Dec 24

WiFi in Car is Awesome, Volt Won’t Have it

 

[ad#post_ad]Our society has become inextricably connected to the Internet, and is becoming more so every day.

Up until recently, time spent riding in a passenger car has been for the most part a non-Internet experience.  Though Internet-enabled cell phones do allow connectivity, larger devices such as laptops, unless they had their own cellular modems, couldn’t connect there.   Now, however, both GM and Ford have announced new technology to turn their respective vehicles into rolling WiFi hotspots.

Earlier this month GM announced the availability of “Chevrolet Wi-Fi” by Autonet Mobile which will be an option on the following seven Chevy models: Equinox, Traverse, Silverado, Tahoe, Suburban, Avalanche, and Express.

The system is dealer-installed and connects to the wireless 3G network transmitting a WiFi signal both within and beyond the car. It is intended for use by passengers only, and the 1.5 mbps signal can be obtained for up to 150 feet around the car. The device costs $199 and the service is $29 per month.

Ford more recently announced its own system in which its vehicles’ on-board SYNC USB connector will be configured to accept a user’s wireless modem. The signal will be then be amplified and transmitted by in-vehicle hardware turning the car into a wireless hotspot.  The user’s wireless modem and service would be purchased separately.

So if this technology is so great, wouldn’t it be great if the Volt offered it?

“No, the Volt will not have this capability,” says Volt spokesperson David Darovtiz.

Oh well.

Frankly, considering most wireless plans offer a free-standing hot spot creator that can be used anywhere (see graphic), one could therotecilly turn any car including the Volt into a hotspot, and of course it would work outside the car as well.

Is this vehicle technology useful or a gimmick?  You be the judge.

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    Dec 24th, 2009 (7:19 am)

    We haven’t seen nothin’ yet. As technology progresses, things will only get better. I don’t see any reason why the Volt won’t have this except perhaps GM is trying to keep the cost down. However, why it is not an option, is beyond me. The Volt should be their flag ship of technology.

    Merry Christmas everyone.


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (7:23 am)

    Volt 1.0 does not need this feature. If it becomes popular, I am sure later models will have it. Like Lyle pointed out, since it is a wireless hotspot, an aftermarket add on will do the same thing and can be moved from car to car.

    The Volt will be cool enough with the features we already know about.

    Merry Christmas to all Volt lovers (and the Volt trolls too).


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (7:29 am)

    Producing a simple, affordable, and dependable Volt should remain the primary focus at NGMCO. Get the wheels of the Volt on the road. And the Volt into the garages of the public. Give the car buying public the option to operate gasoline free.

    =D~


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (7:33 am)

    I agree with Nuclearboy and Dave, this is a gimmic, albeit a useful one when you don’t have a traffic function on your GPS. Keep the Volt I simple and as inexpensive as possible while keeping the option to bring in these functions down the road as the price of the Volt begins to drop. Still wondering what GM is up to with the hints on a possible lower price that Lyle mentioned the other day. That would be huge, get the after tax credit price below $30,000 and people will be a lot more accepting of the the Volt. Besides the early adopters who will love it regardless of price.
    I do see Rashid’s point, but I think that the OH MY GOD, IT COSTS $40,000! protest is a problem for EREV’s.


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (7:38 am)

    Sometimes less is more.


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (7:43 am)

    ziv:
    I do see Rashid’s point, but I think that the OH MY GOD, IT COSTS $40,000! protest is a problem for EREV’s.  

    Ya, I’m stuck on that too. That’s why I thought that making it in option couldn’t hurt. For those that want it, they can buy it.
    For me, it is fairly worthless.


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (8:01 am)

    Dave K.: Producing a simple, affordable, and dependable Volt should remain the primary focus

    ziv: Keep the Volt I simple and as inexpensive as possible while keeping the option to bring in these functions down the road as the price of the Volt begins to drop.

    I agree also.

    In fact, the base Volt model may already be too gimmicky. If the dual LCD panels and touch sensitive mid-console add $1000 to the cost of the car, I would rather save the money.


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (8:03 am)

    Could the GM Board’s offer ($100 million) to accelerate the Volt’s introduction make it impossible for their suppliers to ready a Wi-Fi option for the Volt’s initial production run?


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (8:16 am)

    nasaman: Could the GM Board’s offer ($100 million) to accelerate the Volt’s introduction make it impossible for their suppliers to ready a Wi-Fi option for the Volt’s initial production run?  

    Well, doesn’t it already have some WiFi connectivity?
    How are we going to remotely schedule a warm up or cool down while it is plugged in? Or perhaps this will work via OnStar?


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (8:18 am)

    nasaman: ($100 million) to accelerate the Volt’s introduction make it impossible for their suppliers to ready a Wi-Fi option for the Volt’s initial production run?

    I think the schedule may have something to do with it. It takes a bit of work to integrate a system into the overall controls and system of the vehicle. If it is not well integrated then it is not much better than an aftermarket solution that plugs into a cigarette lighter. If it is well integrated, then it impacts menus and options from other devices.


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (8:23 am)

    nuclearboy:
    If it is not well integrated then it is not much better than an aftermarket solution that plugs into a cigarette lighter.devices.  

    Agreed. My wife’s 2008 Elantra has a built-in Bluetooth® that was clearly an afterthought. It is not remotely integrated into anything other than the flip down door near the ceiling.


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (8:33 am)

    I think that the Volt is only slightly less complex than the space shuttle NOW (just kidding nasaman, but you get the point). I think that we just need to have frozen engineering by this point and concentrate on fine tuning in order to get those wheels on the road ASAP! JMO.
    Merry Christmas!,
    Tagamet

    Let’s Just Get The Volts’ Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (8:38 am)

    I have onboard WiFi in my truck. It is wonderful. You can, for example, see the weather map of the interstate up ahead, and knowing that the thunderstorm is passing over allows you to stay at the rest stop for another 15 minutes. You can look at real time traffic. You can check maps. Lots of immediate things.

    Although customers can provide their own service easily with a MyFi card for an amount less than what gm would charge, it is nonetheless a significant loss. Vehicle WiFi could easily allow one to communicate with the vehicle itself at least to get information (what is your state of charge?), and it would be a cool feature to show your friends.

    It is a sad fact that gm vehicles seem to undergo a process of blandification as they approach the market. I see this as another step in that direction for the Volt. Will it have a radio? AM only, I suppose. (smile)

    Anyway, Merry Christmas everyone.


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (8:46 am)

    RB: it would be a cool feature to show your friends

    Many of us will be wearing WiFi sunglasses by November of 2010. Powered by EEStor?

