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	<title>Comments on: Toyota Aggressively Patent Protects Prius, GM Doing Same With Volt</title>
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		<title>By: EVO</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2009/07/02/toyota-aggressively-patent-protects-prius-gm-doing-same-with-volt/#comment-125329</link>
		<dc:creator>EVO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My goal is absolutely all electric drive. I could care less about what energy carriers, fuel sources, hybrid configurations are used to get that.

Why is that my goal as a driver?

Intrinsic luxury performance and low maintenance:
Quiet.
Maximum torque at 0 rmp and up to about half the top speed.  
Instant and near linear acceleration at all times.
Lower center of gravity possible with the energy carrier for improved handling.

Drivetrain has one moving part and a single gear.
Less mechanical brake wear due to regenerative braking.

Sure, toss on a range extended generator if you want, but give me that electric drive luxury performance 100% of the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My goal is absolutely all electric drive. I could care less about what energy carriers, fuel sources, hybrid configurations are used to get that.</p>
<p>Why is that my goal as a driver?</p>
<p>Intrinsic luxury performance and low maintenance:<br />
Quiet.<br />
Maximum torque at 0 rmp and up to about half the top speed.<br />
Instant and near linear acceleration at all times.<br />
Lower center of gravity possible with the energy carrier for improved handling.</p>
<p>Drivetrain has one moving part and a single gear.<br />
Less mechanical brake wear due to regenerative braking.</p>
<p>Sure, toss on a range extended generator if you want, but give me that electric drive luxury performance 100% of the time.</p>
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		<title>By: EVO</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2009/07/02/toyota-aggressively-patent-protects-prius-gm-doing-same-with-volt/#comment-125328</link>
		<dc:creator>EVO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Texas

You are referring to pedal assist electric bicycles with regenerative braking activated at the pedals, for additional efficiency. Such things sell in the millions in Asia and around the world. Surely you don&#039;t think you could imagine anything that hasn&#039;t already been implemented. If folks ever knew about even 1% of all the great stuff that&#039;s already available out there, civilization would be very different and much nicer.

That&#039;s why I think that marketing is the key. Pretty much no one has ever heard of the GM Volt or even if they have, know anything about it. Now, where can GM find a great marketing guy with lots of experience to coordinate GM&#039;s high performance EREV and EV product development?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Texas</p>
<p>You are referring to pedal assist electric bicycles with regenerative braking activated at the pedals, for additional efficiency. Such things sell in the millions in Asia and around the world. Surely you don&#8217;t think you could imagine anything that hasn&#8217;t already been implemented. If folks ever knew about even 1% of all the great stuff that&#8217;s already available out there, civilization would be very different and much nicer.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I think that marketing is the key. Pretty much no one has ever heard of the GM Volt or even if they have, know anything about it. Now, where can GM find a great marketing guy with lots of experience to coordinate GM&#8217;s high performance EREV and EV product development?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob G</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2009/07/02/toyota-aggressively-patent-protects-prius-gm-doing-same-with-volt/#comment-124081</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Needed?!&quot;  I beg to differ.  IMHO, too many people confuse luxuries with necessities.  My 1959 Chevy is well over 4,000 pounds and the &quot;Armstrong&quot; steering works well.  I just make sure the vehicle is rolling slightly while turning the steering wheel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Needed?!&#8221;  I beg to differ.  IMHO, too many people confuse luxuries with necessities.  My 1959 Chevy is well over 4,000 pounds and the &#8220;Armstrong&#8221; steering works well.  I just make sure the vehicle is rolling slightly while turning the steering wheel.</p>
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		<title>By: Tagamet</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2009/07/02/toyota-aggressively-patent-protects-prius-gm-doing-same-with-volt/#comment-123603</link>
		<dc:creator>Tagamet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve obviously never been to a Penn State vs. Notre Dame game. It&#039;s not always about what the scoreboard says.
Be well,
Tagamet</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve obviously never been to a Penn State vs. Notre Dame game. It&#8217;s not always about what the scoreboard says.<br />
Be well,<br />
Tagamet</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie H.</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2009/07/02/toyota-aggressively-patent-protects-prius-gm-doing-same-with-volt/#comment-123601</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if it&#039;s a home game, when the home team is down 15,000 to 1500, any trash-talking by the home team&#039;s mascot seems rather stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if it&#8217;s a home game, when the home team is down 15,000 to 1500, any trash-talking by the home team&#8217;s mascot seems rather stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: jeffhre</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2009/07/02/toyota-aggressively-patent-protects-prius-gm-doing-same-with-volt/#comment-123587</link>
		<dc:creator>jeffhre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 19:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The other problem is that some people want to compare sales figures of a car that’s been out since 1997 to a car that won’t be out until 2011.&quot;

