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	<title>Comments on: GM, Magna, Opel, and Voltec: a Tangled Web is Woven</title>
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		<title>By: Lev</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2009/06/03/gm-magna-opel-and-voltec-a-tangled-web-is-woven/#comment-117363</link>
		<dc:creator>Lev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>statik

The Canadians have one more thing to say, to the tune of Rush in the background - - Greetings Gentlemen, you are on way to destruction, make time to survive.</description>
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<p>The Canadians have one more thing to say, to the tune of Rush in the background &#8211; - Greetings Gentlemen, you are on way to destruction, make time to survive.</p>
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		<title>By: jonboinAr</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonboinAr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 00:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never been a big fan of essence of bergemot. It&#039;s alright, just not a big fan.</description>
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		<title>By: jonboinAr</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonboinAr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 00:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about i nice Moosehead, eh?
That Canuck gal on &quot;The Bachelor&quot;  is certainly fetching. Great personality, too.</description>
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That Canuck gal on &#8220;The Bachelor&#8221;  is certainly fetching. Great personality, too.</p>
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		<title>By: ThombDbhomb</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThombDbhomb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 00:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#146 CDAVIS

That is one way to spin it. 

Given that dealerships must close, I suppose dealers can&#039;t decide amongst themselves who should close. So, dealers are appealing to their elected officials (i.e., government) for help. Then government gets blamed for &quot;control[ling] which dealerships should be closed.&quot;

It &#039;s so simple; always blame government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#146 CDAVIS</p>
<p>That is one way to spin it. </p>
<p>Given that dealerships must close, I suppose dealers can&#8217;t decide amongst themselves who should close. So, dealers are appealing to their elected officials (i.e., government) for help. Then government gets blamed for &#8220;control[ling] which dealerships should be closed.&#8221;</p>
<p>It &#8217;s so simple; always blame government.</p>
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		<title>By: ThombDbhomb</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2009/06/03/gm-magna-opel-and-voltec-a-tangled-web-is-woven/#comment-116985</link>
		<dc:creator>ThombDbhomb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 00:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#144 With Love From Russia 


So, Fox News is reporting that closing dealerships is a sensitive matter. 

I guess we should all go into survivalist mode.</description>
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<p>So, Fox News is reporting that closing dealerships is a sensitive matter. </p>
<p>I guess we should all go into survivalist mode.</p>
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		<title>By: CDAVIS</title>
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		<dc:creator>CDAVIS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 23:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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#144 With Love From Russia Said:
U.S. Lawmakers Fight Closing of Nearly 2,000 Car Dealerships:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/03/lawmakers-fight-closing-nearly-car-dealerships/

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Wow...it is amazing that the US Gov now wants to control which dealerships should be closed.
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#144 With Love From Russia Said:<br />
U.S. Lawmakers Fight Closing of Nearly 2,000 Car Dealerships:<br />
<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/03/lawmakers-fight-closing-nearly-car-dealerships/" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/03/lawmakers-fight-closing-nearly-car-dealerships/</a></p>
<p> &#8212;&#8211;<br />
Wow&#8230;it is amazing that the US Gov now wants to control which dealerships should be closed.<br />
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		<title>By: Dan Petit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Petit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 23:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#132  

 I think Kent is onto one of the possibilities with a second pack up front.
Possibly an option.  That  A123 pack made by Hymotion for the Prius might be a really great thing to ICE-substitute for Cap&#039;n Jack, especially if Hymotion offers something like that to GM as BEV option instead of a range extender.  
 Getting the weight down by, my guess, by about 600 pounds and adding back the 180 pounds for the second pack from A123 would have your Volt at about 2900 pounds,  and go  about 80 miles.
Very respectable if the pack would be backed with a warranty the same as if the EREV were still there &quot;on guard&quot; to protect from over-draining the packs. 
 But most folks might want to have a second old vehicle as a backup. One that is a gas hog would be a good thing for that to be re-purposed for less than 50 miles a month or so.

#63,    The Voltec past developmental costs are already paid, and, the future costs are also completely payable as if no reorganization ever happened as well.   No part of its development had not been funded, (although with Federal funding).  However, those results being partly shared to all publicly, it seems to me,  has been the fire lit under the other OEM&#039;s that the public is completely committed to Voltec EREV propulsion type systems.  That in itself has been worth the investments, it seems to me, to spur green electric motoring.
(EESTOR  is at least 7 years away as of right now IMTO).