    =D~


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (8:56 am)

    I think the Volt doesn’t need WiFi. On the other hand, HD Radio is something that is a must for the high tech Volt. What is HD Radio you ask? Like what the Microsoft Zune HD has. http://www.zune.net/en-us/products/zunehd/default.htm
    More FM stations and clean sound.

    NPNS!


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (8:59 am)

    Is there a trim level of the Volt with manual roll down windows and no power anything?.. I still want the AC but it can be manually adjusted.


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (9:06 am)

    Thank you Mr. Darovitz.

    To future Volt buyers: C’mon guys, enough options already.

    WiFi is texting. Even worse than texting in an auto because you have very alluring pictures. Texters who also drive in a moving auto are equivelent to a severe drunkard at twice the legal limit of alchohol, and, there is always going to be some type “A” personality who is conceited enough to think they can “multitask” with a WiFi in a moving auto with WiFi set up in the front passenger seat if the capability is there. Only police officers ought have that capability to do their jobs, period.

    Nothing is more scary, dangerous, and irritating than drivers who are texting, because you do not know if they are going to do something impulsive like pulling directly into your lane because of thier near-total unawareness that your vehicle is there.

    These imbeciles think that they can “sneak some text out” while driving if they just slow down a little and not any of the rest of us will ever figure out why they only have the left hand on the steering wheel and their eyes are looking down toward their right hand.

    Thanks again, Mr. Darovitz, for barring WiFi. (While you are at it, can you figure out a way to block texting on a moving cell phone as well?)

    If a text document is sent out from any moving wireless device, the service towers ought to shut down that cell phone for twenty minutes excepting for the phone to be able to call 911. And, the owner of that phone ought to have an automatic $75 fine tacked onto their phone bill.

    Enough electronic communications already. I dislike the internet because it usurps too much of your intellectual working energies that ought only to go to your employer! And, its far, far, far to invasive in all ways.

    Lots of us have had it with extremely dangerous and unsafe drivers who text. If the WiFi capability is also there, some imbecile will use it while driving.

    Excuse the adverse commentary on Christmas Eve, but Mr. Darovitz is doing the right things.

    There are already enough technological bells, lights, and whistles on any car you want.

    Let’s just leave it to GM to get the Volt on the Road.

    (But in a more positive note:) (Not easy to “change gears” to a more positive, but:)

    Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays and Happy Honica (excuse my misspelling) to all you extremely fine and exceptional people at General Motors Corporation. God Bless you all.

    Dan.


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (9:15 am)

    Dan Petit: Thank you Mr. Darovitz.C’mon guys,enough options already.WiFi is texting. Even worse than texting in an auto because you have very alluring pictures. Texters who also drive in a moving auto are equivelent to a severe drunkard at twice the legal limit of alchohol, and, there is always going to be some type “A” personality who is conceited enough to think they can “multitask” with a WiFi in a moving auto with WiFi set up in the front passenger seat if the capability is there. Only police officers ought have that capability to do their jobs period. Nothing is more scary, dangerous, and irritating than who are texting, because you do not know if they are going to do something impulsive like pulling directly into your lane because of thier near-total unawareness that your vehicle is there.These imbeciles think that they can “sneak some text out” while driving if they just slow down a little and not any of the rest of us will every figure out why they only have the left hand on the steering wheel and their eyes are looking down toward their right hand.Thanks again, Mr. Darovitz, for barring WiFi. While you are at it, can you figure out a way to block texting on a moving cell phone as well? If a text document is sent out from any moving , the service towers ought to shut down that cell phone for twenty minutes excepting for the phone to be able to call 911.And, the owner of that phone ought to have an automatic $75 fine tacked onto their phone bill.Lots of us have had it with unsafe drivers who text.If the WiFi capability is also there, some imbecile will use it while driving.Excuse the adverse comment on Christmas Eve, but Mr. Darovitz is doing the right things.There are already enough technological bells, lights, and whistles on any car you want.Let’s just leave it to GM to get the Volt on the Road.(But in a more positive note:)(Not easy to “change gears” to a more positive, but:)Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays and Happy Honica (excuse my misspelling) to all you extremely fine and exceptional people at General .God Bless you all.Dan.  

    DRIVE the car when you are DRIVING. DON’T USE THE CELL PHONE! DON”T TEXT! DON”T SURF THE INTERNET! Driving is a complicated dangerous act that needs your full attention! There are enough distractions as it is, We don’t need additional ones added.


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (9:15 am)

    Dan Pettit,

    Speech-to-text would work fine along the text-to-speech.

    Problem solved.

    I tried texting while driving once. I managed 3 characters, and never did it again. It is way too scary.


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (9:16 am)

    I can do without another bill for 3G WiFi. It’s not free. My laptop and phone are already connected too much for my taste.

    GM will probably try to go the proprietary route and use OnStar for some of these features. Remote control via cell phone is going to need some kind of wireless interface, for example.

    Unless WiFi is integrated with the other systems, it’s value is small for people that already have connected devices.


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (9:31 am)

    Ford’s got the right idea on this. Wifi connectivity through gen ii Sync is upgradeable and leaves the billing scenario to be worked out between you and the broadband provider (after you pay Ford up front for the sync option, of course).

    If you run your business out of your vehicle, this is another step that helps turn that vehicle into a mobile office.

    We haven’t even begun to imagine how many ways it can be utilized.
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    “Innovations like this, Ford says, reveal how the new Sync could lay a foundation for new in-car technology.
    In fact, in just 100 days, six students at the University of Michigan-Dearborn developed a few applications. One, called Follow-Me, allows a car to track another in front of it.”

    http://www.freep.com/article/20091223/BUSINESS0102/912230321/1318/Next-generation-Ford-Sync-makes-car-a-mobile-Wi-Fi-hotspot
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    It’s a cool option. It will be very popular. (imo)

    /ref. gen ii sync: Mulally is giving the keynote address at the Consumer Electronics Show this year


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (9:42 am)

    Santa rides in a Volt! Silently flying through the sky, it must have something much more advanced than WiFi.
    Just think, next year some lucky folks will have a Volt under the tree!
    Oh, by the way, Santa’s Volt is red.

    Merry Christmas


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (9:53 am)

    I’m concerned about distracted driving and worry even when I see someone talking on the cell phone and driving. The stats say people are 4X more likely to have an accident while doing this (even “hands free”!).
    I know people like to multi-task, but I don’t think that that should be going o when driving is one of the tasks. JMO.
    Merry Christmas,
    Tagamet

    Let’s Just Get The Volts’ Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (9:53 am)

    I will probably have more than enough temptations of distractions with the existing user interface even if it is only paying attention to performance or economy.
    But it does portend interesting and exciting things ahead.
    Best wishes and blessings to everyone.
    Here’s looking to a wonderful new year.
    John


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (9:54 am)

    Red HHR: Santa rides in a Volt! Silently flying through the sky, it must have something much more advanced than WiFi.
    Just think, next year some lucky folks will have a Volt under the tree!
    Oh, by the way, Santa’s Volt is red.Merry Christmas  

    An extremely nice Christmas thought!
    Merry Christmas,
    Tagamet

    Let’s Just Get The Volts’ Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (9:57 am)

    BTW, I heard about one study that claims even talking to a passenger is nearly as distracting as talking on a cell phone. I find myself asking my wife to remain quiet more and more. Now if there were an “active noise cancellation” option, especially one that could turn off individual passengers,…
    Well, I can dream can’t I?


