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	<title>Comments on: Rumor:  New Buick CUV to Get 2-Mode Plug-in Hybrid Drivetrain</title>
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		<title>By: jbfalaska</title>
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		<dc:creator>jbfalaska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 03:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I owned 4 Buicks in my life (I&#039;m 45) and still have 3 of them. Incredibly reliable.  The GS Supercharged is a great car with power and sips fuel.  The one thing I do enjoy with the brand is just how incredibly quiet they are on the road.  Can&#039;t wait for an electric Buick - imagine the quiet in such a car. I&#039;ll pay the premium, since Buick always gives those added chrome with inspiring colors, yet stay understated.  This luxury brand fits me well. 

Still, for now, CHEVY VOLT: American-made, American-FUELED - something I&#039;ve waited for more than 20 years in the military fighting in the Oil Lanes of the Middle East to see America put behind us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I owned 4 Buicks in my life (I&#8217;m 45) and still have 3 of them. Incredibly reliable.  The GS Supercharged is a great car with power and sips fuel.  The one thing I do enjoy with the brand is just how incredibly quiet they are on the road.  Can&#8217;t wait for an electric Buick &#8211; imagine the quiet in such a car. I&#8217;ll pay the premium, since Buick always gives those added chrome with inspiring colors, yet stay understated.  This luxury brand fits me well. </p>
<p>Still, for now, CHEVY VOLT: American-made, American-FUELED &#8211; something I&#8217;ve waited for more than 20 years in the military fighting in the Oil Lanes of the Middle East to see America put behind us.</p>
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		<title>By: Enter the Rumormill: upcoming Buick CUV may get 2-Mode hybrid powertrain - Green News</title>
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		<dc:creator>Enter the Rumormill: upcoming Buick CUV may get 2-Mode hybrid powertrain - Green News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a ray of hope may be on the horizon from a seemingly unlikely source. According to a posting on GM-Volt.com, there&#8217;s a possibility that an upcoming CUV from Buick could be granted access to the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: stas peterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>stas peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>statik,

You are confusing the issue about past vehicles like the old SRX, or old Equinox.  We are talking about the new SRX and new Buick &quot;what-ever-they-call-it.&quot;

Fact: the Equinox and Terrain are being built, or going to be built on a single platform. That platform is NOT Theta Premium.  

Fact: The new SRX and new Vue are being built,or are going to be built, on another platform called the Theta Premium.  I don&#039;t care how you obfuscate it, there is a difference, even though they are ALL compact, 5-seat, unitized body, CUVs. 

So it is more appropriate to say that Chevy and GMC share a platform, the Theta platform.  And upscale Buick and Caddy share an upscale platform, called the Theta Premium.
   
I would certainly hope that they are similar and use many common parts for common sized vehicles.  But there is a reason for the two different platform versions, each with only two implementations.  One version is simply more sophisticated than the other.

If Buick really wants to justify its upscale image, as something more, it can&#039;t simply be a &quot;rebadged&quot; Chevrolet.  But it certainly doesn&#039;t hurt to be a &quot;de-contented&quot;, &quot;entry-Luxury&quot; Cadillac, which is exactly what, it is in fact for this vehicle, Buick intends to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>statik,</p>
<p>You are confusing the issue about past vehicles like the old SRX, or old Equinox.  We are talking about the new SRX and new Buick &#8220;what-ever-they-call-it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fact: the Equinox and Terrain are being built, or going to be built on a single platform. That platform is NOT Theta Premium.  </p>
<p>Fact: The new SRX and new Vue are being built,or are going to be built, on another platform called the Theta Premium.  I don&#8217;t care how you obfuscate it, there is a difference, even though they are ALL compact, 5-seat, unitized body, CUVs. </p>
<p>So it is more appropriate to say that Chevy and GMC share a platform, the Theta platform.  And upscale Buick and Caddy share an upscale platform, called the Theta Premium.</p>
<p>I would certainly hope that they are similar and use many common parts for common sized vehicles.  But there is a reason for the two different platform versions, each with only two implementations.  One version is simply more sophisticated than the other.</p>
<p>If Buick really wants to justify its upscale image, as something more, it can&#8217;t simply be a &#8220;rebadged&#8221; Chevrolet.  But it certainly doesn&#8217;t hurt to be a &#8220;de-contented&#8221;, &#8220;entry-Luxury&#8221; Cadillac, which is exactly what, it is in fact for this vehicle, Buick intends to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Lwesson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lwesson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Benion2 #29  Right your ARE!  William (Billy) Crappo Durant was the founder of General Motors.  Now HARRY was like Harpo, the kind of quiet one, much like the Edsel of the family.  What would he say, what would he do, people were always in query as he didn&#039;t say.  Played the harpsichord at company picnics.  Eccentric, a womanizer...  the 1918 Harry never got off the design stage.  An electric you should know.  Very quiet!

