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	<title>Comments on: GM Plans to Produce Two Extended Range Electric Vehicles in Addition to the Volt in 2012</title>
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		<title>By: wwskinn3</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2009/02/18/gm-plans-to-produce-two-additional-voltec-vehilces-besides-the-volt-in-2012/#comment-96731</link>
		<dc:creator>wwskinn3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to know what this Volt Technology would do in a small 2 seater like the Saturn Sky.  Anybody have any idea?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to know what this Volt Technology would do in a small 2 seater like the Saturn Sky.  Anybody have any idea?</p>
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		<title>By: john1701a</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2009/02/18/gm-plans-to-produce-two-additional-voltec-vehilces-besides-the-volt-in-2012/#comment-96403</link>
		<dc:creator>john1701a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 04:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Diesel is no dirtier than gas if filtered like VW did. If it passes CARB...&lt;/i&gt;
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Meeting minimum requirements is hardly green.  That&#039;s why there are emission ratings.  

Those diesels only deliver &lt;b&gt;T2B5&lt;/b&gt;, very dirty by non-hybrid gas vehicle standards and certainly nothing to be proud of.

&lt;b&gt;SULEV&lt;/b&gt; is where the true rating level of clean begins... which has proven cost prohibitive for diesel systems so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Diesel is no dirtier than gas if filtered like VW did. If it passes CARB&#8230;</i><br />
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<p>Meeting minimum requirements is hardly green.  That&#8217;s why there are emission ratings.  </p>
<p>Those diesels only deliver <b>T2B5</b>, very dirty by non-hybrid gas vehicle standards and certainly nothing to be proud of.</p>
<p><b>SULEV</b> is where the true rating level of clean begins&#8230; which has proven cost prohibitive for diesel systems so far.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2009/02/18/gm-plans-to-produce-two-additional-voltec-vehilces-besides-the-volt-in-2012/#comment-96358</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments noel park.  I can imagine how larger diesel engines could cause a problem.  Diesel isn&#039;t perfect...if I ever go diesel I will think about it carefully.  Certainly living someplace where the price differential was similar to CA would influence my thinking.  Being a VW fan, I see their diesel engines as the only way I might ever reconcile my love of their cars and my equally powerful &quot;green&quot; streak.  Plus I love to drive stick, something that can&#039;t be done with most hybrids or electric cars of course.

I hope diesel finds a place in America&#039;s green portfolio, if only for the selfish reasons listed above.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments noel park.  I can imagine how larger diesel engines could cause a problem.  Diesel isn&#8217;t perfect&#8230;if I ever go diesel I will think about it carefully.  Certainly living someplace where the price differential was similar to CA would influence my thinking.  Being a VW fan, I see their diesel engines as the only way I might ever reconcile my love of their cars and my equally powerful &#8220;green&#8221; streak.  Plus I love to drive stick, something that can&#8217;t be done with most hybrids or electric cars of course.</p>
<p>I hope diesel finds a place in America&#8217;s green portfolio, if only for the selfish reasons listed above.  <img src='http://gm-volt.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: noel park</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2009/02/18/gm-plans-to-produce-two-additional-voltec-vehilces-besides-the-volt-in-2012/#comment-96296</link>
		<dc:creator>noel park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#110 Jake, et al:

In California, diesel cars must meet the same emissions regulations as gas cars.  That is why diesels have not been available here for the last few years.  The urea technology was developed to get to these standards.  

It is true the smaller engines - 2 liters and under - have been able to meet these standards without the urea.  The Volks TDI does not use it.  Neither will the upcoming Honda diesel Accord.

In SoCal today diesel is actually cheaper than 87 octane unleaded again.  As we speak, unleaded is $2.17 and diesel $2.11 at the station right across the street.

Diesel particulates from heavy equipment, trucks, tugboats and ocean going ships are an environmental disaster in SoCal.  I have worked very hard on this issue, and know a bit about it.  These cars, however, are much, much, better.  And you are right, they do make a lot less CO2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#110 Jake, et al:</p>
<p>In California, diesel cars must meet the same emissions regulations as gas cars.  That is why diesels have not been available here for the last few years.  The urea technology was developed to get to these standards.  </p>
<p>It is true the smaller engines &#8211; 2 liters and under &#8211; have been able to meet these standards without the urea.  The Volks TDI does not use it.  Neither will the upcoming Honda diesel Accord.</p>
<p>In SoCal today diesel is actually cheaper than 87 octane unleaded again.  As we speak, unleaded is $2.17 and diesel $2.11 at the station right across the street.</p>
<p>Diesel particulates from heavy equipment, trucks, tugboats and ocean going ships are an environmental disaster in SoCal.  I have worked very hard on this issue, and know a bit about it.  These cars, however, are much, much, better.  And you are right, they do make a lot less CO2.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2009/02/18/gm-plans-to-produce-two-additional-voltec-vehilces-besides-the-volt-in-2012/#comment-96247</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diesel also produces less CO2 than the equivalent gasoline engine.  The benefit increases if you run biodiesel.  No they are not the cleanest engines out there but I think it&#039;s unfair to say that the new diesels only &quot;just barely&quot; meet emissions requirements.  That would mean that many gasoline cars &quot;just barely&quot; meet the minimum requirements, since the VW Jetta TDI conforms to the same standards as many gas vehicles.

