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		<title>By: Bob G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>156 nataraj Says, &quot;Quick charge the MAIN reason why we are even talking about a EV with range extension. If you can get quick recharges in all gas stations, why would we need range extension at all? All we would need is a 200 mile or so range of EV and a quick stop for recharging on our long trips.&quot;

I agree that quick charge capability would make it practical to have charging stations for long trips, and that would ease range anxiety for BEV owners.  But quick charge could also be used as the EV equivalent of &quot;siphoning&quot; a few gallons.  So if I&#039;m stranded along the side of the road with a dead battery in my BEV, a good Samaritan in another BEV (or EREV) could stop and give me a &quot;jump&quot; (i.e., just enough energy from his/her battery to get me to the next charging station).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>156 nataraj Says, &#8220;Quick charge the MAIN reason why we are even talking about a EV with range extension. If you can get quick recharges in all gas stations, why would we need range extension at all? All we would need is a 200 mile or so range of EV and a quick stop for recharging on our long trips.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree that quick charge capability would make it practical to have charging stations for long trips, and that would ease range anxiety for BEV owners.  But quick charge could also be used as the EV equivalent of &#8220;siphoning&#8221; a few gallons.  So if I&#8217;m stranded along the side of the road with a dead battery in my BEV, a good Samaritan in another BEV (or EREV) could stop and give me a &#8220;jump&#8221; (i.e., just enough energy from his/her battery to get me to the next charging station).</p>
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		<title>By: waltinseattle</title>
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		<dc:creator>waltinseattle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S.

We have venture capital working on the infrastructure, and a cheap alternative to owning the batteries- its a system like milk in glass bottles- you buy the electricity and you &quot;rent&quot;  the bottle/battery .  So this seems to be taking care of itself without all us &quot;engineer types worring about financial issues too overly much.  Back to your slide rules and nascar training video games bro!</description>
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<p>We have venture capital working on the infrastructure, and a cheap alternative to owning the batteries- its a system like milk in glass bottles- you buy the electricity and you &#8220;rent&#8221;  the bottle/battery .  So this seems to be taking care of itself without all us &#8220;engineer types worring about financial issues too overly much.  Back to your slide rules and nascar training video games bro!</p>
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		<title>By: waltinseattle</title>
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		<dc:creator>waltinseattle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see, As Usual, a bunch of testosterone drooling going on here- &quot;nascarev&quot; indeed.  What I see that I do appreciate?  a battery that can recharge while I sip the morning latte, or while I buy the weekly groceries.  I don&#039;t really need a shorter pitstop on transcontinental road trips (but range would be a plus there)  I am personally against &quot;cars&quot; be sure.  Too fast, too expensive, too regulated.  Give me a bike for 2 or 3 plus luggage, no onerous regs, no permits, no operator licences, no insurance, etcetcetc.  All it takes is re-imagining what we passed up (refer back to &quot;testosterone comment).  Cost?  anybody note the recent spreads (WSJ) about Lithium mining, whos the &quot;saudi Arabia (not Red China), whats there political situation etc??  Li is currently cheap, but wait till the market takes off.  Can anybody say &quot;ground floor oportunity knocks?&quot; ,   well, consider the (mine location!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see, As Usual, a bunch of testosterone drooling going on here- &#8220;nascarev&#8221; indeed.  What I see that I do appreciate?  a battery that can recharge while I sip the morning latte, or while I buy the weekly groceries.  I don&#8217;t really need a shorter pitstop on transcontinental road trips (but range would be a plus there)  I am personally against &#8220;cars&#8221; be sure.  Too fast, too expensive, too regulated.  Give me a bike for 2 or 3 plus luggage, no onerous regs, no permits, no operator licences, no insurance, etcetcetc.  All it takes is re-imagining what we passed up (refer back to &#8220;testosterone comment).  Cost?  anybody note the recent spreads (WSJ) about Lithium mining, whos the &#8220;saudi Arabia (not Red China), whats there political situation etc??  Li is currently cheap, but wait till the market takes off.  Can anybody say &#8220;ground floor oportunity knocks?&#8221; ,   well, consider the (mine location!)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 04:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This development doesn&#039;t help in the areas where help is needed.
Applying greater current densities to charge a battery faster does
not strike me as being safe at all.  Worse, the argument that you
can plug in anywhere goes out the window if a standard outlet
won&#039;t do.