I&#039;m always amazed at how much of this there is on the snarky comment side. There are axes to grind and the blades are always sharp, long before there is a Volt on the road to make comparisons to. 

The &quot;Prius killer&quot; Honda Insight&#039;s sales results should show folks one more time that conjectured projections and real world performance don&#039;t line up with one to one correspondence.

I&#039;m not taking a side so I&#039;m sure that I&#039;ll be eCastigated for taking such a wrongheaded stance by those that have staked their bets on one of the warring sides.

Starting a list.

Prius is crushing Volts
Volt renders Prius archaic
Prius pushes Volt to niche status
Prius sales fall off a cliff of Volt popularity
Volts can&#039;t be built fast enuf
Prius blows Volt mileage away
Volts can&#039;t be given away
All of the above is forever written in stone :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The other problem is that some people want to compare sales figures of a car that’s been out since 1997 to a car that won’t be out until 2011.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m always amazed at how much of this there is on the snarky comment side. There are axes to grind and the blades are always sharp, long before there is a Volt on the road to make comparisons to. </p>
<p>The &#8220;Prius killer&#8221; Honda Insight&#8217;s sales results should show folks one more time that conjectured projections and real world performance don&#8217;t line up with one to one correspondence.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not taking a side so I&#8217;m sure that I&#8217;ll be eCastigated for taking such a wrongheaded stance by those that have staked their bets on one of the warring sides.</p>
<p>Starting a list.</p>
<p>Prius is crushing Volts<br />
Volt renders Prius archaic<br />
Prius pushes Volt to niche status<br />
Prius sales fall off a cliff of Volt popularity<br />
Volts can&#8217;t be built fast enuf<br />
Prius blows Volt mileage away<br />
Volts can&#8217;t be given away<br />
All of the above is forever written in stone <img src='http://gm-volt.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dave G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>statik Says: &lt;i&gt;The Prius has achieved a lot, and they have made all the other car makers up their game when it comes to fuel efficiency. History will remember it fondly. Why does it have to be villainized here?&lt;/i&gt;
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Here&#039;s the problem.  Right now, most people don&#039;t realize how much gas a car like the Volt will save, so most people just see the Volt and the Prius as 2 &quot;green&quot; cars competing with each other.

The reality is that EREVs are a whole new ballgame, and cars like the Prius are much more like a regular car than an EV.

The other problem is that some people want to compare sales figures of a car that&#039;s been out since 1997 to a car that won&#039;t be out until 2011.

Having said all this, I do agree that the Prius is a great car and will be remembered fondly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>statik Says: <i>The Prius has achieved a lot, and they have made all the other car makers up their game when it comes to fuel efficiency. History will remember it fondly. Why does it have to be villainized here?</i><br />
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Here&#8217;s the problem.  Right now, most people don&#8217;t realize how much gas a car like the Volt will save, so most people just see the Volt and the Prius as 2 &#8220;green&#8221; cars competing with each other.</p>
<p>The reality is that EREVs are a whole new ballgame, and cars like the Prius are much more like a regular car than an EV.</p>
<p>The other problem is that some people want to compare sales figures of a car that&#8217;s been out since 1997 to a car that won&#8217;t be out until 2011.</p>
<p>Having said all this, I do agree that the Prius is a great car and will be remembered fondly.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toyota&#039;s sales mix is 60/40 cars to trucks (and the &quot;trucks&quot; includes the Rav and Sienna).

