Jaguar intends to be the third automaker to mass produce an extended range electric car, joining Chevrolet’s Volt and Fisker’s Karma.
The British automaker recognizes the advantage of the extended range over pure electric design. They foresee a time when large cities create emission free requirements for vehicles within their city limits across the globe. Therefore Autocar reports Jaguar executives say “only a self-charging electric car could have sufficient zero-emissions range to be practical transport in such scenarios.”
PHEVs would not have the pure EV range to cover distances into and from those cities
The Jaguar XJ will be powered by a 145 kw electric motor (195 hp) running on electricity supplied by a lithium-ion battery pack.
The range extender will be the 1.2 liter 3-cylinder gas system designed by Lotus specifically for use in range-extended vehicles.
The planned range of the vehicle will be 600 miles and it is expected to achieve a combined fuel economy of 57 mpg (British) and a top speed of 112 mph.
Jaguar executives told Autocar that performance and handling will be surprisingly positive, “because of the bulk that’s removed from car when you strip out the conventional drivetrain.”
The new car is being c0-developed by Jaguar and Lotus in an effort partly funded by the British government.
Source (Autocar)
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Feb 7th, 2010 (9:09 am)And another vote of support for this technology!
Be well,
Tagamet
Let’s Just Get The ***VOLTS’ * * * Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS
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Feb 7th, 2010 (9:20 am)(click to show comment)
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Feb 7th, 2010 (9:23 am)Welcome Jag to the logical side of things. Until a realistic 300 mile battery is developed, this is the answer.
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Feb 7th, 2010 (9:23 am)Lyle,
Please ignore JEC’s post. He speaks for himself alone (lol).
Be well,
Tagamet
Let’s Just Get The ***VOLTS’ * * * Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS
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Feb 7th, 2010 (9:23 am)The way I see it, this is not a hard one to figure out. The infrastructure is not out there for EV and even if it were, do you want to spend hours upon hours waiting for your car to be charged up before you can continue your journey? People want a car that can be used for long and short trips and not only for short trips.
Feb 7th, 2010 (9:26 am)But when they say “Self-Charging”, are they implying that it will not need an external source to charge the battery? Are they planning on having the engine/generator charge the battery back to full?
GM is at least using the engine to enable the car to get to an charge station to charge the battery back up, though I wondered why they are using such a large 4 cylinder rather then a smaller engine (other than, that’s what GM had off their shell).
Still looking forward to Nov, regardless…
Feb 7th, 2010 (9:26 am)Tag,
I knew you were going to say that
Feb 7th, 2010 (9:31 am)Ditto!
OT: Nissan adds Houston to its EV Partnership:
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/02/nissan-houston-20100206.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+greencarcongress%2FTrBK+%28Green+Car+Congress%29
Thats good news for me. This news may spur GM to add Houston to its roll-out list.
Happy trails to you ’til we meet again.
+3
Feb 7th, 2010 (9:31 am)The more the merrier.
In the very beginning this is how I thought the Volt was going to work.
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Feb 7th, 2010 (9:32 am)What does “self charging” mean exactly?
For example, the Mercedes BlueZERO E-CELL PLUS uses a parallel drive system but achieves 60 miles all-electric range. Would they call this “self charging”? http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Sep09/02_001712_Mercedes_Benz_BlueZERO_E_Cell_PLUS_Second_Look.html
As a second example, if you took a Prius, enlarged the battery to 16kWh, and enlarged the electric motors to 150hp, then you would have around 40 miles AER with that. Would that be “self charging”?
I think we need to stop making mumbo-jumbo statements about the design, and start concentrating on one thing: All-Electric Range.
Feb 7th, 2010 (9:39 am)LOL, I’m *sooo* predictable. I need to work on that.
Be well,
Tagamet
Let’s Just Get The ***VOLTS’ * * * Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS
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Feb 7th, 2010 (9:39 am)It’s called a Tesla S
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Feb 7th, 2010 (9:40 am)Jaguar exectuives told Autocar that performance and handling will be surprisingly positive, “because of the bulk that’s removed from car when you strip out the conventional drivetrain.”
It was interesting that they made the above comment. I know we have all discussed the added weight associated with the battery pack, but little discussion about the weight that can be removed. The Jaguar comment kind of implies that the vehicle would weigh less.
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Feb 7th, 2010 (9:40 am)A larger sized gas engine is not necessarily less efficient. For example, the Prius uses a 1.8 liter gas engine and gets 50 MPG. The older Prius used a 1.5L gas engine and got 48 MPG.
It all has to do with how the engine is tuned. If the engine doesn’t need to supply a lot of low-end torque, it can be tuned to be much more efficient.
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Feb 7th, 2010 (9:43 am)(click to show comment)
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Feb 7th, 2010 (9:46 am)George,
I think the operational word is *realistic* 300 miles battery. So far the EV’s on the road haven’t actually produced their nominal range.
Be well,
Tagamet
Let’s Just Get The ***VOLTS’ * * * Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS
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Feb 7th, 2010 (9:52 am)Best of luck for a relatively early roll-out! *Eventually*, if we can remain patient, they will be available everywhere. Tough to be patient at this point though.
Be well,
Tagamet
Let’s Just Get The ***VOLTS’ * * * Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS
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Feb 7th, 2010 (9:55 am)I got that impression too, but without knowing the battery’s weight it’s just an implication. Makes a person appreciate GM’s transparency.
Be well,
Tagamet
Let’s Just Get The ***VOLTS’ * * * Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS
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Feb 7th, 2010 (10:12 am)Anyone want to hazard a guess as to the price tag on this one? Jag’s aren’t known for low price. Conventional “XJ to start from £53,775.” Pretty close to $100k.
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Feb 7th, 2010 (10:15 am)I note that Jaguar indicated a 600 mile total range. While that’s higher than a lot would need, I have to say I am disappointed GM brought the Volt down to 300 miles. The whole point was I could still use it for long trips and vacations. I easily run better than 400 miles between stops (even in the pickup). Just two more gallons in the tank please!
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Feb 7th, 2010 (10:19 am)Sorry guys this post went out without the spell check. Fixed now.
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Feb 7th, 2010 (10:22 am)Or a really impressive mpg (but I still have to say that if compromises have to be made, range should be one of the first). As always, JMO.
Be well,
Tagamet
Let’s Just Get The ***VOLTS’ * * * Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS
Feb 7th, 2010 (10:22 am)Me.
I ran out of edit time. I was going to say, using “Lutz math,” that might mean that the EREV Jaguar XJ might cost about two Tesla S’s.
Feb 7th, 2010 (10:35 am)And how much will that PHEV Jaguar cost? The headline for this post should read “Jaguar Says Only Affordable ‘Self Charging’ Extended Range Electric Cars Make Sense.”
