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	<title>Comments on: LG Chem Breaks Ground on New Lithium-ion Battery Plant in Korea, Eventually Plans to Build One in US</title>
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		<title>By: Sudesh Satnarain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sudesh Satnarain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.
I would like assistance in regards to setting up an assembly plant in South Africa for Lithium batteries that will be utilised by the new generation electric cars.
My contact details are as follows :
Sudesh Satnarain
satnars@telkom.co.za
031 363 1585
083 324 1585</description>
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I would like assistance in regards to setting up an assembly plant in South Africa for Lithium batteries that will be utilised by the new generation electric cars.<br />
My contact details are as follows :<br />
Sudesh Satnarain<br />
<a href="mailto:satnars@telkom.co.za">satnars@telkom.co.za</a><br />
031 363 1585<br />
083 324 1585</p>
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		<title>By: Sudesh Satnarain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sudesh Satnarain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi .
I would like assistance in regards to setting up an assembly plant in South Africa for Lithium batteries that will be utilised by the new generation electric cars.
My contact details are as follows :
Sudesh Satnarain
satnars@telkom.co.za
031 363 1585
083 324 1585</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi .<br />
I would like assistance in regards to setting up an assembly plant in South Africa for Lithium batteries that will be utilised by the new generation electric cars.<br />
My contact details are as follows :<br />
Sudesh Satnarain<br />
<a href="mailto:satnars@telkom.co.za">satnars@telkom.co.za</a><br />
031 363 1585<br />
083 324 1585</p>
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		<title>By: GM Opens Largest, Most Advanced Automotive Battery Lab In The U.S. 06/08/09 * - Page 3 - GM Inside News Forum</title>
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		<dc:creator>GM Opens Largest, Most Advanced Automotive Battery Lab In The U.S. 06/08/09 * - Page 3 - GM Inside News Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 04:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 06/08/09     According to gm-volt.com website they are using LG Chemical&#039;s batteries and cells.   http://gm-volt.com/2009/06/10/lg-che...ild-one-in-us/   [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 06/08/09     According to gm-volt.com website they are using LG Chemical&#8217;s batteries and cells.   <a href="http://gm-volt.com/2009/06/10/lg-che...ild-one-in-us/" rel="nofollow">http://gm-volt.com/2009/06/10/lg-che&#8230;ild-one-in-us/</a>   [...]</p>
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		<title>By: EVO</title>
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		<dc:creator>EVO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suggest we stop using gen and start using v., the ubiquitous electronics sales convention, such as Volt v.1 Hitachi v.3, Volt v.1 LG v.1, and Volt v.2. Hitachi v.4., etc.

Has this topic already been beaten to death on this site and I&#039;m late to the game?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suggest we stop using gen and start using v., the ubiquitous electronics sales convention, such as Volt v.1 Hitachi v.3, Volt v.1 LG v.1, and Volt v.2. Hitachi v.4., etc.</p>
<p>Has this topic already been beaten to death on this site and I&#8217;m late to the game?</p>
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		<title>By: EVO</title>
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		<dc:creator>EVO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://rumors.automobilemag.com/6553289/green/hitachi-builds-fourth-generation-lithium-ion-battery/index.html

So, LG provides 9.9% and Hitachi gen 3 provides 90.9% of gen 1 Voltec power pack cells, for total of 110,000 gen 1 power packs with gen 2 using Hitachi gen 4?

hmmm, methinks that we&#039;ll be seeing some more Voltec product line announcements this next year from GM (if it can rinse through BK as rapidly as that other company did), so that we have a nice domestic mainstream electric drive product mix to join the forthcoming uber-cute Mitsubishi I Meows and uber-utility Subaru Stellars and Porsche Design/Engineer Codas on the road.  

I think that vehicle makers finally get that plug and play power pack performance/price upgrades are the way to go. Welcome to the electronic app store world for vehicles, y&#039;all, like Apple or Verizon. Show the way, AT&amp;T (er, I mean GM).

