Comments on: Toyota Reportedly Planning to Give its Hybrid Technology to GM http://gm-volt.com/2009/05/25/toyota-reportedly-planning-to-give-its-hybrid-technology-to-gm/ Real-time news, information, and discussion about the Chevrolet Volt. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:07:32 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Obama Releases $2.4B for EVs, GM Is Big Winner « Christopher A. Haase http://gm-volt.com/2009/05/25/toyota-reportedly-planning-to-give-its-hybrid-technology-to-gm/#comment-134008 Obama Releases $2.4B for EVs, GM Is Big Winner « Christopher A. Haase Fri, 07 Aug 2009 12:59:06 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1678#comment-134008 [...] bailout for more bad ideas and engineering. Hey GM, look a Nissan for model hints not the old tech you got from Toyota The Wall Street Journal reports, General Motors was the biggest winner (of 48 winners) of the [...] [...] bailout for more bad ideas and engineering. Hey GM, look a Nissan for model hints not the old tech you got from Toyota The Wall Street Journal reports, General Motors was the biggest winner (of 48 winners) of the [...]

]]> By: Rich Wagoner http://gm-volt.com/2009/05/25/toyota-reportedly-planning-to-give-its-hybrid-technology-to-gm/#comment-116264 Rich Wagoner Mon, 01 Jun 2009 05:52:38 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1678#comment-116264 GM already has better mileage, line for line, than Toyota, and the Prius is crap technology. THe Volt will destroy the Prius. GM already has better mileage, line for line, than Toyota, and the Prius is crap technology. THe Volt will destroy the Prius.

]]> By: G35X http://gm-volt.com/2009/05/25/toyota-reportedly-planning-to-give-its-hybrid-technology-to-gm/#comment-115534 G35X Thu, 28 May 2009 04:59:42 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1678#comment-115534 #89 Darren says: “I think Toyota is afraid of the Volt. This is a move they think will make the Volt less successful.” Why should Toyota be afraid of the Volt? The Prius already has EV mode while its ICE is float charging the battery. Given a higher capacity battery (Li-ion) Toyota can extend the range. Let’s see what kind of EV range the plug-in Prius (end of 2009?) can yield. JFYI, I posted the following in the forum section some time ago. As you can see Prius’hardware and software are capable of operating in many combinations of the ICE, motor, battery and generator: Status/ICE/generator/motor/battery/mode Standstill/off/off/off/off/park Standstill/start/motorized/free run/discharge/ICE start Standstill/on/on/off/charge/battery charge Forward/off/free run/on/discharge/EV Forward/start/reverse on/on/discharge/ICE start Forward/on/on/on/off/HV Forward/on/on/on/discharge/HV acceleration Forward/on/on/on/charge/HV charge Forward/on/on/free run/charge/ICE run Braking/compression/on/on/off/engine brake Braking/off/free run/on/charge/regeneration Reverse/off/free run/reverse on/discharge/EV Reverse/on/on/reverse on/discharge/HV #89 Darren says: “I think Toyota is afraid of the Volt. This is a move they think will make the Volt less successful.”

Why should Toyota be afraid of the Volt? The Prius already has EV mode while its ICE is float charging the battery. Given a higher capacity battery (Li-ion) Toyota can extend the range. Let’s see what kind of EV range the plug-in Prius (end of 2009?) can yield.

