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	<title>Comments on: Chrysler E-REV Sedan Unveiled:  200C EV Concept</title>
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		<title>By: J Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>J Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like the exterior, hate the interior and I am surprised by the RWD</description>
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		<title>By: Rashiid Amul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rashiid Amul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>N. Riley #88 says,
&lt;i&gt;What did people do before front wheel drive? Surely some of that Mustang’s problems in the snow was the fault of the driver. Are you laying all the blame on the rear wheel drive system? Surely not.&lt;/i&gt;

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No my friend.  I owned a 1974 Chevy Nova back in my younger days.  That car was a tank in the snow.  My next car was a brand new Front wheel drive Pontiac Sunbird.  I was unimpressed with the Front Wheel Drive.  I honest thought my Nova was better.

As for the Mustang I was mentioning, It was most likely a combination of car, driver, tires, road conditions and transmission.

I have come to prefer Front Wheel Drive over Rear Wheel Drive.  But in my opinion, nothing is better than All Wheel Drive

I&#039;m pretty sure where you live, ice isn&#039;t much of a problem.
I have an inch thick ice sheet covering my driveway. 
but Front Wheel drive doesn&#039;t always work well.  My Elantra makes it out of my driveway with no problem.  My wife&#039;s Elantra does not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>N. Riley #88 says,<br />
<i>What did people do before front wheel drive? Surely some of that Mustang’s problems in the snow was the fault of the driver. Are you laying all the blame on the rear wheel drive system? Surely not.</i></p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
No my friend.  I owned a 1974 Chevy Nova back in my younger days.  That car was a tank in the snow.  My next car was a brand new Front wheel drive Pontiac Sunbird.  I was unimpressed with the Front Wheel Drive.  I honest thought my Nova was better.</p>
<p>As for the Mustang I was mentioning, It was most likely a combination of car, driver, tires, road conditions and transmission.</p>
<p>I have come to prefer Front Wheel Drive over Rear Wheel Drive.  But in my opinion, nothing is better than All Wheel Drive</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure where you live, ice isn&#8217;t much of a problem.<br />
I have an inch thick ice sheet covering my driveway.<br />
but Front Wheel drive doesn&#8217;t always work well.  My Elantra makes it out of my driveway with no problem.  My wife&#8217;s Elantra does not.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 05:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Jake... I live in New England, all the cars I drove as a teenager and young adult were rear wheel drive, and they all sucked if driven in the snow as far as handling.

However who knows if C will even sell these with cold/freezing Winter climates.

Only good thing about rear wheel drive is no torque steer... something my Volvo S70 T5 suffers from when gas was cheap and I used to peel out from a stop :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Jake&#8230; I live in New England, all the cars I drove as a teenager and young adult were rear wheel drive, and they all sucked if driven in the snow as far as handling.</p>
<p>However who knows if C will even sell these with cold/freezing Winter climates.</p>
<p>Only good thing about rear wheel drive is no torque steer&#8230; something my Volvo S70 T5 suffers from when gas was cheap and I used to peel out from a stop <img src='http://gm-volt.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: tim-the-dreamer</title>
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		<dc:creator>tim-the-dreamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 05:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, by the way;
The patriot suv IS a 4x4:-), and has the same stats in range and concept. I WANT ONE!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, by the way;<br />
The patriot suv IS a 4&#215;4:-), and has the same stats in range and concept. I WANT ONE!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: tim-the-dreamer</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2009/01/11/chrysler-e-rev-sedan-unveiled-200c-ev-concept/#comment-90415</link>
		<dc:creator>tim-the-dreamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 04:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out their webb site&#039;s blog section. There&#039;s a video of the 200c that you parents might find interesting. Your kids won&#039;t want you to get this puppy but you&#039;ll like it, alott! It could give the volt some serious compitition where your concerned. 

Baby better not be going to those dope-heads&#039; houses!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out their webb site&#8217;s blog section. There&#8217;s a video of the 200c that you parents might find interesting. Your kids won&#8217;t want you to get this puppy but you&#8217;ll like it, alott! It could give the volt some serious compitition where your concerned. </p>
<p>Baby better not be going to those dope-heads&#8217; houses!</p>
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		<title>By: LB</title>
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		<dc:creator>LB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 02:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Impressive!  The nice thing about Chrysler is that their concepts make it to production.  The trouble with Chrysler is their quality.  If they can build it with much better quality than they have been employing in the recent past, this will be an excellent choice in the new electric game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Impressive!  The nice thing about Chrysler is that their concepts make it to production.  The trouble with Chrysler is their quality.  If they can build it with much better quality than they have been employing in the recent past, this will be an excellent choice in the new electric game.</p>
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		<title>By: Zach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks awesome! I hope Chrysler can make it.</description>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh, didn&#039;t mean to start a big debate over the merits of which wheels are powered.  Again, I don&#039;t have anything against RWD in and of itself.  I would just prefer FWD (or AWD) for handling in the snow.  Remember, it&#039;s not all about raw traction.  For me, it&#039;s about control.  In slippery conditions, I want to have as much control over the front wheels as possible.  And without the weight of the engine up front, I would be afraid of the car swapping ends even more easily, particularly in braking situations.