Then again, the url does say rumor, so I&#039;ll believe something when I drive it, park it in my garage, and see the registration with my name on it, like I do with my current high performance electric motorcycle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://rumors.automobilemag.com/6553289/green/hitachi-builds-fourth-generation-lithium-ion-battery/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://rumors.automobilemag.com/6553289/green/hitachi-builds-fourth-generation-lithium-ion-battery/index.html</a></p>
<p>So, LG provides 9.9% and Hitachi gen 3 provides 90.9% of gen 1 Voltec power pack cells, for total of 110,000 gen 1 power packs with gen 2 using Hitachi gen 4?</p>
<p>hmmm, methinks that we&#8217;ll be seeing some more Voltec product line announcements this next year from GM (if it can rinse through BK as rapidly as that other company did), so that we have a nice domestic mainstream electric drive product mix to join the forthcoming uber-cute Mitsubishi I Meows and uber-utility Subaru Stellars and Porsche Design/Engineer Codas on the road.  </p>
<p>I think that vehicle makers finally get that plug and play power pack performance/price upgrades are the way to go. Welcome to the electronic app store world for vehicles, y&#8217;all, like Apple or Verizon. Show the way, AT&amp;T (er, I mean GM).</p>
<p>Then again, the url does say rumor, so I&#8217;ll believe something when I drive it, park it in my garage, and see the registration with my name on it, like I do with my current high performance electric motorcycle.</p>
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		<title>By: HyperMiler</title>
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		<dc:creator>HyperMiler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#110 Keith Says:

&gt; You can get a five passenger lithium powered car made in China  that has a 500 km driving range on a single charge for less than $18000.

Where?

&gt; Same size , same power , same quality . 

What same quality?

&gt; Whats going on anyway .

There are few places in the world that can produce Li-Ion cells that last more than 10 years. China isn&#039;t one of those places, and surprisingly, nor is Japan(i-MIEV has a battery life of 5 years).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#110 Keith Says:</p>
<p>&gt; You can get a five passenger lithium powered car made in China  that has a 500 km driving range on a single charge for less than $18000.</p>
<p>Where?</p>
<p>&gt; Same size , same power , same quality . </p>
<p>What same quality?</p>
<p>&gt; Whats going on anyway .</p>
<p>There are few places in the world that can produce Li-Ion cells that last more than 10 years. China isn&#8217;t one of those places, and surprisingly, nor is Japan(i-MIEV has a battery life of 5 years).</p>
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		<title>By: Herm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#110 Keith Says: 
Some how or other we are not getting the straight goods on the “true” cost of these cells .
It costs about the same to make these cells in Korea as it does to make them in China .
........................................
Korean lithium cells have a far better reputation of quality than Chinese cells, also there is a warranty issue adding to the cost, IMO. I have bought chinese lithium cells in the past and lets say I dont buy the cheapest cells anymore.

We know that LG is selling cells to GM at $500 per kwh, and that GM derates these cells 50%.. there are Chinese manufacturers that will sell LiFe cells at around $300 .. but you also need a more those of those cells since they have a lower voltage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#110 Keith Says:<br />
Some how or other we are not getting the straight goods on the “true” cost of these cells .<br />
It costs about the same to make these cells in Korea as it does to make them in China .<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
Korean lithium cells have a far better reputation of quality than Chinese cells, also there is a warranty issue adding to the cost, IMO. I have bought chinese lithium cells in the past and lets say I dont buy the cheapest cells anymore.</p>
<p>We know that LG is selling cells to GM at $500 per kwh, and that GM derates these cells 50%.. there are Chinese manufacturers that will sell LiFe cells at around $300 .. but you also need a more those of those cells since they have a lower voltage.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 05:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some how or other we are not getting the straight goods on the &quot;true&quot; cost of these cells .
It costs about the same to make these cells in Korea as it does to make them in China .
Why the big mark up in price , how many thousand cells are being shipped in a container which only costs $1000. to ship to its destination in USA ?
The actual dollar value and the perceived dollar value are far apart .
Why is the consumer being ripped off for so much perceived dollar value ? 
You can get a five passenger lithium powered car made in China ( which is just a stones throw away from Korea ) that has a 500 km driving range on a single charge for less than $18000.
Same size , same power , same quality . Whats going on anyway .
This needs to be looked into very seriously .
Don&#039;t give me this BS about Chinese quality , you cant make battery cells this sophisticated in a back yard factory .
We are becoming a society that is too complacent and willing to accept everything we read . Show me the real thing so I can touch it and feel it so I know that it is real , otherwise it is all imagination , smoke and mirrors .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some how or other we are not getting the straight goods on the &#8220;true&#8221; cost of these cells .<br />
It costs about the same to make these cells in Korea as it does to make them in China .<br />
Why the big mark up in price , how many thousand cells are being shipped in a container which only costs $1000. to ship to its destination in USA ?<br />
The actual dollar value and the perceived dollar value are far apart .<br />
Why is the consumer being ripped off for so much perceived dollar value ?<br />
You can get a five passenger lithium powered car made in China ( which is just a stones throw away from Korea ) that has a 500 km driving range on a single charge for less than $18000.<br />
Same size , same power , same quality . Whats going on anyway .<br />
This needs to be looked into very seriously .<br />
Don&#8217;t give me this BS about Chinese quality , you cant make battery cells this sophisticated in a back yard factory .<br />
We are becoming a society that is too complacent and willing to accept everything we read . Show me the real thing so I can touch it and feel it so I know that it is real , otherwise it is all imagination , smoke and mirrors .</p>
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		<title>By: LauraM</title>
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		<dc:creator>LauraM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 05:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#87 CS Guy 

