Jan 08

NBC Reporter Test Drives Chevy Volt Prototype Mule

 

This morning on NBC’s today show, reporters Matt Lauer and Phil LeBeau broadcasted a piece on the Chevy Volt.

Besides the usual descriptive information, the reporters actually got to test drive the same Volt Cruze Mule that Rick Wagoner drove to Washington DC.

I was able to contact Mr. LeBeau to hear about his experience. He offered me the following response, which he also posted on his blog:

Impressive. Very impressive. I spent part of Wednesday afternoon tooling around GM’s tech center in a “mule” version of the Volt. When I hit the gas, the acceleration was instant. Like all electric cars, the torque and response from the car is immediate. The Volt will deliver the same performance you would get from a car with 250 horse power.

The other thing that stands out about the Volt is how smooth and quiet it is. There is not the whirring sound that I have heard in other electric cars I have driven. It also feels effortless when you are driving it. All around, I can see why executives at GM have growing confidence the Volt will deliver everything that’s been promised.

GM spokesperson David Darovitz was also present. He has this to say about it “they interviewed Frank (Weber), I sat in the back. Boy what a rush! Especially when Frank floored it. Instant giddy-up and go – in silence. It was very sweet!”

Yes I asked if I could try it out too…answer “in time.” Lets hope not 2012!

Video Below:


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (3:03 pm)

    Nice…


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (3:09 pm)

    I watched this, seemed like Rick and the UAW guy were still evasive with some of their answers. They’re getting better though.

    Stew


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (3:18 pm)

    Lyle, they need to give you a ride. You have certainly helped them out, and they should return the favor. Lyle before Lauer!

    What’s interesting is how well things things seem to be going on the development front. Really good news.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (3:22 pm)

    Nice but do me a favor, GM.

    Go to Wallmart and buy some cheap plastic hubcaps!!


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (3:39 pm)

    Excellent news. I do wish they would have shown more of their test drive however.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (3:39 pm)

    They have this why don’t they just get it out, any other car company would. They have had plenty of time. And they want two more years?

    Quit stalling, lease some models out to the public, just get something going

    GM, JUST GET THE VOLT WHEELS ON THE ROAD!!!!!!!!!!!!

    NO PLUG NO SALE, LJGTVWOTR, DBNGCMEMEV, (my house)=D~~~(my volt)


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (3:40 pm)

    Thanks Lyle!
    Volt is coming! Yes folks, Volt is coming!
    What a feeling?

    Jim.-


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (3:40 pm)

    The video of the news report was posted in the forum, if you want to hear it from the horses’ mouth. Lyle, I hope you get a chance to drive one of the mules very soon. You reiterated what I took from the report – they were stunned by the instant acceleration and its silence.

    Isn’t it amazing how much momentum is behind the Volt at this point. In spite of the financial crisis, there is no doubt this vehicle will be built and do well in its first two years. Time will tell whether the Volt, or some other E-REV platform will be the vehicle of choice, but it definitely seems the E-REV will outsell every other type of hybrid.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (3:50 pm)

    Very nice to see the hype….

    Not so nice to see the old footage of the concept still lurking around…still makes me sad to see the old girl that I loved so much…


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (3:54 pm)

    Very exciting! Can’t wait to drive one!


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (4:00 pm)

    Wow…..Gas can go all the way down to $ 0.99 and I still want my volt.


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    Jason M. Hendler

     

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    Jan 8th, 2009 (4:03 pm)

    Murray,

    Yeah, NBC should file away the videos of the concept car, now that there are Cruze mules and production intent Volt models driving around. The more I see the concept, the more I like the production intent design.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (4:05 pm)

    Looking more and more like another car rather than the original Volt concept. Oh well, I still like it!


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (4:12 pm)

    Very nice.

    GM should be congratulated for getting the Volt mules working so fast. Most new car designs have a 5 year schedule. GM only started working on a production Volt after the tremendous response from the concept car in Jan 2007. That was just 2 years ago.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (4:14 pm)

    If anything will push gas prices down to $0.99, this car will, and I won’t care one bit, I will still drive this electric.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (4:16 pm)

    #8 Jason M. Hendler Says: “Time will tell whether the Volt, or some other E-REV platform will be the vehicle of choice, but it definitely seems the E-REV will outsell every other type of hybrid.”
    ————————————————————————————–
    That all boils down to price…


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (4:18 pm)

    Price will be the determining factor with the introduction of this car. I feel that if it is priced above $35,000, car buyers will look elsewhere. Until I know where the pricing structure is, my name is still on the buyer’s list.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (4:20 pm)

    RE #11
    I’ll out bid you…. gas can go down to $0.09 and I still want my Volt.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (4:21 pm)

    Nice Daewoo Lacetti there.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (4:22 pm)

    OK. Now I see where you guys have gone to. Good post, Lyle. We saw this information on the previous post provided by someone (can’t remember just who, now, but thanks). Lyle when do you get your ride?


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (4:23 pm)

    The above picture is with Wagoner in DC. I thought then, as I do again now, why didn’t GM put some decent wheels on that mule Cruz?


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (4:25 pm)

    If you thought the auto industry was in trouble now, with historic low sales, wait until the Volt hits the market. No one in their right mind would want to spend $30 to $39 for a sedan that’s not an EREV. If you know of someone that would fork over any money for an ICE only sedan in that price range, let me know their name and e-mail so I can sell them my old VHS player and tapes.

    2009 = NPNS!


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (4:28 pm)

    Too bad how they’ve morphed the attractive prototype into this bland body style though. I’ll go with Dodge’s sport ecar over this in a heartbeat.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (4:36 pm)

    #23 Dave

    This is not a picture of the Volt. It is a Cruze mule with Volt drive train and software. Outside it is a Cruze. Inside under the hood it is a Volt. Don’t you understand that?


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (4:38 pm)

    I agree that price will be the determining factor for most people. Some of us will buy it for the technology and won’t care too much about the cost. Others will buy it for the environmental impact it will have and will force themselves to pay the price. Others, not of the two other groups, will have sticker shock and will shop other brands or go for the Cruze – which will be a very good choice, by the way.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (4:42 pm)

    If the Obama administration gives GM more money as a loan or whatever, what do we think the chances will be that GM can get the Cruze back on schedule? It would be great if GM could get both the Cruze and the Volt out by mid-spring 2010. With the Malibu, the Cruze and the Volt, GM could rack up some serious sales. If only they could have continued the redesign of the Impala and gotten it out this fall as originally intended. GM could have had a block buster year in late 2010 and during 2011.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (4:47 pm)

    GM had its chance with the electric car in 99 and blew it. Got greedy and they are still paying. Why? Because they’re still greedy. The volt compared to the Prius is too expensive, 40K+, who’s kidding who, know wonder they’re going out of bussness. The bale out kings are on another roll. Toyota is cutting the price tag on the Prius in 2010. You have a choice: buy GM pay more get less OR the Prius / Civic. Might not be a plug in (or maybe it will be) but both will be half the cost, the same or better milage and look just as good.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (4:47 pm)

    #6 Casey

    “They have this why don’t they just get it out, any other car company would. They have had plenty of time. And they want two more years?”