Carcus1  Fahrvergnugen, YA! in der YouTuben video of Der F und das electric wagen.   I say, hilarious, more funny than Churchill on one of his many drunken naked rants and dubious military building suggestions.

Interesting about the Das Volt and Volkswagen and how elements of the two are converging in some ways.  However, current history is curious as the US Government via the slight of hand &quot;bailout&quot; and nebulous CEO&#039;s now pretty much owns GM.  At least DER ONE  (eine)  has not tried to name the Volt, yet.

per Buick and China  Dan Petit  #94  I am convinced that the so called &quot;global economy&quot; is a scam on a damning global scale that undermines the people of this nation and other advanced nation states.  Adam Smith in, The Wealth of Nations, a ponderous book indeed, would find such juggling of manufacture as a clever but devious method for some few to make a great deal of money at the LONG term expense of the People and ultimately the sovereignty of said State.  Globalists rub their unctuous hands every day.

Cheers!-----Higgins   Go chase some oily Globalist my goode Boys!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benion2 #29  Right your ARE!  William (Billy) Crappo Durant was the founder of General Motors.  Now HARRY was like Harpo, the kind of quiet one, much like the Edsel of the family.  What would he say, what would he do, people were always in query as he didn&#8217;t say.  Played the harpsichord at company picnics.  Eccentric, a womanizer&#8230;  the 1918 Harry never got off the design stage.  An electric you should know.  Very quiet!</p>
<p>Carcus1  Fahrvergnugen, YA! in der YouTuben video of Der F und das electric wagen.   I say, hilarious, more funny than Churchill on one of his many drunken naked rants and dubious military building suggestions.</p>
<p>Interesting about the Das Volt and Volkswagen and how elements of the two are converging in some ways.  However, current history is curious as the US Government via the slight of hand &#8220;bailout&#8221; and nebulous CEO&#8217;s now pretty much owns GM.  At least DER ONE  (eine)  has not tried to name the Volt, yet.</p>
<p>per Buick and China  Dan Petit  #94  I am convinced that the so called &#8220;global economy&#8221; is a scam on a damning global scale that undermines the people of this nation and other advanced nation states.  Adam Smith in, The Wealth of Nations, a ponderous book indeed, would find such juggling of manufacture as a clever but devious method for some few to make a great deal of money at the LONG term expense of the People and ultimately the sovereignty of said State.  Globalists rub their unctuous hands every day.</p>
<p>Cheers!&#8212;&#8211;Higgins   Go chase some oily Globalist my goode Boys!</p>
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		<title>By: Enter the Rumormill: upcoming Buick CUV may get 2-Mode hybrid powertrain &#187; Hybrid News</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2009/06/15/breaking-new-buick-cuv-to-get-2-mode-plug-in-hybrid-drivetrain/#comment-119312</link>
		<dc:creator>Enter the Rumormill: upcoming Buick CUV may get 2-Mode hybrid powertrain &#187; Hybrid News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] from a seeming&amp;#108y un&amp;#108ike&amp;#108y sour&amp;#99e. A&amp;#99&amp;#99ording &amp;#116o a pos&amp;#116ing on GM-V&amp;#111lt.&amp;#99&amp;#111m, &amp;#116here&#8217;s a possi&amp;#98ili&amp;#116y &amp;#116ha&amp;#116 a&amp;#110 upcomi&amp;#110g CUV &amp;#102rom Buick could [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Enter the Rumormill: upcoming Buick CUV may get 2-Mode hybrid powertrain &#124; Only Hybrids</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2009/06/15/breaking-new-buick-cuv-to-get-2-mode-plug-in-hybrid-drivetrain/#comment-119304</link>
		<dc:creator>Enter the Rumormill: upcoming Buick CUV may get 2-Mode hybrid powertrain &#124; Only Hybrids</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a ray of hope may be on the horizon from a seemingly unlikely source. According to a posting on GM-Volt.com, there&#8217;s a possibility that an upcoming CUV from Buick could be granted access to the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: BillR</title>
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		<dc:creator>BillR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s how I see GM&#039;s strategy in this segment.