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Feb 7th, 2010 (10:42 am)I suspect GM truly is worried about stale gas for those that will see infrequent use. I have a friend who is a competitive Bass Master sponsored by a major outboard company and he tells me stale gas is giving them fits. Especially the ethanol mixes. These are top end engines with High Pressure Direct Injection. Apparently one of the local gas stations will arraign for his delivery to correspond with the tournament.
Maybe a longer range option for those that will use the ICE. Or maybe an after-market mod coming?
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Feb 7th, 2010 (10:44 am)In my world, “affordable Jaguar” is an oxymoron.
Be well,
Tagamet
Let’s Just Get The ***VOLTS’ * * * Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS
Feb 7th, 2010 (10:44 am)“The British automaker” ? when did India sell it?
I’ve seen a video on Utube that shows their early concept vehicle with that design idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkcn8ZkvKKc
NPNS!
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Feb 7th, 2010 (10:47 am)Or maybe stop for a few minutes every three or four hours…
Be well,
Tagamet
Let’s Just Get The ***VOLTS’ * * * Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS
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Feb 7th, 2010 (11:08 am)Now if only that other guy who sometimes posts here would cut down on all of his spelling and grammatical errors too…he is 5x worse.
/oh to dream
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Feb 7th, 2010 (11:20 am)OK, now all the technical questions;
1) Size of the battery?
2) Size of the gas tank
3) AER?
4) MPG after reaching CDP?
5) Price?
6) Battery life/warranty?
Feb 7th, 2010 (11:39 am)“PHEVs would not have the pure EV range to cover distances into and from those cities”
This assertion assumes a relatively small battery capacity is available in the PHEV. For example, the Prius PHV have a 5.2 kwh battery of which they utilize 3.56 kwh for an AER of about 14 miles. There is room to double the size of the battery, and reduce the storage volume behind the rear seat. And if they did, then then they could drive into and from these cities pretty much like the Volt.
Bottom line, until we see how the EREV does in CS mode, we should not proclaim superior performance based on hope.
Feb 7th, 2010 (11:39 am)Sometime in these next 12 months a manufacturer will offer a freeway ready car (or truck) to the public. Whichever one this turns out to be will find it hard to meet demand.
Will the public be loyal to brand name? Or be content to buy the first available technology? Will models priced over 90k ever catch on?
Each new addition is welcome. Jaguar should do well with it’s SCEREC.
=D~
Feb 7th, 2010 (11:47 am)TaTa can be bold but it generally makes good decisions so I would say this is another company endorsing the technology, which shouldn’t be so surprising since the technology solves the obvious issue with the high cost, high weight, and low energy density of current batteries.
The total range is really not a big deal for either this car or the Volt. You can add a larger gas tank and increase the range. That’s not a big deal. The issues probably relate to increased weight (hence less range), handling, and maybe things like stale gas (though I thought that stale gas was not a problem with the current sealed systems).
Kudos to Lyle for the mis-spellings which I didn’t see. That’s keeping it real!
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Feb 7th, 2010 (11:48 am)Lyle, please don’t sweat this garbage. You work really hard on this site.
A vast majority of us can overlook the typos. None of us here are perfect.
Thank you for all that you do here.
–Rashiid.
Feb 7th, 2010 (12:00 pm)I don’t think Jag are the third to announce mass producing extended range plugins. Hyundai Blue-Will for eg. will have batteries from LG, electric range of 40 miles and a 1.6 litre gas engine.
http://www.caradvice.com.au/42067/hyundai-blue-will-at-frankfurt-motor-show/
http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/25/hyundai-blue-will-plug-in-hybrid-concept-debuts-in-seoul
BTW, Jaguar and Land Rover are now owned by Tata (of Nano fame).
http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/NussbaumOnDesign/archives/2008/03/tata_buys_land.html
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Feb 7th, 2010 (12:01 pm)Dont warry, guhd speling is fore nurds.
Feb 7th, 2010 (12:02 pm)The way I read it, the idea is to drive EV (pollution free) within city limits, so the implication is to self-charge when outside city limits, i.e. between cities, so the pure EV capacity is again available when passing through a city again. It wouldn’t make sense to not allow plug-in capability to me. I wonder if this mode switch would all be automated by an OnStar type in-city position detector so you don’t have to flip a “drive pure EV mode” switch when in town…and how would they enforce it otherwise?
I could see this ability to force a self-charge as a benefit, even for the Volt. For example, in those rare cases when you foresee a long and arduous climb ahead that you know will slow you down in CS mode and you’re already in CS mode, it would help get you over the hump so to speak. Admittedly, it appears the Volt should be able to handle almost all situations without any power fade and time will tell how rare this situation is. I do like the ability to override automation in any case.
It’s another tribute to the series-hybrid model that all kinds of charge/sustain combinations are possible and can be quite easily engineered just by a software change.
It’s good to see another EREV addition–can’t wait!
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Feb 7th, 2010 (12:03 pm)What I see is something similar to the Volt, only with a different charging protocol.
“They foresee a time when large cities create emission free requirements for vehicles within their city limits across the globe.”
So as you leave Paris on you way to Brussels, once out in the countryside, your ICE would run and keep the battery pack at full charge. Upon entering Brussels, you would be required to shut off the ICE and be emissions free until you once again are outside the city limits.
I’m not sure if this will help us reduce our dependence on oil as much, but it does present another advantage for E-REV.
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Feb 7th, 2010 (12:06 pm)LOL, mine too.
Feb 7th, 2010 (12:11 pm)In addition to three automakers cited (Chevy, Jaguar, Fisker), does anyone know what the status is of Volvo’s C30 ReCharge? Will it remain just a concept car, now that Volvo is seemingly in limbo? And what about BYD, the battery-maker in China? I had thought that they were going to team up Volkswagon to mass produce plug-in hybrids as well. Regards, George, Canada
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Feb 7th, 2010 (12:19 pm)I wholeheartedly agree. Lyle, you are making a great contribution here and I would like to add my appreciation for your sacrifice and efforts! This is a great service you provide.
+4
Feb 7th, 2010 (12:29 pm)We the lexicographic irregulars are hot on that guy’s trail. He has only eluded us so far by throwing out number grenades Fortunately he leaves so many bread crumbs…. (smile)
Feb 7th, 2010 (12:34 pm)This comment is directed at all the fuel stabibity comments.
If you are lucky enuf to have a volt and don’t use the cs often, it would seem to make sense( to me ) to protect your investment with some $4 fuel stabilizer sold at almost any gas station. If you only fill up once a month then you could just consider it routine maintenance like rotating the tires. That would save you piece of mind and big bucks from a clogged fuel system. The oem can’t engineer a vehicle for every individual’s driving habits, and gas will degrade over time.
My 2 cents, for what it’s worth.
Feb 7th, 2010 (12:44 pm)Kdawg,
You are in the Detroit area correct?
