Comments on: Nissan Plans to Build EVs and Batteries in USA http://gm-volt.com/2009/06/20/nissan-plans-to-build-evs-and-batteries-in-usa/ Real-time news, information, and discussion about the Chevrolet Volt. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:07:32 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: certification http://gm-volt.com/2009/06/20/nissan-plans-to-build-evs-and-batteries-in-usa/#comment-122919 certification Wed, 01 Jul 2009 10:54:21 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1719#comment-122919 Thank you for sharing.<a href="http://www.braindumps-city.com" rel="nofollow">braindumps</a> Thank you for sharing.braindumps

]]> By: Jason Perry http://gm-volt.com/2009/06/20/nissan-plans-to-build-evs-and-batteries-in-usa/#comment-120521 Jason Perry Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:24:33 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1719#comment-120521 Why do posters keep commenting on the clearly stated "mule" Nissan electric car. You can be sure the final car will look great as Nissan can produce a very cool looking car, look at the 2009 370Z Why do posters keep commenting on the clearly stated “mule” Nissan electric car. You can be sure the final car will look great as Nissan can produce a very cool looking car, look at the 2009 370Z

]]> By: 51st State http://gm-volt.com/2009/06/20/nissan-plans-to-build-evs-and-batteries-in-usa/#comment-120353 51st State Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:45:39 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1719#comment-120353 A lot of awful cars are made in Canada, except the Camaro. A lot of awful cars are made in Canada, except the Camaro.

]]> By: JackFlash http://gm-volt.com/2009/06/20/nissan-plans-to-build-evs-and-batteries-in-usa/#comment-120281 JackFlash Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:47:48 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1719#comment-120281 "An awful lot of cars are made in Ontario, including the Camaro." Like I said I was kidding, but thanks for making my point, what new model of Canadian car can we expect this year? “An awful lot of cars are made in Ontario, including the Camaro.”

Like I said I was kidding, but thanks for making my point, what new model of Canadian car can we expect this year?

]]> By: MuddyRoverRob http://gm-volt.com/2009/06/20/nissan-plans-to-build-evs-and-batteries-in-usa/#comment-120272 MuddyRoverRob Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:16:59 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1719#comment-120272 There is a fair amount of sense in bringing a single model to market first and then diversifying the line. If they tried to build a sedan and a pickup and a van all at once the engineers could not concentrate on the main goal which is to put out a real working polished product. Why a small sedan? I think it's as simple as saying we are building a 'green' car and keeping it small to make it 'extra green'. Once Voltec is proven to the public then acceptance of other models is more likely. I absolutely agree that a van and then a small pickup (crossover, SUV, etc) should be in the 'pipeline' after the Volt hits the road. I do think the dual mode will be the way to go for a 'work' vehicle for the next few years. I'm thinking about trailer towing and heavier loads where a pure electric would at this point overwhelm existing battery technology and it would end up running the genset all the time anyway. (Although this should to be tested to see whether an optimised genset would be more economical to run than the dual mode. I'd like to be wrong on that point!) There is a fair amount of sense in bringing a single model to market first and then diversifying the line. If they tried to build a sedan and a pickup and a van all at once the engineers could not concentrate on the main goal which is to put out a real working polished product.

Why a small sedan? I think it’s as simple as saying we are building a ‘green’ car and keeping it small to make it ‘extra green’. Once Voltec is proven to the public then acceptance of other models is more likely.

I absolutely agree that a van and then a small pickup (crossover, SUV, etc) should be in the ‘pipeline’ after the Volt hits the road.

I do think the dual mode will be the way to go for a ‘work’ vehicle for the next few years. I’m thinking about trailer towing and heavier loads where a pure electric would at this point overwhelm existing battery technology and it would end up running the genset all the time anyway.

(Although this should to be tested to see whether an optimised genset would be more economical to run than the dual mode. I’d like to be wrong on that point!)

]]> By: N Riley http://gm-volt.com/2009/06/20/nissan-plans-to-build-evs-and-batteries-in-usa/#comment-120271 N Riley Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:13:50 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1719#comment-120271 Well, if it looks like the picture above, Nissan can forget selling very many. Well, if it looks like the picture above, Nissan can forget selling very many.

]]> By: MuddyRoverRob http://gm-volt.com/2009/06/20/nissan-plans-to-build-evs-and-batteries-in-usa/#comment-120265 MuddyRoverRob Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:50:19 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1719#comment-120265 And Water and Hydro Power and wheat (Being the United States largest trading partner and all...) An awful lot of cars are made in Ontario, including the Camaro. And Water and Hydro Power and wheat (Being the United States largest trading partner and all…)

An awful lot of cars are made in Ontario, including the Camaro.

