Comments on: GM Committed to Study the Application of Ultracapacitors to Future Chevy Volts http://gm-volt.com/2009/05/23/gm-committed-to-study-the-application-of-ultracapacitors-to-future-chevy-volts/ Real-time news, information, and discussion about the Chevrolet Volt. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:07:32 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Tlee http://gm-volt.com/2009/05/23/gm-committed-to-study-the-application-of-ultracapacitors-to-future-chevy-volts/#comment-118660 Tlee Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:37:16 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1673#comment-118660 "They are scamming us?" Does that mean, joemama, that they have hit you up for money? They haven't scammed me -- they probably could but they haven't asked me yet. As far as I can tell the only people that are able to invest in EEStor are big boys with lots of money and presumably got and kept all that money by thorough due diligence. “They are scamming us?” Does that mean, joemama, that they have hit you up for money? They haven’t scammed me — they probably could but they haven’t asked me yet. As far as I can tell the only people that are able to invest in EEStor are big boys with lots of money and presumably got and kept all that money by thorough due diligence.

]]> By: joemama http://gm-volt.com/2009/05/23/gm-committed-to-study-the-application-of-ultracapacitors-to-future-chevy-volts/#comment-116082 joemama Sun, 31 May 2009 12:33:13 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1673#comment-116082 It's truly amazing that anyone brings up Eestore anymore. They haven't ever produced a working prototype. They are just sucking up investiment dollars with 'hopeful' news. They had a nice idea. They thought they could get it to work. But alas, they can't figure it out, and they can't make it work. Hence, they can't produce a working prototype. It's a scam and a sham folks. They keep missing their own deadlines, BECAUSE they can't get it to work ! Why else are they so secretive ! They are scamming us. It’s truly amazing that anyone brings up Eestore anymore. They haven’t ever produced a working prototype. They are just sucking up investiment dollars with ‘hopeful’ news. They had a nice idea. They thought they could get it to work. But alas, they can’t figure it out, and they can’t make it work. Hence, they can’t produce a working prototype.

It’s a scam and a sham folks. They keep missing their own deadlines, BECAUSE they can’t get it to work ! Why else are they so secretive ! They are scamming us.

]]> By: Bob G http://gm-volt.com/2009/05/23/gm-committed-to-study-the-application-of-ultracapacitors-to-future-chevy-volts/#comment-115281 Bob G Tue, 26 May 2009 21:33:08 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1673#comment-115281 #72 Electriciti Says, "This technology is fine, but it would not be necessary if we could have imbeded magnetic strips at specfic intervals on our highways. Then these cars would charge themselves, without stoping, as they drive over this electromagnetic strips via a pick up coil placed under the chasis of the car" If you are talking about putting magnets in the highway that generate current in a coil as the car passes over it (i.e., a linear generator), the drag on the car will exceed the energy gained. Otherwise, it would be a perpetual motion machine, which violates the laws of physics. #72 Electriciti Says, “This technology is fine, but it would not be necessary if we could have imbeded magnetic strips at specfic intervals on our highways. Then these cars would charge themselves, without stoping, as they drive over this electromagnetic strips via a pick up coil placed under the chasis of the car”

If you are talking about putting magnets in the highway that generate current in a coil as the car passes over it (i.e., a linear generator), the drag on the car will exceed the energy gained. Otherwise, it would be a perpetual motion machine, which violates the laws of physics.

]]> By: N Riley http://gm-volt.com/2009/05/23/gm-committed-to-study-the-application-of-ultracapacitors-to-future-chevy-volts/#comment-115199 N Riley Tue, 26 May 2009 16:04:48 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1673#comment-115199 Sounds interesting. Sounds like something we will give away free to foreign owned auto companies so they can beat our companies in the market place. Just like hybrid technology. Sounds interesting. Sounds like something we will give away free to foreign owned auto companies so they can beat our companies in the market place. Just like hybrid technology.

]]> By: The Grump http://gm-volt.com/2009/05/23/gm-committed-to-study-the-application-of-ultracapacitors-to-future-chevy-volts/#comment-115106 The Grump Tue, 26 May 2009 08:23:10 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1673#comment-115106 JEC says: "Can use my kids swimming pool to store that oil?" "PSS: Post totally off topic " -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) Can your pool, your rain barrels, and your basement combined store 10 million barrels of crude oil (a normal amount for an oil future contract)? Would you really want to? (Point goes to The Grump) 2) I thought we were alllowed to be off-topic, if replying to another off-topic post. My bad. Besides, this thread is boring - when they actually prove that a Volt-ready ultracap exists, when EEStor produces more than hot air, then I'll get excited. (Point goes to JEC) JEC says: “Can use my kids swimming pool to store that oil?”

