Comments on: GM VP: Optimistic, On-Time, and Under-Budget on the Chevy Volt http://gm-volt.com/2009/06/18/gm-vp-optomistic-on-time-and-under-budget-on-the-chevy-volt/ Real-time news, information, and discussion about the Chevrolet Volt. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:07:32 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Apollo Daily Digest » Blog Archive » June 23, 2009: The House Energy Bill, To Be or Not To Be http://gm-volt.com/2009/06/18/gm-vp-optomistic-on-time-and-under-budget-on-the-chevy-volt/#comment-127433 Apollo Daily Digest » Blog Archive » June 23, 2009: The House Energy Bill, To Be or Not To Be Fri, 17 Jul 2009 22:17:53 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1478#comment-127433 [...] G.M. says the development of its plug-in hybrid Chevy Volt is on time and under-budget. [...] [...] G.M. says the development of its plug-in hybrid Chevy Volt is on time and under-budget. [...]

]]> By: Sustainable Industries » Sustainable Industries Daily Update http://gm-volt.com/2009/06/18/gm-vp-optomistic-on-time-and-under-budget-on-the-chevy-volt/#comment-120841 Sustainable Industries » Sustainable Industries Daily Update Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:42:36 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1478#comment-120841 [...] Notice one car company not on that list? Yeah, Chevy and its Volt are not on there. Wondering what’s going on with the Volt? Seems to be on schedule… [...] [...] Notice one car company not on that list? Yeah, Chevy and its Volt are not on there. Wondering what’s going on with the Volt? Seems to be on schedule… [...]

]]> By: Die Hard GM Fan http://gm-volt.com/2009/06/18/gm-vp-optomistic-on-time-and-under-budget-on-the-chevy-volt/#comment-120620 Die Hard GM Fan Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:07:43 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1478#comment-120620 Given most of our electricity comes from burning fuel of some sort, what is the carbon footprint of the new Volt? If you look at the use of Ethanol, we burn more fuel to make Ethanol that we do in our fuel mixtures. Where is the Green or good for the environment in that? Howmuch will it cost per Kwh to run this car? Who would you rather pay, the electric company or the oil company? The only way to be truly grean is to use green diesel produced from non-food crops and synthetic materials. Are you telling me with today's technology, we can not make a synthetic material that can be burned our engines? C'mon man, wake up..... Given most of our electricity comes from burning fuel of some sort, what is the carbon footprint of the new Volt? If you look at the use of Ethanol, we burn more fuel to make Ethanol that we do in our fuel mixtures. Where is the Green or good for the environment in that? Howmuch will it cost per Kwh to run this car? Who would you rather pay, the electric company or the oil company? The only way to be truly grean is to use green diesel produced from non-food crops and synthetic materials. Are you telling me with today’s technology, we can not make a synthetic material that can be burned our engines? C’mon man, wake up…..

]]> By: koz http://gm-volt.com/2009/06/18/gm-vp-optomistic-on-time-and-under-budget-on-the-chevy-volt/#comment-119966 koz Sat, 20 Jun 2009 13:15:10 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1478#comment-119966 Stas & MuddyRoverRob I think the doubters of this are in the last throws of resistance on this issue. It isn't that hard to understand where the range of mpg's that ER mode will fall within unless one refuses to believe GM will use an efficiency optimized ICE cycle. Stas & MuddyRoverRob

I think the doubters of this are in the last throws of resistance on this issue. It isn’t that hard to understand where the range of mpg’s that ER mode will fall within unless one refuses to believe GM will use an efficiency optimized ICE cycle.

]]> By: MuddyRoverRob http://gm-volt.com/2009/06/18/gm-vp-optomistic-on-time-and-under-budget-on-the-chevy-volt/#comment-119934 MuddyRoverRob Fri, 19 Jun 2009 21:16:25 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1478#comment-119934 #128 stas peterson My thoughts exactly. I can't wait to see a 'running' IV! #128 stas peterson
My thoughts exactly.

I can’t wait to see a ‘running’ IV!

]]> By: stas peterson http://gm-volt.com/2009/06/18/gm-vp-optomistic-on-time-and-under-budget-on-the-chevy-volt/#comment-119925 stas peterson Fri, 19 Jun 2009 19:37:27 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1478#comment-119925 Any competent Engineer will readily tell you that an ICE engine cn be optimized to produce its best mileage at a certain constant RPM.. That is how the EREV generator works. I would be surpised if a 1.4 liter virtually constant rpm engine cannot subtantially out perform a 1.8 liter all-rpm engine in fuel economy. 100 out of 100 engineers would accept a wager that they can do so. Any competent Engineer will readily tell you that an ICE engine cn be optimized to produce its best mileage at a certain constant RPM.. That is how the EREV generator works.