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (10:03 am)

    JohnK: BTW, I heard about one study that claims even talking to a passenger is nearly as distracting as talking on a cell phone.I find myself asking my wife to remain quiet more and more.Now if there were an “active noise cancellation” option, especially one that could turn off individual passengers,…
    Well, I can dream can’t I?  

    LOL, maybe they could use that extra 27 hp option to power a mute button. Of course that adds a whole layer of potential conflict as to who uses “the button”.
    Merry Christmas,
    Tagamet

    Let’s Just Get The Volts’ Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (10:07 am)

    JohnK: BTW, I heard about one study that claims even talking to a passenger is nearly as distracting as talking on a cell phone. I find myself asking my wife to remain quiet more and more. Now if there were an “active noise cancellation” option, especially one that could turn off individual passengers,…
    Well, I can dream can’t I?  

    Voice control and text to speech will probably soon dominate the driver to car interface.

    . . . so then you can just ask the wife to please “wait her turn” .. . “Can’t you see I’m talking to the car?”
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    Text-to-speech system, voice controls drive new generation of in-car tech
    http://detnews.com/article/20091217/AUTO01/912170335/Ford-to-upgrade-Sync-system


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (10:13 am)

    #27 Wow, sport mode, economy mode, serene mode.
    And I thought that 27 HP would be excessive, but when you figure out how much effort it takes to keep a couple of women in the back seat quiet…. Gee, I wonder if you could recover some of that energy, kind of like regenerative braking?


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (10:14 am)

    Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays everyone! Just think, WiFi hotspot or not, by this time next year the Volt will have been released and some here may even have one in their driveway or garage.

    Yippeeeeee!!!


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (10:16 am)

    Rashiid Amul: My wife’s 2008 Elantra has a built-in Bluetooth® that was clearly an afterthought. It is not remotely integrated into anything other than the flip down door near the ceiling.

    The 2010 Equinox BlueTooth is totally integrated and Voice controlled. Both steering wheel and dash controls too and of course it mutes the radio and puts your speech (numbers) up on the dash panel.

    I would expect no less for integrated WiFi which may be why it is too late to shoe horn it into the Volt (which is coming to showrooms in less than a year and should start final production runs late this summer).


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (10:17 am)

    #28 Gosh, the Volt just gets better and better!


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (10:21 am)

    I think Apple is launching their new iTablet this June. I’m sure it will have 50,000 applications built in and one of them will be communication with your VOLT.

    Just gimme a docking cradle for the dashboard.
    ‘Nuff said.

    So I leave you with this:

    ‘Twas the night before Christmas
    And all through GM
    Was the hope they’d sell cars
    Like they did way back when.

    Nah. Nevermind.
    Merry Christmas everybody!


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (10:36 am)

    JohnK: #27 Wow, sport mode, economy mode, serene mode.
    And I thought that 27 HP would be excessive, but when you figure out how much effort it takes to keep a couple of women in the back seat quiet….Gee, I wonder if you could recover some of that energy, kind of like regenerative braking?  

    I know that if I hit the “mute button” on my Dear One, there would be a lot of excess HEAT that could be recovered (g). Once we got home, it’d be evened out by the chill in the air.
    Merry Christmas,
    Tagamet

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    Dec 24th, 2009 (10:41 am)

    DonC: Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays everyone! Just think, WiFi hotspot or not, by this time next year the Volt will have been released and some here may even have one in their driveway or garage.
    Yippeeeeee!!!  

    “Yippeeeeee!!!” is an understatement, but I can’t think of a word that better expresses it! Good times ahead.
    Merry Christmas,
    Tagamet

    Let’s Just Get The Volts’ Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (10:43 am)

    RB: I have onboard WiFi in my truck. It is wonderful. You can, for example, see the weather map of the interstate up ahead, and knowing that the thunderstorm is passing over allows you to stay at the rest stop for another 15 minutes. You can look at real time traffic. You can check maps. Lots of immediate things.

    I don’t think that is considered Wi-Fi There are lots of cars that can do what you describe without using WiFi technology. Wi-Fi is wireless Internet access that can be shared by cordless devices such as laptops up to a few hundred feet away. Sort of like how at airports, Wi-Fi provides Internet access to laptops.


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (10:55 am)

    I agree withTag, make it an option on gen. II or III. I also agree with Dan P. that drivers need to focus on driveing and not be destracted. If GM decides to intergrate this technology, I think the vehicle should have to be in park mode to access the internet. Hands free voice activated systems are an improvement but too much interaction of any kind is not good for safe driveing.
    Eventually vehicles will interact with each other to react to situations much faster than we can but until thats perfected I don’t trust drivers to let their passengers do all the surfing for them.
    Pardon my spelling, I am still learning accessable software for blind persons. Learning spell checker is next on my list. Happy Holidays to everyone!


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (10:57 am)

    For decades, car companies have spent billions of dollars developing systems to make cars safer. We all pay those costs in the cars we drive. Some who read this can tell stories of how those systems saved their own lives.

    But now, texting while driving has reached epidemic levels, just in the last year or two. Studies show that it is far more dangerous than drunk driving. Any rational person needs no “study” to understand why.

    Until we can devise methods to disable texting and other electronic driver distractions, I am opposed to adding anything else that would decrease the drivers road awareness.

    The first priority of any car company and indeed any car feature is getting the passengers to their destination safely. It should be the #1 litmus test of any feature added to a car.


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (11:01 am)

    I’m with all who pooh-pooh this idea. Wi-Fi is a distracting sideshow. Focus, focus, focus on making a car that owners will fall in love with. That means getting everything done right – the secure sound of a door latching shut, the quality feel of a window switch, the total elimination of any potential unpleasant surprises…


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (11:06 am)

    Blind Guy: I agree withTag, make it an option on gen. II or III.I also agree with Dan P. that drivers need to focus on driveing and not be destracted.If GM decides to intergrate this technology, I think the vehicle should have to be in park mode to access the internet. Hands free voice activated systems are an improvement but too much interaction of any kind is not good for safe driveing.Eventually vehicles will interact with each other to react to situations much faster than we can but until thats perfected I don’t trust drivers to let their passengers do all the surfing for them.Pardon my spelling, I am still learning accessable software for blind persons.Learning spell checker is next on my list.Happy Holidays to everyone!  