    Because GM CANNOT afford to have ANY issues with the Volt..it MUST be flawless..every one flogs the big 3 over green and reliability, and quality…what would happen if they put this out today, and it didn’t perform as promised..you and everyone would dump all over it as “look..big suprise..GM bombed again” ( I am not trashing you, don’t take it personally..)

    If they are confident all is well, they will likely launch early, but only when they are 100% confident,,,they HAVE to be..

    #23 Dave P

    “Too bad how they’ve morphed the attractive prototype into this bland body style though. I’ll go with Dodge’s sport ecar over this in a heartbeat.”

    Pick the Fiskar..its the same body made by lotus, and its closer to production..assuming you have no range concerns, only want 2 seats…etc…As to the bod..see #24


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (4:47 pm)

    I almost forgot….happy Easter to everyone!

    /first press drive of a prototype mule


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (4:49 pm)

    Lyle .. Its your time to ask for drive ..

    Say to GM guys that you applied for mini.

    I don’t think this time people are worried on gas prices to purchase an electric car because they know any time the gas prices can go up. They will keep a Bully in home for long rides as a second car , still daily commute will happen on EVs.

    Another question : Do i need to go for regular Lube job with a volt also ? because EVs don’t need and oil,filter etc etc but Range extender is ICE.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (4:55 pm)

    #28 Mitch says “Pick the Fiskar..its the same body made by lotus, and its closer to production..assuming you have no range concerns, only want 2 seats…etc”

    I think you mean the Tesla Roadster. The Fisker Karma is a serial hybrid, much like the Volt, and the body is made by the company which makes one for Porshe.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (4:57 pm)

    Sticker price is important to me, but if I can afford it I do not care what gas costs

    GO GM GO VOLT

    =D~~


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (5:01 pm)

    #24 Riley,
    Yes, I am aware. I refer to the released photos of the wind tunnel winner for production…… no similarity to the prototype that captured the press on introduction.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (5:10 pm)

    On national TV you need to put rims on it. Wake up.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (5:16 pm)

    #27 Howard Erickson: “You have a choice: buy GM pay more get less OR the Prius / Civic. Might not be a plug in (or maybe it will be) but both will be half the cost, the same or better milage and look just as good.”

    One thing you’re getting with the Volt is approximately 40 more miles of all-electric range. Mileage may be similar when the Volt is running in charge-sustaining mode, but before that point it is a 100% electric car. That’s something you probably WON’T be able to buy from Toyota or Honda in a couple years.

    As for price, maybe the benefits of the Volt will not outweigh the cost for many people. No arguing with that. But as far as I’m concerned, the jury is still out on whether, ultimately, the Volt will be a success. To predict the outcome of this question (positive or negative) is premature, to say the least.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (5:20 pm)

    40k?!?!?

    For 40k it’ll have the target audience of the Testla.

    If they want to change the world they need to get that to market at nearly half that. $15k+ buys a whole lot (if not a lifetime) of fuel and miles for in a Prius.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (5:26 pm)

    The guy said target price is $40,000.00. I hope this is pure speculation. I’m all of the sudden not feeling warm and fuzzy about this anymore. Even with the fake Tax incentive.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (5:27 pm)

    #27 Howard Erickson

    Trolling, trolling, trolling. To each his own. Some will like the Prius or the Honda Insight while others will like the Volt. It is their decision. Not yours to say they are wrong, nor for me to say they are right. Just the way it is. Their decision, their money. IMO.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (5:28 pm)

    I thought it was supposed to be under 30K??? First the looks were drastically changed and now the price, GM you’re losing me.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (5:35 pm)

    My guess is that this car will perform a lot better than the Prius though, and people who bought the Prius becuase it was the greenest car out there, may buy the Volt for exactly the same reason.

    Also, while you’re right Statik that they missed their easter deadline, considering that GM was on the brink of closing their doors only a few weeks ago, I think it’s safe to say they’ve had their work cut out for them just fighting for their lives.

    While a bit overdue, it’s still good to see that at least they finally have given reporters a test drive, and that they were impressed!


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (5:46 pm)

    @#27 Howard Erickson
    “the same or better milage”

    Let’s see….
    Prius has a 6 gallon tank at 45mpg for a total of 270 miles per 6 gallons. (Hybrid propulsion included)

    Volt has a 6 gallon tank (for the sake of argument) at 45mpg (let’s just assume they get the same eventhough it is spec’d at 50mpg) for a total of 270 miles per 6 gallons.
    But wait, the Volt has 40 miles AER?! So the math goes 270 + 40 = 310 miles per 6 gallons (Hybrid propulsion included)

    That seems well and all but lets take a look at the 50mpg spec. It’s (50mpg x 6gallons) + 40AER = 340 miles per 6 gallons (Hybrid propulsion included)

    I wonder if “#27 Howard Erickson” bothered to research this before he opened his big fat mouth?


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (5:55 pm)

    Phil Lebeau
    “Bottom line is, Americans will always go for power and performance, and if gas is cheap they will go for the standard engine.”

    Um, no. Even if gas is cheap, I want to save the planet, and I’ve never needed power, nor performance, as long as I could get to the speed I wanted to go safely enough. I tended to care more about economy, reliability, quality etc.
    This might be why I so loved my 1976 Corolla, and never felt the desire to ever buy an American car.

    Now, if Ford was to release an electric Fiesta, or if Toyota released an electric Yaris, those I would buy much more quickly than the Volt.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (6:02 pm)

    #42 John

    It is expected for Toyota to release a fully electric car in the not too distant future. But I hope it is after the Volt is released and GM has introduced its own BEV Volt. Probably not though.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (6:06 pm)

    Lyle if you shut this site down for a week I bet GM will give you a mule to drive for a week.

    I think its a joke that they don’t give people like yourself front-of-the-line treatment when it comes to this sort of thing.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (6:15 pm)

    I’m very happy to see this. It’s good public exposure even with the outdated concept footage slipped in. I’m not concerned at all about cheap gas killing this car. It will have a waiting list to buy for years to come. The only downer to me is that GM can’t make ‘em fast enough!


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (6:22 pm)

    I thought the price was suppose to be around $30K, now I hear $40K, sorry to say I wont be buying a Volt. Not at that price!


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (6:25 pm)

    What the heck is going on with those wheels? Come on Wags, pick up a $22 set of four baby moon plasti-chrome covers at Pep Boys Auto. And don’t forget the nu-car scent rear view mirror dangle dice.

