq hydro customers easily beat that number. $0.55 for 10 kwh and $3.67/gal at 40 mpg equals 266 mpg equivalent.Since the Leaf range will vary more dramatically than the Volt range will vary, mocking 230 only comes back at any air cooled battery critic.I hate defending the number but I’ve been holding back the defense for too long. The strength of the Volt vs available competition makes the argument.  (Quote)

    I just figured the 230 mpg EPA rating just pointed out the problems with the then current testing method. Take a fully charged car, it runs on battery, finishes in charge sustain mode
    and the fuel consumption works out to 230 mpg. Anyone that thinks about how the car actually works realizes that the test wasn’t designed to that plug-in hybrid operation into account.

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    Jul 14th, 2010 (9:58 pm)

    Tagamet:
    Yes, *please* fill us in. I actually did have trouble sleeping last night – wondering about all the possibilities. I need to get a life.Be well and believe,
    TagametLet’s Just Get The VOLTS ‘Wheels On The Road!!****NPNS  

    Hi Tag – now calm down now, you’re just having Volt withdrawals as the daily information is becoming fewer and farther from anything new.

    Now relax, Mr. Counselor and go to Autobloggreen.com and feast your eyes on that near production bright “Victory Red” Volt and it’s schnazzy gray and tan interior, and just notice the new details – this ought to tide you over for tonight, and tomorrow is another day for recovery —- my good man. L :) L

    Remember – GM marketing guys are savvy, and Obama is visiting the Michigan LG battery plant locale tomorrow – and any new news will definately get broadcast tomorrow and all the free publicity would be golden. Remember, the president goes on TV every day and many people hang on his every word. Maybe they’ll disclose when GM may sell Volt in all 50 – you never know. If it’s the big price announcement, this would be a good time to reveal it.

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    Jul 14th, 2010 (10:00 pm)

    This is a solid warranty similar to the Ford Fusion Hybrid 8 years / 80,000 miles. I would expect the LEAF to have something comparable as well.

    GO EV’s!!!


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (10:00 pm)

    The real beauty is the all-weather operation. It will simply out-perform all BEVs in extreme temperatures. It will also be far safer because you have high-density fuel (gasoline) to keep you either cooled or heated in those extreme temperatures, where your life may be on the line (caught in a blizzard or in the desert).

    Thus, I think the plug-in hybrid is going to be even bigger than we expect, until batteries can hold the energy that liquid fuels do (will take a very long time at the current rate of progress).

    Go Volt!


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (10:00 pm)

    Keith: The following is a repost of an earlier statement which is true .It seems to be apparent that some of you don’t want to see the truth posted .You are acting like a child , in a lot of cases and that is not right . “…We’re moving fast to deliver for the customer and ensure the Volt launch stays on track..”That is just hilarious statement. GM has been dragging their sorry arses on this project for more than three plus YEARS !!! Beware that almost NO NEW TECHNOLOGY was invented to build this car. Lithium batteries where already well proven in many commercial applications well before GM decided to do its internal testing. No wonder the Lithium battery performed so well because they HAD ALREADY BEEN TESTED FOR MANY YEARS PRIOR you stupid fools.I just cannot fathom how stupid and lame some of these statements from GM are. They act like they just personally discovered this fancy new Lithium-based technology when it was already well proven and in fact was already being used to drive many automobiles BEFORE GM GOT THEIR HEAD OUT OF THEIR ARSE !!!Once again 3.5 YEARS is NOT MOVING FAST to develop a car using EXISTING TECHNOLOGY !!Dumb Dumb Engineering.   (Quote)

    Maybe if you’ve never been involved in product development this seems like it should be true. It’s actually a very naive view of what it takes to design and build something. If all this stuff is already fully tested and off-the-shelf, then why isn’t EVERYONE already making them? It’s easy, right? Got a reason that doesn’t end up looking like a wacko conspiracy theory?


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (10:11 pm)

    Sasparilla:
    Thanks for the link Don (and the picture post Don HHR), she looks way sharp in Red.I’m hoping they get rid of the black lower body panels (I can live with the fake window black treatment, but lets make the lower body the same color as the side body panels – it currently looks unfinished).Wow, sweet in Red.Sasparilla  

    I agree Sas, I’ve always lamented the “hanging doors” look the gray underbody presents. In the concept show Volt the gray line was below the front door rising to higher after the rear door, but when they made the production intent versions, they had to raise the airdam and make a lower large rubber spoiler that wouldn’t crack when hitting a curb or speed bump. It seems the final version suffered from that design change as they tried to even up the gray from the front fender ahead of the wheel well to that line behind that wheel well. Charcoal gray and black Volts look good because the hanging door effect is diminished, but I think aftermarket or custom Volts will just have the lower doors painted gray straight across the bottom so they match up with the line at the rear fender*.