    Well said! I especially like the “disabled unless in Park” idea.
    Be well and
    Merry Christmas,
    Tagamet

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    Dave K.: Producing a simple, affordable, and dependable Volt should remain the primary focus at NGMCO. Get the wheels of the Volt on the road. And the Volt into the garages of the public. Give the car buying public the option to operate gasoline free.

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    Dec 24th, 2009 (11:13 am)

    It would be useful- like having a cellphone in the car. Problem is who has a car based cell phone anymore? At least a couple of cell phone networks have wifi units half the size of a deck of cards that you can take with you anywhere.


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (11:16 am)

    KISS

    “What ain’t there don’t give you no trouble.

    “Simplicate and add lightness.”

    LJGTVWOTR!!


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (11:25 am)

    Noel Park: KISS“What ain’t there don’t give you no trouble.“Simplicate and add lightness.”LJGTVWOTR!!  

    Looks like you covered all the high points!
    Merry Christmas,
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    Dec 24th, 2009 (11:25 am)

    Tagamet: An extremely nice Christmas thought!

    Thank You Tagamet.

    If any Volts are in the area next spring or summer, the burgers and juice are on me. I might even be able to get you a tour of the Wind Farm. I think I am halfway between Lyle and Statik…

    Cheers, and a Very Merry Christmas to All.


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    Red HHR:
    Thank You Tagamet.If any Volts are in the area next spring or summer, the burgers and juice are on me. I might even be able to get you a tour of the Wind Farm. I think I am halfway between Lyle and Statik…Cheers, and a Very Merry Christmas to All.  

    Thanks for the kind invite. It brings to mind another question: How/When/Where will GM be handling the Volt promotional activities???
    Merry Christmas,
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    Dec 24th, 2009 (11:34 am)

    Todays science fiction is tomorrows science reality. Someday we may have automobiles that know where they are in relationship to all other vehicles around them, and have automatic controls to prevent accidents and get us all safely to our destination. As for voice activation: ” ….27, please take me to (address) while I get caught up on my texting, etc. etc.. …. thank you 27″

    Oh 27 and everyone else, Merry Christmas and a Happier New Year.

    Happy trails to you ’til we meet again.


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (11:36 am)

    Dan Petit: Lots of us have had it with extremely dangerous and unsafe drivers who text. If the WiFi capability is also there, some imbecile will use it while driving.

    ICAM. Wifi in the car sounds like a recipe for disaster to me. There are enough distractions while driving. We don’t need to encourage it.


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    RB: You can, for example, see the weather map of the interstate up ahead, and knowing that the thunderstorm is passing over allows you to stay at the rest stop for another 15 minutes. You can look at real time traffic. You can check maps. Lots of immediate things.

    The weather map does sound useful. And they should include that as an option on Onstar if they don’t already have it. Ditto fo Sync. But specialized applications like that are different from allowing people to surf the web at will while driving. Traffic and maps are already available on my GPS.

    Merry Christmas everyone.


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (11:42 am)

    If your car could talk, how would it sound?

    http://www.oddcast.com/home/demos/tts/tts_example.php

    (My preference is Serena (UK))
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    Text to speech and speech to text technologies should effectively alleviate the “texting while driving” safety issue.

    /if you’ve got a good gps navigation system that talks you through all the turns, isn’t that safer than driving erratically while looking for road signs or down at a map?


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (11:47 am)

    Most people’s phones are connected 3G to the Internet anyways so having a in car wifi hotspot can be redundant.


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    I’ve had wifi in my cars for over 5 years. Look into something like the Cradlepoint unit. Works great in the car and good for hotel rooms when traveling. I use it at conventions where they want $800 a day for internet at the booth. Here is a new battery anouncement. This would be great in the Volt!!
    http://nexus404.com/Blog/2009/12/24/new-panasonic-lithium-ion-battery-to-power-up-a-house-new-li-ion-battery-coming-from-panasonic-in-2011/


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (11:50 am)

    LRGVProVolt: Todays science fiction is tomorrows science reality. Someday we may have automobiles that know where they are in relationship to all other vehicles around them, and have automatic controls to prevent accidents and get us all safely to our destination. As for voice activation: ” ….27, please take me to (address) while I get caught up on my texting, etc. etc.. …. thank you 27″

    Or maybe we’ll just be teleported, as in:

    “Beam me up Bob Lutz, this planet sucks.”

    By the Grace Of God, when that day comes, there will still be place somewhere for me to slide around the corners in my non-power drum brake, non power steering, manual transmission ’58 Corvette. When the skill and tactile responses of driving finally go completely away, might as well just take the bus or be teleported.


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (11:56 am)

    carcus1: Text to speech and speech to text technologies should effectively alleviate the “texting while driving” safety issue.

    /texting while driving is, no doubt, dangerous

    Sorry, but distraction is distraction. Speech to text is still a distraction. JMO.
    Merry Christmas,
    Tagamet

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    Dec 24th, 2009 (11:58 am)

    Tagamet: Looks like you covered all the high points!
    Merry Christmas,
    Tagamet

    11:25 am

    Thank you sir! Same to you, and each and every one of you. May 2010 be a step forward over 2009. Maybe we will be seeing Volts running around the streets of LA sans gasoline a year from today, LOL.

    All the best.


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (11:59 am)

    A bit off topic, but something to look forward to.

    Looks like Jan 7 there will be some ‘landmark’ strategy on the volt battery.

    http://seekingalpha.com/article/179665-general-motors-to-unveil-more-on-volt-battery-strategy-during-landmark-january-7-announcement


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (12:04 pm)

    Noel Park: By the Grace Of God, when that day comes, there will still be place somewhere for me to slide around the corners in my non-power drum brake, non power steering, manual transmission ‘58 Corvette. When the skill and tactile responses of driving finally go completely away, might as well just take the bus or be teleported.

    I agree, but some enterprising individual will probably start a theme park for us nostalgic folks so that we can experience the good old days. Sad, really.
    Merry Christmas,
    Tagamet

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    Dec 24th, 2009 (12:04 pm)

    Tagamet: Sorry, but distraction is distraction.

    So, I take it you pull off the road when you want to change the heat/air settings, and leave the radio off while driving?