    =D~


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (6:29 pm)

    41 Captain Jack

    Let’s see….
    Prius has a 6 gallon tank at 45mpg for a total of 270 miles per 6 gallons. (Hybrid propulsion included)

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    Actually the Prius has an 11 gallon tank, but I agree, the Volt will get more miles per gallon of gas. Especially since one may rarely use the extender.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (6:34 pm)

    I see they’re still showing the great looking concept car, the car the Volt should be!


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (6:36 pm)

    I’m tearing up. I was here for the Moon shot. I hope to see the electrification of transportation. I’ve been waiting 35 years.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (6:37 pm)

    4 thumbs down on those rims.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (6:40 pm)

    Everyone will want it but 40K !!!!! They would have a great success
    and sell a gazillion cars @ 20K. When are these guys gonna get it. Make up the the initial losses down the road with volume. The shortsided thinking that got GM to the brink of bankruptcy continues!


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (6:41 pm)

    Each step brings us closer.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (6:47 pm)

    Why’s everyone hatin on da rims?
    You go looking piss poor and broke when begging for money, not in a Gates Lear Jet.
    They went for function not flash….
    lol
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    Jan 8th, 2009 (6:48 pm)

    @ThombDbhomb 53

    The next step is to just remove the ICE in the Volt.
    My guess is that’s why they went series.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (6:54 pm)

    I’m not sayin’ the Volt will be offered at $40k, but…

    You people who are freaked out about a $40k Volt need some perspective. New tech costs a lot. Prices eventually go down. You may not get one of the first ones. But, you’ll get a better one for less – eventually.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (6:57 pm)

    #55 CaptJackSparrow

    Slow down there fella! That would be a leap. If removing the ICE is the next step, you must be at the end of the plank.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (7:08 pm)

    @ThombDbhomb 57

    I personally would take one right now without the ICE and all it’s associated ICE parts.
    I have to pedal my wish list again. I want a bare bones Volt but prefer no ICE. The 40 mile range will do me good for 2 days without charging for my commute.
    He11, without the ICE and the stuff for it, especially the generator, it releases space and weight for additional battery space. The battery itself weighs 300lbs – 400lbs. The ICE and generator weigh that much alone. I don’t suffer from range anxiety because I know its intended use/purpose.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (7:21 pm)

    #58

    Maybe on Volt 2 or whatever they call it you will get the option of all electric (with batteries taking up the space where the engine was), but I doubt it. I’ll bet that you will likely, however, be able to customize the next version quite a bit with regards to battery size and other parameters.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (7:25 pm)

    Those currently freaking out about the potential $40k price apparently haven’t been paying close attention to this site for the past, oh, 6 months. That number has been bouncing around for a while. That said, I was distressed that the news dude didn’t mention the potential tax credit that Volt buyers could be getting. He should have mentioned that with the appropriate incentives the Volt could cost somewhat less than $40k. Anyways, $40k is STILL just a slightly educated guess. It will be interesting indeed to see what the Volt’s actual MSRP will be.

    I approve of the wheels on that mule. Hub caps look like crud! I don’t see why GM should be putting form before function at this stage in the game. It’s a mule…get over it.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (7:34 pm)

    Haven’t you guys heard?? GM is in a financial crisis. They can’t afford hubcaps anymore. Imagine the flak they would take from Washington when they go asking for money again.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (7:40 pm)

    If they go back to ask for more $$$, they should drive up in the same car in primer grey or black.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (7:46 pm)

    I’m very disappointed in the appearance. The original prototype was much better looking. I’m all in favor of supporting GM, but give us an electric vehicle that has some pizazz.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (7:47 pm)

    #44 Campy says “Lyle if you shut this site down for a week I bet GM will give you a mule to drive for a week.
    I think its a joke that they don’t give people like yourself front-of-the-line treatment when it comes to this sort of thing.”
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    Indeed gm-volt, Lyle, and all of us are like a girl who is too loyal to her wandering boyfriend. All that gets her is being taken for granted.

    Even so I’m glad that some outsider got to drive and had a good first impression.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (7:48 pm)

    What’s all the bitchen about the wheels. IT’S A MULE!!!!!! You ladies are looking only at the sheet metal. Go much much deeper to see the real beauty of this vehicle. It sounds like some of you dudes focus more on what a woman is waring then what she has going on inside.:-)


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (7:48 pm)

    G-R-R-Reat! When can we get one? And, do drop the $40,000 price I am seeing leaked to the press. No one will pay that for a Volt. Not before or after the GM bailout. Price the car so all of us will buy it. Make us all believe.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (7:53 pm)

    Allow wheels cost money. Do you guys want this to be a $40k car or not?

    Seriously though: Black steelies scream “this is a pre-production test vehicle” and I’m sure that is part of the message GM wants to convey…

    Could they have possibly put in any less footage of them driving it? What was that, 4 or 5 seconds in a 4 minute segment? Yeesh.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (7:57 pm)

    I am staggered that they don’t have you at the top of the list for a drive Lyle.

    “In time” is just the sort of thinking that got GM into this financial mess.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (8:02 pm)

    @Statik
    You are right that the Easter “deadline” was missed and it was GM with the egg facial. As long as we’re looking to the history, wasn’t there about a year where you were insisting that a Volt would never happen? That position seems to have evolved as well.
    Be well,
    Tag
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    Jan 8th, 2009 (8:22 pm)

    Stop Global Warming, Buy Local (American Cars)…


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (8:23 pm)

    Lyle BEFORE Lauer!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Lyle BEFORE Lauer!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Lyle BEFORE Lauer!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (8:39 pm)

    Excellent story on the progress of Project VOLT. Thanks Lyle for sharing and kudos to NBC for making the effort to air the piece.

    Despite all the doom and gloom (the stuff our American media thrives on) over GM and the Domestic Auto Industry, this is proof that some very positive things are happening. Yes, almost 2 more years is an eternity these days, but with each passing day GM gets closer. It would be an understatement to say there are thousands of variables they must plan for and thousands of engineering checks that must be passed before they can start retail production.

    And for all those comments on this post about the price and the wheels – STOP and think – if they said it is coming to market at $29,995 and showed the mule with 20″ chrome wheels – what would you say then? Exactly . . . why can’t I buy that car NOW!!!

    GM is smarter than that. They’ve got a lot of time to kill – let them concentrate on the hardware – there is plenty of time to work on the cosmetics.

    Go VOLT!


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (8:41 pm)

    #70 Tag says to statik “…wasn’t there about a year where you were insisting that a Volt would never happen? ”
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    Can’t speak for statik, but I remain doubtful that there will ever be a Chevy Volt produced in any volume (>1K per year). GM is just teetering from month to month As statik says, Volt is to built by osmosis.

    If Volt happens, I’ll be glad to eat crow :)


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (8:42 pm)

    I do not want to rush you or anything GM, but we really need this car NOW.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (9:02 pm)

    Maybe we should all get together and sing “Jolene” to the NBC reporter on behalf of Lyle :)

    /if mystified type Jolene into Google


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (9:04 pm)

    #69 Tagamet says “You are right that the Easter “deadline” was missed and it was GM with the egg facial.”

