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		<title>By: Roman</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2009/01/15/video-exclusive-gm-voltcom-interview-with-gm-vice-chairman-bob-lutz/#comment-91321</link>
		<dc:creator>Roman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#129 Dave G Says: &quot;But given what GM and others have found out about weight...&quot;

What have they found out about weight?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#129 Dave G Says: &#8220;But given what GM and others have found out about weight&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>What have they found out about weight?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave G</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2009/01/15/video-exclusive-gm-voltcom-interview-with-gm-vice-chairman-bob-lutz/#comment-91034</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#126 Luke Says: &quot;I agree algae bio-diesel and cellulosic ethanol hold a lot of promise, and I hope that Dr. Chu and the new administration do their best to facilitate the deployment of these technologies... But I have yet to knowingly encounter either algae bio-diesel or cellulosic ethanol in real life.&quot;
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Right now, the demand for ethanol is very low.  The percentage of FlexFuel cars on the road is less than 5%.  If I were a gas station owner, I wouldn&#039;t dedicate a pump to E85.  I couldn&#039;t afford to.  Without many gas stations offering E85, and with very few FlexFuel cars, the demand is obviously low.

At the same time, we have an overproduction of corn due to government subsidies, and it&#039;s well known that corn can be fermented into alcohol, so it&#039;s no wonder that corn ethanol is the first out of the gate.

But imagine what might happen if the U.S. mandated that &lt;b&gt;all&lt;/b&gt; new cars were FlexFuel.  Obama has promised to do this by 2012.  It costs less than $100 per car to make it FlexFuel.

So now, suddenly everyone can choose E85.  Gas station owners will have a good reason to offer E85.  Farmers will soon realize that corn can&#039;t scale to meet the demand.  So you will have a great demand and a supply that can&#039;t keep up.  At this point, investment money from the private sector will flood into cellulosic ethanol.

It will happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#126 Luke Says: &#8220;I agree algae bio-diesel and cellulosic ethanol hold a lot of promise, and I hope that Dr. Chu and the new administration do their best to facilitate the deployment of these technologies&#8230; But I have yet to knowingly encounter either algae bio-diesel or cellulosic ethanol in real life.&#8221;<br />
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Right now, the demand for ethanol is very low.  The percentage of FlexFuel cars on the road is less than 5%.  If I were a gas station owner, I wouldn&#8217;t dedicate a pump to E85.  I couldn&#8217;t afford to.  Without many gas stations offering E85, and with very few FlexFuel cars, the demand is obviously low.</p>
<p>At the same time, we have an overproduction of corn due to government subsidies, and it&#8217;s well known that corn can be fermented into alcohol, so it&#8217;s no wonder that corn ethanol is the first out of the gate.</p>
<p>But imagine what might happen if the U.S. mandated that <b>all</b> new cars were FlexFuel.  Obama has promised to do this by 2012.  It costs less than $100 per car to make it FlexFuel.</p>
<p>So now, suddenly everyone can choose E85.  Gas station owners will have a good reason to offer E85.  Farmers will soon realize that corn can&#8217;t scale to meet the demand.  So you will have a great demand and a supply that can&#8217;t keep up.  At this point, investment money from the private sector will flood into cellulosic ethanol.</p>
<p>It will happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave G</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2009/01/15/video-exclusive-gm-voltcom-interview-with-gm-vice-chairman-bob-lutz/#comment-91032</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 12:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#127 Herm Says: &quot;But meanwhile battery tech is doubling every 7 years, and we already have electric cars with 250 mile range.. range anxiety may become a thing of the past soon ethanol or not.&quot;
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Actually, I heard Elon Musk say battery technology is improving at a rate of 9% per year average.  That means doubling every 9 years.

But even if an EV has 1000 miles of range, with no fast-charge electric filling stations, people will still have range anxiety.

Replacing our liquid fuel filling station infrastructure with fast-charging electric filling stations will cost trillions of dollars, and take 30-50 years to fully make it&#039;s way into rural areas.  Remember that with fast-charging, you need batteries at the filling station - lots of them.  You also need somewhere to put those batteries which is reasonably temperature controlled and out of the elements.  With the high electrical currents involved in fast-charging, you also need short power cables to avoid power losses.  So batteries will have to go underground, or in temperature controlled structures very close to where the cars fill up.  Not cheap...