Actually, the best solution would be to produce the converj first.  That way anyone who wanted Voltec would have to pay Cadillac prices.  At least for the first few months.  However, since that&#039;s no longer an option, GM should still green light the converj, and produce it as soon after the Volt as they possibly can.  Anyone interested in a luxury car would pick the converj over the Volt.  It&#039;s gorgeous. 

#102 jeffhre

I agree that developing nation&#039;s are better off in the long run if they restrict the inflow of foreign goods to help their native industries.  Japan is certainly a success story.  The problem is that when multiple governments subsidize their industries, the world is flooded with excess supply, and no one can compete without government aid.  And that&#039;s in no one&#039;s best interests.  

Also, unbalanced trade agreements are bleeding the US dry.  The $700 billion per year trade deficit happened for a reason.  Yes, I want the US to help out poorer nations.  But I&#039;m not willing to get into debt to them to make them better off.  And poorer nations have a huge built in advantage in cheap labor costs.  

But cutting off trade with developing countries is not the answer. Trade is an important engine for economic growth and innovation.  Without trade, everyone is worse off.  Besides, at this point, the world economy is so intertwined that if everyone threw up walls--the supply train interruptions alone would cause immense economic devastation.  

The point is to strike a balance and come to trade agreements that make both parties better off.  Unlike our current trade agreements with China, Japan, and South Korea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#87 CS Guy </p>
<p>Actually, the best solution would be to produce the converj first.  That way anyone who wanted Voltec would have to pay Cadillac prices.  At least for the first few months.  However, since that&#8217;s no longer an option, GM should still green light the converj, and produce it as soon after the Volt as they possibly can.  Anyone interested in a luxury car would pick the converj over the Volt.  It&#8217;s gorgeous. </p>
<p>#102 jeffhre</p>
<p>I agree that developing nation&#8217;s are better off in the long run if they restrict the inflow of foreign goods to help their native industries.  Japan is certainly a success story.  The problem is that when multiple governments subsidize their industries, the world is flooded with excess supply, and no one can compete without government aid.  And that&#8217;s in no one&#8217;s best interests.  </p>
<p>Also, unbalanced trade agreements are bleeding the US dry.  The $700 billion per year trade deficit happened for a reason.  Yes, I want the US to help out poorer nations.  But I&#8217;m not willing to get into debt to them to make them better off.  And poorer nations have a huge built in advantage in cheap labor costs.  </p>
<p>But cutting off trade with developing countries is not the answer. Trade is an important engine for economic growth and innovation.  Without trade, everyone is worse off.  Besides, at this point, the world economy is so intertwined that if everyone threw up walls&#8211;the supply train interruptions alone would cause immense economic devastation.  </p>
<p>The point is to strike a balance and come to trade agreements that make both parties better off.  Unlike our current trade agreements with China, Japan, and South Korea.</p>
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		<title>By: CDAVIS</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 04:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>______________________________________________________
The price of oil burst through the $71 a barrel mark today [Wed Jun 10th]…
Predictions of $250 a barrel:

Source:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jun/10/oil-market-reserves

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The price of oil burst through the $71 a barrel mark today [Wed Jun 10th]…<br />
Predictions of $250 a barrel:</p>
<p>Source:<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jun/10/oil-market-reserves" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jun/10/oil-market-reserves</a></p>
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