    Not exactly. Lutz was complaining that Easter that year came very early in the year (I once had a divinity student explain how you get the Easter date — whew!). His claim was that they only needed another three weeks. IOW he meant Easter in a normal year. Good thing November doesn’t move around like that! LOL

    #73 RB says “If Volt happens, I’ll be glad to eat crow”

    So how do you like your bird? Seriously, GM has made some commitments (10K in 2010 and 40K – 60K in 2011) to Congress so if they want their money, which they do, they are going to produce the Volt if it’s the only thing they do.

    Also did you note that while Gettelfinger said the UAW would not make any new concessions the negotiations on those concessions started today?


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (9:17 pm)

    #76 DonC says “Seriously, GM has made some commitments..” to the Volt.
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    GM has made a lot of commitments, such as the one from Wagoner to have sufficient liquidity for the corporation through the end of 2009, not to mention GM’s commitments to the UAW when GM negotiated the contract with them. I hope there will be a Volt in 2010 or if not then by someday, but as there is yet no battery contract, no engine factory, and no assembly line, and as this is now 2009….


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (9:27 pm)

    Get the cars on the road already – Get that price down (just like this economy) and build solar array’s into the hood, top and trunk lid for trickle charging.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (9:30 pm)

    Wow…. I see the same old GM!! (I worked in the auto industry for several years and got out just in time). GM still thinks that they can overcome design and style lacking with hype and publicity!!

    First they turned the idea of a sporty looking plug in hybrid car that everyone loved!! into a plug in prius. I understand aerodynamics, but put SOME style lines into it! It looks to me like a cross between the lame older malibu and the prius.

    Why are cash strapped americans going to buy a $40k+ vehicle when they can buy a prius and have the same look for around $28k and pay less than $1000 dollars a year to fuel the prius? I see the volt as it is now being the downfall of GM. Boy, I hope Chrysler beats them to the punch with some stylish electric vehicles. Show them how it’s down Chrysler!!


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (9:34 pm)

    #69 Tag

    @Statik
    You are right that the Easter “deadline” was missed and it was GM with the egg facial. As long as we’re looking to the history, wasn’t there about a year where you were insisting that a Volt would never happen? That position seems to have evolved as well.
    Be well,
    Tag
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    I’ve never said I did not believe the Volt would be produced…if GM was around. I was, and still am 100% confident in the program’s development and continued existence under the GM banner. Of my 2,440 post…now 2,441, you will not find one from me that say I believe the Volt is a sham, or that they are being disengenuious with their intentions to built them.

    What I have been saying…for the past two years is that GM was a financially unviable entity (regardless of this economic downturn), saddled with insane debt, overpaid workers, a feeble parts supply chain and having no reasonable way to surivive since having to sell half of their historical ‘cash cow’ (and only source of profit for the previous decade) GMAC for 14 billion, in order to continue the ‘ruse’ that they were solvent (and keep the lights on). In short, I was saying that there was no way in heck GM would even come close to making it to the day a Volt would get squeezed out…and if it was not for the gov’t pouring in 33 odd billion into GM/GMAC directly, they would be gone…today.

    This economic ‘slump’ was the greatest thing that ever happened to GM…a convenient happening. Somehow a company that had dropped 70-odd billion, in the best car economy of all time, now needs to be ‘saved’ bu the gov’t or the USA will instantly catch fire and everything and everyone inside her will be destroyed.

    My thoughts on the Volt project from the start have been a little pessimistic though, hehe….so that may be where you have drawn your conclusion of my doubt of the whole Volt project.

    As you know, I have been here since virtually day one, saying that GM will not built the concept for ‘comfortably under 30K,’ that it will be way more expensive, they will cheap it out, they will not hit any deadlines for mules, plants, prototypes, batteries or final delivery date, or their stated production numbers, etc.

    That being said, I still want one, and that I also have a wicked winning streak of predictions going, lol ….other than forseeing a massive, and historically unprecedented gov’t intervention.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (9:34 pm)

    Between the bailouts and the 40 grand purchase price, this car will cost each of us over a billion dollars per unit sold. If they ever sell one.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (9:39 pm)

    For those who want to stop using oil, the Volt will likely reduce the average driver’s fuel consumption by a factor of 5 (maybe more, depending upon your driving needs). It will be difficult to find a better choice other than the “range anxiety” pure BEV.

    For those who want an environmentally friendly vehicle, there are no tailpipe emissions for the first 40 miles, and after that you get ~50 mpg. So overall emissions are low.

    Then, for the enthusiast, step on the gas (or do we say step on the amperage) and get an exciting car to drive, that also is very silent.

    So anti-oil, green, and performance-oriented drivers will all find value in the Volt.

    Even if the after-tax cost for this car is in the 35 to 40k range, I believe GM will have no problem selling these cars for the first year or two. Why?

    Because the test drive is as important or even more important than the specs. This is where the emotional factor takes over. If you want a Volt for any of the above reasons, and after the test drive say as both Phil and Matt stated, “Very Impressive”, then its difficult to go back to some hybrid that only does 0 to 60 in 12 seconds.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (9:46 pm)

    #69 Tagamet says “You are right that the Easter “deadline” was missed and it was GM with the egg facial.”

    #76 DonC said:
    Not exactly. Lutz was complaining that Easter that year came very early in the year (I once had a divinity student explain how you get the Easter date — whew!). His claim was that they only needed another three weeks. IOW he meant Easter in a normal year. Good thing November doesn’t move around like that! LOL
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    Actually, Lutz promised press/media rides by last Easter.

    (And Easter rarely comes in June, when he actually drove one himself).
    http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/05/bob-lutz-test-drives-the-first-chevy-volt-early-prototype-and-says-it-was-electrifying/


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (9:48 pm)

    $40K, fugly, and a two year wait… sad :(


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (9:53 pm)

    40 Miles advertised = 32 miles real world. =-)


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (10:02 pm)

    @RB
    You’re right. You should let Statik speak for himself.

    @Statik
    Sorry if I misunderstood, or was unable to split the particular hair that said the Volt will never hit the road because GM never intended to produce it (which is definitely the way I read your initial posts) or that GM had all the good intentions in the world and would produce it if they’d just survive as a company.
    Be well,
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    Jan 8th, 2009 (10:03 pm)

    Please not $40,000.

    There are probably a million buyers at $40,000 but I won’t be one of them.
    It MUST be highest quality and they Must get the price down.

    Can GM do it ? Can GM survive at all ? That is their problem to solve. I think they can. I hope they will.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (10:14 pm)

    #86 Tag

    @Statik
    Sorry if I misunderstood, or was unable to split the particular hair that said the Volt will never hit the road because GM never intended to produce it (which is definitely the way I read your initial posts) or that GM had all the good intentions in the world and would produce it if they’d just survive as a company.
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    Dunno, how my post got that long my friend…it just started to run on.