“PSS: Post totally off topic ”
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1) Can your pool, your rain barrels, and your basement combined store 10 million barrels of crude oil (a normal amount for an oil future contract)? Would you really want to? (Point goes to The Grump)

2) I thought we were alllowed to be off-topic, if replying to another off-topic post. My bad. Besides, this thread is boring – when they actually prove that a Volt-ready ultracap exists, when EEStor produces more than hot air, then I’ll get excited. (Point goes to JEC)

]]> By: Buddy Eldorado http://gm-volt.com/2009/05/23/gm-committed-to-study-the-application-of-ultracapacitors-to-future-chevy-volts/#comment-115082 Buddy Eldorado Mon, 25 May 2009 23:28:17 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1673#comment-115082 I am patiently waiting for an electric car that runs on 5 "D cell" batteries. Until then, I'm planning on a 20 year, Rip Van Winkle, sleep. When I awaken, I expect to find the "D cell" car to be a reality, not fiction. (:-) (:-) I am patiently waiting for an electric car that runs on 5 “D cell” batteries.
Until then, I’m planning on a 20 year, Rip Van Winkle, sleep. When I
awaken, I expect to find the “D cell” car to be a reality, not fiction. (:-) (:-)

]]> By: stas peterson http://gm-volt.com/2009/05/23/gm-committed-to-study-the-application-of-ultracapacitors-to-future-chevy-volts/#comment-115080 stas peterson Mon, 25 May 2009 23:14:51 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1673#comment-115080 I don't give damn about EESTOR. Until proved otherwise this a has all the warning signs of a scam. Bu the concept of using super caps to buffer regen energy and instantaneous current demands is a good idea, if it extends battery life more than the cost of the ultra caps. Bu this is not even the most advanced Battery cap implementation. Chrysler's ENVI and GE have a JV, in which GE's combined super cap/battery cells are combined in a single unit to provide both high power and high capacity Li-Ion batteries for automotive use. Chrysler has committed to use the technology in one of its Electric vehicles for 2011. When Chrysler was talking of these a few months ago, even I was skeptical of its survival that klong bu tit is just a few paper shuffling days away from emerging from Bankruptcy,and a member of the FIAT empire. . I don’t give damn about EESTOR. Until proved otherwise this a has all the warning signs of a scam.

Bu the concept of using super caps to buffer regen energy and instantaneous current demands is a good idea, if it extends battery life more than the cost of the ultra caps.

Bu this is not even the most advanced Battery cap implementation. Chrysler’s ENVI and GE have a JV, in which GE’s combined super cap/battery cells are combined in a single unit to provide both high power and high capacity Li-Ion batteries for automotive use.

Chrysler has committed to use the technology in one of its Electric vehicles for 2011. When Chrysler was talking of these a few months ago, even I was skeptical of its survival that klong bu tit is just a few paper shuffling days away from emerging from Bankruptcy,and a member of the FIAT empire.

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]]> By: MuddyRoverRob http://gm-volt.com/2009/05/23/gm-committed-to-study-the-application-of-ultracapacitors-to-future-chevy-volts/#comment-115040 MuddyRoverRob Mon, 25 May 2009 15:13:32 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1673#comment-115040 Adrian, in a perfect world the fuel cell shows real promise but in reality is just too expensive to be mass produced. The issue is cost not the technology. Ballard power has been bashing up against this for years. (When was the last time you heard about then in the news?) The development of high power capasitors would/will be very beneficial to a car like the volt. Think of them as electrical shock absorbers, they will protect the battery and allow things like regen braking to be much more efficent by allowing small bits of charge to build up prior to dumping to the battery. Conversely if there is more charge than the battery can take at a given instant the cap's will store the access until the battery can catch up and absorb the charge. Adrian, in a perfect world the fuel cell shows real promise but in reality is just too expensive to be mass produced.
The issue is cost not the technology. Ballard power has been bashing up against this for years. (When was the last time you heard about then in the news?)

The development of high power capasitors would/will be very beneficial to a car like the volt. Think of them as electrical shock absorbers, they will protect the battery and allow things like regen braking to be much more efficent by allowing small bits of charge to build up prior to dumping to the battery. Conversely if there is more charge than the battery can take at a given instant the cap’s will store the access until the battery can catch up and absorb the charge.

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]]> By: Tom Harwick http://gm-volt.com/2009/05/23/gm-committed-to-study-the-application-of-ultracapacitors-to-future-chevy-volts/#comment-114999 Tom Harwick Mon, 25 May 2009 07:30:42 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1673#comment-114999 Adrian Says: May 23rd, 2009 at 11:16 am You know, if the fuel cell was developed we wouldn’t need to worry about an all electric car and let battery tech develop naturally. Too much common sense… ============================================== Where is the common sense in building fuel cell cars which cost a million dollars a copy, because Li-ion cars cost too much at $40k? Advocating fuel cells is like advocating time travel. The list of benefits if we could make it work is impressive, but no one can point out a path toward getting it done. Several automakers have large fleets of hand built fuel cell cars out there, but none have specific plans to commercialize the technology, because no one has identified a research path leading to $40k fuel cell cars. Adrian Says:
May 23rd, 2009 at 11:16 am

You know, if the fuel cell was developed we wouldn’t need to worry about an all electric car and let battery tech develop naturally. Too much common sense…
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Where is the common sense in building fuel cell cars which cost a million dollars a copy, because Li-ion cars cost too much at $40k?

Advocating fuel cells is like advocating time travel. The list of benefits if we could make it work is impressive, but no one can point out a path toward getting it done.

Several automakers have large fleets of hand built fuel cell cars out there, but none have specific plans to commercialize the technology, because no one has identified a research path leading to $40k fuel cell cars.

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