For the lower budget buyer, the 2010 Equinox in FWD gets 22/32 city/hwy.  This has the 2.4L DI engine.

For another $2 - 4K, add the new BAS+ with Li-Ion battery pack and get an estimated 27/34.  

For more money, the proposed 2-mode Buick would come into play.  The Saturn Vue 2-mode was designed with a ~255 hp 3.6L V6.  It would have been rated 27/30.  

http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2009/06/saturn-vue-twomode-hybrid-rated-at-28-mpg.html

I expect the new Buick would upgrade to a Li-Ion battery pack, have improved aero, and use the 2.4L DI engine like the Equinox.  Although only about 190 hp, with the 60 kW added from the 2-mode, this equates to 270 hp available.  A nominal 5 kWh battery with 3 kWh useable might be used.  This would yield an approximate 10 mile electric range (although this would likely be a blended operation, not 10 miles AER).  

Without plug-in, this car might be rated something like 36/36.  With electricity providing about 3000 of the 15,000 miles per year, the equivalent mileage would be about 45 mpg.  This new Buick might sell for ~$40,000.

In the future, this could become an Voltec driven vehicle.  It might have a drive at the front and rear wheels, yielding AWD and 225 kW (300 hp).  But due to the fact that it requires more power than the Volt, I would expect them to wait until the 2nd generation of batteries are available.  

I would expect to see this Voltec Buick get an EPA sticker close to 100 mpg, and cost ~$50k.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s how I see GM&#8217;s strategy in this segment.</p>
<p>For the lower budget buyer, the 2010 Equinox in FWD gets 22/32 city/hwy.  This has the 2.4L DI engine.</p>
<p>For another $2 &#8211; 4K, add the new BAS+ with Li-Ion battery pack and get an estimated 27/34.  </p>
<p>For more money, the proposed 2-mode Buick would come into play.  The Saturn Vue 2-mode was designed with a ~255 hp 3.6L V6.  It would have been rated 27/30.  </p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2009/06/saturn-vue-twomode-hybrid-rated-at-28-mpg.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2009/06/saturn-vue-twomode-hybrid-rated-at-28-mpg.html</a></p>
<p>I expect the new Buick would upgrade to a Li-Ion battery pack, have improved aero, and use the 2.4L DI engine like the Equinox.  Although only about 190 hp, with the 60 kW added from the 2-mode, this equates to 270 hp available.  A nominal 5 kWh battery with 3 kWh useable might be used.  This would yield an approximate 10 mile electric range (although this would likely be a blended operation, not 10 miles AER).  </p>
<p>Without plug-in, this car might be rated something like 36/36.  With electricity providing about 3000 of the 15,000 miles per year, the equivalent mileage would be about 45 mpg.  This new Buick might sell for ~$40,000.</p>
<p>In the future, this could become an Voltec driven vehicle.  It might have a drive at the front and rear wheels, yielding AWD and 225 kW (300 hp).  But due to the fact that it requires more power than the Volt, I would expect them to wait until the 2nd generation of batteries are available.  </p>
<p>I would expect to see this Voltec Buick get an EPA sticker close to 100 mpg, and cost ~$50k.</p>
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		<title>By: REPORT: New Buick CUV To Get Two-Mode Plug-in Hybrid Drivetrain [Over The Back Fence] &#124; Car Advisory</title>
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		<dc:creator>REPORT: New Buick CUV To Get Two-Mode Plug-in Hybrid Drivetrain [Over The Back Fence] &#124; Car Advisory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lyle Dennis over at GM-Volt.com claims the new unnamed small Buick CUV leaked by CBS News shares the same platform as the Saturn VUE and will likely get the same two-mode hybrid drivetrain. So yes, that&#8217;s a Saturn. [GM-Volt] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Lyle Dennis over at GM-Volt.com claims the new unnamed small Buick CUV leaked by CBS News shares the same platform as the Saturn VUE and will likely get the same two-mode hybrid drivetrain. So yes, that&#8217;s a Saturn. [GM-Volt] [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jeffhre</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 04:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#92 DonC ...I don’t think it’s a mileage comparison issue. I think people want to be identified as driving a green vehicle
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Perhaps you&#039;re right about the mileage comparison issue not being a big deal for everyone not looking for a strictly &quot;green&quot; vehicle. IMHO buying any hybrid can however, be an overall comparison issue for many folks. If buyers don&#039;t see a big difference in mileage, or features, or interiors finishes or something, and they do see a big difference in price it&#039;s likely a deal killer, right. 