    I swear it started out as just, “I have always believed in the Volt…just not in GM itself”…then I kept on endlessly expounding on points until I ran out of 1s and 0s.

    I went back and read it again…and it seems a little over the top and unnecessary…sorry about that bud.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (10:17 pm)

    SAD…. We saw an incredible looking Camaro-esque prototype in the begining and now we wind up with a dull looking P.O.S with a $40K price tag. For that much the wheels should sync into 4wd !! I was hooked on the Volt early on, but the lack of style and boldness made me throw the hook. The only way I would buy it would buy the Volt would be if either oil goes up to $5 a gal or the Volt price comes down into the $20 – $25K range.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (10:18 pm)

    BillR brings up a very good point. I’ve test driven a prius. I just couldn’t bring myself to purchase one. The performance just wasn’t there. I for one want a fully electric car with tons of torque. Its the only way I’ll enjoy driving the car.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (10:24 pm)

    Statik@88

    Not a problem, friend. Passion is good (and we both have it).
    Be well,
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    Jan 8th, 2009 (10:24 pm)

    It’ll never happen. There aren’t enough rare earth elements in the world to make all those batteries. Even Toyota is worried about sourcing their metals since China will be stopping the supply to the world in the next few years. Electric cars are dead in the water without the materials to make the batteries and the electric motors. Don’t take my word for it, do some research for yourself.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (10:27 pm)

    For those who want an environmentally friendly vehicle, there are no tailpipe emissions for the first 40 miles, and after that you get ~50 mpg.
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    Volt runs the engine in the winter for cold starts.

    Volt range is reduced when the A/C or Heater is run.

    Volt range is reduced from high-speed travel.

    Don’t wreck the credibility of Volt by promoting what isn’t realistic.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (10:52 pm)

    Why have they changed the original design? It looked really interesting before. Now it looks like they DON’T WANT to sell it. Also, $40K????? are you frigging kidding me? Make it look, if not ugly at least uninteresting. Then jack the price to something mostly unaffordable. Great marketing plan. I hope GM goes out of business. Toyota and Honda will come out with the same car; more reliable; better looking and cheaper. Screw GM.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (10:57 pm)

    Hey!! I’d like to show my ignorance here…. I’d like to complain about how the Volt is not sexah like the concept….(hasn’t this been beaten like a dead horse?) Then, I’d like to prattle on (as if I’m an expert) about how the Volt just keeps looking like an ordinary car (I don’t realize that it’s not the Volt, it’s acually a Cruze mule with semi-baked prototype Volt guts). Then, I’ll go on about how I don’t like the hubcaps; thinking that a $12 set from Pep Boys set would look much better (not realizing that this is just a test vehicle, and that GM might want to make the car look at least a little bit like a test vehicle, so as to not confuse with the finished product). Then, I can finish with the fact that I’ve been reading about this car for over a year (and because of this, “I’ve had enough…take my name off the list!! This car is a debacle, GM is horrible (go anything Japanese!) and they deserve to go bankrupt (and fry in eternal hell).”

    ~~ slap!!! ~~

    Hehe, just what I am seeing between the lines, please forgive me…


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (11:11 pm)

    Making a car attractive and interesting to drive IS a real point. Why shouldn’t it be a good looking car? The Porsche is. The Mustang is (it’s why I have a 65′ for weekends). There’s no reason why just because a car is electric it has to be ugly. Not many people go out and buy a car saying:”oh, great, just what I was looking for; an ugly car that makes me feel like I’m my 80 year old grand mother. I’m 59 and trust me I want a good looking car that ALSO functions well.


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    Jan 8th, 2009 (11:30 pm)

    $40k price point is too high….period.


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (12:06 am)

    NO SECRET AS TO WHY GM IS GOING BANKRUPT!

    This car had so much potential to be a home-run for GM until the design team got a hold of it. This car has the worst curb appeal of any GM vehicle! Let’s take doors from an old Saturn Ion, the blue prints from a Cobalt and the front end of the new Aveo, put it in a blender and walaa. A VOLT!


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (12:11 am)

    Every time I see that concept, I get a little happier with the production version…

    The concept looks like something some ’50′s teenagers cobbled together. – Outdated before it even matured. Can you imagine what the visibility must be out of that tank-slit windshield?

    The production version looks like a REAL car, and is one H**l of a lot better looking than the Prius. (And most other production cars out there right now, IMO.)


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (12:17 am)

    Anagram fun
    Matt Lauer | RAT AT MULE


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (12:25 am)

    What am I missing? People following the Volt love the idea of going 40 miles electric, but how many of them bought 100 mile+ electric cars offered during the last couple of decades, or are interested now in ones with high acceleration going 100+ miles on a charge available today? Range extender? If GM has a powertrain that gets close to 50 mpg, why add lots of expensive batteries? Just sell it for $25k now while they work on the battery stuff. Oh, wait, Toyota, Nissan and a dozen other companies are already doing that… What is the concept here? An electric car, 40 mile range (w/out A/C) that hauls around a gas engine and stale gasoline for the possibility that one day the owner might need to go 45 miles instead? Help me understand the attraction, please! Yes, I loved the styling of the concept car, and I love the idea of everyone’s daily driver being electric, but is this $40k for 40 miles really going to sell to the American public?


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (12:26 am)

    I am really amazed that people are complaining about how expensive the Volt is. Shouldn’t that wait until we actually see a sticker price??

    And what is ugly to you isn’t necessarily ugly to others….

    If you do not like the Volt, buy something else. Pretty simple really.

    For me, the Volt will reduce my gasoline consumption by 90%. And have great technology to boot! Seems like a winner!!!


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (12:32 am)

    The beauty of the Volt is the performance, the styling, the economy, did I say performance ? Anybody who wants to buy and hold a car for more than a couple of years will buy a Volt. The $40,000 price tag is for R&D and batteries. For the people who prefer to gourmet eating at the Golden Arches there’s always the Prius. The Volt is so cutting edge compared to anything else..

    Americans like cutting edge technology even if it’s deemed expensive. That’s why everyone has a big screen TV, and the latest cell phone glued to their head. People buy these things because they like new gadgetry. GM will surely go bankrupt if they listen to the negative comments.


