How many times a year is that? Really?

http://www.bluecar.fr/en/pages-accueil/default.aspx

http://www.energyharvestingjournal.com/articles/bluecar-uses-electrodynamic-photovoltaic-harvesting-00001463.asp?sessionid=1
http://www.lefigaro.fr/automobile/2009/05/15/03001-20090515ARTFIG00314-voitures-electriques-le-contre-la-montre-des-constructeurs-.php
http://www.europe1.fr/Info/Actualite-France/Economie/Voitures-electriques-les-projets-qui-vont-sortir-des-cartons/(gid)/222805

Apparently, you missed all the Volt reviews that consistently noted:
1. Superior off the line launches, for muscle V6 feel.
2. Smooth, seamless acceleration that luxury vehicle makers and drivers lust for, superior to any full gasser.
3. Unmuffled quiet operation that luxury vehicle makers and drivers lust for, superior to any full gasser.

Those are all fundamental, intrinsic characteristics of electric drive.

It appears that vehicle manufacturers have massive amounts of public education and marketing to do on electric drive, still.

“With the Volt GM is taking a path that tries to make electric just the same as ICE, looks the same, drives the same, no difference.”

I have to call BS on that. I dont have the time to go back on every negative thing you’ve said, but so far (from the data we’ve been given) the Volt schedule is on track and hitting the #’s. I’m pretty sure you negated every announcement of every target date/goal. What if the IVers are completed and they are test driving them in July? What if the Volt does hit showrooms in Nov 2010? What if it gets 40 miles AER? Will you smack yourself in the forehead and say.. oops? Nope, there will just be silence, until the next target is set that you will attempt to tear apart, for what reasons I dont know. When it comes to financials, i believe that is your forte, more power to you, but constant GM bashing becomes a broken record.
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To call BS, you actually have to back it up. Like me or not, ‘anti-GM’ or not, I always back up my quotes with historical links and sources.

As for the IVers being on schedule, I have never once questioned whether they could get one done by July 1st…so I don’t call BS on everything GM says, lol. Two months to prep to hand assemble a production-alike and 5 weeks to build it seems reasonable to me. Here is the thread if you want to look for me saying they won’t make it (I assure you it is not there):
http://gm-volt.com/2009/05/27/assembly-of-the-first-true-chevy-volt-integration-vehicles-begins-today/

As for, ” I dont have the time to go back on every negative thing you’ve said, but so far (from the data we’ve been given) the Volt schedule is on track and hitting the #’s,” if have had the time to accuse me, you should also find some examples of me predicting targets or goals GM wasn’t going to hit on the Volt…that they did. I’ve got 3,600+ posts…shouldn’t be that hard to find, if I am like you say I am. I honesty can’t remember even one.

As for being wrong, and then not coping to it. That isn’t me either, if I don’t understand something and I interpret it wrong, or come to a wrong conclusion about something and someone points it out, I always own it.

Besides, if the Volt is in production and in showrooms in November 2010 (well, if GM is delivering Volts to customers in Nov ‘10, I don’t expect to see a Volts lying around dealerships, lol), there will be many a poster wanting to dance on my grave…I promise you, my friend I will be here to take every hit willingly, I certainly have it coming if they make it.

Same goes for the 40 mile AER (which for the record, I said it will not make under normal driving conditions…like what is expected here of the iMiev, a city/highway/normal use blend. I think, like the i-MiEV, in a vacuum, under perfect conditions it can hit 40). I think I already get this one though, because GM has been adding the word ‘city’ when they talk about it the last couple months.

…anywhoo, I think it is probably just us left back here, so I will catch you around (or here, if you really want to)

I have to call BS on that. I dont have the time to go back on every negative thing you’ve said, but so far (from the data we’ve been given) the Volt schedule is on track and hitting the #’s. I’m pretty sure you negated every announcement of every target date/goal. What if the IVers are completed and they are test driving them in July? What if the Volt does hit showrooms in Nov 2010? What if it gets 40 miles AER? Will you smack yourself in the forehead and say.. oops? Nope, there will just be silence, until the next target is set that you will attempt to tear apart, for what reasons I dont know. When it comes to financials, i believe that is your forte, more power to you, but constant GM bashing becomes a broken record.

