Comments on: GM Denies San Francisco and Washington DC Have Been Chosen Yet to Get First Chevy Volts http://gm-volt.com/2009/02/05/gm-denies-san-francisco-and-washington-dc-have-been-chosen-yet-to-get-first-chevy-volts/ Real-time news, information, and discussion about the Chevrolet Volt. Fri, 25 May 2012 18:42:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: rgw http://gm-volt.com/2009/02/05/gm-denies-san-francisco-and-washington-dc-have-been-chosen-yet-to-get-first-chevy-volts/#comment-186152 rgw Thu, 01 Apr 2010 18:21:39 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1508#comment-186152 Charging Stations?? Gas Stations ?? Ummm let me think a bit...DONE...Inverters/Converters/Step Down/UP...Let me think...110v house current 20amp circuit....Ummmm I need a Charging Station(s)...Oh yes forgot...CHEVRON still holding Pat. on Battery Tech?? they BOUGHT from GM.. There is a way...INEXPENSIVE......WAKE UP PEOPLE..... EV1.ORG...or even the concept LOTUS ZAP was working on....it's layout and concept>>cheaply>>could happen<< Charging Stations?? Gas Stations ?? Ummm let me think a bit…DONE…Inverters/Converters/Step Down/UP…Let me think…110v house current 20amp circuit….Ummmm I need a Charging Station(s)…Oh yes forgot…CHEVRON still holding Pat. on Battery Tech?? they BOUGHT from GM..
There is a way…INEXPENSIVE……WAKE UP PEOPLE…..
EV1.ORG…or even the concept LOTUS ZAP was working on….it’s layout and concept>>cheaply>>could happen<<

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]]> By: Zero X Owner http://gm-volt.com/2009/02/05/gm-denies-san-francisco-and-washington-dc-have-been-chosen-yet-to-get-first-chevy-volts/#comment-94721 Zero X Owner Wed, 11 Feb 2009 02:02:11 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1508#comment-94721 Van, 1. Yes, when measuring only energy efficiency, and when some of the energy comes from something other than liquid fuel, fuel cost is meaningless. 2. Yes, when only trying to measure energy efficiency, cost is irrelevant. Energy "depletion" is goobledegook. Perhaps you mean energy use, which is reported in kWh / 100 miles. Perhaps you mean cost efficiency, a different concept. 3. I'm so glad that you finally understand how energy efficiency works. Good luck with your homework. Van,

1. Yes, when measuring only energy efficiency, and when some of the energy comes from something other than liquid fuel, fuel cost is meaningless.

2. Yes, when only trying to measure energy efficiency, cost is irrelevant. Energy “depletion” is goobledegook. Perhaps you mean energy use, which is reported in kWh / 100 miles. Perhaps you mean cost efficiency, a different concept.

3. I’m so glad that you finally understand how energy efficiency works. Good luck with your homework.

]]> By: Van http://gm-volt.com/2009/02/05/gm-denies-san-francisco-and-washington-dc-have-been-chosen-yet-to-get-first-chevy-volts/#comment-94693 Van Wed, 11 Feb 2009 00:55:15 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1508#comment-94693 Lets see, fuel cost comparison is meaningless when comparing vehicles. If you say so. I think it is spot on. :) Assigning a cost to energy depletion, for a plug in operating in the charge depletion mode, is gibberish. If you say so. :) Class dismissed. :) Lets see, fuel cost comparison is meaningless when comparing vehicles. If you say so. I think it is spot on. :)

Assigning a cost to energy depletion, for a plug in operating in the charge depletion mode, is gibberish. If you say so. :)

Class dismissed. :)

]]> By: Zero X Owner http://gm-volt.com/2009/02/05/gm-denies-san-francisco-and-washington-dc-have-been-chosen-yet-to-get-first-chevy-volts/#comment-94597 Zero X Owner Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:50:52 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1508#comment-94597 Van I'm very hesitant to post this, as I don't think you are clear yet that energy efficiency and cost should be considered separately, as soon as you introduce hybrid transportation (yes, EPA is running about a decade late on updating their webiste). But, I'm all for transparency and accountability. Hint on the costs and dollars. Just as you can do average energy efficiency on a vehicle cycle basis, you can SEPARATELY do averge cost on a vehicle cycle basis, in some common unit, such as $ / 100 miles. SImple take the two parts of the energy efficiency calculations I did for you and mulktpliy each part by the cost per kWh (cost of gas/kWh is $/gallon/36.4). The cost / 100 miles for different vehicles will fluctuate hugely over time, as gas prices are extremly volatile and much more volatile than electricty prices. Thus, average cost of energy is a very poor method for trying to directly compare vehicles, as it varies widely. Because electric prices are more stable than gasoline prices, if you want more consistent costs with lower likelihood of nasty surpises and cost spikes, more electric drive and more battery is clearly superior to less electric drive and more gas on a cost stability basis. Even if we went to 100% non-gas electric everywhere in the US, we would still want to consider cost separately from energy efficiency, as electric rates vary quite a bit from region to region in the US. Sorry. MPG just isn't adequate any more (it never really was, but now it's truly broken). Van

I’m very hesitant to post this, as I don’t think you are clear yet that energy efficiency and cost should be considered separately, as soon as you introduce hybrid transportation (yes, EPA is running about a decade late on updating their webiste). But, I’m all for transparency and accountability.

Hint on the costs and dollars. Just as you can do average energy efficiency on a vehicle cycle basis, you can SEPARATELY do averge cost on a vehicle cycle basis, in some common unit, such as $ / 100 miles. SImple take the two parts of the energy efficiency calculations I did for you and mulktpliy each part by the cost per kWh (cost of gas/kWh is $/gallon/36.4). The cost / 100 miles for different vehicles will fluctuate hugely over time, as gas prices are extremly volatile and much more volatile than electricty prices.

Thus, average cost of energy is a very poor method for trying to directly compare vehicles, as it varies widely. Because electric prices are more stable than gasoline prices, if you want more consistent costs with lower likelihood of nasty surpises and cost spikes, more electric drive and more battery is clearly superior to less electric drive and more gas on a cost stability basis.

Even if we went to 100% non-gas electric everywhere in the US, we would still want to consider cost separately from energy efficiency, as electric rates vary quite a bit from region to region in the US.

Sorry. MPG just isn’t adequate any more (it never really was, but now it’s truly broken).

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