I would be surpised if a 1.4 liter virtually constant rpm engine cannot subtantially out perform a 1.8 liter all-rpm engine in fuel economy. 100 out of 100 engineers would accept a wager that they can do so.

]]> By: Van http://gm-volt.com/2009/06/18/gm-vp-optomistic-on-time-and-under-budget-on-the-chevy-volt/#comment-119916 Van Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:15:37 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1478#comment-119916 Hi John1701a @ 120, There is no contradiction. Converting energy from mechanical to electrical, then back to mechanical is not as efficient as direct drive. So the Prius gets more than 50, if I recall you are getting around 55, and with a 15% loss, that would mean the Volt would get about 47 MPG which is consistent with "close to 50." In addition, if you toss in that the Volt is operating at peak efficiency producing the urban average power of about 8 kW, and the low speed of the Volt (21 MPH average) in the urban cycle, getting near 50 seems reasonable to me. Hi John1701a @ 120,

There is no contradiction. Converting energy from mechanical to electrical, then back to mechanical is not as efficient as direct drive. So the Prius gets more than 50, if I recall you are getting around 55, and with a 15% loss, that would mean the Volt would get about 47 MPG which is consistent with “close to 50.” In addition, if you toss in that the Volt is operating at peak efficiency producing the urban average power of about 8 kW, and the low speed of the Volt (21 MPH average) in the urban cycle, getting near 50 seems reasonable to me.

]]> By: Don http://gm-volt.com/2009/06/18/gm-vp-optomistic-on-time-and-under-budget-on-the-chevy-volt/#comment-119909 Don Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:51:39 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1478#comment-119909 They need to get it out ahead of schedule. Lots of juicy subsidies AVAILABLE NOW. And gas prices seem to be rising fast. They need to get it out ahead of schedule. Lots of juicy subsidies AVAILABLE NOW. And gas prices seem to be rising fast.

]]> By: jeffhre http://gm-volt.com/2009/06/18/gm-vp-optomistic-on-time-and-under-budget-on-the-chevy-volt/#comment-119904 jeffhre Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:18:06 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1478#comment-119904 #122 CS Guy GM gives me hope for their future as a leader in the auto industry. Being on budget is important because of GMs recent history of burning through cash stockpiles. I believe GM is being too cautious by taking a wait and see attitude on serial hybrid tech ___________ GM said they will lose money on each Generation I. If thats true, the more they spread around and build of gen I the more they lose. Maybe gen II and gen III Voltec will be the platforms that can be expanded at a profit. #122 CS Guy

GM gives me hope for their future as a leader in the auto industry.

Being on budget is important because of GMs recent history of burning through cash stockpiles.

I believe GM is being too cautious by taking a wait and see attitude on serial hybrid tech
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GM said they will lose money on each Generation I. If thats true, the more they spread around and build of gen I the more they lose. Maybe gen II and gen III Voltec will be the platforms that can be expanded at a profit.

]]> By: MuddyRoverRob http://gm-volt.com/2009/06/18/gm-vp-optomistic-on-time-and-under-budget-on-the-chevy-volt/#comment-119897 MuddyRoverRob Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:20:38 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1478#comment-119897 I have a question for the group in general but the Cap'n in particular. Yes the truck price is Canadian dollars and the kit is us dollars but since this just an exercise gimme a break, OK? A new Colorado pickup costs $23505 'base' in Canada. http://www.gm.ca/gm/english/vehicles/chevrolet/colorado/overview Yes the following 'kit' is for a Ranger but since it's a GM focused site I used the Colorado pickup price. As refered to by the Cap'n in #62 http://www.lionev.com/Ranger_conversion_kits.html $22245, assuming a $10k battery pack (in the high middle of the pack price range quoted) and $2000 for the charger. I took the cabling price as quoted on the site although it would obviously vary form that using the different truck platform. That totals $45750. From my viewpoint The Volts price point is starting to make some sence. This is not intended to be a smack down, I was curious and added it up. Am I missing something? I have a question for the group in general but the Cap’n in particular.

Yes the truck price is Canadian dollars and the kit is us dollars but since this just an exercise gimme a break, OK?

A new Colorado pickup costs $23505 ‘base’ in Canada.
http://www.gm.ca/gm/english/vehicles/chevrolet/colorado/overview
Yes the following ‘kit’ is for a Ranger but since it’s a GM focused site I used the Colorado pickup price.

As refered to by the Cap’n in #62
http://www.lionev.com/Ranger_conversion_kits.html
$22245, assuming a $10k battery pack (in the high middle of the pack price range quoted) and $2000 for the charger. I took the cabling price as quoted on the site although it would obviously vary form that using the different truck platform.

That totals $45750.

From my viewpoint The Volts price point is starting to make some sence. This is not intended to be a smack down, I was curious and added it up.

Am I missing something?

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