In any case, plenty of people do fine with RWD, and who knows how an EV&#039;s weight distribution might affect handling.  I&#039;m just saying that the 200C&#039;s appeal as a &quot;general purpose&quot; vehicle is reduced for me, because I love winter and snow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, didn&#8217;t mean to start a big debate over the merits of which wheels are powered.  Again, I don&#8217;t have anything against RWD in and of itself.  I would just prefer FWD (or AWD) for handling in the snow.  Remember, it&#8217;s not all about raw traction.  For me, it&#8217;s about control.  In slippery conditions, I want to have as much control over the front wheels as possible.  And without the weight of the engine up front, I would be afraid of the car swapping ends even more easily, particularly in braking situations.</p>
<p>In any case, plenty of people do fine with RWD, and who knows how an EV&#8217;s weight distribution might affect handling.  I&#8217;m just saying that the 200C&#8217;s appeal as a &#8220;general purpose&#8221; vehicle is reduced for me, because I love winter and snow.</p>
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		<title>By: stas peterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>stas peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was looking at the see-through diagram of the C200 and it shows that Chrysler has a different approach to the packaging of the EREV architecture.  It also appears that all five of the concepts are  are based on only two electric motor drive trains; and one ICE engine/generator.

There  was little discussion of the ICE engine but the so-called World I4  (and I3), is produced at 1.8 liters. Detuned to Atkinson cycle would seem to produce more than just 74 HP.  So there may be another downsize to say 1.6 liters.  GEMA has flexible engine manufacturing for that engine; and makes 2.4, 2.0 and 1.8  engines all on the same line with claimed lots sizes as small as one, so they are fully flexible and could add a 1.6 without extensive tooling costs or long extensive planning.  

GM is erecting a new factory and bringing over the Liberty engine family from Europe. It is updating it, and plans to manufacture it here.  That takes time and money. That Chrysler engine though is subject to complaints of NVH crudeness at 2.4 liters. Many believe this is due to trying to maximize HP, because Chrysler suffers from inadequate transmissions.  Its pretty refined in Mitsu or Huyndai tuning.  It is certainly more advanced an engine than the iron block, Chevy Volt 1.4 liter Liberty engine family.  It  is all alloy and was designed a generation later, with extensive preparations to support Turbo charging, DI and even anticipates HCCI operation, eventually.  That should generate some substantial savings and shorten development time.

The platforms that Chrysler chose are all current production platforms, and not a next generation platform as the Volt&#039;s Delta platform is being created just now.

That should also save some money and development time.  The next generation platform for the Chrysler RWD cars is really a third generation of that platform, with little genuinely new that I can perceive.  It was used for the Mercedes E class, the current C300, and will be used for the next generation 300C as well as this C200.  Again not a lot of expenditure as GM has been doing.

But I want to return to the EREV layout. It appears that the motor generator is transversely mounted in front.  The traditional  transmission tunnel is allocated to what appears to be electronic controllers and EHVAC and the last part to batteries under the rear seat. In a &quot;short T&quot; package  similar to the Volt battery pack.   Since there is no connection via axle, to the rear end,  this space is well used and should provide a commodious seating arrangement in front.  The IRS rear has the electric traction motor.  Taken together this should produce  a well balanced weight, fore and aft, a very low CG, and the handling benefits of RWD.  This was mentioned only in passing, but  this 200C could be an award-winning, superb handling vehicle. That LX platform is well sorted out and offers superb handling, with a five point IRS.   Mercedes has never been accused of building poor handling cars.  With this setup, the weight distribution should only improve.  The only drawback is reduced cargo capacity in the trunk, but that is no different than all RWD setups.

Many here fall in love with the work of start-up auto makers who engineering abilities are tiny by comparison.  Even Chrysler reduced as it is by circumstances, can bring enormous relative engineering advantages to bear. 