]]> By: kent beuchert http://gm-volt.com/2009/06/20/nissan-plans-to-build-evs-and-batteries-in-usa/#comment-120260 kent beuchert Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:40:39 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1719#comment-120260 Nissan is apparently trying to cover all possible technology bases, meaning they haven't a clue as to which will emerge triumphant. You all remember that Ghosn and Nissan originally were like Honda - bound and determined to avoid electric propulsion. Then apparently Agassi (of Better Place) talked Ghosn into producing a car with swappable batteries for his system, leading Ghosn appparently to believe that this would allow him, as well as Agassi, to establish a monopoly and both make a fortune. But Ghosn obviously understands that Better Place is looking more and more like a really bad bet - a potential white elephant that looks very shaky in the presence of recent battery development advances by MIT that would make Better Place in one stroke a useless mass of very expensive swapping machines and buildings that couldn't compete with existing gas stations, which can easily swap their pumps for charging ports, at a gradual rate as EVs appear on the roads. This gradual changeover is far and away the most efficient and doesn't require tens of billions in investor money. We all know that every li ion battery maker on the planet is rushing to find another chemical that can work as well as, or better, than that patented by MIT and licensed to A123 Systems, and thus go around MIT's patent.MIT as much as admitted that many of these chemicals may exist - they by no means did an exhaustive study of all likely candidates. So every battery company's future is iffy and subject to destruction by advances that they cannot get ahold of. This doesn't even take account of the possiblility that EEStor's devices may work (and a recent statement by an ex board member said that he had seen a demo of a wroking EEStor EESU leads many to think that EEStor will succeed, and soon. By September). Auto companies,however, should be able to get the best batteries from someone (if EEStor works, the devices will be sold to anyone and everyone who wants one. The only auto connection they have is with ZENN Motors, and ZENN has ratcheted up plans for retrofits and merchandising powertrains to automakers, not building cars) Nissan is apparently trying to cover all possible technology bases, meaning they haven’t a clue as to which will emerge triumphant. You all remember that Ghosn and Nissan originally were like Honda – bound and determined to avoid electric propulsion. Then apparently Agassi (of Better Place) talked Ghosn into producing a car with swappable batteries for his system, leading Ghosn appparently to believe that this would allow him, as well as Agassi, to establish a monopoly and both make a fortune. But Ghosn obviously understands that Better Place is looking more and more like a really bad bet – a potential white elephant that looks very shaky in the presence of recent battery development advances by MIT that would make Better Place in one stroke a useless mass of very expensive swapping machines and buildings that couldn’t compete with existing gas stations, which can easily swap their pumps for charging ports, at a gradual rate as EVs appear on the roads. This
gradual changeover is far and away the most efficient and doesn’t require tens of billions in investor money. We all know that every li ion battery maker on the planet is rushing to find another chemical that can work as well as, or better, than that patented by MIT and licensed to A123 Systems, and thus go around MIT’s patent.MIT
as much as admitted that many of these chemicals may exist – they
by no means did an exhaustive study of all likely candidates. So
every battery company’s future is iffy and subject to destruction by advances that they cannot get ahold of. This doesn’t even take account of the possiblility that EEStor’s devices may work (and a recent statement by an ex board member said that he had seen a demo of a wroking EEStor EESU leads many to think that EEStor will succeed, and soon. By September). Auto companies,however, should be able to get the best batteries from someone (if EEStor works, the devices will be sold to anyone and everyone who wants one. The only auto connection they have is with ZENN Motors, and ZENN has ratcheted up plans for retrofits and merchandising powertrains to automakers, not building cars)

]]> By: tom http://gm-volt.com/2009/06/20/nissan-plans-to-build-evs-and-batteries-in-usa/#comment-120258 tom Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:33:47 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1719#comment-120258 I'd be a person who would benefit from the BEV in the situation you question. But it depends on if it is ok to charge and partially charge. To me it is no different than my cell phone which I regularly plug in to keep it charged because I use it so much. If I make several trips a day but can charge in between with a 220 line, I'd be fine. Eventually, the main 2 issues with BEV adoption will be if it is okay to charge your battery multiple times or partially (or do we need to fully charge and fully deplete it to maximize life) and if there will be places to charge your care besides home relatively quickly. Typical weekday: Drive 15 miles to work (can I charge it at the office?). Drive home 15 miles (can I partially charge it) Drive 15 miles round trip to kids baseball game. Typical weekend: Drive 40 miles to my Mom's house (can I charge it there) Drive 40 miles back home. I’d be a person who would benefit from the BEV in the situation you question. But it depends on if it is ok to charge and partially charge.

To me it is no different than my cell phone which I regularly plug in to keep it charged because I use it so much.

If I make several trips a day but can charge in between with a 220 line, I’d be fine.

Eventually, the main 2 issues with BEV adoption will be if it is okay to charge your battery multiple times or partially (or do we need to fully charge and fully deplete it to maximize life) and if there will be places to charge your care besides home relatively quickly.

Typical weekday:
Drive 15 miles to work (can I charge it at the office?).
Drive home 15 miles (can I partially charge it)
Drive 15 miles round trip to kids baseball game.

Typical weekend:
Drive 40 miles to my Mom’s house (can I charge it there)
Drive 40 miles back home.

]]> By: Johnny http://gm-volt.com/2009/06/20/nissan-plans-to-build-evs-and-batteries-in-usa/#comment-120257 Johnny Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:30:08 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1719#comment-120257 IIRC, the concept shown is a just a mule to test the hardware. The production version will be a small passenger car. IIRC, the concept shown is a just a mule to test the hardware. The production version will be a small passenger car.

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