    *I wish I knew how to photoshop so I could show what I mean, but I’m sure you can picture what I’m saying.

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    Jul 14th, 2010 (10:12 pm)

    James: Wow, Hey Statik, please disregard the addition of that kdawg quote ( I actually gave it a -1), I must’ve not rechecked my post for errors since it was so short. I was agreeding with Jackson, not Kdawg’s quote, not sure how that got on there – Looks like I’m a bit rusty since I haven’t posted for awhile.
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    Don’t bother w/the negatives, since it was more of an inside comment to Statik referring to a post several months ago where a few of us talked about the baked in battery costs. Statik had mentioned doing whatever he could to get a new battery before the warranty ran out since it had been suggested that the Volt’s price included (2) batteries. I was just curious if that was still his plan (w/either a Volt or a Leaf).


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (10:19 pm)

    kdawg:
    Don’t bother w/the negatives, since it was more of an inside comment to Statik referring to a post several months ago where a few of us talked about the baked in battery costs.Statik had mentioned doing whatever he could to get a new battery before the warranty ran out since it had been suggested that the Volt’s price included (2) batteries.I was just curious if that was still his plan (w/either a Volt or a Leaf).  

    I’m sorry about that, I misunderstood then. It sounded like a putdown since he’s buying a Leaf. My bad. Didn’t know it was an inside info thang.

    Peace…. :)

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    P.S. – I tried to undo my neg1 but it said “You Already Voted”. I noticed a couple other people misunderstood it also since my neg vote wasn’t alone.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (10:28 pm)

    James: Any comments on the new non-knuckle-busting shifter design and the seemingly production-ready tweaks?

    I like what they did with the shifter, but the rest of the console looks kind of cheap. The center screen looks like something out of the 70′s with that curvature and color, and the capacitive buttons seem to have some more raised piece on them now that diminishes the how nice the style was previously, IMHO. What’s everyone else think?

    Oh, and I really love the red, that’s sweet. Wish they had a blue too.

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    Jul 14th, 2010 (10:41 pm)

    I had another observation as I’ve been reading as much of the articles and comments the last two weeks as time has allowed ( including Lyle referring to me and others who question GM’s following through or holding them accountable as “conspiracy theorists”L :) L - and not realists.

    That aside ( no prob Lyle, we can give each other a hard time at our first Volt owners meet in 2015 after Seattlites can buy one – maybe ), I had to agree with another poster who pointed out the strangeness and non-user-friendliness of a Sport Mode button halfway down the console. If you want to make a passing manuever or get that extra oomph to avoid danger or….beat a light for that matter….not like IIIIII dooo thaaaat….. ( shakes head ) you’d want that power algorithm mapping done automatically with accelerator speed and position, I would think. Most of us don’t buy Volts for a speed machine, but to get off oil, so hitting a button before, say getting onto a particularly busy onramp isn’t a bad idea except it should be on a paddle behind the wheel, or even a button easily accessed by thumb on the wheel itself by feel. I just can’t see anyone reaching for a button and taking eyes off road to get ahead of that loping semi truck as we merge onto a highway – aint gonna happen – or aint gonna happen safely.

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    Jul 14th, 2010 (10:44 pm)

    Looks like fun.

    CHEVY VOLT, American-made, American-FUELED. May Elon Musk, and Tesla, the inspiration for the Volt, also survive. American needs all the electrics.


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (10:45 pm)

    Steve: I just figured the 230 mpg EPA rating just pointed out the problems with the then current testing method. Take a fully charged car, it runs on battery, finishes in charge sustain mode
    and the fuel consumption works out to 230 mpg.Anyone that thinks about how the car actually works realizes that the test wasn’t designed to that plug-in hybrid operation into account.
    Not so much a scam as showing you can’t use an obsolete testing and rating system

    Nah.
    It was pure PR from the marketing department. Get a buz going. Use something to get people to look up from the laptop (not the morning paper anymore!) and say, Yeah, right!
    Searching for the validity of the number actually benefits any lighter weighing EV. The Volt turns out to be more than that number and it’s a good thing. Having the engineers do the talking was the smartest move. Note that most of the negative comments are based on marketing points of view, market share, MSRP, power supply pollution and all that and once in a while wave that 230 number to snicker at the company and the car.

    The Volt is first and foremost a pretty good car to use as a, well, car! It uses electricity and/or gas. Your choice. It’s a series hybrid if you choose or an EV for the little stuff, and 75% of our mileage is the little stuff.

    The marketing guys really don’t know what they have and don’t know how to sell it. They probably don’t even get the EV-1!