I would have feared for the weght of a CD sized EREV, versus a &quot;C&quot; segment implementation. It tappears that Chrysler is not as concerned and GM has less concern with 16KWH being enough to provide  40 miles of AER.  CErtainlly reserviing  50% of battery capacity to insure 150K miles of life seems to be turning out to be an un necessary precaution. Perhaps reserving only 40 -45% wil be required, freeing 10% more power for the 40 AER target.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was looking at the see-through diagram of the C200 and it shows that Chrysler has a different approach to the packaging of the EREV architecture.  It also appears that all five of the concepts are  are based on only two electric motor drive trains; and one ICE engine/generator.</p>
<p>There  was little discussion of the ICE engine but the so-called World I4  (and I3), is produced at 1.8 liters. Detuned to Atkinson cycle would seem to produce more than just 74 HP.  So there may be another downsize to say 1.6 liters.  GEMA has flexible engine manufacturing for that engine; and makes 2.4, 2.0 and 1.8  engines all on the same line with claimed lots sizes as small as one, so they are fully flexible and could add a 1.6 without extensive tooling costs or long extensive planning.  </p>
<p>GM is erecting a new factory and bringing over the Liberty engine family from Europe. It is updating it, and plans to manufacture it here.  That takes time and money. That Chrysler engine though is subject to complaints of NVH crudeness at 2.4 liters. Many believe this is due to trying to maximize HP, because Chrysler suffers from inadequate transmissions.  Its pretty refined in Mitsu or Huyndai tuning.  It is certainly more advanced an engine than the iron block, Chevy Volt 1.4 liter Liberty engine family.  It  is all alloy and was designed a generation later, with extensive preparations to support Turbo charging, DI and even anticipates HCCI operation, eventually.  That should generate some substantial savings and shorten development time.</p>
<p>The platforms that Chrysler chose are all current production platforms, and not a next generation platform as the Volt&#8217;s Delta platform is being created just now.</p>
<p>That should also save some money and development time.  The next generation platform for the Chrysler RWD cars is really a third generation of that platform, with little genuinely new that I can perceive.  It was used for the Mercedes E class, the current C300, and will be used for the next generation 300C as well as this C200.  Again not a lot of expenditure as GM has been doing.</p>
<p>But I want to return to the EREV layout. It appears that the motor generator is transversely mounted in front.  The traditional  transmission tunnel is allocated to what appears to be electronic controllers and EHVAC and the last part to batteries under the rear seat. In a &#8220;short T&#8221; package  similar to the Volt battery pack.   Since there is no connection via axle, to the rear end,  this space is well used and should provide a commodious seating arrangement in front.  The IRS rear has the electric traction motor.  Taken together this should produce  a well balanced weight, fore and aft, a very low CG, and the handling benefits of RWD.  This was mentioned only in passing, but  this 200C could be an award-winning, superb handling vehicle. That LX platform is well sorted out and offers superb handling, with a five point IRS.   Mercedes has never been accused of building poor handling cars.  With this setup, the weight distribution should only improve.  The only drawback is reduced cargo capacity in the trunk, but that is no different than all RWD setups.</p>
<p>Many here fall in love with the work of start-up auto makers who engineering abilities are tiny by comparison.  Even Chrysler reduced as it is by circumstances, can bring enormous relative engineering advantages to bear. </p>
<p>I would have feared for the weght of a CD sized EREV, versus a &#8220;C&#8221; segment implementation. It tappears that Chrysler is not as concerned and GM has less concern with 16KWH being enough to provide  40 miles of AER.  CErtainlly reserviing  50% of battery capacity to insure 150K miles of life seems to be turning out to be an un necessary precaution. Perhaps reserving only 40 -45% wil be required, freeing 10% more power for the 40 AER target.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin DT</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin DT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couple of things:
- Being from Down Under too, I agree with &#039;Stuey&#039; that RWD is better, and I don&#039;t get the posts that say they&#039;d prefer FWD- we&#039;re dealing with electric cars here, so there&#039;s no heavy engine, remember? So if you live in a place where there&#039;s ice, maybe optional AWD would be best, and if you don&#039;t (or if you could switch the FWD off in summer) have RWD so you can have better steering feel.
- Dave G (#40 and others) needs to be a MVP poster- good points, Dave. (Hope you&#039;re wrong about Chrysler&#039;s future though :) )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couple of things:<br />
- Being from Down Under too, I agree with &#8216;Stuey&#8217; that RWD is better, and I don&#8217;t get the posts that say they&#8217;d prefer FWD- we&#8217;re dealing with electric cars here, so there&#8217;s no heavy engine, remember? So if you live in a place where there&#8217;s ice, maybe optional AWD would be best, and if you don&#8217;t (or if you could switch the FWD off in summer) have RWD so you can have better steering feel.<br />
- Dave G (#40 and others) needs to be a MVP poster- good points, Dave. (Hope you&#8217;re wrong about Chrysler&#8217;s future though <img src='http://gm-volt.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
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