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		<title>By: Minnis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Minnis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 05:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great post, thanks for providing so much.  Keep up the good posts.! www.hoover-f5914900.com</description>
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		<title>By: LauraM</title>
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		<dc:creator>LauraM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>107 BillR/ #112 CaptJackSparrow

By normal (i.e. before september 2008) exchange rates, 20,000 pounds equaled roughly 40,000 dollars.  The British pound has fallen off a cliff since then, but that figure is probably based on the pound making a comeback by 2012.  Since the pound hasn&#039;t been this low in  years, I don&#039;t think that that&#039;s an unreasonable assumption.  

Personally, I&#039;m hoping that they&#039;re also building economies of scale into that figure.  And they&#039;ll reduce the price for everyone by then.    Including us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>107 BillR/ #112 CaptJackSparrow</p>
<p>By normal (i.e. before september 2008) exchange rates, 20,000 pounds equaled roughly 40,000 dollars.  The British pound has fallen off a cliff since then, but that figure is probably based on the pound making a comeback by 2012.  Since the pound hasn&#8217;t been this low in  years, I don&#8217;t think that that&#8217;s an unreasonable assumption.  </p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;m hoping that they&#8217;re also building economies of scale into that figure.  And they&#8217;ll reduce the price for everyone by then.    Including us.</p>
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		<title>By: noel park</title>
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		<dc:creator>noel park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t open the next thread, with the video of the visit to GM.  Is anyone else having the same problem?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t open the next thread, with the video of the visit to GM.  Is anyone else having the same problem?</p>
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		<title>By: The Grump</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Grump</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many posters here don&#039;t understand the difference between chapter 7 and chapter 11 bankruptcy - they just talk about GM being &quot;destroyed&quot;. Therefore, as a public service, I have provided a short description of the two bankruptcy types in this thread. 
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- Under a chapter 11, the debtor may seek an adjustment of debts, either by reducing the debt or by extending the time for repayment, or may seek a more comprehensive reorganization.
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- A chapter 7 bankruptcy case does not involve the filing of a plan of repayment as in chapter 11. Instead, the bankruptcy trustee gathers and sells the debtor&#039;s nonexempt assets and uses the proceeds of such assets to pay holders of claims (creditors) in accordance with the provisions of the Bankruptcy Code.
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#105 N Riley - GM can continue to operate under chapter 11. The big difference - Every financial report would be submitted to the bankruptcy court. GM would really be under the gun to improve their profits, but GM&#039;s problems would be shared fairly with all their debtors - the UAW, retirees, dealers, suppliers, and the biggest villain in this sorry drama - the shareholders. They voted for Wagner, over and over, while he fiddled, and GM burned. And quite possibly, the court would allow payment to Gm&#039;s suppliers as vital to GM&#039;s success. The court has that ability to selectively choose who gets what, and when.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many posters here don&#8217;t understand the difference between chapter 7 and chapter 11 bankruptcy &#8211; they just talk about GM being &#8220;destroyed&#8221;. Therefore, as a public service, I have provided a short description of the two bankruptcy types in this thread.<br />
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- Under a chapter 11, the debtor may seek an adjustment of debts, either by reducing the debt or by extending the time for repayment, or may seek a more comprehensive reorganization.<br />
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- A chapter 7 bankruptcy case does not involve the filing of a plan of repayment as in chapter 11. Instead, the bankruptcy trustee gathers and sells the debtor&#8217;s nonexempt assets and uses the proceeds of such assets to pay holders of claims (creditors) in accordance with the provisions of the Bankruptcy Code.<br />
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#105 N Riley &#8211; GM can continue to operate under chapter 11. The big difference &#8211; Every financial report would be submitted to the bankruptcy court. GM would really be under the gun to improve their profits, but GM&#8217;s problems would be shared fairly with all their debtors &#8211; the UAW, retirees, dealers, suppliers, and the biggest villain in this sorry drama &#8211; the shareholders. They voted for Wagner, over and over, while he fiddled, and GM burned. And quite possibly, the court would allow payment to Gm&#8217;s suppliers as vital to GM&#8217;s success. The court has that ability to selectively choose who gets what, and when.</p>
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		<title>By: GM's marketing must have been in charge</title>
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		<dc:creator>GM's marketing must have been in charge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Detroit Freep:
&quot;President Obama’s automotive task force… panel…today took a private tour today of General Motors Corp. and Chrysler facilities, traveling around Metro Detroit in a 2009 Jeep Grand Cherokee.&quot; 

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/2008car1tablef.jsp?id=26181

2009 Jeep Grand Cherokee = 12 mpg combined fuel economy, the worst of all SUVs of any size.

Way to send a mixed message to Detroit and the nation, automakers. Talk about cognitive dissonance.