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (12:13 pm)

    garrytman: A bit off topic, but something to look forward to.Looks like Jan 7 there will be some ‘landmark’ strategy on the volt battery.http://seekingalpha.com/article/179665-general-motors-to-unveil-more-on-volt-battery-strategy-during-landmark-january-7-announcement  

    Thanks for the link. The article speculates that the announcement MAY be about the “battery factory or price”. I don’t know whether “price” would mean the battery or the car itself. ANY additional info is obviously what we thrive on here. I’m hoping that Lyle will keep us posted (DUH).
    Merry Christmas,
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    Dec 24th, 2009 (12:14 pm)

    Noel Park: When the skill and tactile responses of driving finally go completely away, might as well just take the bus or be teleported.

    Once cars can reliably and safely drive themselves, insurance companies will insist that the driver’s controls be removed. Perhaps the seats will face inwards, instead. Auto-drive will make us safe little subjects, snug in our Nanny State perambulators; our every destination choice noted (and perhaps overridden — you know, for our own good).

    There had better be WiFi then, so that we can have something to do (on the websites approved for us by centralized authority), while we wait for our cars to do their thing.

    Most of us here have a strong core belief in advancing technology as a positive force in society. It isn’t, always.

    Merry Christmas.


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    carcus1: So, I take it you pull off the road when you want to change the heat/air settings, and leave the radio off while driving?

    Speaking of the radio, I always thought it funny that “Click and Clack”, the talk show car guys, whom I very much enjoy and whose CD of car songs I have, spent so much time on their “Shut Up & Drive” movement aimed at stopping people from using their mobile phones when driving. I mean, listening to talk radio, which is what their radio program is, has been found to be just about as distracting and talking on the phone.

    Not recognizing irony seems an occupational hazard of talk radio! LOL

    Merry Christmas, and may Santa bring some nice presents for everyone to enjoy in and out of their cars.


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    carcus1:
    So, I take it you pull off the road when you want to change the heat/air settings, and leave the radio off while driving?  

    Nope, I set them before taking it out of Park (g).
    Merry Christmas,
    Tagamet

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    Dec 24th, 2009 (12:18 pm)

    OT, but timely…..

    A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY, PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR TO ALL!
    Christmas_Trees_Hawthorne.jpg&usg=AFQjCNEgzLbsL2Qr75STvd-zaQYrTgEJpQ

    (Now I’ve got to get back to wrapping presents for my huge family!) :)


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    LauraM:
    ICAM.Wifi in the car sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.There are enough distractions while driving.We don’t need to encourage it.  

    Like checking out all the babes in the cars next to me as I pass?

    I know, I know. I’m a pig. :(


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    Jackson:
    Once cars can reliably and safely drive themselves, insurance companies will insist that the driver’s wheel be removed.Auto-drive will make us safe little subjects in our Nanny State perambulators; our every destination choice noted (and perhaps overridden).There had better be WiFi then, so that we can have something to do (on the websites approved for us by centralized authority), while we wait for our cars to do their thing.Most of us here have a strong core belief in advancing technology as a positive force in society.It isn’t, always.Merry Christmas.  

    Since cars cannot yet drive themselves, I think in the interim, the govt should mandate helmet use in these inherently dangerous vehicles.
    Seriously, maybe things will get better in the upcoming year!
    Merry Christmas,
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    Dec 24th, 2009 (12:24 pm)

    Want a non-integrated onboard solution for connecting to the Internet? Get MyFi, or device-dedicated air card. You won’t be able to get a manufacturer-provided version for less than this will cost.

    Integrated onboard WiFi would challenge OnStar as the means of Volt Systems communication. GM isn’t going to enable a monthly fee going to a wireless provider when it stands to get those fees themselves.

    Happy New Year.


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    nasaman: OT, but timely…..A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY, PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR TO ALL!
      

    RIght back at you, nasaman!
    Merry Christmas and a Happy/healthy New Year!,
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    Tagamet: Nope, I set them before taking it out of Park (g).

    That’s good. I think it’s important that every individual recognize their own limitations and operate their vehicle accordingly.

    Have a safe Christmas.


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    New Hondas have a USB connector in a special compartment. Plug in your iPod (or just put mp3 files on a thumb drive and plug it in) and you can operate it through the radio. The little compartment keeps the extra wires and gizmos out of the way. Bonus: your player gets charged as you drive.

    I wasn’t expecting this when I was forced to trade my Saturn for a Fit this summer, but it has been the most wonderful improvement in limiting on-board distraction, verses trying to manage an mp3 player while at the wheel. I hope that GM will provide a USB connectivity of some kind for the Volt.


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    I do agree with you on the GPS because the driver just follows brief instruction threw voice which I think is less disstracting then what you described or having a two way interaction with some device. I recall my parents argueing in the front seat about directions to get some where which caused a tense unsafe driving experience.


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    carcus1:
    That’s good.I think it’s important that every individual recognize their own limitations and operate their vehicle accordingly.Have a safe Christmas.  

    I totally agree! The trick is for the reckless to avoid fatal learning opportunities, so that they can eventually learn their limits. Hopefully, of course, they don’t injure anyone else in the process.
    Merry Christmas and a Happy judicious New Year!,
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    Blind Guy: I recall my parents argueing in the front seat about directions to get some where which caused a tense unsafe driving experience.

    My father went by the nickname “Lefty” (for his handedness). He wouldn’t even answer to Joseph (his given name). Mom called him "Left" for short. I remember my mom giving him directions in the car:
    Mom: Left, Left.
    Dad: Left?
    Mom: right.
    Dad: RIGHT??
    Mom: NO! Left, Left!

    It was our family version of "Who's on base" by Abbott and Costello.
    Merry Christmas,
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    Dec 24th, 2009 (12:53 pm)

    Tagamet: I totally agree! The trick is ……

    Naaah. I’d say the ‘trick’ is to always get the last word in. Wouldn’t you?


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    carcus1:
    Naaah.I’d say the ‘trick’ is to always get the last word in.Wouldn’t you?  

    Naaah, personally that’s not important to me (g).
    Merry Christmas,
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    Sorry having some tech problems, my post at 70 was in response to 50 Carcus1. As long as your not setting your GPS while driving then it’s no more an issue than someone talking to you in the car or listening to talk radio.


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    garrytman: Looks like Jan 7 there will be some ‘landmark’ strategy on the volt battery.

    11:59 am

    Thanks for the cool link. Very interesting.


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (1:22 pm)

    Tagamet: I agree, but some enterprising individual will probably start a theme park for us nostalgic folks so that we can experience the good old days. Sad, really.

    12:04 pm

    Well we sort of have them in the form of Laguna Seca, Infineon Raceway (the racetrack formerly known as Sears Point), Road America, Watkins Glen, Road Atlanta, Lime Rock, et al. So, assuming that they survive into the future, maybe us hard core nuts will still have places to live out our fantasies of the past.


