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	<title>Comments on: Obama Announcing New Strict Federal Fuel Economy Requirements of 35.5 mpg by 2016,  GM Commits to it</title>
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		<title>By: whoot1</title>
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		<dc:creator>whoot1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 05:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since when does the standard SUV you see driving down the road get 30 mpg?????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since when does the standard SUV you see driving down the road get 30 mpg?????</p>
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		<title>By: Scrubs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scrubs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 18:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Informative and entertaining.  I&#039;ve added your blog to my &quot;reading material.&quot;  Keep me updated!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Informative and entertaining.  I&#8217;ve added your blog to my &#8220;reading material.&#8221;  Keep me updated!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 17:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GM&#039;s commitment to the new CAFE standard suprising??  
Certainly not since their very existence is dependant on the Federal Government.

Will they attain it??? Probably not unless the Federal Government &quot;tinkers&quot; with the economy (oil, gasoline, taxing vehicles that don&#039;t meet these standards) which will in the end force Americans into these vehicles.  

Unfortunately, I can see this present administration (Congress included) doing this.  They are not afraid to Choose Winners and Losers in any situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GM&#8217;s commitment to the new CAFE standard suprising??<br />
Certainly not since their very existence is dependant on the Federal Government.</p>
<p>Will they attain it??? Probably not unless the Federal Government &#8220;tinkers&#8221; with the economy (oil, gasoline, taxing vehicles that don&#8217;t meet these standards) which will in the end force Americans into these vehicles.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately, I can see this present administration (Congress included) doing this.  They are not afraid to Choose Winners and Losers in any situation.</p>
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		<title>By: MRB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MRB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 13:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reference to the headline, let&#039;s not pretend GM has any real choice in the matter. We all know who&#039;s calling the shots for the company now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reference to the headline, let&#8217;s not pretend GM has any real choice in the matter. We all know who&#8217;s calling the shots for the company now.</p>
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		<title>By: Scotland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scotland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 00:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gas tax is preferrable to Cap and Trade.  Why?  Cap and Trade leads to gaming - plain and simple.  It will feature politically motivated handouts and set-asides to favored industries and companies.  How will these be doled out?  Well, just like tax breaks - to the industries and companies that contribute the most to their sponsors election funds...

A carbon tax, on the other hand, makes it fair across the board (ok, yeah, you can have rebates - but that is tougher to hide since it is more readily understood by the average voter).  The only downside, though, is the word TAX.  Noone running for office says they like raising taxes and wants to be burdened with that label.  We&#039;ve fundamentally lost our ability to prioritize what behavior we want to encourage and then use taxes to promote or discourage such behavior.  This is a shame.  If Obama and the Dems wanted to responsibly use their power for change - they would take this on.  However, they&#039;ll hide behind Cap and Trade instead - which is less efficient, allows them to avoid the negative stigma of being a tax (which it really is - voters will catch on eventually), while at the same time promotes their reelection campaigns through selective use of &quot;incentives&quot; for worthy industries (further corrupting our political system). 

The Supply side solution, CAFE, will not work if gas prices remain low.  Perhaps Cap and Trade will result in higher taxes on gasoline restoring some sort of balance but history has shown that CAFE ONLY worked when gas prices were high (early 80s) - they had no effect when gas prices were low (all years since - until 2007-2008).  During years when they didn&#039;t work, automakers sold small cars at a loss (remember Ford Escort and Chrysler Neon?) and, even then, there still wasn&#039;t sufficient demand.  Electric cars are not the answer in the next few years - they cost MORE - not LESS - therefore they will not be high-volume anytime soon (certainly not by 2016).  The only way these higher CAFE standards can be met by 2016 is by reduction of choice - no cars other than subcompacts could meet the standard and be sold profitably.  Result - cars that don&#039;t meet the standard become more expensive (and unaffordable), severe cutbacks on new car production, loss of jobs, etc.

If you want a good case study on the possible effects, just check out what happened to the General Aviation market after product liability lawsuits and higher aviation fuel prices decimated the industry in the late 70s.  In the space of about 10 years, the market for new small planes went from 10s of thousands of planes to hundreds and used planes became the only way to affordably buy a plane.  Cessna ceased making small planes (they have mainly made corporate jets since), Piper has been in and out of bankruptcy with many different owners.  Beech and Mooney changed hands and stopped/started operations many times.  Kit planes became popular because the builder was the user and assumed the liability.