Buff Whelan Chevrolet in Warren is taking orders (pre-orders?) for the Volt. They want $500 to put your name on the list. I am going to pay them a visit Monday morning to see what the rules are. I’ll probably do it, even though I’ve already paid money to an Ohio dealership (I don’t think they will be able to get product as soon as a Mich. dealer). Supposedly my Ohio deposit is refundable.
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Feb 7th, 2010 (12:53 pm)From the source article….
“A senior insider told Autocar that Jaguar Land Rover envisages some of the world’s most important cities gradually introducing zero-emissions and zero-pollution zones. All vehicles unable to run purely on batteries would be banned from the area.”
“According to the insiders, only a self-charging electric car could have sufficient zero-emissions range to be practical transport in such scenarios. Although some conventional hybrids do have the ability to run purely on battery power, their electric-only range is limited to few miles.”
A 600 mile range luxury “City Car” ? What?
The biggest issue I see in this concept…..
There doesn’t seem to be an understanding here of what it takes to protect and extend the life of lithium-ion cells.
I guess if you’re an early adopter and can afford a JAG, having your battery pack rebuilt every few years might not be an issue.
In contrast, GM and Team Volt have taken the safe road to treat this new electric drive / battery technology with the utmost care. From what I see, they’re doing everything “right the first time” to “make it last”. A Thermal Management System and only a very mild (and brief) recharge from regenerative braking.
Go Team Volt !
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Feb 7th, 2010 (1:05 pm)What stood out for me in the article is that: “The range extender will be the 1.2 liter 3-cylinder gas system designed by Lotus specifically for use in range-extended vehicles.”
Makes me think of Boeing’s new 787 Dreamliner that is built from composite materials, etc. We get down the road a few generations when most every automaker is committed to electrifying a car, we’ll see things like this happen as well to the auto industry.
Then we’ll see greater range, more efficiency, less cost. The Volt is just the tip of the ice berg and it is exciting to watch this shift occur. I keep telling my 12-year old son, “What we’re seeing here Dominic is the equivalent of man moving out of the stone age!”
“Yeah, whatever dad.”
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Feb 7th, 2010 (1:14 pm)Jaguar is still one gorgeous car. Here engineering is right on the money. Jag takes full advantage of the VOLT ER EV concept. Lotus’ 3-cylinder ER ICE was announced a few months ago. I was wondering just who it was for. The result is 600+ mile range given impressive MPG figures. Also note the 3-cylinder genset will be capable of a full charge. Obviously being a series EV it’ll have external AC charge capability. Maybe this’ll set off some alarms at GM Leadership. A 2012 VOLT with an unnecessarily puny 300 range will be at best only marginally relevant. And by 2012, Jag certainly won’t be the only major with a 500+ mile range.
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Feb 7th, 2010 (1:17 pm)I never send anything out without using spell cheque.
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Feb 7th, 2010 (1:18 pm)Just so were straight, my first comment was not a knock on Lyle. I was just saying he is putting in long hours, and not to worry about posting a new article every day.
I am in no position to judge spelling or grammar. The main reason I went into engineering was that my spelling and grammar basically sucked!
Apologies, Lyle if you took my post as a knock.
Feb 7th, 2010 (1:23 pm)LOL!
Feb 7th, 2010 (1:25 pm)I’m about an hour or so outside of Detroit proper. Let me know what you find out. Thanks.
Feb 7th, 2010 (1:30 pm)Very encouraging to see another high end company jumping in on EVs. And an ER-EV at that. The effect of the high end cars is to seed the market with anticipation for the more mainstream models to follow. Just as the Tesla has proven an effective, safe, very kewl EV is in high demand – so too will this Jag.
David: Love what you tell your son. Out of the stone age indeed! And like visiting the Venus at the Louvre – a boy’s reactions is: “Yeah, so where are her arms?”
Electrification = energy independence. Go Volt.
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Feb 7th, 2010 (1:30 pm)They should have called it the Jaguar E-type.
Feb 7th, 2010 (1:31 pm)I know we had a lot of discussions about this yesterday, but just a few thoughts on the subject.
According to a news article:
“Prius drivers in Japan and the U.S. have complained of a short delay before the brakes kick in — a flaw Toyota says can be fixed with a software programming change. The lag occurs as the car is switching between brakes for the gas engine and the electric motor — a process that is key to the hybrid’s increased mileage.
So, using software to control “mission critical” systems seems very dangerous. I guess this is the first time I really thought about this related to vehicle safety. Now, the armed forces uses a lot of fly-by-wire systems for air craft and space craft, but they spend millions in development and testing, and add redundancy to nearly everything (Nasaman could speak to this).
So, how long before we run into hackers that can modify control algorithms and we have people killed? I am sure (well, maybe not as sure as I used to be), that the automakers provide protection against unathorized changes to firmware, especially safety related, but you can never protect against all possibilites.
Makes me think again about purchasing a new vehicle that uses software logic to control anything I consider “mission critical”. Hmmmmm…is it still to early to take a wait-and-see attitude?
Feb 7th, 2010 (1:32 pm)I feel the same way.
The only thing that bothers me is this: We have yet to see any other major car maker announce an EREV production date. Mercedes and Jaguar have built prototypes, but no production dates. Chrysler also built prototypes, but then killed plans for production. Without a production date, the Volt doesn’t have any real competition, and that’s a bad thing.
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Feb 7th, 2010 (1:33 pm)The storage of fuel in the Volt’s fuel tank even for long periods of time should not be an issue, The fuel tank on the Volt is equipped with an electronically controlled venting system, and is commanded to be completely sealed at controlled pressures (actually a slight vacuum) when electric only operation is use. This sealed state will decrease the degradation rate of the fuel.Once the RE-ICE starts up the venting state is adjusted to permit ease in pulling fuel from the tank.Additionally the Volt’s fuel delivery calibration is E85 ready, which permits it to detect and make adjustments for changes in fuel volatility. (something that occurs while fuel degrades over time is a loss of volatility)
Still there will be items found in the Volt’s owners manual to be adhered to prevent fuel degradation. First GM recommends only “Top Tier” fuels be used, dispensed from pumps displaying the “Top-Tier” symbol. This better assures the quality of fuel meets a minimum standard of performance. Bad fuel goes bad much more quickly.Most importantly is to maintain the fuel level in the Volts fuel tank to 3/4 or higher whenever storing or during long periods of days or weeks of EV only operations. This will reduce the formation of condensation due to temperature swings. Another is NOT to add any fuel additives or conditioners to the fuel. A “Top-Tier” fuel contains all the anti-deposit additives you will require.Many of these aftermarket fuel treatments can actually accelerate the degradation and may also be detrimental to the life of fuel delivery components such as the in-tank fuel pump or injectors, especially if their recommended concentrations are exceeded.
Some here and on various Volt forums have suggested a fuel stability additive such as Stabil or PRI-G be used. While personally I am not against such treatments and have used them successfully in seasonal equipment such as boats, lawnmowers and snowmobiles- I would not use them on the Volt unless General Motors specifically recommended them. (and they may) This would be the best advice to maintain the terms of your warranty.