The answer for quick recharge is a different kind of battery called
a fuel cell.  If your fuel cell cell doesn&#039;t use platinum, it may be cheap
enough to be practical.  Unfortunately, no automaker that I know of
is releasing platinum free fuel cell prototypes.  Carbon is a wonderful material when it is nanostructured for replacing platinum.

If a quick charge Lithium ION battery costs more than a conventional one or it doesn&#039;t last as long, this technology is
useless on the Volt.  Already, it has been shown that the Volt
isn&#039;t economical.  I&#039;d rather spend too much on a fuel cell than
a Lithium ION battery.

Quick charge is 3 minutes, the time it takes to refuel the typical
fuel cell prototype car.  With the adoption of Hydrnol and the replacement of the high pressure or cryogenic tank with a dual
chamber Hydrnol tank, hydrogen becomes very attractive.
Hydrnol will be available along the I-5 corridor from California up
into British Columbia in 18-24 months.

http://www.asemblon.com/hydrnol/faq</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This development doesn&#8217;t help in the areas where help is needed.<br />
Applying greater current densities to charge a battery faster does<br />
not strike me as being safe at all.  Worse, the argument that you<br />
can plug in anywhere goes out the window if a standard outlet<br />
won&#8217;t do.</p>
<p>The answer for quick recharge is a different kind of battery called<br />
a fuel cell.  If your fuel cell cell doesn&#8217;t use platinum, it may be cheap<br />
enough to be practical.  Unfortunately, no automaker that I know of<br />
is releasing platinum free fuel cell prototypes.  Carbon is a wonderful material when it is nanostructured for replacing platinum.</p>
<p>If a quick charge Lithium ION battery costs more than a conventional one or it doesn&#8217;t last as long, this technology is<br />
useless on the Volt.  Already, it has been shown that the Volt<br />
isn&#8217;t economical.  I&#8217;d rather spend too much on a fuel cell than<br />
a Lithium ION battery.</p>
<p>Quick charge is 3 minutes, the time it takes to refuel the typical<br />
fuel cell prototype car.  With the adoption of Hydrnol and the replacement of the high pressure or cryogenic tank with a dual<br />
chamber Hydrnol tank, hydrogen becomes very attractive.<br />
Hydrnol will be available along the I-5 corridor from California up<br />
into British Columbia in 18-24 months.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.asemblon.com/hydrnol/faq" rel="nofollow">http://www.asemblon.com/hydrnol/faq</a></p>
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		<title>By: Volt Contenders &#124; The CarGurus Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Volt Contenders &#124; The CarGurus Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] development announced this week may give a future boost to the hybrid concept. MIT scientists have created a new [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Santa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Santa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>156 nataraj Says:

You got it right there. Anyone who says different is a muppet.........

High Energy/Weight + Quick charge.. Game over. Oh and High Volume = Low Cost     It really is that simple</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>156 nataraj Says:</p>
<p>You got it right there. Anyone who says different is a muppet&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>High Energy/Weight + Quick charge.. Game over. Oh and High Volume = Low Cost     It really is that simple</p>
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		<title>By: noel park</title>
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		<dc:creator>noel park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#133 Overload:

Well I guess you could say the same about me, LOL.  I think that every comment is valuable.  It&#039;s a numbers game in a way, IMHO.  If the Washington Post ever finds &quot;The Mystery Site&quot;, I think that they know enough to get the message of all of these thousands of comments.

I may not always agree with him !00%, but I would be the first to say that Dave G is doing great work here.  BLOG ON DAVE G.!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#133 Overload:</p>
<p>Well I guess you could say the same about me, LOL.  I think that every comment is valuable.  It&#8217;s a numbers game in a way, IMHO.  If the Washington Post ever finds &#8220;The Mystery Site&#8221;, I think that they know enough to get the message of all of these thousands of comments.</p>
<p>I may not always agree with him !00%, but I would be the first to say that Dave G is doing great work here.  BLOG ON DAVE G.!</p>
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		<title>By: noel park</title>
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		<dc:creator>noel park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#134 JEC:

Well I guess you&#039;ve got me there.  Instead of &quot;There&#039;s no substitute for cubic inches&quot;, I guess now it&#039;s gonna be &quot;There&#039;s no substitue for volts&quot;.