But this same situation (as in GA) won&#039;t be allowed to happen - the auto marketplace is too important.  But I find it is just ridiculous to regulate market behavior this way and particularly on this timescale.  I agree on the goal of reducing carbon emissions but the most effective way is to slap a carbon tax on all fuels and let the overall marketplace figure out where and how to gain the efficiencies - no bureaucrats and lobbyists are required and it gives a far more effective result!!!

(P.S. We very badly need campaign finance reform.  Lack of it is the root cause of a lot of problems.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gas tax is preferrable to Cap and Trade.  Why?  Cap and Trade leads to gaming &#8211; plain and simple.  It will feature politically motivated handouts and set-asides to favored industries and companies.  How will these be doled out?  Well, just like tax breaks &#8211; to the industries and companies that contribute the most to their sponsors election funds&#8230;</p>
<p>A carbon tax, on the other hand, makes it fair across the board (ok, yeah, you can have rebates &#8211; but that is tougher to hide since it is more readily understood by the average voter).  The only downside, though, is the word TAX.  Noone running for office says they like raising taxes and wants to be burdened with that label.  We&#8217;ve fundamentally lost our ability to prioritize what behavior we want to encourage and then use taxes to promote or discourage such behavior.  This is a shame.  If Obama and the Dems wanted to responsibly use their power for change &#8211; they would take this on.  However, they&#8217;ll hide behind Cap and Trade instead &#8211; which is less efficient, allows them to avoid the negative stigma of being a tax (which it really is &#8211; voters will catch on eventually), while at the same time promotes their reelection campaigns through selective use of &#8220;incentives&#8221; for worthy industries (further corrupting our political system). </p>
<p>The Supply side solution, CAFE, will not work if gas prices remain low.  Perhaps Cap and Trade will result in higher taxes on gasoline restoring some sort of balance but history has shown that CAFE ONLY worked when gas prices were high (early 80s) &#8211; they had no effect when gas prices were low (all years since &#8211; until 2007-2008).  During years when they didn&#8217;t work, automakers sold small cars at a loss (remember Ford Escort and Chrysler Neon?) and, even then, there still wasn&#8217;t sufficient demand.  Electric cars are not the answer in the next few years &#8211; they cost MORE &#8211; not LESS &#8211; therefore they will not be high-volume anytime soon (certainly not by 2016).  The only way these higher CAFE standards can be met by 2016 is by reduction of choice &#8211; no cars other than subcompacts could meet the standard and be sold profitably.  Result &#8211; cars that don&#8217;t meet the standard become more expensive (and unaffordable), severe cutbacks on new car production, loss of jobs, etc.</p>
<p>If you want a good case study on the possible effects, just check out what happened to the General Aviation market after product liability lawsuits and higher aviation fuel prices decimated the industry in the late 70s.  In the space of about 10 years, the market for new small planes went from 10s of thousands of planes to hundreds and used planes became the only way to affordably buy a plane.  Cessna ceased making small planes (they have mainly made corporate jets since), Piper has been in and out of bankruptcy with many different owners.  Beech and Mooney changed hands and stopped/started operations many times.  Kit planes became popular because the builder was the user and assumed the liability.</p>
<p>But this same situation (as in GA) won&#8217;t be allowed to happen &#8211; the auto marketplace is too important.  But I find it is just ridiculous to regulate market behavior this way and particularly on this timescale.  I agree on the goal of reducing carbon emissions but the most effective way is to slap a carbon tax on all fuels and let the overall marketplace figure out where and how to gain the efficiencies &#8211; no bureaucrats and lobbyists are required and it gives a far more effective result!!!</p>
<p>(P.S. We very badly need campaign finance reform.  Lack of it is the root cause of a lot of problems.)</p>
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		<title>By: KenEE</title>
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		<dc:creator>KenEE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 23:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim in PA,

It says &quot;Obama has decided...&quot;