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    Noel Park:
    12:04 pmWell we sort of have them in the form of Laguna Seca, Infineon Raceway (the racetrack formerly known as Sears Point), Road America, Watkins Glen, Road Atlanta, Lime Rock, et al.So, assuming that they survive into the future, maybe us hard core nuts will still have places to live out our fantasies of the past.  

    Good point! Let’s hope that future generations will look back and want to get a ride in a “Vintage Volt”!
    Merry Christmas,
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    36 Gary:
    I don’t think that is considered Wi-Fi There are lots of cars that can do what you describe without using WiFi technology. Wi-Fi is wireless Internet access that can be shared by cordless devices such as laptops up to a few hundred feet away. Sort of like how at airports, Wi-Fi provides Internet access to laptops.  

    The kind of WiFi you describe is what I have. I never use it while I’m driving (too complicated and distracting) but use it all the time at stops.


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    42 Frank Benepensee: It would be useful- like having a cellphone in the car. Problem is who has a car based cell phone anymore?At least a couple of cell phone networks have wifi units half the size of a deck of cards that you can take with you anywhere.  

    Cellphone service is one part of Onstar.


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    I want Wifi in my car. Sorry, but I use the internet constantly and this just seems like something that should be standard in a car. I think my car should actually sync w/my home network when I pull in the driveway. The car’s computer should also be linked. I would like to pull up diagnostic codes w/out a special device or having to pay a technician $60. I would also like to download all the relevant trip/health data via Wifi. Throw in GPS and a 40G flash drive to make the package complete.


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (2:42 pm)

    Dan Petit: Thank you Mr. Darovitz.To future Volt buyers: C’mon guys,enough options already.WiFi is texting. Even worse than texting in an auto because you have very alluring pictures. Texters who also drive in a moving auto are equivelent to a severe drunkard at twice the legal limit of alchohol, and, there is always going to be some type “A” personality who is conceited enough to think they can “multitask” with a WiFi in a moving auto with WiFi set up in the front passenger seat if the capability is there. Only police officers ought have that capability to do their jobs, period. Nothing is more scary, dangerous, and irritating than drivers who are texting, because you do not know if they are going to do something impulsive like pulling directly into your lane because of thier near-total unawareness that your vehicle is there.These imbeciles think that they can “sneak some text out” while driving if they just slow down a little and not any of the rest of us will ever figure out why they only have the left hand on the steering wheel and their eyes are looking down toward their right hand.Thanks again, Mr. Darovitz, for barring WiFi. (While you are at it, can you figure out a way to block texting on a moving cell phone as well?) If a text document is sent out from any moving wireless device, the service towers ought to shut down that cell phone for twenty minutes excepting for the phone to be able to call 911.And, the owner of that phone ought to have an automatic $75 fine tacked onto their phone bill.Enough electronic communications already.I dislike the internet because it usurps too much of your intellectual working energies that ought only to go to your employer!And, its far, far, far to invasive in all ways.Lots of us have had it with extremely dangerous and unsafe drivers who text.If the WiFi capability is also there, some imbecile will use it while driving.Excuse the adverse commentary on Christmas Eve, but Mr. Darovitz is doing the right things.There are already enough technological bells, lights, and whistles on any car you want.Let’s just leave it to GM to get the Volt on the Road.(But in a more positive note:)(Not easy to “change gears” to a more positive, but:)Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays and Happy Honica (excuse my misspelling) to all you extremely fine and exceptional people at General Motors Corporation.God Bless you all.Dan.  

    Amendments to my above post.

    Just one hour ago, I was driving back on the freeway with a customer and her son from checking out a used vehicle for her son to buy. What happens?
    A lady in a vehicle in the left lane from me is drifting over into my lane and comes within five inches of my vehicle when going under a bridge about an hour ago. Guess what she was doing? She had her left hand on the steering wheel and in her right hand was her cell phone which she continued to stare at for at least another 8 seconds after pulling back into her lane, going 65 miles an hour.

    So, to amend what I said above,

    no text messages
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    should be sent/sendable or received/receivable either to a moving cell phone!!
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    The cell phone companies know how dangerous their service is.
    They should not be held harmless if any accident occurs.
    You cell phone companies are warned that you may be a party to some liablilty here, in my opinion. As well, any investigating officer ought to have the same powers to investigate moving text document (even one letter) transmission and reception/opening even without an accident, just as much as he does have the responsibility to investigate drunk drivers swerving all over the road, just as what just happened to me and my customer and her son. The cell phone company also ought to get fined $75 automatically as well. This practice is an epidemic even more insideous than drunk driving, because most of us are at home at two AM. And also, can carefully avoid drunk drivers for the most part when driving on the highways.
    Texters, and now, *text readers* are an insideous menace to the public safety, and each and every one of us ought to immediately demand the full force of the laws to be brought to bear immediately upon these practices.


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (2:47 pm)

    kdawg: I want Wifi in my car.Sorry, but I use the internet constantly and this just seems like something that should be standard in a car.I think my car should actually sync w/my home network when I pull in the driveway.The car’s computer should also be linked. I would like to pull up diagnostic codes w/out a special device or having to pay a technician $60.I would also like to download all the relevant trip/health data via Wifi.Throw in GPS and a 40G flash drive to make the package complete.  

    Maybe these features could be available as an accessory feature for Gen II. I’d settle for a USB slot and the ability to off-load vehicle data in Gen I. JMO.
    Merry Christmas,
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    Dec 24th, 2009 (3:16 pm)

    Wi-fi, WI-FI! How am I supposed to drive and surf the web at the same time? Do new cars have autopilots? Let the passengers play with all the stuff already on their phones. I also don’t need another monthly bill.

    Heck, there are already laws restricting just talking on a cell phone. Too many people already have too many distractions while they’re driving.


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (3:22 pm)

    I could care less, when I am driving my car I want to DRIVE it. I don’t care about twitter feeds, facebook updates, or CNN breaking news. Driving a car should be just that, driving, we already have enough built in distractions as it is.

    Lets not even talk about the costs, I for one don’t care to have to pay any extra on a car than I already am.

    Just let people drive.