#140 bruce g:

Brownouts are very rare here too.  In SoCal we actually had a few &quot;rolling blackouts&quot; several years ago.  Just enough to make me run out and buy a generator to keep the shop phones going.  There has never been another one since, and the generator has never been used.  We start it up once in awhile just for drill.

So, as many have wisely said above, this is a problem we need to stay ahead of somehow, but it&#039;s not likely that PHEVs are going to create a catastrophe in the next few years.  God send that we should have such a problem, eh?

#147 Jeffhre:

Well I hate to get into the English wars, but I think that the plural of &quot;yawll&quot; is &quot;yawll&quot;.  As in &quot;you all&quot;.  I have always seen it spelled as sort of &quot;y&#039;all&quot;, but who am I to argue with Capt Jack?

#154 Inhaling in L.A.:

I have lived in L.A. most of my life.  My advice is not to.

(Sorry, couldn&#039;t resist.)

#155 D.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#134 JEC:</p>
<p>Well I guess you&#8217;ve got me there.  Instead of &#8220;There&#8217;s no substitute for cubic inches&#8221;, I guess now it&#8217;s gonna be &#8220;There&#8217;s no substitue for volts&#8221;.</p>
<p>#140 bruce g:</p>
<p>Brownouts are very rare here too.  In SoCal we actually had a few &#8220;rolling blackouts&#8221; several years ago.  Just enough to make me run out and buy a generator to keep the shop phones going.  There has never been another one since, and the generator has never been used.  We start it up once in awhile just for drill.</p>
<p>So, as many have wisely said above, this is a problem we need to stay ahead of somehow, but it&#8217;s not likely that PHEVs are going to create a catastrophe in the next few years.  God send that we should have such a problem, eh?</p>
<p>#147 Jeffhre:</p>
<p>Well I hate to get into the English wars, but I think that the plural of &#8220;yawll&#8221; is &#8220;yawll&#8221;.  As in &#8220;you all&#8221;.  I have always seen it spelled as sort of &#8220;y&#8217;all&#8221;, but who am I to argue with Capt Jack?</p>
<p>#154 Inhaling in L.A.:</p>
<p>I have lived in L.A. most of my life.  My advice is not to.</p>
<p>(Sorry, couldn&#8217;t resist.)</p>
<p>#155 D.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m right with you there.</p>
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		<title>By: nataraj</title>
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		<dc:creator>nataraj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“an EV is only interested in Energy Density (Wh/kg and Wh/Liter) and the cost of that energy ($/kWh)… they will never use the (new) technology.”

The stupidity of this statement is astounding. Equivalent to IBM thinking a few decades back that the world needs no more than a handful of computers.

Quick charge the MAIN reason why we are even talking about a EV with range extension. If you can get quick recharges in all gas stations, why would we need range extension at all ? All we would need is a 200 mile or so range of EV and a quick stop for recharging on our long trips.

Quick charge is as important as high energy density to make EV practical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“an EV is only interested in Energy Density (Wh/kg and Wh/Liter) and the cost of that energy ($/kWh)… they will never use the (new) technology.”</p>
<p>The stupidity of this statement is astounding. Equivalent to IBM thinking a few decades back that the world needs no more than a handful of computers.</p>
<p>Quick charge the MAIN reason why we are even talking about a EV with range extension. If you can get quick recharges in all gas stations, why would we need range extension at all ? All we would need is a 200 mile or so range of EV and a quick stop for recharging on our long trips.</p>
<p>Quick charge is as important as high energy density to make EV practical.</p>
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		<title>By: D.</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 14:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thread tells me, evs are coming down the pike sooner rather than later.  GM had better get busy working on a pure EV. An Aptera-like vehicle for a coupla passengers, with a quick-charging  100 mile, plus or minus,range/charge battery will suit a big chunk of the population, will get many of us where we need to go most of the time.  more than the volt, likely. .. One  problem yet to be worked out with pure EV?- How to keep the battery at optimal working temperature in  hot or cold climates?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thread tells me, evs are coming down the pike sooner rather than later.  GM had better get busy working on a pure EV. An Aptera-like vehicle for a coupla passengers, with a quick-charging  100 mile, plus or minus,range/charge battery will suit a big chunk of the population, will get many of us where we need to go most of the time.  more than the volt, likely. .. One  problem yet to be worked out with pure EV?- How to keep the battery at optimal working temperature in  hot or cold climates?</p>
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