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (1:07 am)

    I’ve followed the Volt concept for more than a year and a half now. Originally, I believed the idea to be “make an AFFORDABLE electric vehicle available to the general public”. However, at 40K as mentioned in this add the price is not practical for about 80% of the public. The idea is to sell large quantities of vehicles to not only cover the cost of R&D but to also justify it. If GM spent 5Billion in R&D on the volt but sales are a flop because of the price being too high, then you can’t justify the money spent on R&D no matter how GREAT the car may be! I currently drive an SLK350 and I want to buy the Volt when it is available. But I don’t think I would be willing to pay 40K for it. After all, it is just a Chevy no matter what’s under the hood. My top offer on this vehicle would be around the 30K mark, anything higher just isn’t worth it. Besides that, the people who need to save money on gas the most, won’t be able to afford it. I think that’s a shame!!!!! I hope GM doesn’t blow this one-but they probably will and the 40K price tag is what will do it. Also, has anyone heard what size the gas tank is going to be on the Volt? JUST CURIOUS!


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (1:18 am)

    Why are some threads so good at bringing the negative nancies out of the woodwork? :)

    I am rooting for GM and the Volt even though I have no plans to own Gen. 1 and will likely never own one. There’s still plenty of time for things to go wrong, unfortunately.


  106. [...] Dennis of GMVolt.com was able to talk to Phil LeBeau who drove the car, and LeBeau at this to [...]


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (1:40 am)

    What is so amazing about the Volt? The EV1 was the first electric car and people loved them until GM decided to kill them. Now they bring them back in the form of the Volt and we are supposed to think they are revolutionary??


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (3:08 am)

    I like the new plug in Vue.

    The owner has 250 HP muscle and about 30 mpg complete with family hauling capability. This is a huge improvement over current 160 HP family haulers that get under 25 mpg.

    There is similar appeal with the Volt.

    The combination of owning something more substantial than the two dozen current downsized economy car offerings from Japan and Korea. The “power and torque” factor of all-time electric drive. And the previously unheard of economy which for some will settle into the 100′s of mpg range.

    One of the biggest benefits is driver control concerning the use of gasoline burning. It’s safe to say that the Volt will resell and trade-in well. And offers clean quiet operation.

    =D~


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (3:19 am)

    Why should GM leave money on the table? If they sell all the Volts they can make at $40K then the Dealers will be selling them above sticker and GM won’t directly get any benefit.

    I only wish that NBC piece had done a better job distinguishing between the prototype, the Cruze mule and the production Volt. Those of us following the Volt understand, but there are millions of newbies now complaining about the looks of the mule.


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (3:22 am)

    Gotta love how the mainstream coverage brings out the newbies.

    Answers:
    1. You can’t have one today because the car’s assembly line and quantities of its custom parts do not exist. The ability to mass produce the battery exists by all knowledgeable accounts, but the factory itself does not.
    2. The styling has changed because concepts are not reality. The well loved concept car has all the aerodynamic qualities of a brick on wheels. Making a production intent car is entirely different and a large number of compromises and changes had to be made to make something you can actually drive.
    3. $40K… yeah, that sucks. GM’s last statement on it was actually closer to 40 than 30 but they haven’t actually set a price. There is already a tax credit on the books that the car will qualify for ($7K or so) bringing the car closer to reasonable. If they’d made it a Cadillac instead and upgraded the interior they could have easily charged $55K and no one would have blinked.
    4. Welcome aboard, join the wait list.


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (3:42 am)

    Mike A

    After all, it is just a Chevy no matter what’s under the hood.

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    Ok we can agree a car is a car even if it’s, “only a Chevy” as any top-line euro car buyer will tell you. I think some folks get a little too caught up in the marquee attraction of a nameplate (even GM has thought about selling the Corvette as it’s own stand-alone brand in Europe) , but that’s just my opinion. Fuel capacity six gallons.


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (3:47 am)

    The Cruze body on the Volt E-REV platform (pictured above) gives a view of how a tall driver will fit into the delta models. I believe Wags is well over 6′ tall.

    The first version of the Cruze will be a sedan, but other body styles, including hatchbacks and wagons, are likely to come to market soon thereafter. The Cobalt-replacing Cruze will be built in Lordstown, Ohio.

    http://garfwod.250free.com/Photos/VOLT_NoGas_Michigan.JPG

    =D~


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (5:29 am)

    I didn’t think anything could get me more eager about this car but I was wrong.


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (6:02 am)

    Mitch #28 says,
    Because GM CANNOT afford to have ANY issues with the Volt..it MUST be flawless

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    Yes. Unfortunately, it is a very hard spot to be in.


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (6:43 am)

    My initial reaction is, it had better be quite a bit under 40k, especially with the auto bailout fresh on everyones minds(and probably more bailout money to come). If its 40 or above, you have just put yourself further behind the eightball, the average person will not buy it, especially in this economy.


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (6:57 am)

    #93 John1701a

    My quote “For those who want an environmentally friendly vehicle, there are no tailpipe emissions for the first 40 miles, and after that you get ~50 mpg.”
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    Volt runs the engine in the winter for cold starts.
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    I believe this is only if the battery is below freezing. After a night of plug-in, the battey will likely be warm since it has a heater. However, if you have better data, please provide it.

    For drivers in warmer climates, this may never be needed. For drivers in cold climates, this will be needed only on cold days when the Volt has not been plugged in and has sat in the cold for hours.

    Since this probably represents less than 5% of the time nationwide, aren’t we getting a little picky?
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    Volt range is reduced when the A/C or Heater is run.
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    Again, do you have good data that says AER will go below 40 miles with the AC/heater? How do you know that GM hasn’t allowed for some AC/heater operation in its 40 mile spec?

    Aren’t we getting a little touchy here?
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    Volt range is reduced from high-speed travel.
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    As is most every vehicle on the market. Couldn’t we say this is obvious? Why such sensitivity to these statements?
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    Are you a Prissy fanboy?

    http://john1701a.com/

    Of Course, the Prissy has reduced MPG in cold weather (from about 50 to 42 mpg in southern Maine according to my friend), will lose mpg when the AC is run, and also when driven at high speeds.
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    Don’t wreck the credibility of Volt by promoting what isn’t realistic.
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    How’s this from an overall general perspective: On a US06 driving cycle, the original comment is applicable. Does that help clarify things for you?

    PS: How’s that Tech-FAQ coming?


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (7:20 am)

    #99 Brewster said
    “Every time I see that concept, I get a little happier with the production version…
    The concept looks like something some ’50’s teenagers cobbled together. – Outdated before it even matured.”
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    It is interesting though that NBC, an organization filled with directors an producers who are exquisitely sensitive to visuals and their impact on the general population, decided that they needed to bring back the concept for their program.


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (7:40 am)

    Some people insinuated on this forum that the price of the future Volt may come down after the initial $40,000 tag. When it comes to cars, history has it that price always go up. If GM is pinning it’s hope on the Volt, I suggest not to go the way of Tesla Roadstar. Thirty thousand Dollar tag would put Toyota on the spot and make many people want to drivan American again. At $40,000 tag, I would keep looking elsewhere for a brand new car. Good luck, GM!


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (7:58 am)

    This video is great but some of the clips of the mules give the impression to the unwashed masses that the Volt looks like some old Hyundai that used to sell for $9,995.