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (3:24 pm)

    carcus1: —————-
    “Innovations like this, Ford says, reveal how the new Sync could lay a foundation for new in-car technology.
    In fact, in just 100 days, six students at the University of Michigan-Dearborn developed a few applications. One, called Follow-Me, allows a car to track another in front of it.”http://www.freep.com/article/20091223/BUSINESS0102/912230321/1318/Next-generation-Ford-Sync-makes-car-a-mobile-Wi-Fi-hotspot
    ———————–It’s a cool option.It will be very popular. (imo)/ref. gen ii sync:Mulally is giving the keynote address at the Consumer Electronics Show this year  

    Carcus,
    Not a lot of thought has gone into “tracking the car in front”.
    With people swerving in front of you for a miriad of potential reasons, would you want your car would do the same things? How about hydroplaning, how about texters in front of you drifting into the next lane like one just did to me an hour and a half ago? how about if someone has a medical issue? how about if the vehicle in front of you has lost a drive belt and can not steer around a curve? how about if a tire has had a blowout and the car looses directional control from that reason? how about if an object falls off of a truck and is heading for your kisser at about 65 miles per hour? how about the “driver” being lulled into a mental state that other critical duties need not be attended to? How about if the vehicle in front of you steers sufficiently to miss an object in the road and your vehicle has a more narrow track, and you are not mentally prepared to avoid it yourself because you didn’t expect it and left the judgement of your 65 miles per hour missile to someone else?
    Is automated tracking of the vehicle in front of you a good idea?
    How lazy can things be made for us to get. If we are that stupid to let automation do too much, then, as Darwin said, “The envirionment selects”.


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (3:25 pm)

    Another distraction while driving: trying to eat a burger or even drink coffee. Maybe cupholders should be banned. Only partly kidding.


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (3:31 pm)

    JohnK: Another distraction while driving: trying to eat a burger or even drink coffee.Maybe cupholders should be banned.Only partly kidding.  

    Maybe not cupholders, but if they put in a tray that swings up so you can eat a Big Mac, I’d say they went too far (g).
    Merry Christmas,
    Tagamet

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    Dec 24th, 2009 (3:43 pm)

    I ran across some interesting global warming items. The Copenhagen meeting has brought a lot of news to the forefront.

    For those interested in one of the leading theories.

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/50_years_of_cooling_predicted#65269

    And to get an idea of what the cosmic ray issue is. See this link.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKoUwttE0BA&feature=related

    I know many on this site follow these issues from many perspectives and I think the whole gamma ray issue is very interesting. If this theory is valid, it makes the worldwide concern of moving from 3 to 4 C02 molecules for every 10,000 air molecules seem less important.

    Sorry for the thread hijack. This is just really interesting. Especially the video series on Youtube (which is partially related).


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (3:50 pm)

    Jermaine Johnson: That’s 3 strikes. You’re out dumbass.  

    2:14 pm

    Bless my soul, it’s a Christmas troll. Elf?? -1, and I don’t give out that many.

    Oh well, we’re gonna lock up here and go home in about 10 minutes, so Merry Christmas to all, yes even Jermaine Johnson.


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (3:56 pm)

    Noel Park:
    2:14 pmBless my soul, it’s a Christmas troll.Elf??-1, and I don’t give out that many.Oh well, we’re gonna lock up here and go home in about 10 minutes, so Merry Christmas to all, yes even Jermaine Johnson.  

    MERRY CHRISTMAS!

    Tagamet

    Let’s Just Get The Volts’ Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (4:26 pm)

    Dan Petit: Carcus,
    Not a lot of thought has gone into “tracking the car in front”.
    With people swerving in front of you for a miriad of potential reasons, would you want your car would do the same things? How about hydroplaning, how about texters in front of you drifting into the next lane like one just did to me an hour and a half ago? how about if someone has a medical issue? how about if the vehicle in front of you has lost a drive belt and can not steer around a curve? how about if a tire has had a blowout and the car looses directional control from that reason? how about if an object falls off of a truck and is heading for your kisser at about 65 miles per hour? how about the “driver” being lulled into a mental state that other critical duties need not be attended to? How about if the vehicle in front of you steers sufficiently to miss an object in the road and your vehicle has a more narrow track, and you are not mentally prepared to avoid it yourself because you didn’t expect it and left the judgement of your 65 miles per hour missile to someone else?
    Is automated tracking of the vehicle in front of you a good idea?
    How lazy can things be made for us to get. If we are that stupid to let automation do too much, then, as Darwin said, “The envirionment selects”.  

    Let me rephrase the question for you Dan:

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    Dan Petit: “Gee Carcus1. I really don’t understand anything about this ‘Follow Me’ application and how it would be useful. I am also quite fearful of the technology. Do you have a link that could help explain the application?”
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    Carcus1: Sure Dan, hope this helps.

    Follow Me Ford Sync App prototype
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t8GESQcUew&feature=youtube_gdata


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (4:44 pm)

    Some would say,
    Just get those Volt Rims on the road !

    I prefer “wheels” but whatever.

    Make ‘em good, make ‘em inexpensive, and make millions of them


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (5:00 pm)

    If Ford is smart about this (sync with wifi). They could try to follow where apple has been going with the iphone. By allowing open sourcing of the applications, there will be LOTS of innovative apps developed independently that make their products (cars with sync/wifi) desirable. Gm could do the same, of course.

    An app that I’d like to see:

    “Track my business miles”
    All of my business trips have a different routing than my personal use trips. The app could learn this and automatically log the date/time/miles travelled when it sees me on this routing and use the cars wifi to send the info to a log that’s kept in “the cloud”. My accountant could also have access to the log “in the cloud” for quarterly summaries and end of year tax info. Hopefully, taking me out of that loop.

    /when the “track my miles” app sees you on a business trip, it could ask you to verify, allowing you to ‘speak to text’ a label that will be placed with the miles/date/time info on that trip


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (5:59 pm)

    Not that it really matters, but Chrysler already offers WIFI connectivity in some of their cars now.


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (6:10 pm)

    carcus1:
    Carcus1:Sure Dan, hope this helps.Follow Me Ford Sync App prototype

    My bad.

    I was recalling something else.

    But it really is getting ridiculous what gets optionally placed into
    vehicles nowadays (to boost “value”).

    Next it will be microwave ovens (lol).

    All this stuff is stuff that can go wrong and bring down retained value PDQ. Too much foofy stuff is a real turn off and cheapens the car. Internet service would cheapen the car. Enjoy the car experience, not the internet “experience”. Let’s just do one thing at a time.

    Let the buyer add it in themselves if they want to, but leave that sort of thing off of the sticker on my Volt.

    At $40,000, attempting to reach $44,000 isn’t doable for that last ten percent. All these optional “gimme’s”, add all the more of what will be included in the bottom line, will just begin to hamper the whole **Volt** experience. None of these things are free for GM to install.

    Just who is it that ***really*** is going to buy a Volt in the first place, who also wants all this other stuff to add those last several thousands of dollars, really **does in fact** want all that stuff? Not me, not even if it is for “free”.
    I want the very most basic Volt ever made (even if it has vinyl flooring, which would just wipe clean to eliminate allergens, and is more sanitary than carpeting).

    No problem here if anyone else wants to afford a $50,000 maxed-out Volt. There are plenty of aftermarket installers that might find someone that microwave they really may want for it. Just leave as many options off of the sticker as possible for the Volt to just run, for the rest of us who are working as hard as we can to be able to get one at $39,500 plus tax, plus $2,000 more for the extended warranty.

