Comments on: Fisker Tries to Distance Company From Tesla and Volt http://gm-volt.com/2009/07/05/fisker-tries-to-distance-company-from-tesla-and-volt/ Real-time news, information, and discussion about the Chevrolet Volt. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:07:32 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Felix Chesterfield http://gm-volt.com/2009/07/05/fisker-tries-to-distance-company-from-tesla-and-volt/#comment-127913 Felix Chesterfield Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:12:23 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1743#comment-127913 Has anyone seen this site for <a href="http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/" rel="nofollow">GM car and truck parts</a> ? Has anyone seen this site for GM car and truck parts ?

]]> By: jeffhre http://gm-volt.com/2009/07/05/fisker-tries-to-distance-company-from-tesla-and-volt/#comment-125101 jeffhre Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:39:31 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1743#comment-125101 It actually seems to be quite an unexpected technical challenge. You would think as long as transmissions have been made for ICE's it would be a no brainer. But with instantaneous maximum torque, no flywheel, no wind up, no buffering or delay whatsoever, just bam, full power -- it turns out to be a serious challenge to make them last. The high power and instant torque of high performance electrics just tears 'em up. Avoiding the added cost, complexity and lowered efficiency they've been as you say, throwing out the transmission, for a single speed reduction gear. It actually seems to be quite an unexpected technical challenge. You would think as long as transmissions have been made for ICE’s it would be a no brainer.

But with instantaneous maximum torque, no flywheel, no wind up, no buffering or delay whatsoever, just bam, full power — it turns out to be a serious challenge to make them last. The high power and instant torque of high performance electrics just tears ‘em up.

Avoiding the added cost, complexity and lowered efficiency they’ve been as you say, throwing out the transmission, for a single speed reduction gear.

]]> By: jeffhre http://gm-volt.com/2009/07/05/fisker-tries-to-distance-company-from-tesla-and-volt/#comment-125095 jeffhre Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:24:36 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1743#comment-125095 Dang it, get with the program :) Dang it, get with the program :)

]]> By: jeffhre http://gm-volt.com/2009/07/05/fisker-tries-to-distance-company-from-tesla-and-volt/#comment-125092 jeffhre Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:16:17 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1743#comment-125092 OMG OMG

]]> By: Dr Mark http://gm-volt.com/2009/07/05/fisker-tries-to-distance-company-from-tesla-and-volt/#comment-124129 Dr Mark Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:34:25 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1743#comment-124129 Why do these cars both throw out the transmission. A 150ft-lb torque motor puts out 50% more power at any speed up to 80 if top speed is 80 instead of 120. I'd rather see a 0-60 time of 4 sec in the 0-80 gear shiftable to a 0-120 gear, or just single speed of 0-90. A 2-speed tranny is not a technical challenge! As for the Volt vs Karma, you can't really compare a 400 HP true sports car to a 150 HP sedan, but if economy is much better with the Volt that will further define two totally different markets, like the Accord Hybrid vs Prius. The Accord gave performance with no improved economy and bombed as a product. Dr. Mark Why do these cars both throw out the transmission. A 150ft-lb torque motor puts out 50% more power at any speed up to 80 if top speed is 80 instead of 120. I’d rather see a 0-60 time of 4 sec in the 0-80 gear shiftable to a 0-120 gear, or just single speed of 0-90. A 2-speed tranny is not a technical challenge!

As for the Volt vs Karma, you can’t really compare a 400 HP true sports car to a 150 HP sedan, but if economy is much better with the Volt that will further define two totally different markets, like the Accord Hybrid vs Prius. The Accord gave performance with no improved economy and bombed as a product.

Dr. Mark

]]> By: statik http://gm-volt.com/2009/07/05/fisker-tries-to-distance-company-from-tesla-and-volt/#comment-124125 statik Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:18:07 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1743#comment-124125 Yupe, your right Don, I totally 'projected' on you there. You didn't misrepresent the facts about Fisker or yourself at all. /people can decide for themselves I'll catch you on the next one. Yupe, your right Don, I totally ‘projected’ on you there. You didn’t misrepresent the facts about Fisker or yourself at all.

/people can decide for themselves

I’ll catch you on the next one.

]]> By: Tagamet http://gm-volt.com/2009/07/05/fisker-tries-to-distance-company-from-tesla-and-volt/#comment-124123 Tagamet Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:12:57 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1743#comment-124123 N. Riley, They DID try to explain the remark - up a few posts. Be well, Tagamet <b>LJGTVWOTR</b> N. Riley,
They DID try to explain the remark – up a few posts.
Be well,
Tagamet
LJGTVWOTR

]]> By: Tagamet http://gm-volt.com/2009/07/05/fisker-tries-to-distance-company-from-tesla-and-volt/#comment-124121 Tagamet Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:10:58 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1743#comment-124121 Noel, Your Chevy is the one parked <i>right</i> behind mine (g). Be well, Tagamet <b>LJGTVWOTR!!**********NPNS</b> Noel,
Your Chevy is the one parked right behind mine (g).
Be well,
Tagamet
LJGTVWOTR!!**********NPNS

]]> By: Tagamet http://gm-volt.com/2009/07/05/fisker-tries-to-distance-company-from-tesla-and-volt/#comment-124119 Tagamet Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:56:19 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1743#comment-124119 I, ahem, suspect that Statik knows about that (given that it's in the universe of all things fiscal). But you're right, I haven't seen this addressed (though I think the bond holders will get bupkiss) Be well, Tagamet <b>LJGTVWOTR!!**********NPNS</b> I, ahem, suspect that Statik knows about that (given that it’s in the universe of all things fiscal). But you’re right, I haven’t seen this addressed (though I think the bond holders will get bupkiss)
Be well,
Tagamet
LJGTVWOTR!!**********NPNS

]]> By: Koz http://gm-volt.com/2009/07/05/fisker-tries-to-distance-company-from-tesla-and-volt/#comment-124116 Koz Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:37:56 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1743#comment-124116 Funny this comes up now but I've never seen any mention of what could be expected from the bad assets as far as the stakeholders are concerned. We've seen tons of talk about what their positions will be in the New GM, and lots of opinions about how the bondholders have been railroaded (which they were to some degree) into a lesser position than the UAW. The final plan looks like they have the opportunity to own more of the company than the UAW through warants. I assume the bondholders are first in line for any cash left after disposition of the Bad GM parts. I wonder what all this means for Pontiac, Hummer, etc. in the interim. Does Pontiac stop production when this is finalized? Whose paying their bills, etc. Funny this comes up now but I’ve never seen any mention of what could be expected from the bad assets as far as the stakeholders are concerned. We’ve seen tons of talk about what their positions will be in the New GM, and lots of opinions about how the bondholders have been railroaded (which they were to some degree) into a lesser position than the UAW. The final plan looks like they have the opportunity to own more of the company than the UAW through warants. I assume the bondholders are first in line for any cash left after disposition of the Bad GM parts. I wonder what all this means for Pontiac, Hummer, etc. in the interim. Does Pontiac stop production when this is finalized? Whose paying their bills, etc.

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