JFYI, I posted the following in the forum section some time ago. As you can see Prius’hardware and software are capable of operating in many combinations of the ICE, motor, battery and generator:

Status/ICE/generator/motor/battery/mode

Standstill/off/off/off/off/park
Standstill/start/motorized/free run/discharge/ICE start
Standstill/on/on/off/charge/battery charge

Forward/off/free run/on/discharge/EV
Forward/start/reverse on/on/discharge/ICE start
Forward/on/on/on/off/HV
Forward/on/on/on/discharge/HV acceleration
Forward/on/on/on/charge/HV charge
Forward/on/on/free run/charge/ICE run

Braking/compression/on/on/off/engine brake
Braking/off/free run/on/charge/regeneration

Reverse/off/free run/reverse on/discharge/EV
Reverse/on/on/reverse on/discharge/HV

]]> By: Killing our present » Blog Archive » Quick scan of the net - nummi http://gm-volt.com/2009/05/25/toyota-reportedly-planning-to-give-its-hybrid-technology-to-gm/#comment-115481 Killing our present » Blog Archive » Quick scan of the net - nummi Wed, 27 May 2009 22:40:00 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1678#comment-115481 [...] http://gm-volt.com/2009/05/25/toyota-reportedly-planning-to-give-its-hybrid-technology-to-gm/Mostly i think this may be a leaked version of some talks on NUMMI developing a Hybrid car. So GM and Toyota will have same hybrid and inturn the news will be correct in some way ( its only GM label over Toyota chassis/engine ) … [...] [...] http://gm-volt.com/2009/05/25/toyota-reportedly-planning-to-give-its-hybrid-technology-to-gm/Mostly i think this may be a leaked version of some talks on NUMMI developing a Hybrid car. So GM and Toyota will have same hybrid and inturn the news will be correct in some way ( its only GM label over Toyota chassis/engine ) … [...]

]]> By: Peter Sommerfeld http://gm-volt.com/2009/05/25/toyota-reportedly-planning-to-give-its-hybrid-technology-to-gm/#comment-115460 Peter Sommerfeld Wed, 27 May 2009 20:26:08 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1678#comment-115460 I think the answer is in the 4th paragraph: "Toyota is expected to post losses for two consecutive years and the return of the North American market is felt to be critical for Toyota’s recovery." If I were Toyota and realizing a shrinking market being sold to, I would be looking for another revenue stream and licensing technology to another company that no longer has the capital for huge R&D expenditures would seem like an obvious choice to me. -- Pete I think the answer is in the 4th paragraph:

“Toyota is expected to post losses for two consecutive years and the return of the North American market is felt to be critical for Toyota’s recovery.”

If I were Toyota and realizing a shrinking market being sold to, I would be looking for another revenue stream and licensing technology to another company that no longer has the capital for huge R&D expenditures would seem like an obvious choice to me.

– Pete

]]> By: Matthew_B http://gm-volt.com/2009/05/25/toyota-reportedly-planning-to-give-its-hybrid-technology-to-gm/#comment-115340 Matthew_B Wed, 27 May 2009 06:59:05 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1678#comment-115340 #6 "The technology Ford uses for their hybrid program is Toyota based. Why re-invent the wheel ? (so to speak)" Nope. Toyota used TRW patents from the early 70's in the Prius. Ford uses the same design in the Escape. Just because the designs are very similar doesn't mean that it's a copy of Toyota. #6
“The technology Ford uses for their hybrid program is Toyota based.
Why re-invent the wheel ? (so to speak)”

Nope.

Toyota used TRW patents from the early 70’s in the Prius.

Ford uses the same design in the Escape.

Just because the designs are very similar doesn’t mean that it’s a copy of Toyota.