He seems to do that a lot.  Which is fine as long as his bulldozer decision de jour happens align with your ideas.  But in a democracy of  varried ideas and goals, many prefer a process to a personality to decide such deep and far reaching mandates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim in PA,</p>
<p>It says &#8220;Obama has decided&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>He seems to do that a lot.  Which is fine as long as his bulldozer decision de jour happens align with your ideas.  But in a democracy of  varried ideas and goals, many prefer a process to a personality to decide such deep and far reaching mandates.</p>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 20:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If GM shuts down American jobs and imports it&#039;s vehicles from mexico,south korea,china, canada, and japan. I will not buy a Volt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If GM shuts down American jobs and imports it&#8217;s vehicles from mexico,south korea,china, canada, and japan. I will not buy a Volt.</p>
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		<title>By: solo</title>
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		<dc:creator>solo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 20:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kent Beushart says:

We sell less than 17 million per year. You do the math to estimate how long it will take to achieve that stupidly claimed 30% reduction by 2016. Another gem from Obama and his fellow dopes and tax cheats. And the cars they are pushing are cars that Amercian automakers simply cannot build. At least not if they in any way involve the UAW wage rates. This amount to a death knell for American automakers. 

I partially agree with you.   The magic 30% reduction won&#039;t happen until 10 years or so after 2016 when the fleet is completely re-cycled.  It&#039;s like, &#039;95% of Americans will have lower taxes&#039;.  Well only about 50% of Americans (or those living in the U.S. legally or otherwise) actually pay taxes.  It&#039;s all a big B.S. numbers game that sounds good on CNN.

The American auto makers, and every company that actually manufacture(d) something in the U.S. cannot compete with FREE labor rates.  I do meen FREE. When you calculate the cost of labor for most manufactured products imported from China, the cost of the box the product comes in is far more expensive than the labor to build the product.  

I&#039;m about as right wing as they come, but despite what the GOP thinks, but the answer to America&#039;s problems is a tax on imported goods.  And a high tax at that.   Nothing else that I can think of will stimulate American business more than having and even playing field as far as labor costs go.   Nothing else will help ofset the huge budget gaps and national debt than an import tax.  Hundreds of billions of tax dollars are NOT being collected because companies base their manufacturing in China and other places.  Hundreds of Billions of tax dollars are not being collected by high wage earners in the manufacturing industry because those jobs were outsourced.  Not everybody can go to college and be a lawyer or work on Wall Street.  Some of us are just too damn honest to make a living that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kent Beushart says:</p>
<p>We sell less than 17 million per year. You do the math to estimate how long it will take to achieve that stupidly claimed 30% reduction by 2016. Another gem from Obama and his fellow dopes and tax cheats. And the cars they are pushing are cars that Amercian automakers simply cannot build. At least not if they in any way involve the UAW wage rates. This amount to a death knell for American automakers. </p>
<p>I partially agree with you.   The magic 30% reduction won&#8217;t happen until 10 years or so after 2016 when the fleet is completely re-cycled.  It&#8217;s like, &#8216;95% of Americans will have lower taxes&#8217;.  Well only about 50% of Americans (or those living in the U.S. legally or otherwise) actually pay taxes.  It&#8217;s all a big B.S. numbers game that sounds good on CNN.</p>
<p>The American auto makers, and every company that actually manufacture(d) something in the U.S. cannot compete with FREE labor rates.  I do meen FREE. When you calculate the cost of labor for most manufactured products imported from China, the cost of the box the product comes in is far more expensive than the labor to build the product.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m about as right wing as they come, but despite what the GOP thinks, but the answer to America&#8217;s problems is a tax on imported goods.  And a high tax at that.   Nothing else that I can think of will stimulate American business more than having and even playing field as far as labor costs go.   Nothing else will help ofset the huge budget gaps and national debt than an import tax.  Hundreds of billions of tax dollars are NOT being collected because companies base their manufacturing in China and other places.  Hundreds of Billions of tax dollars are not being collected by high wage earners in the manufacturing industry because those jobs were outsourced.  Not everybody can go to college and be a lawyer or work on Wall Street.  Some of us are just too damn honest to make a living that way.</p>
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		<title>By: solo</title>
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		<dc:creator>solo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 20:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>93: Muhammad

If you want to know what Daimler can to to a small well managed car company by taking ownership of it, take a look at Chrysler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>93: Muhammad</p>
<p>If you want to know what Daimler can to to a small well managed car company by taking ownership of it, take a look at Chrysler.</p>
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		<title>By: Zach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 19:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who changed this thread? It now says 30mpg for trucks, and 39mpg for cars... wtf is going on? lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who changed this thread? It now says 30mpg for trucks, and 39mpg for cars&#8230; wtf is going on? lol.</p>
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