    IMO, The production Volt looks very nice. Looks will not hold it back. From many angles, it looks very similar to the Acura TL.


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (8:06 am)

    I didn’t have time to read the whole thread so I apologize if someone has already said this.

    But maybe they did not put nice hubcaps or wheels on the car because it is a MULE. It is a research car and still under construction. Perhaps they did not want to give the impression that this is a finished product.

    You must admit it does kinda look that way without hubcaps.


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (8:31 am)

    TOYOTA AND HONDA ARE RUNNING SCARED!!!

    Why? I state this because since the start of the and year after the bailout occured, and we KNOW GM will survive..the number of trolls on this site has risen incredibly…

    All these posters talking price, range, as negatives, that have been covered here for ages, posting stupid comments, not even reading the subject at hand…

    like this thread..NBC drives mule..and someone posts about styling..um it was like changed a year ago??

    Its hard not to feed them…approved foods are..” please research before you post so you do not look like an idiot.”

    I admit I feed them too..its hard not to..they are soo cute..but really we need to stop encouraging them…

    I lurked and learned before joining here…its not hard…

    Thank you…


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (8:31 am)

    #86 Tag says (to me) “@RB
    You’re right. You should let Statik speak for himself.”
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    Indeed it is beyond imagination that I would or could do otherwise :)


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (8:40 am)

    You can talk about “mules” all you want. I think this is pretty close to what GM intends to produce. What happened to the ultra-cool Volt concept? This prototype looks like a grandpa car to me. The corporate bureaucrats must have wimped it down to appease the oil companies. No wonder the auto industry is hurting.


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (8:41 am)

    Just lurcking around


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (8:44 am)

    #121 Mitch

    Thanks. Good Observations.


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (8:54 am)

    Whe I saw the Volt at the Javitz show I was very excited about the concept and the look. Still like the concept – look is leaving me cold. I knew the prototype was a one off concept car and the production model would need to be brought down a notch or two but they have gone too far in dumbing it down if the really expect this to sell it in the 30-35K range. Sorry GM , looks like I’ll be looking at the Camry Hybrid closer rather then wait for this.


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (8:58 am)

    Next gen Astra was leaked to the web…in Brazil, lol. This is significant to us, because it is the brother to the Volt. It has a grainy picture (and a lot of Brazilian text). Has the same shape/window form etc, although it has a more Euro hatch rear end:
    http://www.carangoblog.com/post/528/imagem-mostra-o-novo-opel-astra-sem-nenhum-disfarce

    Here is a similar Volt angle…if you want to compare:
    http://www.gm-volt.com/galleries/album/72157607038955164/photo/2862312653/Production-Chevy-Volt-Production-Chevy-Volt-Reveal-1.html

    PS) Morning RB (#117)…time to punch the clock?


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (9:09 am)

    #122 statik — Morning RB (#117)…time to punch the clock?
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    And a fine good morning to you, statik. :)


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (9:17 am)

    We need to change peoples’ mind set on the economic life of a vehicle. We have been conditioned to think in terms of ICE cars. Electric cars may not be so disposable – a 20 year life might be reasonable. The early adopter price gets a leetle more palatable when you start to think you ‘could’ keep the thing a very long time if you wanted. I’m guessing it Shouldn’t cost so much to replace the electric motor and for local driving, who knows how long the ICE might hold in there?. GM has already spoken of modular batteries and That’s good. So old fashioned people like me might keep their vintage Volts for 20 years or more. I’m never gonna get rid of mine – my kids’ll have to do it.


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (9:21 am)

    PS: Lyle , I certainly hope GM has let you drive a mule but have sworn you to secrecy. It’s hard to believe they could dis you that way. What are they thinking?


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (9:23 am)

    Hmmm …. I’m looking forward to seeing what GM has in mind at the Detroit Auto show with this concept 2 door Cadillac Coupe that will have the Volt’s electric drive technology. I bet it’s going to look pretty good. Let’s hope so. GM needs all the cool looking exterior designs they can get.

    http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/jan2009/db2009018_417365.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index+-+temp_news+%2B+analysis

    “General Motors (GM) may have the biggest surprise. Even though GM is reeling from billions in losses and the need for government loans to stay afloat, the 100-year-old carmaker will show a brash Cadillac two-door coupe that would run on the same electric drive system as the ballyhooed Chevrolet Volt, which is scheduled to hit the market in 2010. The Volt’s system runs exclusively on an electric motor and can go 40 miles before a small gasoline engine kicks in to recharge the battery.

    Several sources inside GM say the Cadillac is just a demonstration, or “concept,” car. But it shows that the company plans to go well beyond a small, four-passenger Chevrolet with its electric-drive technology. The new Cadillac is smaller than the Caddy CTS sedan but wears a bolder look even than the highly stylized CTS two-door coupe. One GM executive says the Caddy’s drop-dead dramatic styling will make “people want it regardless of the energy source.”


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (9:24 am)

    Interesting tidbit out of GM’s 8-K on Monday:

    GM built 823,000 vehicles in Q4 2008….Q4′s rate would have put them at a pace for annual sales in 2009 @ 3.3 million. GM only sold 2.9M units in 2008, and yearly forecasts for GM in 2009 are only around 2 million units for 2009). Additionally, GM only sold about 600K in Q4….they knowingly over produced just basic demand by some 250,000 units, while still knowing that dealers where carrying monster inventory overstocks and would not buy those cars off them.

    Where they just building as many as they could before they went under?

    Or where they looking to hang a huge loss on fiscal year 2008, and carry that inventory forward and sell those cars in 2009, while cutting the heck out of production…and make it look like they were being much more successful that they are…and therby making ‘the plan’ look like it is working?

    GM’s reported production estimate for Q1 2009?
    Only 420,000 (Thats a 1.7m annualized rate)

    http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=84530&p=irol-SECText&TEXT=aHR0cDovL2NjYm4uMTBrd2l6YXJkLmNvbS94bWwvZmlsaW5nLnhtbD9yZXBvPXRlbmsmaXBhZ2U9NjA1OTQwNiZkb2M9MiZudW09NA%3d%3d

    /somewhere there is a ‘pant load’ of cars just sitting in a huge corporate parking lot…I’m thinking maybe at a air field or two somewhere


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (9:29 am)

    It has been mentioned that GM will extend the E-FLEX to other vehicles, possibly another sedan.

    For myself, I see the Volt as a small car, but obviously good as a starter vehicle or for a commuter vehicle. Personally, I would like something a little bigger.

    Thus I see what might be GM’s next E-FLEX sedan. The new Buick LaCrosse. See more here:

    http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f63/naias-09-2010-buick-lacrosse-73739/

    This is a new vehicle built on GM’s new Epsilon II platform. It is FWD, but has an optional AWD. It appears to be very aerodynamic and has an interior that looks similar to the Volt.