If you are comparing the value of cars and look at the Prius and decide it&#039;s a pretty good $22K car with great milege then you could compare it to other great mileage cars or other $22k cars and decide it&#039;s competitive. But if there was a car called a Prius with a more standard drivetrain you might say, hold on a minute, thousands more dollars and the only differance is a few more miles per gallon? Then the value question starts flashing in bright red neon. You might ask, if I was going to pay thousands more for another option, would that option be a few more miles per gallon? Does paying for this drivetrain really seem worth it over a choice of buying a vehicle in a higher class for the same money.

Without having a base model, standard drivetrain car to compare the Prius to, it takes some of that value risk (rip-off remorse potential) away from the car comparisons.

#94 Dan Petit

...Too many unnecessary worries about “over there” seem to be apparent from a talk-radio perspective. In this Global economy, it may work out that lots of sales of Buicks “over there” are actually a benefit to us “over here”.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#92 DonC &#8230;I don’t think it’s a mileage comparison issue. I think people want to be identified as driving a green vehicle<br />
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Perhaps you&#8217;re right about the mileage comparison issue not being a big deal for everyone not looking for a strictly &#8220;green&#8221; vehicle. IMHO buying any hybrid can however, be an overall comparison issue for many folks. If buyers don&#8217;t see a big difference in mileage, or features, or interiors finishes or something, and they do see a big difference in price it&#8217;s likely a deal killer, right. </p>
<p>If you are comparing the value of cars and look at the Prius and decide it&#8217;s a pretty good $22K car with great milege then you could compare it to other great mileage cars or other $22k cars and decide it&#8217;s competitive. But if there was a car called a Prius with a more standard drivetrain you might say, hold on a minute, thousands more dollars and the only differance is a few more miles per gallon? Then the value question starts flashing in bright red neon. You might ask, if I was going to pay thousands more for another option, would that option be a few more miles per gallon? Does paying for this drivetrain really seem worth it over a choice of buying a vehicle in a higher class for the same money.</p>
<p>Without having a base model, standard drivetrain car to compare the Prius to, it takes some of that value risk (rip-off remorse potential) away from the car comparisons.</p>
<p>#94 Dan Petit</p>
<p>&#8230;Too many unnecessary worries about “over there” seem to be apparent from a talk-radio perspective. In this Global economy, it may work out that lots of sales of Buicks “over there” are actually a benefit to us “over here”.<br />
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		<title>By: kdawg</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 04:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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