It&#039;s a wonder how Europe has survived for so long with these terrible diesels making up 50% of their automotive fleet.  Come on guys, is now really the time to start rejecting such proven technology on the basis of yesterday&#039;s stereotypes?  If auto makers can produce Li-Ion electric cars I bet they can come up with some pretty refined, environmentally-friendly diesels.  Just my $0.02.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diesel also produces less CO2 than the equivalent gasoline engine.  The benefit increases if you run biodiesel.  No they are not the cleanest engines out there but I think it&#8217;s unfair to say that the new diesels only &#8220;just barely&#8221; meet emissions requirements.  That would mean that many gasoline cars &#8220;just barely&#8221; meet the minimum requirements, since the VW Jetta TDI conforms to the same standards as many gas vehicles.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a wonder how Europe has survived for so long with these terrible diesels making up 50% of their automotive fleet.  Come on guys, is now really the time to start rejecting such proven technology on the basis of yesterday&#8217;s stereotypes?  If auto makers can produce Li-Ion electric cars I bet they can come up with some pretty refined, environmentally-friendly diesels.  Just my $0.02.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adrian, you are just wrong.  Diesels produce far more particulates and NOx.  To sell Diesels, OEMs (like VW) will add only as much cost as is needed to just barely meet the maximum legally allowed emissions.  This will just keep getting more expensive (and less fuel efficient) as the emissions requirements are tightened in the future.  For gasoline engines, on the other hand, there is no particular hardware cost to keep particulates and NOx well below the legal limits; it is just a matter of how well one controls the fuel metering and spark timing.

On a separate subject:  Hydrogen is a non-starter.  The cost and emissions required to make, distribute, and store the stuff exceeds nearly all of the alternatives!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrian, you are just wrong.  Diesels produce far more particulates and NOx.  To sell Diesels, OEMs (like VW) will add only as much cost as is needed to just barely meet the maximum legally allowed emissions.  This will just keep getting more expensive (and less fuel efficient) as the emissions requirements are tightened in the future.  For gasoline engines, on the other hand, there is no particular hardware cost to keep particulates and NOx well below the legal limits; it is just a matter of how well one controls the fuel metering and spark timing.</p>
<p>On a separate subject:  Hydrogen is a non-starter.  The cost and emissions required to make, distribute, and store the stuff exceeds nearly all of the alternatives!</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 15:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hang on a minute I thought fuel cells were dead!</description>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diesel is no dirtier than gas if filtered like VW did.  If it passes CARB, we all just need to get over our silly dislike for diesel engines.  IF you don&#039;t like oil diesel, go green and use filtered french fry oil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diesel is no dirtier than gas if filtered like VW did.  If it passes CARB, we all just need to get over our silly dislike for diesel engines.  IF you don&#8217;t like oil diesel, go green and use filtered french fry oil.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2009/02/18/gm-plans-to-produce-two-additional-voltec-vehilces-besides-the-volt-in-2012/#comment-96199</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can have diesel and USA/Canada pumped oil with electric vehicles.  We have more enough oil in our borders to get us through the next 10 years until realistic oil replacements are perfected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can have diesel and USA/Canada pumped oil with electric vehicles.  We have more enough oil in our borders to get us through the next 10 years until realistic oil replacements are perfected.</p>
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		<title>By: John Bailo</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Bailo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 06:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hydrogen is the only answer.  Battery technology for cars as we know them just doesn&#039;t exist.   The only people rooting for plugins are the electric power companies which would love to have people leave giant batteries in every home connected to the grid, draining electricity (most of it dissipated as heat into the garage) by the kilowatthour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hydrogen is the only answer.  Battery technology for cars as we know them just doesn&#8217;t exist.   The only people rooting for plugins are the electric power companies which would love to have people leave giant batteries in every home connected to the grid, draining electricity (most of it dissipated as heat into the garage) by the kilowatthour.</p>
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