]]> By: T ABE http://gm-volt.com/2009/05/25/toyota-reportedly-planning-to-give-its-hybrid-technology-to-gm/#comment-115333 T ABE Wed, 27 May 2009 04:12:10 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1678#comment-115333 EV PHEV from using the vehicles on hydrogen and (FC Hydrogen RE)In order to sell is made in stages If you sell first and sell the electric car is not the technology to make hybrid cars Hybrid car and sell it to make a hydrogen fuel cell vehicles run on HCCi I'm going to have and not having a hydrogen combustion engine. Hybrid systems are also equipped with a Mazda hydrogen rotary engine vehicles. Ford is lucky. Do not thank the people of Hiroshima. I knew the signs from a recession to make a Honda lawn mower. I will survive for the GM Chevrolet Corvair advised him to remember the lessons of things. The lawyers will not fight it. Japan's car makers make a good car is the hybrid car technology development efforts and ridiculed by their manufacturers in Germany's toy car is spared VW's BYD advice would you regret you did not select their own companies and Japanese companies have a dedicated battery for hybrid cars in Japan car batteries for cheap deals. I apologize for having laughed a hybrid car in Japan is not. I hate them because it's not always pick only BYD. If you put a VW diesel engine in North America to sell Golf First U.S. Army's M1 tanks and U.S. Navy Aegis destroyers, UPS does not have the resolve to increase the price of diesel fuel used by I think I will not allow the Pentagon. EV PHEV from using the vehicles on hydrogen and (FC Hydrogen RE)In order to sell is made in stages

If you sell first and sell the electric car is not the technology to make hybrid cars

Hybrid car and sell it to make a hydrogen fuel cell vehicles run on HCCi
I’m going to have and not having a hydrogen combustion engine.
Hybrid systems are also equipped with a Mazda hydrogen rotary engine vehicles. Ford is lucky. Do not thank the people of Hiroshima. I knew the signs from a recession to make a Honda lawn mower.

I will survive for the GM Chevrolet Corvair advised him to remember the lessons of things. The lawyers will not fight it. Japan’s car makers make a good car is the hybrid car technology development efforts and ridiculed by their manufacturers in Germany’s toy car is spared

VW’s BYD advice would you regret you did not select their own companies and Japanese companies have a dedicated battery for hybrid cars in Japan car batteries for cheap deals.

I apologize for having laughed a hybrid car in Japan is not.
I hate them because it’s not always pick only BYD.

If you put a VW diesel engine in North America to sell Golf

First U.S. Army’s M1 tanks and U.S. Navy Aegis destroyers,
UPS does not have the resolve to increase the price of diesel fuel used by

I think I will not allow the Pentagon.

]]> By: charlie h http://gm-volt.com/2009/05/25/toyota-reportedly-planning-to-give-its-hybrid-technology-to-gm/#comment-115326 charlie h Wed, 27 May 2009 02:07:12 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1678#comment-115326 #94, Bob G writes, in response to a question about what GM owns, "GM is buying the basic Lithium Ion cells only. GM is designing and building the battery pack themselves. Each cell will be monitored for voltage, current, and temperature. Active cooling and heating will be needed. It has to be safe, reliable, and manufacturable. All of this requires hardware, circuitry, and software that doesn’t exist in the Prius. If I was a Toyota engineer, I wouldn’t be laughing; I’d want to know how GM is doing all of this." My kid did something very much like that on her way to getting a bachelor's degree in physics and that wasn't the interesting part of the science, just something necessary to deal with the experiment. It's not rocket science. The cell chemistry is what makes an EV possible. GM doesn't own that; it's for sale to anybody. Toyota pays on time and gets high marks from suppliers. GM doesn't. If you were selling batteries, who would you sell to? #92, Bob G writes... Is Toyota frightened? Probably not. They have the resources to work several lines of advance at once. They've given GM a thorough drubbing in the current hybrid market, they know what a Volt will cost GM to build and have a vision for where they can take their current architecture and what they might do afterwards. I think they're wary of all competition but not frightened. The Prius sells well enough and profitably that they are probably confident. And I think they should be. Also, reviews of the Insight are unimpressive. Yes, it's selling but it seems that comparing the Prius and the Insight... the Prius seems like it's worth more than the extra $2K it costs. #94, Bob G writes, in response to a question about what GM owns, “GM is buying the basic Lithium Ion cells only. GM is designing and building the battery pack themselves. Each cell will be monitored for voltage, current, and temperature. Active cooling and heating will be needed. It has to be safe, reliable, and manufacturable. All of this requires hardware, circuitry, and software that doesn’t exist in the Prius. If I was a Toyota engineer, I wouldn’t be laughing; I’d want to know how GM is doing all of this.”

