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	<title>Comments on: Study: Cost of Chevy Volt Limits its Value to Drivers</title>
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		<title>By: Lokki</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2009/02/26/study-cost-of-chevy-volt-limits-its-value-to-drivers/#comment-103048</link>
		<dc:creator>Lokki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;You do not recognize that economic warfare is conducted by Japan, and many non tariff barriers including one-by-one inspections of foreign imported vehicles is the reason as to why there is a tiny foreign presence. Our domestic automakers foreign affiliates, and the European makers build plenty of small, fuel efficient vehicles that fit the Japanese markets, yet there is still only a tiny presence&lt;/i&gt;

Stas - You&#039;re fighting the last war, and fighting it with bad data. I&#039;ve just come back from a 3 week trip to Japan, and I&#039;ve been making regular annual visits for the past 20 years. 

The reason that the Japanese don&#039;t buy many &quot;small fuel efficient European&quot; cars is that they have at least six domestic makers competing in the Kei market Toyota, Honda, Madza, Suzuki, Daihatsu, Nissan. These small cars comprise roughly 60 percent of Japan&#039;s car market.  Most of these cars advertise that they&#039;ll get roughly 25Kilometers/Liter (roughly 60 mpg).  

It&#039;s very hard (and foolish) for a foreign maker to come in and sell a low cost car in this kind of fiercely competitive market environment, as profit margins are very small. Instead, foreign companies have focused on their status value and luxury value, just as BMW and Mercedes do in the U.S.  During my most recent trip in late Feb/early March, the most commonly sighted foreign cars were VW&#039;s, then Mercedes then BMW, followed by a smattering of other makes. I did see a few Mini&#039;s and a Smart, but most imports were status vehicles. 

By the way, the single vehicle inspections at import went out in the 80&#039;s. Yes, they did exist, but so did dinosaurs at one point. 

Finally, Toyota even tried selling Cavaliers as Toyota back in the 90&#039;s with very little success.... you can look it up.  Suzuki currently sells a few cars badged as Chevrolets, but they&#039;re really Suzuki&#039;s in bowties.

Now let&#039;s stop the Japan bashing, and get back to the Volt. 

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You do not recognize that economic warfare is conducted by Japan, and many non tariff barriers including one-by-one inspections of foreign imported vehicles is the reason as to why there is a tiny foreign presence. Our domestic automakers foreign affiliates, and the European makers build plenty of small, fuel efficient vehicles that fit the Japanese markets, yet there is still only a tiny presence</i></p>
<p>Stas &#8211; You&#8217;re fighting the last war, and fighting it with bad data. I&#8217;ve just come back from a 3 week trip to Japan, and I&#8217;ve been making regular annual visits for the past 20 years. </p>
<p>The reason that the Japanese don&#8217;t buy many &#8220;small fuel efficient European&#8221; cars is that they have at least six domestic makers competing in the Kei market Toyota, Honda, Madza, Suzuki, Daihatsu, Nissan. These small cars comprise roughly 60 percent of Japan&#8217;s car market.  Most of these cars advertise that they&#8217;ll get roughly 25Kilometers/Liter (roughly 60 mpg).  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s very hard (and foolish) for a foreign maker to come in and sell a low cost car in this kind of fiercely competitive market environment, as profit margins are very small. Instead, foreign companies have focused on their status value and luxury value, just as BMW and Mercedes do in the U.S.  During my most recent trip in late Feb/early March, the most commonly sighted foreign cars were VW&#8217;s, then Mercedes then BMW, followed by a smattering of other makes. I did see a few Mini&#8217;s and a Smart, but most imports were status vehicles. </p>
<p>By the way, the single vehicle inspections at import went out in the 80&#8217;s. Yes, they did exist, but so did dinosaurs at one point. </p>
<p>Finally, Toyota even tried selling Cavaliers as Toyota back in the 90&#8217;s with very little success&#8230;. you can look it up.  Suzuki currently sells a few cars badged as Chevrolets, but they&#8217;re really Suzuki&#8217;s in bowties.</p>
<p>Now let&#8217;s stop the Japan bashing, and get back to the Volt. </p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: stas peterson</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2009/02/26/study-cost-of-chevy-volt-limits-its-value-to-drivers/#comment-98232</link>
		<dc:creator>stas peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 20:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE; carcus

There is no reasonable engineeering expectation that a  Chevy Volt running its engine won&#039;t have similar or better performance than a Prius&#039; 12.5 seconds to 60. A Prius  with its 1.4 liter engine is no different than what you can expect form a Volt 1.4 liter genset engine.  

As for 50 mpg, If the Prius 1.4 can do it, running at all different rpms, the  EREV architecture so much more efficient when run at near constant and optimized rpm, cannot achieve better is a ridiculous engineering assertion.