JMO
WOT
Feb 7th, 2010 (1:41 pm)Those are all questions of consumer preference in the face of early supply (higher costs at first, until mainstream), not technical necessity.
Feb 7th, 2010 (1:41 pm)This lotus engine makes me wonder how easy would it be for gm or an aftermarket to swap the 1.4 for a better ice and leave all else the same?
Feb 7th, 2010 (1:47 pm)150hp max electric torque from 0 rpm at 3,500 pounds – that thing would haul a@@ off the line. Be still my beating heart.
More AER is nice for the brain, but superior PERFORMANCE wins hearts.
+1 to Dave G for more electric drive.
… off to beat some more full gassers with my all electric dirt bike.
Feb 7th, 2010 (1:53 pm)Now if Jaguar could only see it makes sense to make reliable vehicles….the styling is great. Reliability is ugly at best. Yes recharge on the go is obvious for a long, long time now.
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Feb 7th, 2010 (1:53 pm)Iran’s president orders higher enrichment of uranium
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/02/07/iran.nuclear/index.html?hpt=T2
World’s Top Oil Exporters
Country ………………….. millions of barrels per day
Saudi Arabia …………….. 8.65
Russia …………………… 6.57
Norway ………………….. 2.54
Iran ……………………… 2.52
United Arab Emirates ….. 2.52
Venezuela ………………. 2.2
Feb 7th, 2010 (1:58 pm)#19
Yeah, and we’re grizzling about $40K? Chump change, LOL.
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Feb 7th, 2010 (2:01 pm)Kind of odd that you make this statement, yet you are the second person to post. Hmmmm…
Hawk
Feb 7th, 2010 (2:13 pm)Two points:
1) When you say “better ICE”, what exactly do you mean? A larger ICE running at slower RPM is often more efficient. For example, the Prius uses a 1.8L engine and gets 50 MPG.
2) An aftermarket engine swap would be hard – probably need an army of software engineers to make it work.
Feb 7th, 2010 (2:21 pm)#38
If memory serves, London already has a “congestion fee” for bringing conventional cars into the city, especially at peak traffic times. And it’s considerable, something like $20/day. I think that ZEVs are exempt. So maybe this is a smart way to work around that.
Can any of our British friends cast any light on same? Have I got it anywhere near right?
Feb 7th, 2010 (2:23 pm)I have to agree with some other posters that a switch to allow on the fly charging of the battery would be nice when traveling on mountain roads so as to have more battery help during severe up hill portions of said trip.the more energy stored during the down hill part would help during the up hill part.
Feb 7th, 2010 (2:30 pm)But he’s like a drop of mercury on plate glass – extremely difficult to pin down. Intel suggests that a blanket of drones over Las Vegas in early July may be effective… (g)
Be well,
Tagamet
Let’s Just Get The ***VOLTS’ * * * Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS
Feb 7th, 2010 (2:38 pm)I meant more efficient, by better. Perhaps one of the very good opal direct injected-turbo-diesels. It would still be an “off the shelf” engine for gm. They could offer it as an option for more$ how much would you be willing to pay for 65-70mpg in cs mode.
If gm won’t do it and there is money to be made an aftermarket company will and offer a warantee. Some people have the money to out green the next guy.
As for the army of software guys needed, the ice can have it’s own independant ecu set to operate at 3 modes, off, warm up, and charge. The only thing needed to intrigate with the voltec software would be when the ice needs to be in which mode. One of the larger aftermarket brands could do this if there was money in it.
Hennesy could offer both ends of the premimum spectrum 1200 hp vipers and 70 mpg volts with 100 miles aer.
Feb 7th, 2010 (2:39 pm)My “kids” are in their 20′s and 30′s, so when I say the same thing they have matured to the “Yeah, Dad”(eye-roll) level.
Maybe I should switch to the “iceberg” – I’ve been using “the point of the spear”..
Be well,
Tagamet
Let’s Just Get The ***VOLTS’ * * * Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS
Feb 7th, 2010 (2:57 pm)That’s great news for my wife and me! The wife wants to replace her current Jag with a new one and I want our next car to be a Volt. Looks like we both win!
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Feb 7th, 2010 (3:39 pm)#70 Kent has obviously not “graduated” to fixed income.
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Feb 7th, 2010 (3:51 pm)Lyle, we know you spend many hours at you regular job just like all doctors do. Knowing this, I don’t think anyone should question your grammar. Thanks for taking the time to update your site on a daily basis.
Feb 7th, 2010 (3:54 pm)Is Mazda still working on its EREV equipped with a rotary generator?
Feb 7th, 2010 (4:04 pm)Jaguar executives say “only a self-charging electric car could have sufficient zero-emissions range to be practical transport in such scenarios.”
Exactly. Even if batteries have a 200 mile range, the lack of charging infrastructure and the inability for car batteries to charge quickly, means that long distances are out of the question.
Also, there are a few new (and very clever) ICE technologies out on the wings – the Libralato engine, the RadMax Engine, and perhaps a gas turbine (if they can make it more compact) that will greatly increase the weight to power ratio of the ICE. And, being rotary in nature, they’re a more perfect fit for the EREV concept, making EREVs even more compelling.
Now, if Eestor can live up to its promise of high energy density and quick charging, all this might change. But, I’m not holding my breath.
Feb 7th, 2010 (4:06 pm)For those who are interested in the ICE technologies I mentioned above, here’s a link to Libralato Engines:
http://www.libralato.co.uk/
and RadMax Engines:
http://www.regtech.com/Radmax_Technology/
Feb 7th, 2010 (4:07 pm)LOL, you’ve got that right! At least we get discounts at the movies…
Be well,
Tagamet
Let’s Just Get The ***VOLTS’ * * * Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS
Feb 7th, 2010 (4:12 pm)Thanks for the links.
Very exciting times!
Be well,
Tagamet
Let’s Just Get The ***VOLTS’ * * * Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS
Feb 7th, 2010 (4:13 pm)Re #74: I meant power to weight ratio. Duh.
Feb 7th, 2010 (4:23 pm)#77 Tagamet
You’re welcome for the links! Here’s one last one – it animates various engine cycles. It sure makes me appreciate how clever these engine designers were…
http://www.animatedengines.com/
(PS. I’ve had a bit of trouble submitting this comment – hopefully it won’t appear multiple times…)
Feb 7th, 2010 (4:27 pm)I do not understand how a 1.2 liter 3-cylinder can generate enough electricity to power a 145 kw electric motor for a longer period of time in tough conditions (for instance high speed driving on a highway). For a shorter period you can use a buffer but not for a longer period. It looks to me that the Volt has a better balance between the ICE and the electric motor.