My kid did something very much like that on her way to getting a bachelor’s degree in physics and that wasn’t the interesting part of the science, just something necessary to deal with the experiment. It’s not rocket science. The cell chemistry is what makes an EV possible. GM doesn’t own that; it’s for sale to anybody.

Toyota pays on time and gets high marks from suppliers. GM doesn’t. If you were selling batteries, who would you sell to?

#92, Bob G writes… Is Toyota frightened?

Probably not. They have the resources to work several lines of advance at once. They’ve given GM a thorough drubbing in the current hybrid market, they know what a Volt will cost GM to build and have a vision for where they can take their current architecture and what they might do afterwards. I think they’re wary of all competition but not frightened. The Prius sells well enough and profitably that they are probably confident. And I think they should be.

Also, reviews of the Insight are unimpressive. Yes, it’s selling but it seems that comparing the Prius and the Insight… the Prius seems like it’s worth more than the extra $2K it costs.

]]> By: Larry McFall http://gm-volt.com/2009/05/25/toyota-reportedly-planning-to-give-its-hybrid-technology-to-gm/#comment-115311 Larry McFall Wed, 27 May 2009 00:17:54 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1678#comment-115311 Why in the hell do you want the Toyota Technology? Is GM waiting for another handout. This is not the GM I grew up with. They had some guts. Does Toyota have the same design engineering that I understand that GM is claiming to employee in the VOLT? Talking about the VOLT, how about working on a market for the VOLT. Where is the big trucks to take a copy of the VOLT around to towns to let the people see them and yes!!!! promote a market. The Volt is a good sound idea that is nothing like what I know of that Toyota is doing. The idea of a Hybrid to Toyota is having an internal combustion engine running all the time very unlike the Volt. GM, get off your punny bail-out ass and get the Volt a movin. My local Chevy dealer claims that, GM doesn't keep them informed on anything and they are stuck with much that NObody wants. The Volt is what this site and interest is in, not the Toyota and their fanstastic technology. If you need their technology so bad, why don't you just give them the company and let them build the "VOLTSAN"! What! Have you got those kids at work at GM again? They probably are the executives that need their annual bonus bottle at feeding time. Why in the hell do you want the Toyota Technology? Is GM waiting for another handout. This is not the GM I grew up with. They had some guts. Does Toyota have the same design engineering that I understand that GM is claiming to employee in the VOLT?

Talking about the VOLT, how about working on a market for the VOLT. Where is the big trucks to take a copy of the VOLT around to towns to let the people see them and yes!!!! promote a market.

The Volt is a good sound idea that is nothing like what I know of that Toyota is doing. The idea of a Hybrid to Toyota is having an internal combustion engine running all the time very unlike the Volt.

GM, get off your punny bail-out ass and get the Volt a movin. My local Chevy dealer claims that, GM doesn’t keep them informed on anything and they are stuck with much that NObody wants.

The Volt is what this site and interest is in, not the Toyota and their fanstastic technology. If you need their technology so bad, why don’t you just give them the company and let them build the “VOLTSAN”!

What! Have you got those kids at work at GM again? They probably are the executives that need their annual bonus bottle at feeding time.

]]> By: RandyB http://gm-volt.com/2009/05/25/toyota-reportedly-planning-to-give-its-hybrid-technology-to-gm/#comment-115295 RandyB Tue, 26 May 2009 22:46:53 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1678#comment-115295 I think it's a plot by North Korea!! Thats it......it's Elvis and Jimmy Hoffa conspiring in North Korea to take over the world. Sip a beer or glass of wine and enjoy the spring weather :{) I think it’s a plot by North Korea!! Thats it……it’s Elvis and Jimmy Hoffa conspiring in North Korea to take over the world. Sip a beer or glass of wine and enjoy the spring weather :{)

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