For heavy duty long distance travel, liquid fuels are far better.  It&#039;s simple physics.  The energy density of liquid fuels is in a different ballpark than batteries.  So if we can&#039;t figure out a viable way to make bio-fuels, we&#039;re screwed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#127 Herm Says: &#8220;But meanwhile battery tech is doubling every 7 years, and we already have electric cars with 250 mile range.. range anxiety may become a thing of the past soon ethanol or not.&#8221;<br />
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Actually, I heard Elon Musk say battery technology is improving at a rate of 9% per year average.  That means doubling every 9 years.</p>
<p>But even if an EV has 1000 miles of range, with no fast-charge electric filling stations, people will still have range anxiety.</p>
<p>Replacing our liquid fuel filling station infrastructure with fast-charging electric filling stations will cost trillions of dollars, and take 30-50 years to fully make it&#8217;s way into rural areas.  Remember that with fast-charging, you need batteries at the filling station &#8211; lots of them.  You also need somewhere to put those batteries which is reasonably temperature controlled and out of the elements.  With the high electrical currents involved in fast-charging, you also need short power cables to avoid power losses.  So batteries will have to go underground, or in temperature controlled structures very close to where the cars fill up.  Not cheap&#8230;</p>
<p>For heavy duty long distance travel, liquid fuels are far better.  It&#8217;s simple physics.  The energy density of liquid fuels is in a different ballpark than batteries.  So if we can&#8217;t figure out a viable way to make bio-fuels, we&#8217;re screwed.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave G</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2009/01/15/video-exclusive-gm-voltcom-interview-with-gm-vice-chairman-bob-lutz/#comment-91030</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 12:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#128 Roman Says: &quot;There will soon be another option, from Bright Automotive ( http://www.brightautomotive.com/vehicles )...&quot;
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&quot;The vehicle operates in all electric mode for the first 30 miles, then operates in hybrid mode with a full range of 400 miles...&quot;
That sounds good, but why do they call it a PHEV if it&#039;s all-electric for the first 30 miles?  It should be called an EREV, REEV, or series hybrid.

&quot;Lightweighting leads to remarkable operating efficiency...&quot;
This seems intuitive,  and is certainly true for normal gas engine cars, but for EVs, regenerative braking recovers most of the extra energy required for acceleration, and larger inductive electric motors are actually more efficient than smaller ones, so adding a little extra mass doesn&#039;t seem to effect efficiency that much.  The only possible issue I see here is the power density of the batteries, but at 30 miles AER, just about any battery chemistry would have ample power.

&quot;In January 2008, Bright Automotive launched as a stand-alone company, from Colorado-based Rocky Mountain Institute (RMI)...&quot;
Now I&#039;m beginning to see the picture.  RMI has to do something with all the carbon fiber work they&#039;ve been doing.  But given what GM and others have found out about weight, it seems RMI&#039;s aerodynamic research may be more applicable here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#128 Roman Says: &#8220;There will soon be another option, from Bright Automotive ( <a href="http://www.brightautomotive.com/vehicles" rel="nofollow">http://www.brightautomotive.com/vehicles</a> )&#8230;&#8221;<br />
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&#8220;The vehicle operates in all electric mode for the first 30 miles, then operates in hybrid mode with a full range of 400 miles&#8230;&#8221;<br />
That sounds good, but why do they call it a PHEV if it&#8217;s all-electric for the first 30 miles?  It should be called an EREV, REEV, or series hybrid.</p>
<p>&#8220;Lightweighting leads to remarkable operating efficiency&#8230;&#8221;<br />
This seems intuitive,  and is certainly true for normal gas engine cars, but for EVs, regenerative braking recovers most of the extra energy required for acceleration, and larger inductive electric motors are actually more efficient than smaller ones, so adding a little extra mass doesn&#8217;t seem to effect efficiency that much.  The only possible issue I see here is the power density of the batteries, but at 30 miles AER, just about any battery chemistry would have ample power.</p>
<p>&#8220;In January 2008, Bright Automotive launched as a stand-alone company, from Colorado-based Rocky Mountain Institute (RMI)&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Now I&#8217;m beginning to see the picture.  RMI has to do something with all the carbon fiber work they&#8217;ve been doing.  But given what GM and others have found out about weight, it seems RMI&#8217;s aerodynamic research may be more applicable here.</p>
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		<title>By: Roman</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2009/01/15/video-exclusive-gm-voltcom-interview-with-gm-vice-chairman-bob-lutz/#comment-91028</link>
		<dc:creator>Roman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 06:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There will soon be another option, from Bright Automotive (http://www.brightautomotive.com/vehicles). It&#039;s supposed to be more affordable. Those people are using newer technologies (according to them) and provide OEMs with their know-how. It looks like, with all development we see in different companies, we&#039;ll get &quot;there&quot; soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There will soon be another option, from Bright Automotive (<a href="http://www.brightautomotive.com/vehicles" rel="nofollow">http://www.brightautomotive.com/vehicles</a>). It&#8217;s supposed to be more affordable. Those people are using newer technologies (according to them) and provide OEMs with their know-how. It looks like, with all development we see in different companies, we&#8217;ll get &#8220;there&#8221; soon.</p>
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