Feb 7th, 2010 (4:30 pm)Mazda’s Rotary EREV
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/mazdas-rotary-erev/
“Autocar reports that Mazda has fallen under the EREV spell; they’re hard at work on their own system using a rotary engine as a battery generator. According to “senior sources,” testing is “sufficiently advanced that Mazda has a working prototype in a Mazda 5 MPV bodyshell.” Unlike GM though, … There are currently no plans to bring an EREV to market.“
So like Mercedes, Jaguar, and Chrysler, Mazda has a prototype, but no real plans for production.
Feb 7th, 2010 (4:38 pm)It only showed up once here, so I think it’s ok.
Thanks again,
Be well,
Tagamet
Let’s Just Get The ***VOLTS’ * * * Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS
Feb 7th, 2010 (4:46 pm)This is the secret of a series hybrid.
When you look at the rated power of a regular gas engine car, that’s the peak horsepower, which is rarely used. You only need peak horsepower for hard acceleration or high speed uphill driving, which only lasts a little while.
So the idea is that the gas engine generator only has to provide average power. For example, cruising at 70 MPH on level ground only requires around 25kW. The gas engine turns on when the battery gets down to 30% charge level, so there’s still plenty of juice left in the battery to supply temporary bursts of peak power.
Some people worry about driving up mountains, but this is also a non-issue. More on that here:
http://gm-volt.com/2009/10/07/chevy-volt-climbs-pikes-peak/
Feb 7th, 2010 (4:50 pm)How about the Coates Spherical Rotary Valve Engine:
http://www.coatesengine.com/
Feb 7th, 2010 (4:50 pm)Of the three sites you posted, this last one was the most interesting (to me). It provides great visuals and thumbnail descriptions of an array of engines. Super Bowl is coming up or I’d still be there (lol).
I’ll need to revisit that site regularly.
Thanks.
Be well,
Tagamet
Let’s Just Get The ***VOLTS’ * * * Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS
Feb 7th, 2010 (4:55 pm)Maybe they are waiting to see how the Volt succeeds? That would put them pretty far behind the curve, given that Gen II and Gen III Volts are already in progress.
Be well,
Tagamet
Let’s Just Get The ***VOLTS’ * * * Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS
Feb 7th, 2010 (5:17 pm)Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Oh to be flattered by Jaguar, Wow.
Feb 7th, 2010 (5:25 pm)I wonder if they have anyone as dedicated as Lyle to start a fan site? VERY unlikely. Hmmm, maybe Lyle can start a franchise!
Be well,
Tagamet
Let’s Just Get The ***VOLTS’ * * * Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS
Feb 7th, 2010 (5:31 pm)I originally chuckled at this. I know the feeling.
But I believe there is something serious to mention here. People have had it drilled into their heads that electric cars aren’t real. “Too small”, “limited range”, “too expensive”, etc. Even GM’s new CEO seemed surprised when he drove the Volt.
Its gotten to the point where many people have just taken the whole concept of electric drive and sort of tuned it out. No matter what you say, they’ll ignore it. In addition, when you talk about something that isn’t available yet, that you can’t go out and buy right now, many people just naturally tune that out as well.
Once the Volt gets some production, is available in most showrooms, someone at work drives one, etc., that will make it a real possibility in people’s minds. At that point, attitudes towards EREVs will change dramatically, and the market will explode…
Feb 7th, 2010 (5:35 pm)Me!
I have owned a few Jags myself. Always second hand though. Plus I am dependent on spell check….
Just kidding, I have nowhere near the time and resources. Just happy to see the E-volution of the automobile. In ten years time I might be able to pick up a nice southern rust free example.
Cheers
Feb 7th, 2010 (5:37 pm)I think that many (most?) of us here have shared that experience. I believe in every fiber of my being that this is going to play out well!
Be well,
Tagamet
Let’s Just Get The ***VOLTS’ * * * Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS
Feb 7th, 2010 (5:52 pm)By then you could get that used Volt your wife talked about! (lol)
Be well,
Tagamet
Let’s Just Get The ***VOLTS’ * * * Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS
Feb 7th, 2010 (5:55 pm)I think you really hit on it, Tag. As perfected as Lyle has made this site, Jag ought to offer him about mid six figures for a franchise, that way, many of us can go over there and visit to offer consumer advice should Jag want to become an open developer like GM.
One thing first, you really ought to have driven a Jag first. I’ve driven many. They sort of “take you over with this regal feeling” somehow, and, it’s really impossible to explain unless you drive one. However, the cost of the servicing is highly substantial in terms of most budgets though.
Feb 7th, 2010 (6:23 pm)What?
Feb 7th, 2010 (7:00 pm)I wonder if I could get the red one that they use for the magazine tests? I just had to bring up red. HeHe.
+2
Feb 7th, 2010 (7:02 pm)Engine Selection:
Mostly a rehash, but people constantly seem to have a problem with this…
Miles per Gallon is not a great way to measure things. Overall, there are a few measurements we can choose to look at
Miles per Dollar
Miles per Energy In
Miles per C02 Emission
Miles per Partical Emission
Lets talk a bit about what makes a Diesel Engine “Appear” significantly more efficient than a normal Otto Gasoline Engine.
#1. Typical Gasohol (E10) has 120,900 (~35.4 kWh) BTUs per US Gallon. Diesel B5 has around 138,000 (~40.4 kWh) BTUs per US Gallon.
In real world application, the large torque advantage of a Diesel Engine means that a Diesel is Engine is never torque limited (except in rare circumstances). This allows a Diesel Engine to spend longer times periods in a the peak zone for power efficieny. A Gasoline Engine in comparison is often Torque Limited during a normal driving cycle and often burns more fuel than needed to reach required Torque levels.
In a comparison between an Otto Cycle and a Diesel Cycle. A Diesel Cycle has a ~ 5% higher maximum energy efficieny at typical compression ratios and temperatures used in automobile engines. (Its important to note that at the same compression and temperature, Otto Cycle is actually -more- efficient)
Overall, I would expect a perfectly tuned Diesel Engine to be 5% or less more energy efficient than a perfectly tuned Otto Engine.
#2. Volts Numbers with Diesel Engine
If we assume A, the Volt’s 1.4L engine is equivalently tuned to a modern replacement Diesel Engine and B. 230 MPG AND 25 kWh/100 miles are reasonable estimates
A Volt with Diesel Engine sized to return ~75 hp (more like 100 hp peak) would likely return 275 MPG AND 25 kWh/100 miles.
Over the course of an entire year. The difference in fuel consumption for the 15,000 miles a year driver would be
65 gallons of Gasohol versus 55 gallons B5 Diesel
Overall, this would reduce costs per year by 20 dollars (Diesel Cheaper)
Overall, (ignoring CO2 produced by the 5% Biodiesel and 10% Ethonal) this would increase Carbon Dioxide emissions by ~15 lbs per year
Overall, (Assuming the Gasoline Engine is Tier 2 Bin 2 and the Diesel is Tier 2 Bin 5) Emissions of NOx will increase by 150 grams, Emissions of PM will not change
Now comes the interesting part. A typical upcharge for a Diesel Engine with emissions (Tier 2 Bin 5) is in the range of 2,000 dollars MSRP. I gather from this, the OEM cost for the Diesel is a minimum of 1,000 dollars then.