(I h8 unsweet tea. Gimme lotsa  that yellow-pack stuff)
Dan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#132  </p>
<p> I think Kent is onto one of the possibilities with a second pack up front.<br />
Possibly an option.  That  A123 pack made by Hymotion for the Prius might be a really great thing to ICE-substitute for Cap&#8217;n Jack, especially if Hymotion offers something like that to GM as BEV option instead of a range extender.<br />
 Getting the weight down by, my guess, by about 600 pounds and adding back the 180 pounds for the second pack from A123 would have your Volt at about 2900 pounds,  and go  about 80 miles.<br />
Very respectable if the pack would be backed with a warranty the same as if the EREV were still there &#8220;on guard&#8221; to protect from over-draining the packs.<br />
 But most folks might want to have a second old vehicle as a backup. One that is a gas hog would be a good thing for that to be re-purposed for less than 50 miles a month or so.</p>
<p>#63,    The Voltec past developmental costs are already paid, and, the future costs are also completely payable as if no reorganization ever happened as well.   No part of its development had not been funded, (although with Federal funding).  However, those results being partly shared to all publicly, it seems to me,  has been the fire lit under the other OEM&#8217;s that the public is completely committed to Voltec EREV propulsion type systems.  That in itself has been worth the investments, it seems to me, to spur green electric motoring.<br />
(EESTOR  is at least 7 years away as of right now IMTO).</p>
<p>(I h8 unsweet tea. Gimme lotsa  that yellow-pack stuff)<br />
Dan.</p>
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		<title>By: With Love From Russia</title>
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		<dc:creator>With Love From Russia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 23:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that the American Government has taken ownership of GM, the government wants to determine how many GM dealerships and other non-GM dealerships are allowed to close:

 U.S. Lawmakers Fight Closing of Nearly 2,000 Car Dealerships:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/03/lawmakers-fight-closing-nearly-car-dealerships/

“It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American decent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed…Barack Obama&#039;s command that GM&#039;s (General Motor) president step down from leadership of his company. That is correct, dear reader, in the land of &quot;pure&quot; free markets, the American president now has the power, the self given power, to fire CEOs and we can assume other employees of private companies, at will. Come hither, go dither, the centurion commands his minions….
So it should be no surprise, that the American president has followed this up with a &quot;bold&quot; move of declaring that he and another group of unelected, chosen stooges will now redesign the entire automotive industry and will even be the guarantee of automobile policies…”
Source PRAVDA:
Page 1: http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/107459-0/
Page 2: http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/107459-1/

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Does anyone else find it surreal that the free Russian Press is opining “the American decent into Marxism”?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that the American Government has taken ownership of GM, the government wants to determine how many GM dealerships and other non-GM dealerships are allowed to close:</p>
<p> U.S. Lawmakers Fight Closing of Nearly 2,000 Car Dealerships:<br />
<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/03/lawmakers-fight-closing-nearly-car-dealerships/" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/03/lawmakers-fight-closing-nearly-car-dealerships/</a></p>
<p>“It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American decent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed…Barack Obama&#8217;s command that GM&#8217;s (General Motor) president step down from leadership of his company. That is correct, dear reader, in the land of &#8220;pure&#8221; free markets, the American president now has the power, the self given power, to fire CEOs and we can assume other employees of private companies, at will. Come hither, go dither, the centurion commands his minions….<br />
So it should be no surprise, that the American president has followed this up with a &#8220;bold&#8221; move of declaring that he and another group of unelected, chosen stooges will now redesign the entire automotive industry and will even be the guarantee of automobile policies…”<br />
Source PRAVDA:<br />
Page 1: <a href="http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/107459-0/" rel="nofollow">http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/107459-0/</a><br />
Page 2: <a href="http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/107459-1/" rel="nofollow">http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/107459-1/</a></p>
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<p>Does anyone else find it surreal that the free Russian Press is opining “the American decent into Marxism”?</p>
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		<title>By: BillR</title>
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		<dc:creator>BillR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 23:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, looks like Toymota is admitting that their plug-ins don&#039;t do much better than 50 to 55 mpg.

http://industry.bnet.com/auto/10001607/toyotas-problem-with-plug-in-hybrids/

Sorry to burst your bubble #129, Joke&#039;sonYou.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, looks like Toymota is admitting that their plug-ins don&#8217;t do much better than 50 to 55 mpg.</p>
<p><a href="http://industry.bnet.com/auto/10001607/toyotas-problem-with-plug-in-hybrids/" rel="nofollow">http://industry.bnet.com/auto/10001607/toyotas-problem-with-plug-in-hybrids/</a></p>
<p>Sorry to burst your bubble #129, Joke&#8217;sonYou.</p>
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		<title>By: CDAVIS</title>
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		<dc:creator>CDAVIS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 23:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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#132 kent beuchert Said:
&quot;The fact that there are now three battery technologies that hold real promise of allowing battery-only electrics to be the preferred design (Firefly, EEStor, A123 Systems)...&quot;
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Is EEStor a battery technology? Is Fantastic Cheese a technology if no one has ever seen or tasted Fantastic Cheese? 
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#132 kent beuchert Said:<br />
&#8220;The fact that there are now three battery technologies that hold real promise of allowing battery-only electrics to be the preferred design (Firefly, EEStor, A123 Systems)&#8230;&#8221;<br />
 &#8212;-</p>
<p>Is EEStor a battery technology? Is Fantastic Cheese a technology if no one has ever seen or tasted Fantastic Cheese?<br />
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