    What Ford is doing is attempting to appear as advanced as GM’s Voltec in all other ways possible, and, they are failing to do that.
    Whatever it takes to keep the final Volt price low, we have to work hard to do that. Sometimes, like here, it is a strong protesting of the inclusions of thngs unnecessary. I’m just really glad that GM sees things in this light, and has the firm wisdom to just say “no” to unnecessary stuff.


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (6:43 pm)

    Tagamet: Maybe not cupholders, but if they put in a tray that swings up so you can eat a Big Mac, I’d say they went too far (g).
    Merry Christmas,
    Tagamet

    Merry Xmas Tag, how about heated cupholders?


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (6:49 pm)

    Noel Park: Bless my soul, it’s a Christmas troll.

    -1 from me too: I didn’t find his comments Jermaine.

    Ba-dump-bump


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (7:32 pm)

    #85 & #86. I was tempted to say AUTOPILOT yes, I want that, then it dawned on me — the Volt is going to be FUN to drive! Maybe an autopilot can be a software upgrade 3 years after delivery (probably minimal hardware needed).


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (7:52 pm)

    96 solo: Not that it really matters, but Chrysler already offers WIFI connectivity in some of their cars now.  

    GM may be thinking that wifi would compete with Onstar services, not a factor for Chrysler..


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (8:16 pm)

    Tagamet:
    I agree, but some enterprising individual will probably start a theme park for us nostalgic folks so that we can experience the good old days. Sad, really.
    Merry Christmas,
    TagametLet’s Just Get The Volts’ Wheels On The Road!!**********NPNS   

    Tag,

    that will be followed by the Holo Room where you program your race around the track. Everyone will be able to have the same thrill that you experience today. :)

    Happy trails to you ’til we meet again.

    (Did) I wish everyone a Merry Christmas and a Happier New Year.!


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (8:33 pm)

    Rashiid Amul: Well, doesn’t it already have some WiFi connectivity?How are we going to remotely schedule a warm up or cool down while it is plugged in? Or perhaps this will work via OnStar?  (Quote)

    Bam!
    True Inspiration, I was wondering when someone would see a possible onst@r connection in the future.
    Think about it this way why pay all these monthly fees, $99 for a phone, $50 for internet at home. I would guess they could give you quite a lot in the future for the small onstar fee. Why cant your wife play music in her car and share it with your other GM vechicles?
    Car websites that allow music purchases, save personal profiles where you can save your music, movies and performance options for your cars… The skys the limit when it comes to dreaming.

    On another topic whats gm-apps.com?


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (9:10 pm)

    I’m sure many are saying:

    Just get the wheels on the road.

    No worries about WiFi just yet. Besides, 4G is coming next year (already started in Europe – limited). When 4G gets to the U.S. the Volt should get it, of course.

    Maybe the Volt will be able to connect to the iPhone, Android, MS Mobile, etc. and do some cool things. If not, someone will.

    Car 2.0 will be connected to the Internet just like we humans are now tied to it with our mobile phones (especially with 3G phones).


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (9:29 pm)

    Merry Christmas and a safe and healthy 2010 to you all!

    Christmas-tree-lights1.gif


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    Could care less if the Volt has WiFi or not :)


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    Dec 24th, 2009 (11:48 pm)

    No thanks with the WiFi like other people already said, I already get unlimited internet on my Blackberry, which can be tethered to my laptop for surfing. I already have all the traffic, weather, maps, whatever from my apps (faster than starting up a laptop to look it up). Actually, $199 for the device and $29/month is nearly identical to what I pay for my Blackberry+internet, and it does a lot more than just giving me internet in the car. Being able to do it directly from the car isn’t big enough of an advantage to pay for basically duplicate service.


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    Dec 25th, 2009 (12:26 am)

    Tagamet: Of course that adds a whole layer of potential conflict as to who uses “the button”.

    Jack Lemmon. The glopata-glopata machine!

    http://www.amazon.com/Murder-Your-Wife-Jack-Lemmon/dp/B00006FDAW/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1261718733&sr=8-3


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    Dec 25th, 2009 (12:35 am)

    carcus1: /if you’ve got a good gps navigation system that talks you through all the turns, isn’t that safer than driving erratically while looking for road signs or down at a map?

    OR. You could just look up the route before you leave. Real men don’t need no stinking GPS to find the woods.


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    Dec 25th, 2009 (2:53 am)

    Loboc:
    OR. You could just look up the route before you leave. Real men don’t need no stinking GPS to find the woods.  

    LOL, yeah!
    Merry Christmas,
    Tagamet

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    Dec 25th, 2009 (4:05 am)

    Well, I probably won’t buy one until it has WiFi. ;p


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    Dec 25th, 2009 (9:07 pm)

    Freaking pathetic…


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    Dec 26th, 2009 (6:28 am)

    imo, Wifi is for no use in automotive area. This technology has been designed for home, static use within a fix predefinite and low-range area.

    I see only a few reliable option in order to enable such connectivitiy in that manner: 3G, which hasn’t got enough bandwith for nowadays data load demand, and WiMAX and derivatives, which is… the future. Japan is much ahead in it, but requires a lot of infrastructure investments.


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    Dec 27th, 2009 (3:35 am)

    To everyone here who says WiFi in the car is useless, a distraction, etc., I have two words for you:

    Internet radio.


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    Dec 27th, 2009 (11:16 am)

    No need – just park next to a new Chevy that has it. Their wireless network is good for 150 feet from the car. Use their’s for free.


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    Dec 28th, 2009 (7:50 pm)

    BillR: Merry Christmas to everyone, and may your Christmas dreams come true!!

    8:03 pm

    What a awesome link! We have a Jack Russell terrier who, in his younger days, was the spitting image of that guy, except that only half of his face is brown.

    Although our dog would have wolfed down the cookes and milk in about 10 seconds, and probably have nipped Santa when he showed up, LOL. He got a hard plastic toy with a bell inside for Christmas, which he chewed up into black shreds all over the carpet in about 20 minutes. Except for the part he swallowed and threw up on the floor the next morning, LOL. That dog in the video was amazingly well trained, to say the least.

    Anyway, what a cool Christmas greeting. All the best to you, and have a happy and successful 2010.


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    Dec 30th, 2009 (8:25 am)

    Having WiFi a part of your car doesn’t make sense. If you’re willing to pay 30 a month, just get a verizon internet thumb drive thing for your laptop. That way you can take it every where. I never understood why anyone would want WiFi attached to their car rather than their computer.


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    Mar 22nd, 2010 (1:48 pm)

    Love this, great blog, thanks.