I would prefer the Gasoline 1.4 Engine at 40,000 than the Diesel Engine at 41,000-42,000 from an Economic, Global Warming, and Enivorment Point of View. From reducing the importation of Oil, the Diesel would be only slightly better. If thats is your goal, the E85 would be the ideal on the market solution, which is supported by the Volt’s current Engine.
If I had 1,000 dollars to invest in the fuel system of the Volt. I would increase AER from 40 to 45 miles. I think this would save more fuel than going to a Diesel Engine. It would also be a win in every category except possibly Economic.
The Lotus Range Extender’s goal is to very cheaply create the “right” sized engine for the job. Lotus no doubt plans to sell it to multiple end users. Lotus actually has talked about “Doubling” up the engine for CUV/Truck type uses. The Volt may use this Lotus Engine in the Future, although I think for GM the 1.4L engine derived from the 1.4L and 1.4L Turbo currently planned for Europe and US roll-out is a more sensical reuse of technology.
An EREV should focus on using the -Cheapest- possible ER mechanism and invest cost savings from the ER to increase the EV portion, until a dollar spent on the ER saves more fuel than a dollar spent on the EV section. Based on some guesses about current Lithium Ion Battery prices and various Engine prices, this does not occur in the 20 AER to 100 AER range typically associated with PHEV/EREV concepts.
Feb 7th, 2010 (7:04 pm)An hour ago I received a long email typed in small print. Mentions the “Volt schedule” and offers several hyperlinks for “more information”. No photos in the email. No GM logo. No dealer name.
If you receive it be careful. Mentions chevyvoltforum and offers “handy links”.
This is a partial of the senders email address: warnerro@box
I found a uTube link that shows an import car street racing. Posted by warnerro@box.
May have something to do with yesterday’s Toyota post.
=D~
Feb 7th, 2010 (7:13 pm)Careful, Lyle might start charging a membership fee here! (lol).
On the fairly substantial list of things I could choose to worry about, taking a Jag for a test drive is pretty far down the list (g). But thanks for the advice anyway.
Be well,
Tagamet
Let’s Just Get The ***VOLTS’ * * * Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS
Feb 7th, 2010 (7:16 pm)Who?? (lol)
Be well,
Tagamet
Let’s Just Get The ***VOLTS’ * * * Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS
Feb 7th, 2010 (7:18 pm)Speaking of buying a used Volt, I wonder if my GM card would ever send me a letter saying I could use my GM card rebate dollars for a new Volt. My wife WOULD like that!
Cheers
Feb 7th, 2010 (7:28 pm)Thanks for clearing that up.
Be well,
Tagamet
Let’s Just Get The ***VOLTS’ * * * Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS
Feb 7th, 2010 (7:34 pm)Someone mentioned saving GM card rebate dollars toward a Volt almost 2 years ago. Haven’t heard much about that in over a year though. We’re they effected by the bankruptcy?
Be well,
Tagamet
Let’s Just Get The ***VOLTS’ * * * Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS
Feb 7th, 2010 (7:40 pm)I would much rather have an off-the-shelf fully field tested engine than some exotic turbo that I would never use in the first place.
Feb 7th, 2010 (7:45 pm)Is this guy legit? Any information?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ5WbYllvx8
=D~
Feb 7th, 2010 (7:58 pm)I wouldn’t go to any link I get in an email. JMO.
Be well,
Tagamet
Let’s Just Get The ***VOLTS’ * * * Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS
-12
Feb 7th, 2010 (8:03 pm)(click to show comment)
Feb 7th, 2010 (8:07 pm)Thanks Tag. Just checking to see if anyone knows this guy. First contact received at the kickoff of the Super Bowl. Just didn’t look right.
=D~
Feb 7th, 2010 (8:17 pm)Good to trust your gut! I’ll check out the sender.
Be well,
Tagamet
Let’s Just Get The ***VOLTS’ * * * Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS
+2
Feb 7th, 2010 (8:18 pm)hi Moshen #106 … You are entitled to your opinion.
GM has set the automotive standard in transparency regarding the Volt. No vehicle that I know of is more anticipated. The Volt makes cars like the Prius seem like interesting experiments in early battery assist development.
If you want a car that can drive and hour then require recharge. Buy a Nissan Leaf. If you want a car that burns a little gasoline all of the time. Buy a Toyota Prius. If you want a car that can cruise around town all week using no gas. Then fill up with gasoline or E85 and continue another 300 miles non-stop. Then you may want to consider Volt ownership. Take your pick.
=D~
Feb 7th, 2010 (8:18 pm)I totally agree Jaguars are not your run of the mill type of car and they have been known to be very expensive for fancy, luxury interior, fancy body frames and that infamous vroom vroom!!!!! when you pick up speed that’s mainly known for sports cars as well my brother’s guitar teacher has a Jaguar just saying.
+1
Feb 7th, 2010 (8:26 pm)Mohsen, you are officially a troll
Feb 7th, 2010 (8:41 pm)Since when has anything Jaguar done make sense?? The cars they build have been notoriously a piece of crap, in spite of the price tag. They have no business commenting on this segment of the market at all. I say “Jag, get your act together, then try your own deal…then maybe, you will be entitled to an opinion!!”
Feb 7th, 2010 (9:01 pm)I couldn’t find anything legit on the net, nor is it listed at the security sites I checked. That just means that it’s not a well known scam. It could be totally fine, or it could take over your computer without you knowing (g). I know. Big help.
Be well,
Tagamet
Let’s Just Ge Get The ***VOLTS ‘ * * * Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS
Feb 7th, 2010 (9:22 pm)Thought this guy may have been sending information to the long standing contributors of gm volt dot com. First I’ve seen from him.
I returned his email and asked for identification. No reply.
_______________________________
BTW: Looks like GM chose to pass on Super Bowl ads. I think this is a good move. Better to focus ad money on a national demo drive tour. Or a Project Driveway program.
=D~
Feb 7th, 2010 (9:32 pm)Don’t be surprised if you get a lot of spam. If it was a bot, it now knows that you are a live email address.
I definitely agree about GM not doing anything showy. It would have just been blown up as “wasting” money.
Be well,
Tagamet
Let’s Just Ge Get The ***VOLTS ‘ * * * Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS
Feb 7th, 2010 (9:49 pm)Spoke too soon. GM had a commercial right after the Super Bowl ended. Very low key though.
Be well,
Tagamet
Let’s Just Ge Get The ***VOLTS ‘ * * * Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS
Feb 7th, 2010 (9:57 pm)Compact gas turbines have been available for ages. One just barely bigger than a shoebox would easily power a Volt. It would cost $250,000 however. Williams International has been making these for about 25 years — for cruise missles. They had a goal of making a model for small private airplanes by 2000 for under $100,000, but did not make it (timeline or price).