“I think you are anti-GM. Any announcement that GM makes and you tear it apart. Mitsubishi makes an announcement and you treat it like it’s God’s word.”
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Your free to think anything you like, doesn’t bother me…I think whatever I like too, lol.

Of course, I think 6 new GM products I’ve bought in the last decade, the Pontiac G6 in my driveway now…and the fact I’m going to beat up my local salesman TOMORROW to buy a Cadillac SRX to pull the trailor I just bought my wife proves otherwise. I live in a GM town (well close) and I have always owned at least one GM product.

I also think GM, is a terribly run company, both financially and ‘on the ground’….and I’ve have been around GM intimately the last 15 years or so, I’ve seen so many non-follow throughs, half-truths and missed deadlines on regular projects, it is mind boggling.

The two do not have to be mutually exclusive.

So yes, when something smells fishy, or too fantastic, or seems unlikely compared to what everyone else in the industry is saying or doing…I don’t believe them, especially on such a ambitious program as the volt…and so far, that has been the right call the past 2.5 years.

I realize that having me come here and be negative can be a bummer if you are looking for the silver lining and/or hoping for the best. However, if what I am saying continually ends up being ture, that is not ‘anti-GM,’ that is just being accurate.

Sidenote:
I like the i-MiEV, no question-no secret, and although I have never owned a Mitsu in my life, and have never cared for any of their product in the past…I always thought what they said they were going to do with a EV program was reasonable, and the progressional steps they took, and the tangible progress along the way seemed to back that up over the past couple years.

So today (well a couple days ago), they (Mitsu) took the final step, actually firing up the line and producing electric vehicles. They also did so AHEAD of their original schedule, producing their OWN batteries, with much HIGHER (and still ramping) production levels than they targeted, with a car that is practically IDENTICAL to the concept.

To me, Mitsu is the ‘God’ of making EVs. They say it…and do it. Thats all I ask.

You said you did not want a warranty on the Volts battery pack because you would be paying for a 2nd battery.
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Yes, that is also true, because in that situation there was major compensation attached to no warranty, which was greater than the warranty itself….I didn’t just say I wanted the Volt warranty free.

At the time, we were talking about GM saying they were costing in a full second pack into the MSRP (as per Lutz). My response was, I would gladly wave all warranty ON THE PACK, if they reduce the MSRP by the price of that extra pack (about $8,000 we estimated). I still want the ’standard’ car warranty on all the other things you normally expect.

/big difference between saying a 3/36 warranty is ok after paying $25,000 to have a battery install in a car you already own, and what we/I was discussing in that thread

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I think you are anti-GM. Any announcement that GM makes and you tear it apart. Mitsubishi makes an announcement and you treat it like it’s God’s word.

@ 119 statik

3 year 36K is good. Weren’t you the one who said you didnt want any warranty, and would rather buy a new battery if needed?

from the site
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No, I said I wanted just a standard industry warranty akin to ICE products, and to be able to have it serviced inside whatever the vehicles electric range was (and 4 seats). The 3/36 is too light from a 3rd party group..especially when GM doesn’t honor your OEM warranty anymore…but the 10/150 is way too intrusive, puts such a big premium on EVs sold in the US.

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You said you did not want a warranty on the Volts battery pack because you would be paying for a 2nd battery.

They’re building 5,000 of these in 2010. GM is building 10,000 in 2010, right?

This thing goes for $47,000. Volt goes for under $40,000.

Volt gets 40 miles but can be extended to 300 or so on a tank. This gets 90 miles and a 14 hr re-charge.

Volt is a nice looking car…this thing is fugly.

I’ll take a Volt please!!!