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (10:59 pm)

    Just thought of an outstanding PR stunt for the Volt: Just get Earnhart Jr., Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson and a few other favorite NASCAR Chevrolet drivers ( heck, Hendricks Motor Sports is already a big Chevrolet franchise! ) to drive slightly modified Volts around Daytona and Indy or Charlotte Motor Speedway and Watkins Glen road course in an unofficial “race”. Place numbers and graphics on the cars and have them do some heavy-footed Sport Mode driving and passing for 200 miles or so.

    The money they’d have to pay these guys would be well worth it, and the free press make up for it. What this does is show the public how Volts aren’t old fart treehugger machines, that they look cool, can go 100 mph and drive farther than a LEAF.

    Can’t you just hear it? “Dale Jr. just passed Johnson in electric mode people – can you imagine this might be the first time a racer passed another on a track without using any gasoline!!!!” Or – ” Just think – this car is not limited to electricity, it can make a pit stop for fuel in a few seconds and go 500 miles just like a NASCAR – but run on AC power too!”

    Added benefit – Shows redneck and white collar NASCAR fans alike that electric cars aren’t for wimps or Sally boys.

    TAGLINE: ” This isn’t your Grandma’s Prius! “

    Again, GM make my check out to ……………

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    Jul 14th, 2010 (11:13 pm)

    kdawg:
    Don’t bother w/the negatives, since it was more of an inside comment to Statik referring to a post several months ago where a few of us talked about the baked in battery costs.Statik had mentioned doing whatever he could to get a new battery before the warranty ran out since it had been suggested that the Volt’s price included (2) batteries.I was just curious if that was still his plan (w/either a Volt or a Leaf).  

    Static’s gone Leaf @ http://www.nissan-leaf.net Maybe he’ll try and run the LEAF battery out!

    GO EV!!!


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    Jul 14th, 2010 (11:34 pm)

    Tagamet: I actually did have trouble sleeping last night – wondering about all the possibilities. I need to get a life.

    To save you any more sleepless nights, here’s the trick. Just look at who is making the announcement. GM is very bureaucratic, so the importance of the announcement is telegraphed by the title of the person making it. The 230 MPG number was big news, so it was CEO material. If the CS Mode MPG is perceived as disappointing or the pricing as on the high side those announcements will be made by someone much further down. With GM it’s all about the titles.


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    Jul 15th, 2010 (12:37 am)

    ClarksonCote: The center screen looks like something out of the 70’s with that curvature and color, and the capacitive buttons seem to have some more raised piece on them now that diminishes the how nice the style was previously, IMHO. What’s everyone else think?

    Have a feeling that we are going to see some creativity regarding the center control panel. Hope to see some out of the box thinking on this.

    =D-Volt


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    Jul 15th, 2010 (1:27 am)

    Tim in SC: In addition to the 3 year bumper-to-bumper warranty, will we have the opportunity to purchase an extended warranty?Say, 5 years, 60,000 miles? Maybe more?  

    I asked that question real early in the chat and he refused to answer it. I added another question about the Whitacre, “If you don’t like it in 60-days bring it back!” and no answer there either. If you get 15miles electric in 100*+ summer at 70mph with a/c buyers will be screaming to get their money back. They flat out won’t tell us up front. We will want to bring it back!


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    Jul 15th, 2010 (1:28 am)

    This 230 MPG is purely marketing/bureaucratic issue and I never wanted to spend any minute on that even reading comments. But battery warranty is major issue for electrified car. I am really disappointed on this topic. I have no idea what will happen after four years because my normal driving distance during one year is about 25 000 miles. How much I shall pay in case of battery failure after warranty period. Shall I replace it or repair it? What fixing cost would be? Should I see purchasing Volt as my life adventure?


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    Jul 15th, 2010 (1:35 am)

    DonC:
    To save you any more sleepless nights, here’s the trick. Just look at who is making the announcement. GM is very bureaucratic, so the importance of the announcement is telegraphed by the title of the person making it. The 230 MPG number was big news, so it was CEO material. If the CS Mode MPG is perceived as disappointing or the pricing as on the high side those announcements will be made by someone much further down. With GM it’s all about the titles.  

    Big Lie’s & Big Quotes! Just take the one from Whitacre, “We have paid back our loans!” Ha! $45Billion, NOT! You forced the American Tax payers to take your worthless stock! If you search hard in Europe you will hear the silent screams of Cruze diesel buyers complaining on their “Rotten Gas Mileage!” I hate to say it, “Will we hear by Christmas 2011 thousands of VOLT buyers screaming rotten electric mileage at highway hot & below freezing temperatures! This crap that mileage will vary is a “Big Load of Bull!” At least the CODA has the balls to flat out say they tested at highway speeds and give you their range!