Feb 7th, 2010 (10:14 pm)I just saw a post superbowl ad on Accura about how they use active noise cancellation to nullify engine noise. Seems like a good Volt commercial could start from a clip from that and then say “and here is OUR engine noise…”
+2
Feb 7th, 2010 (10:14 pm)With Jaguar jumping into the pool. This is turning out to be a high end electric car shootout for 2011/2012. Tesla and Fisker also produce beautiful electric cars.
Thinking back four years to how the GEM car and Segway Human Transporter made EV news. Followed by the unrelenting gouging by BIG OIL. And the punishing recession that put former heads of household out in the street. The shift toward the electrification of garages across America and beyond marches on.
=D~
Fisker Karma ~ L.A. Auto Show 09′
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Feb 7th, 2010 (10:20 pm)Dave K: “GM has set the automotive standard in transparency regarding the Volt”
Not so. GM is not disclosing how they connect the gasoline engine to the wheels, if at all. They are hiding this central fact and continue to obfuscate if or not the Volt is serial.
Just because GM has been relatively open to the interest expressed on EVs, does not mean they are absolved from obfuscating their architecture. What are they afraid about?
Dave K: “If you want a car that can drive and hour then require recharge. Buy a Nissan Leaf. If you want a car that burns a little gasoline all of the time. Buy a Toyota Prius. If you want a car that can cruise around town all week using no gas. Then fill up with gasoline or E85 and continue another 300 miles non-stop. Then you may want to consider Volt ownership. Take your pick.”
Why would I want to limit myself to these bad options? I want an EV that does not have a transmission, differential, CV joints, etc. I want an EV that can recharge its own batteries upon driver demand. Only the driver knows if he will be driving 200 miles or will be returning home after 40 miles. A Serial EV gives you that extra control.
A Serial EV will outperform the Volt or any of the options you list.
+3
Feb 7th, 2010 (10:32 pm)hi Mohsen #120 …
Your view is appreciated. I would love to see an EV with an outer coating of super high efficiency solar paint. And with turbine battery maintenance generators on board. It’s possible to eventually get to the level of development. But we must first Get The Wheels Of The Volt On The Road.
=D~
BTW: Wish we didn’t need to put a license plate on the front of the Volt. Real clean without it. I contacted the State of California and asked if EV could be exempt. Less plates to produce. And less energy used. No word back so far. At least I tried.
Feb 7th, 2010 (10:34 pm)Once and a while they send a letter saying you can use so many dollars on such and such automobile during a certain time frame. Otherwise the max is $500 or less.
Once upon a time when the max was $5000 you could buy a new car every year and make money. It had been a while since we received a letter, the last one we received was the day after we bought the Prius.
That one had a max of $4000 on some cars, one of which we would have definitely considered. Wife was quite peeved about the on again off again nature off the offer. I suggested patience, but that is not among her many virtues.
Cheers
Feb 7th, 2010 (10:48 pm)I’m pretty much of the opinion that any woman who can stay married to any male for an appreciable length of time (like longer than the honeymoon), already qualifies as “patient”.
My wife and I went to the same high school and college (and dated throughout) – and STILL got married. 38 years now and counting. She’s way past patient (lol).
Be well,
Tagamet
Let’s Just Ge Get The ***VOLTS ‘ * * * Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS
Feb 7th, 2010 (10:57 pm)HeHe, we are quite happy, but she knows I am the patient one.
Cheers
Feb 7th, 2010 (11:30 pm)And she’s got you convinced of that, right? (g) Awww, that’s sweet.
Be well,
Tagamet
Let’s Just Ge Get The ***VOLTS ‘ * * * Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS
+1
Feb 8th, 2010 (12:00 am)Dave K thanks for the pic. I really like the volt… But the karma is the car I drool over when I dream of wining the lottery.
Feb 8th, 2010 (12:11 am)If that happens, I will be able to let her test drive it. I may then have a chance for her to OK buying a Gen1 Volt. Right now she doesn’t want us to buy a first generation of any car. That means putting money into our 2003 Camry. After four accidents and Toyota dealership collision shop’s last poor quality repair, I’d gladly go back to GM for my next car.
Be Well and Prosper.
Happy trails to you ’til we meet again.
Feb 8th, 2010 (12:19 am)I’ve got your solution to the additional 100 miles problem Your new Volt needs to fitted out with an optional IV drip to give it that extra mileage. The two gallon tank would be mounted on the IV stand with a tub going to the Volts gas cap. It will need special bearing to go up to 100 mph. Give me your email ady and I’ll send you a picture with the plans to build it yourself.
Just kidding Bill. That’s one h*ll of a predicament.
Happy trails to you ’til we meet again.
Feb 8th, 2010 (12:26 am)Boy, if you can’t talk her out of a Toyota at *this* particular time, you’re pretty much sunk (lol).
Tell her a Gen I Volt will be an adventure!
Be well (and prosper, too),
Tagamet
Let’s Just Ge Get The ***VOLTS ‘ * * * Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS
Feb 8th, 2010 (12:50 am)It looks like they are using the auto shows to announce when and where the Volt will be rolling out. With the current state of affairs with Toyota and all, they only need to advertise the currently available models.
I wonder where the next auto show will be? Anyone?
Happy trails to you ’til we meet again.
Feb 8th, 2010 (12:59 am)Well, I decided to go back to work so maybe just maybe she will relent. lol.
Be Well
+2
Feb 8th, 2010 (2:43 am)Has anyone heard any rumors about why GM decreased the extended range to 300 miles?
I was at the GM’s cartoonishly large, and very cool, Milford Proving Grounds about a month ago and everywhere I looked it was volt volt volt (well, and quite a few camero’s).
I’m working with my university to develop a similar vehicle based on a 2009 Saturn Vue; we are going for a 40 mile EV range using a 20 kw*hr battery pack from A123, a rear mounted 145 kW brushless DC motor, and GM’s FWD 2-Mode transmission coupled to a 2.4 L EcoTech LE9 running E85. Let me tell you, it’s been quite a few sleepless nights… we have a little more info here: http://ecocar.uvic.ca/page.php?37
Interestingly, we’re also only going for 300 miles range, but that’s only because it’s a requirement for our project, however even that has been difficult given the packaging constraints trying to hybridize our stock vehicle and our E85 fuel choice.
Feb 8th, 2010 (3:38 am)Bloody hell, wrong end of the day, and I just accidentally deleted a brillant post. IMHO.
To summerise, grrrr.
http://www.transalt.org/campaigns/congestion/international
Congestion charging will become more popular given the results of the above examples.
I am thrilled to see Jaguar go the EREV route, even if only at the concept stage.
Firstly, for any Volt owner that travels into London, there is the possibility to save significant funds.