You do not recognize that economic warfare is conducted by Japan, and many non tariff barriers including one-by-one inspections of foreign imported vehicles is the reason as to why there is a tiny foreign presence.   Our domestic automakers foreign affiliates,  and the European makers build plenty of small, fuel efficient vehicles that fit the Japanese markets, yet there is still only a tiny presence. Your answer makes no sense.</description>
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<p>There is no reasonable engineeering expectation that a  Chevy Volt running its engine won&#8217;t have similar or better performance than a Prius&#8217; 12.5 seconds to 60. A Prius  with its 1.4 liter engine is no different than what you can expect form a Volt 1.4 liter genset engine.  </p>
<p>As for 50 mpg, If the Prius 1.4 can do it, running at all different rpms, the  EREV architecture so much more efficient when run at near constant and optimized rpm, cannot achieve better is a ridiculous engineering assertion.</p>
<p>You do not recognize that economic warfare is conducted by Japan, and many non tariff barriers including one-by-one inspections of foreign imported vehicles is the reason as to why there is a tiny foreign presence.   Our domestic automakers foreign affiliates,  and the European makers build plenty of small, fuel efficient vehicles that fit the Japanese markets, yet there is still only a tiny presence. Your answer makes no sense.</p>
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		<title>By: AutoElectric</title>
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		<dc:creator>AutoElectric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My colleague pays (Switzerland prices) $29,000 over four years in gasoline.  He drives 63 miles per day to and from work.  Even if we couldn&#039;t charge the battery at work (we will be) it still makes financial sense.

I live really near, and I would be able to drive a whole WEEK without a drop of gasoline, and charge only on weekends.

Sorry, this Toyota sponsored study just doesn&#039;t hold water for me.

I want this car or something like it very soon.  I don&#039;t want to send my money to countries that sponsor terrorism or religion/government (often quite the same) that finds my lifestyle repugnant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My colleague pays (Switzerland prices) $29,000 over four years in gasoline.  He drives 63 miles per day to and from work.  Even if we couldn&#8217;t charge the battery at work (we will be) it still makes financial sense.</p>
<p>I live really near, and I would be able to drive a whole WEEK without a drop of gasoline, and charge only on weekends.</p>
<p>Sorry, this Toyota sponsored study just doesn&#8217;t hold water for me.</p>
<p>I want this car or something like it very soon.  I don&#8217;t want to send my money to countries that sponsor terrorism or religion/government (often quite the same) that finds my lifestyle repugnant.</p>
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		<title>By: stopcrazypp</title>
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		<dc:creator>stopcrazypp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 02:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toyota’s Bill Reinert was the same guy two talked about a death watch for the Volt, Karma, and the Tesla Model S, let&#039;s just say he&#039;s not going to give the most balanced analysis.

@Wayne, Nick

While $40k is certainly out of the &quot;affordable&quot; category, it&#039;s not really only for the rich; a mid-upper middle class family can probably afford one. I imagine the 2nd gen, 3rd gen would be much lower in price. There&#039;s a lot of cost cutting that can be done in a complex car like this, and given they are rushing for a deadline, they probably haven&#039;t done it all yet for the Volt. There&#039;s also factor of the scale of production for the battery, which plays a big role in the cost for the car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toyota’s Bill Reinert was the same guy two talked about a death watch for the Volt, Karma, and the Tesla Model S, let&#8217;s just say he&#8217;s not going to give the most balanced analysis.</p>
<p>@Wayne, Nick</p>
<p>While $40k is certainly out of the &#8220;affordable&#8221; category, it&#8217;s not really only for the rich; a mid-upper middle class family can probably afford one. I imagine the 2nd gen, 3rd gen would be much lower in price. There&#8217;s a lot of cost cutting that can be done in a complex car like this, and given they are rushing for a deadline, they probably haven&#8217;t done it all yet for the Volt. There&#8217;s also factor of the scale of production for the battery, which plays a big role in the cost for the car.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 22:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wayne: how asinine of you. I&#039;ve heard lots of people use the line &quot;toy for the rich,&quot; as an argument against Volt, Tesla, and others. Do people like you realize who started that meme? Elon Musk was the one who described the Roadster that way. He said all new technologies begin like this, and that&#039;s the point. The first ICE cars were toys for the rich, too. Get is straight. And since when do you have to be &quot;rich,&quot; to have a $40,000 car?

You&#039;re saying the Volt is comparable to a $20,000 ICE car? I&#039;d give it more credit than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne: how asinine of you. I&#8217;ve heard lots of people use the line &#8220;toy for the rich,&#8221; as an argument against Volt, Tesla, and others. Do people like you realize who started that meme? Elon Musk was the one who described the Roadster that way. He said all new technologies begin like this, and that&#8217;s the point. The first ICE cars were toys for the rich, too. Get is straight. And since when do you have to be &#8220;rich,&#8221; to have a $40,000 car?</p>
<p>You&#8217;re saying the Volt is comparable to a $20,000 ICE car? I&#8217;d give it more credit than that.</p>
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