GM&#039;s sales mix is 40/60 cars to trucks (and the &quot;trucks&quot; does include the HHR).

Toyota, in terms of units actually sold, is selling more high-mpg vehicles than GM, by far.

Also, Toyota&#039;s line includes the Yaris and the Prius, both of which are extremely thrifty with a gallon of gas.  These drive Toyota&#039;s CAFE numbers even higher.

People like to point out that Toyota has several models of SUV but, so what?  They sell in insignificant numbers  (800/month for the Sequoia, even fewer for the Land Cruiser) compared to their small cars.  People do buy vehicles like that and it&#039;s hard to see where Toyota should leave money on the table by not exploring these markets.

I think Chu is looking at E-85 compatibility as something akin to a civil defense measure.  If cars run on flex fuel, they&#039;ll be able to operate on alternatives in situations where oil is temporarily unavailable and, should ethanol production become somehow practical, cost-effective and gains a net increase in energy beyond fossil-fuel-supplied process heat and farm inputs, having a flex fleet to fuel would be useful.  Given the extremely modest cost of adaption, it&#039;s almost a no-brainer.  As of now, there&#039;s no ethanol economy visible on the horizon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toyota&#8217;s sales mix is 60/40 cars to trucks (and the &#8220;trucks&#8221; includes the Rav and Sienna).</p>
<p>GM&#8217;s sales mix is 40/60 cars to trucks (and the &#8220;trucks&#8221; does include the HHR).</p>
<p>Toyota, in terms of units actually sold, is selling more high-mpg vehicles than GM, by far.</p>
<p>Also, Toyota&#8217;s line includes the Yaris and the Prius, both of which are extremely thrifty with a gallon of gas.  These drive Toyota&#8217;s CAFE numbers even higher.</p>
<p>People like to point out that Toyota has several models of SUV but, so what?  They sell in insignificant numbers  (800/month for the Sequoia, even fewer for the Land Cruiser) compared to their small cars.  People do buy vehicles like that and it&#8217;s hard to see where Toyota should leave money on the table by not exploring these markets.</p>
<p>I think Chu is looking at E-85 compatibility as something akin to a civil defense measure.  If cars run on flex fuel, they&#8217;ll be able to operate on alternatives in situations where oil is temporarily unavailable and, should ethanol production become somehow practical, cost-effective and gains a net increase in energy beyond fossil-fuel-supplied process heat and farm inputs, having a flex fleet to fuel would be useful.  Given the extremely modest cost of adaption, it&#8217;s almost a no-brainer.  As of now, there&#8217;s no ethanol economy visible on the horizon.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie H.</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2009/07/02/toyota-aggressively-patent-protects-prius-gm-doing-same-with-volt/#comment-123578</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Denigrate the effort of an American company?&quot;  Do you ever read the papers?  That American company went toes up.  The effort of the current management team ended in bankruptcy and two kinds of hybrid that are unsaleable.  Now, they&#039;re sucking down taxpayer cash to produce a $40K compact car.

I&#039;m an unwilling investor in this ongoing catastrophe.  It&#039;s my duty to point out what&#039;s really going on.

Reality sure is unpopuar around here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Denigrate the effort of an American company?&#8221;  Do you ever read the papers?  That American company went toes up.  The effort of the current management team ended in bankruptcy and two kinds of hybrid that are unsaleable.  Now, they&#8217;re sucking down taxpayer cash to produce a $40K compact car.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m an unwilling investor in this ongoing catastrophe.  It&#8217;s my duty to point out what&#8217;s really going on.</p>
<p>Reality sure is unpopuar around here.</p>
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		<title>By: statik</title>
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		<dc:creator>statik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you have the hot new 1600 baud modem for that?  I&#039;m still saving up for it.</description>
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