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/congestioncharging/
The congestion charge
By midnight on the day of travel (£8 daily charge)
By midnight the following charging day (£10 charge)
A monthly charge ie 20 consecutive charging days for £136.
An annual charge ie 252 consecutive charging days for £1696.
Here is where the advantage goes to saving the AER mode until in the congestion zone as there are two ways of achieving a 100% discount.
1. Alternative fuel vehicles
To qualify for this discount your vehicle must be powered by an alternative fuel, bi fuel or dual fuel, and not solely by petrol or diesel. It must also meet strict emissions criteria.This means that the vehicle must have oxides of nitrogen and hydrocarbon emissions at least 40% cleaner than the Euro IV standard. AND, the poison pill IMHO. NOTE – The standards are determined by the Energy Savings Trust, and could become stricter in the future as the technology for low emission vehicles improves.
In other words if you go this route, the goal posts are liable to move on you.
2. Electrically propelled vehicles
To qualify for this discount your vehicle must be registered with the Driver Licensing and Vehicle Agency (DVLA) and have a fuel type of ‘electric’.
Secondly, The Volt can be easily made to operate in this mode. it is just a software switch as to where the AER mode starts. I would be staggered if GM does not make the Ampera able to operate in this mode, as a user selectable mode.
Lyle, for example, would use his AER for the four mile run to the freeway on ramp, then the ICE. Twenty miles out of NY he would, or GPS would, switch back to AER mode, upon leaving work, he would run AER until CS mode activates. And recharge at home.
Fourthly, again with a software mod, the Volt can emulate the Jaguar, eg at highway speeds an extra five % loading on the ICE could provide some power to help recharge the Volts battery. Like GM I don’t really see the benefit in this mode, but heck for Version Two why not let the consumer decide if they want this ‘feature’. A couple of hundred for a software ‘upgrade’ has to be profitable, does it not?
/Just my ramblings from down under.
Finally, 10 years at £1696 is £16,960.00 which (where is Statik when I need him?) at today’s exchange rate (1.5589) is $26,438.94. Hell, if you work in London, you would have to be nuts not to buy a Volt.
I think I should start pushing Auckland to introduce congestion charging, will that get me higher up, I mean, on the ‘list” Phil?
Feb 8th, 2010 (6:47 am)Mohsen, some of your concerns are addressed in this very interesting video.
Jay Leno takes the Volt for a test drive and puts quite a few questions to Volt chief engineer Andrew Farah.
http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/at-the-garage/hybrids/green-garage-2011-chevy-volt/
Feb 8th, 2010 (10:23 am)Well, I did put down $500. They think that they will get 6 Volts. I am number 2 in line. They may get a car or two as early as Sept., but seem confident that they will have cars by Nov. 1. For a few minutes I was afraid that it was going to be a bunch of money over MSRP, but no. Will probably NOT have a choice of color or options. That does not bother me. Sounded pretty sure the price was going to be $40-45K. I did not bring up the “low 30′s” discussion. He claimed that he saw 2 drive by as we were talking (they are only a few miles up the road from the GM Tech Center). Also said that it would be unlikely to get a chance to drive one before the final car came in. I should have asked if they would like to use mine on display for a while (I could handle that, possibly even test drives, but not so sure of that).
Feb 8th, 2010 (11:29 am)Wow JohnK, you are pretty courageous! I think I will be chicken and let others be the pioneers (and get the arrows in the back). Maybe spring of 2012.
I live pretty near there (Buff W.), and saw a Volt on 18 Mile right before Xmas, west of there (Dequindre).
Let us know how it goes with Buff Whelan, I can’t say that auto dealers are exactly on my list of trustworthy people… Hopefully dealing with lots of GM employees keeps them honest.
Feb 8th, 2010 (11:31 am)#99
“I don’t know’s on third.” Sorry, couldn’t resist. +1
Feb 8th, 2010 (11:33 am)#100
Is there any doubt about that? I’m sure planning on it. I figure that I’ll just about have it maxed out by the time I can realistically get my hands on a Volt.
+1
Feb 8th, 2010 (11:40 am)I think Jaguar said making a mistake, with its selection of a 1.2 liter 3 cylinder generator engine. GM engineers had all the engines from the Family 0 including an available 3 cylinder 1.0 liter, and an existing 1.2 liter 4 cylinder, and chose the 1.4 liter 4 cylinder. Why?
Because Mr. Weber said that they determined that the 3 cylinder is fundamentally unbalanced and is rough, and noisy. Similarly they determined that the 1.2 liter would need to be revved high to generate sufficient power to charge the battery. When in operation Both these smaller displacement engines would prove underpowered; and too rough and too noisy, for the task. Nor would the 1.2 liter save any weight, as it is just a displacement difference not a different engine block . Both the smaller engines would need turbocharging adding weight too.
Feb 8th, 2010 (11:52 am)The prius (current models) uses a special planetary gear system that can power the driveshaft by either the electric motor or the petrol engine. Mechanically it’s actually very very very clever.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_(mechanics)#Electric_variable
or
http://eahart.com/prius/psd/
Feb 8th, 2010 (12:47 pm)#94
What’s on second…
Feb 8th, 2010 (9:44 pm)“Self-charging” is a really stupid term. You want to charge off the grid where the power is generated much more efficiently and cheaply. Yes, the gas engine kicks in when you run out of electricity, but it is not “self-charging”.
Feb 8th, 2010 (10:54 pm)Not if your gas engine is undersized. Then you will need fresh batteries at all times, lest you get on the highway where a lot of power is needed and your gas engine cannot sustain fast enough. So you self-charge while in the city, so you can extend your range on the highway.
This will be the dominant mode of transportation (self-charging), despite what the kool-aid drinkers might think.
Self-charging is the only way to get cheap and reliable EREVs.
Feb 9th, 2010 (11:35 am)Yes true for the Volt, perhaps not true for this Jaguar. Did you realize the article wasn’t about the Volt? I get the impression Jaguar wants to only run their car on electricity only in the city. Different strokes for different folks. Also not clear if you really meant “stupid term” or “stupid idea” here.
If you have the money for buying a Jag you’re probably not worried about fuel efficiency anyway.
I also have to disagree with people saying that 3-cylinder engines are rough or shaky, they can computer-design counterbalance shafts these days which smooth things out quite nicely.
Feb 10th, 2010 (12:25 pm)This is true, but it leaves out a subtle point. What makes automotive or stationary turbines large is the heat exchanger – something that doesn’t exist on an turbine engine that’s used in airplanes. The heat exchanger transfers some of the waste heat from the waste gas stream post turbine to the air stream post compressor. This boosts the overall efficiency of the engine at the expense of the size of the engine. Good heat exchangers typically are large, and are not easy to shrink. If you look at the Capstone turbine, you’ll notice that most of the volume of the engine is taken up by the heat exchanger.