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    Jul 15th, 2010 (4:30 am)

    Good news all around here…perhaps the Gen II Volt will have a 10-year/150,000 miles warranty on the battery pack? Cannot wait for an announcement on MSRP and charging-mode mileage.

    Sincerely, George, Sudbury, Canada…go Volt!!


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    Jul 15th, 2010 (5:13 am)

    Dave K. said:

    Have a feeling that we are going to see some creativity regarding the center control panel. Hope to see some out of the box thinking on this.

    Radio and heater works fine for me in the center console. Save the Google Maps and GPS stuff for Gen 5.


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    Jul 15th, 2010 (5:34 am)

    #28 Dan Petit said sales rep mentioned after-market warranties.

    How could any company offer an after market warranty. Nobody knows enough about how Volt works to cleverly exclude anything which might go wrong. 8-)


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    Jul 15th, 2010 (7:07 am)

    For Toyota Prius
    “Hybrid-Related Component Coverage: Hybrid-related components for hybrid vehicles are covered for 8 years/100,000 miles. The HV battery may have longer coverage under emissions warranty. Refer to applicable Owner’s WarrantyInformation booklet for details.”

    Huh What? So the warranty is 100,000 miles unless the emission’s warranty says differently?

    And there is this interesting footnote:
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    Jul 15th, 2010 (8:13 am)

    Honda Civic Hybrid “comes with an 8-year/100,000-mile warranty, or a 10-year/150,000-mile warranty in CA, CT, MA, ME, NJ, NY, OR, RI or VT”


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    Jul 15th, 2010 (9:10 am)

    Tom: I see they did not compare it to the prius warranty.Tom  (Quote)

    you and money pit..

    I see that the plug in prius is not comparing their all electric range to the volt …


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    Jul 15th, 2010 (9:42 am)

    Mitch: you and money pit..I see that the plug in prius is not comparing their all electric range to the volt …  (Quote)

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    Jul 15th, 2010 (10:31 am)

    100,000 miles seems reasonable. Even though they are totally different batteries, Our Prius is now almost 9 years old with about 130,000 miles. It spent the first 7 years of its life in upstate New York in frigid sub-zero winters and has been out here in Cali for 2 years. So far it seems the battery has held up fine even though this was the first generation Prius with a few glitches that had yet to be worked out. Surely battery technology has gotten better to the point where the Volt battery will last a lot longer than 100,000 miles.


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    Jul 15th, 2010 (12:26 pm)

    Kdawg, I remember that conversation and gave you a +1. Based on the IMO over engineering of the battery it may be hard to cause the battery to fail before 100,000 miles even if you want it to. I sure hope it has been over engineered. 200,000 miles and 20 miles EV range would be fine with me

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    James: Wow, Hey Statik, please disregard the addition of that kdawg quote ( I actually gave it a -1), I must’ve not rechecked my post for errors since it was so short. I was agreeding with Jackson, not Kdawg’s quote, not sure how that got on there – Looks like I’m a bit rusty since I haven’t posted for awhile.
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    Don’t bother w/the negatives, since it was more of an inside comment to Statik referring to a post several months ago where a few of us talked about the baked in battery costs. Statik had mentioned doing whatever he could to get a new battery before the warranty ran out since it had been suggested that the Volt’s price included (2) batteries. I was just curious if that was still his plan (w/either a Volt or a Leaf).


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    Jul 15th, 2010 (7:44 pm)

    James: Somebody call Red HHR and tell him to sell the Miata! :)

    Anybody want to buy a Miata? It is from the first months production, April ’88.
    First month of Volt production coming up. Maybe I will get one of those also (in 20 years;) ).


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    Jul 16th, 2010 (6:00 pm)

    From whence you came so shall you return. Once a camel jockey back to a camel jockey. In 20 years time, perhaps sooner, you’ll all be back to your Bedouin ways, fighting amongst yourselves for the worthless sand you’ll have left so enjoy it while it lasts. Heheheheh

    Hashish Hussein al-Jihadi: This Volt battery won’t last and your dirty forty will yeild to our rich gasoline that the Volt still requires for any legitimate travel.Failure to drink our liquid gold will have dire consequences for you liberal americans.Our King will not sit idle while you toy with your gasoline addiction. You have been warned by the nation of Islam. Heed this warning or you shall perish.  


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    Jul 23rd, 2010 (4:13 pm)

    250 volts: From whence you came so shall you return. Once a camel jockey back to a camel jockey. In 20 years time, perhaps sooner, you’ll all be back to your Bedouin ways, fighting amongst yourselves for the worthless sand you’ll have left so enjoy it while it lasts. Heheheheh  (Quote)

    Not for the first time, I find myself thinking a “Report Abuse” button would be a good idea.