Comments on: Toyota Reportedly Planning to Give its Hybrid Technology to GM http://gm-volt.com/2009/05/25/toyota-reportedly-planning-to-give-its-hybrid-technology-to-gm/ Real-time news, information, and discussion about the Chevrolet Volt. Sat, 26 May 2012 02:09:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Obama Releases $2.4B for EVs, GM Is Big Winner « Christopher A. Haase http://gm-volt.com/2009/05/25/toyota-reportedly-planning-to-give-its-hybrid-technology-to-gm/#comment-134008 Obama Releases $2.4B for EVs, GM Is Big Winner « Christopher A. Haase Fri, 07 Aug 2009 12:59:06 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1678#comment-134008 [...] bailout for more bad ideas and engineering. Hey GM, look a Nissan for model hints not the old tech you got from Toyota The Wall Street Journal reports, General Motors was the biggest winner (of 48 winners) of the [...] [...] bailout for more bad ideas and engineering. Hey GM, look a Nissan for model hints not the old tech you got from Toyota The Wall Street Journal reports, General Motors was the biggest winner (of 48 winners) of the [...]

]]> By: Rich Wagoner http://gm-volt.com/2009/05/25/toyota-reportedly-planning-to-give-its-hybrid-technology-to-gm/#comment-116264 Rich Wagoner Mon, 01 Jun 2009 05:52:38 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1678#comment-116264 GM already has better mileage, line for line, than Toyota, and the Prius is crap technology. THe Volt will destroy the Prius. GM already has better mileage, line for line, than Toyota, and the Prius is crap technology. THe Volt will destroy the Prius.

]]> By: G35X http://gm-volt.com/2009/05/25/toyota-reportedly-planning-to-give-its-hybrid-technology-to-gm/#comment-115534 G35X Thu, 28 May 2009 04:59:42 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1678#comment-115534 #89 Darren says: “I think Toyota is afraid of the Volt. This is a move they think will make the Volt less successful.” Why should Toyota be afraid of the Volt? The Prius already has EV mode while its ICE is float charging the battery. Given a higher capacity battery (Li-ion) Toyota can extend the range. Let’s see what kind of EV range the plug-in Prius (end of 2009?) can yield. JFYI, I posted the following in the forum section some time ago. As you can see Prius’hardware and software are capable of operating in many combinations of the ICE, motor, battery and generator: Status/ICE/generator/motor/battery/mode Standstill/off/off/off/off/park Standstill/start/motorized/free run/discharge/ICE start Standstill/on/on/off/charge/battery charge Forward/off/free run/on/discharge/EV Forward/start/reverse on/on/discharge/ICE start Forward/on/on/on/off/HV Forward/on/on/on/discharge/HV acceleration Forward/on/on/on/charge/HV charge Forward/on/on/free run/charge/ICE run Braking/compression/on/on/off/engine brake Braking/off/free run/on/charge/regeneration Reverse/off/free run/reverse on/discharge/EV Reverse/on/on/reverse on/discharge/HV #89 Darren says: “I think Toyota is afraid of the Volt. This is a move they think will make the Volt less successful.”

Why should Toyota be afraid of the Volt? The Prius already has EV mode while its ICE is float charging the battery. Given a higher capacity battery (Li-ion) Toyota can extend the range. Let’s see what kind of EV range the plug-in Prius (end of 2009?) can yield.

JFYI, I posted the following in the forum section some time ago. As you can see Prius’hardware and software are capable of operating in many combinations of the ICE, motor, battery and generator:

Status/ICE/generator/motor/battery/mode

Standstill/off/off/off/off/park
Standstill/start/motorized/free run/discharge/ICE start
Standstill/on/on/off/charge/battery charge

Forward/off/free run/on/discharge/EV
Forward/start/reverse on/on/discharge/ICE start
Forward/on/on/on/off/HV
Forward/on/on/on/discharge/HV acceleration
Forward/on/on/on/charge/HV charge
Forward/on/on/free run/charge/ICE run

Braking/compression/on/on/off/engine brake
Braking/off/free run/on/charge/regeneration

Reverse/off/free run/reverse on/discharge/EV
Reverse/on/on/reverse on/discharge/HV

]]> By: Killing our present » Blog Archive » Quick scan of the net - nummi http://gm-volt.com/2009/05/25/toyota-reportedly-planning-to-give-its-hybrid-technology-to-gm/#comment-115481 Killing our present » Blog Archive » Quick scan of the net - nummi Wed, 27 May 2009 22:40:00 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1678#comment-115481 [...] http://gm-volt.com/2009/05/25/toyota-reportedly-planning-to-give-its-hybrid-technology-to-gm/Mostly i think this may be a leaked version of some talks on NUMMI developing a Hybrid car. So GM and Toyota will have same hybrid and inturn the news will be correct in some way ( its only GM label over Toyota chassis/engine ) … [...] [...] http://gm-volt.com/2009/05/25/toyota-reportedly-planning-to-give-its-hybrid-technology-to-gm/Mostly i think this may be a leaked version of some talks on NUMMI developing a Hybrid car. So GM and Toyota will have same hybrid and inturn the news will be correct in some way ( its only GM label over Toyota chassis/engine ) … [...]

]]> By: Peter Sommerfeld http://gm-volt.com/2009/05/25/toyota-reportedly-planning-to-give-its-hybrid-technology-to-gm/#comment-115460 Peter Sommerfeld Wed, 27 May 2009 20:26:08 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1678#comment-115460 I think the answer is in the 4th paragraph: "Toyota is expected to post losses for two consecutive years and the return of the North American market is felt to be critical for Toyota’s recovery." If I were Toyota and realizing a shrinking market being sold to, I would be looking for another revenue stream and licensing technology to another company that no longer has the capital for huge R&D expenditures would seem like an obvious choice to me. -- Pete I think the answer is in the 4th paragraph:

“Toyota is expected to post losses for two consecutive years and the return of the North American market is felt to be critical for Toyota’s recovery.”

If I were Toyota and realizing a shrinking market being sold to, I would be looking for another revenue stream and licensing technology to another company that no longer has the capital for huge R&D expenditures would seem like an obvious choice to me.

– Pete

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