Or do Detroit streets now count as rugged, extreme off-roading? Also, what were they towing, air?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Detroit Freep:<br />
&#8220;President Obama’s automotive task force… panel…today took a private tour today of General Motors Corp. and Chrysler facilities, traveling around Metro Detroit in a 2009 Jeep Grand Cherokee.&#8221; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/2008car1tablef.jsp?id=26181" rel="nofollow">http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/2008car1tablef.jsp?id=26181</a></p>
<p>2009 Jeep Grand Cherokee = 12 mpg combined fuel economy, the worst of all SUVs of any size.</p>
<p>Way to send a mixed message to Detroit and the nation, automakers. Talk about cognitive dissonance.</p>
<p>Or do Detroit streets now count as rugged, extreme off-roading? Also, what were they towing, air?</p>
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		<title>By: CaptJackSparrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>CaptJackSparrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the link:
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/ampera-confirmed-for-the-uk-market-4795.html

As you all know by now, the car needs to be charged. Even if it is designed to draw its power from a 240V household outlet, it won&#039;t do you any good if you are miles away from any house and have no socket to stick your plug into.

Now this is the kind of shlt that scares people out of the technology. Sure it was mentioned that the ICE kicks in for additional range but you do NOT &quot;have&quot; to plug it in ALL THE TIME thus requiring a whole new infrastructure.

WTF man?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the link:<br />
<a href="http://www.autoevolution.com/news/ampera-confirmed-for-the-uk-market-4795.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.autoevolution.com/news/ampera-confirmed-for-the-uk-market-4795.html</a></p>
<p>As you all know by now, the car needs to be charged. Even if it is designed to draw its power from a 240V household outlet, it won&#8217;t do you any good if you are miles away from any house and have no socket to stick your plug into.</p>
<p>Now this is the kind of shlt that scares people out of the technology. Sure it was mentioned that the ICE kicks in for additional range but you do NOT &#8220;have&#8221; to plug it in ALL THE TIME thus requiring a whole new infrastructure.</p>
<p>WTF man?</p>
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		<title>By: CaptJackSparrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>CaptJackSparrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t that just funny how it is expected to be less expensive there than what they can sell it to us for?

OK, so here&#039;s where all of you &quot;Buy American&quot; to support &quot;American&quot; jobs need to come in and explain this to me as to why, what you call an &quot;American&quot; company, can do this to us....


I’ll take my Volt with No Generator, No ICE, ShAkEn not StirreD…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t that just funny how it is expected to be less expensive there than what they can sell it to us for?</p>
<p>OK, so here&#8217;s where all of you &#8220;Buy American&#8221; to support &#8220;American&#8221; jobs need to come in and explain this to me as to why, what you call an &#8220;American&#8221; company, can do this to us&#8230;.</p>
<p>I’ll take my Volt with No Generator, No ICE, ShAkEn not StirreD…</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as the task force learns everything about the VOLT and enjoys the test drive, that can only be a good thing for GM and VOLT.

Every day is another day closer to purchasing a VOLT and giving GM some hard earned money to: &quot;Enjoy the future of motoring today!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as the task force learns everything about the VOLT and enjoys the test drive, that can only be a good thing for GM and VOLT.</p>
<p>Every day is another day closer to purchasing a VOLT and giving GM some hard earned money to: &#8220;Enjoy the future of motoring today!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Timaaayyy!!!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timaaayyy!!!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#107 BillR

Wait a second:

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/ampera-confirmed-for-the-uk-market-4795.html

&quot;Official pricing for the Ampera has not been announced, as some reported, but rumors set the tag for the car at around 20,000 pounds. &quot;

Can you confirm the 20k lbs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#107 BillR</p>
<p>Wait a second:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.autoevolution.com/news/ampera-confirmed-for-the-uk-market-4795.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.autoevolution.com/news/ampera-confirmed-for-the-uk-market-4795.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Official pricing for the Ampera has not been announced, as some reported, but rumors set the tag for the car at around 20,000 pounds. &#8221;</p>
<p>Can you confirm the 20k lbs?</p>
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		<title>By: nuclearboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>nuclearboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#72.

I take offense to your language about the honorable Nancy Pelosi.  

She is not fat. 

 I am kinda fat and if she is fat then I am a whale.

As far as being a typical govt beurecrat who is drunk with power, I am with you on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#72.</p>
<p>I take offense to your language about the honorable Nancy Pelosi.  </p>
<p>She is not fat. </p>
<p> I am kinda fat and if she is fat then I am a whale.</p>
<p>As far as being a typical govt beurecrat who is drunk with power, I am with you on that.</p>
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