    I believe something similar to this could be the next E-FLEX sedan.


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (9:37 am)

    The first 250,000 to 500,000 will be higher priced. As battery technology changes and production is in full gear, the price may come down. I thought that there was going to be a $7500 tax refund on the first 250,000 sold. Is this plan still in effect?


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (10:03 am)

    I have no idea why GM is planning on making heat with electric energy. I had an old Corvair that had a gasoline heater. It never gave me any trouble. As the car got older it was hard to start in cold weather. I rewired the heater to get rid of the ignition interlock. I then ran a duct back to the engine. I would go out before breakfast and fire up the heater. Then eat breakfast and the engine would be warmed up and start with NO problems. Yes it was parked outside.
    They could do this for battery heat on the Volt. JMHO

    Take Care
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    Jan 9th, 2009 (10:08 am)

    #134 John

    The first 250,000 to 500,000 will be higher priced. As battery technology changes and production is in full gear, the price may come down. I thought that there was going to be a $7500 tax refund on the first 250,000 sold. Is this plan still in effect?

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    Couple things:

    If they max, MAX out production and hit their own deadlines, and what you say is true, the price will come down after 250,000 to 500,000 units..that is a long time.

    2011 production (GM on record): 10,0000
    2012 max production (Hamtramck- 1 line): +60,000 = 70,000
    2013 max production: +60,000 =130,000
    2014 max production: +60,000 =190,000
    2015 max production: +60,000 =240,000
    2016 max production: +60,000 =290,000

    So best case is your looking at 2016? Volt gen 2 would be around by then. They can’t built in extra capacity (re-extra line) until at least 2014-2015…and you would have to believe they would be thinking gen 2 long before that.

    As for, “I thought that there was going to be a $7500 tax refund on the first 250,000 sold. Is this plan still in effect?”

    It is. Unfortunately for GM, the wording was changed from ‘per manufacturer’ in the draft legislation to ‘industry’ ….meaning that everyone can access that pie…up until the 250K is sold.

    Any car hitting up 5kWh will be getting that rebate. Meaning that every Tesla, Fisker, Aptera (if it happens), Chrysler ENVI, Mitsu i-Miev, Prius (plug-in) sold in America will be racing for those rebates. With GM’s goal to push out 10,000 copies by the start of 2012…you have to believe that a good majority of those rebates will fall into competitor’s hands.

    (Hard to estimate the breakdown of who will get what, until we see what capacity limitations Toyota puts on the Plug-In Options in 2011…and of course Mitsu’s international plans…as well if GM hits its deadlines)


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (10:09 am)

    Are you a Prissy fanboy?
    _____________________________

    Thank you for taking the SMUG label.


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (10:13 am)

    Good product. Bad price.
    My ’00 Insight still gets 55-60 mpg. The battery technology, and mechanical/aerodynamic efficiency is there, I don’t understand what GM’s delay is; they’ve had plenty of time to work out the bugs already. The Chinese will beat GM in timing and price with electric plug-ins retailing around 20K. I still want a Volt, but not at 40K.


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (10:21 am)

    I think GM is going to be left in the dust waiting 2 more years to deploy this car. Dodge will be out first with 3 models, a full year ahead. Come on GM, get it done!


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (10:23 am)

    I should pray for $.99 a gallon gas, ’cause people will go for their SUVs and 4x4s, I’ll get my PHEV for a premium, and when gas skyrockets back to $4.89 a gallon, then the line at the dealership for Volts will be insatiable.


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (10:34 am)

    Alright, I’m done trying to convince myself that the hideous buick-esque body style is okay. This car obviously uses amazing technology, but they teased us with this amazing concept car and then suddenly made it butt-ass ugly. WTF?

    NO THANKS GM! I think I’ll wait for a more customer-oriented company such as Toyota or Nissian to make a much more aesthetically pleasing electric car (which may happen faster than you can manufacture a handfull of these things!)

    Take me off the waiting list.

    –A once proud Impala owner.


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (10:51 am)

    A cruz shell on a Volt drivetrain on TV. Pretty good news overall.

    It would be great of people educated themselves on the difference between a Volt concept, the Prius, the Insight, the Tesla, the EV1, and all the reasons that the Volt is different, BEFORE they made posts that made no sense. I guess that’s too much to ask.

    Lyle, we need some info on financial arrangements. The sticker price is actually less important than the payment. If a loan gives you 10 years to pay off a Volt because it’s expected to last that long, 40,000 dollars is more reachable. It’s also a net cost savings when total cost of ownership and operation stays under 50K for 10 years (assuming repairs, electrons, fuel, and interest do not amount to 10k in 10 years).

    Just like MPG is the wrong metric for mileage, sticker price may be the wrong metric for value.


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (10:56 am)

    Ok, the propaganda begins! I love it how they throw in the concept car to get people to think that is what it might look like. I will tell you what, that concept car looks amazing, but the production model….I am sorry I will continue to buy used. What is so insulting is that you have got these rich people all fauning over this car and you can be sure…they will never buy one (for primary use). How dare we bail out these incompetent companies that offer this type of product!


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (11:02 am)

    Eco-

    Regardless of how it’s financed, a sticker price is a sticker price (at least for someone who is financially responsible.)

    If a car has an overall cost of 40K, I have to pay that at somepoint (again, regardless of even interest) whether it be now, over the course of 10 years, or over the next 3 decades. If you can’t forsee financing a car appropriately on the date of purchase, then it shouldn’t be purchased. I’ll never buy something that I can’t afford making the assumption that I might be able to afford it in 10 years.

    Oh, and I’m not sure if the smug comment you made about people educating themselves on various cars was directed at my previous comment, but even if it was, the fact still remains:

    THE VOLT IS OFFICIALLY UGLY. And as a male in his 20s, I’d rather not drive a car that looks like it could be an oldsmobile. More importantly, I’d rather not spend 40K on it.


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (11:14 am)

    What a long strange trip it has been…
    I was on the old forum (under a different name & email) a couple of days after this web site started. Sure has been entertaining.

    While I have HUGE respect for Statik, I predicted the bailout!
    The alternative would be to sell GM to the Russians as Packard was after the war (remember that?)

    I am looking forward to the Detroit show, off to the next headline.

    Red HHR (with plenty of baggage)


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (11:15 am)

    You changed the “LOOK” , I really don’t like the way it looks now. The price is way too high, I understand China will have a car for sale in the USA shortly for under $20,000. What is wrong with picture??Why can’t this be built with the adverge person in the loop??


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (11:32 am)

    Good to see it is still getting some press.

    Personally I am still VERY VERY disappointed that GM chickened out on the looks of the production Volt, still looks too much like a Cobalt. Really wish they would have stuck closer to the looks of the concept. Me an my friends have started referring to the production model as the “Watt” instead of the “Volt”.

    However, it is good to hear it has some giddy up and go. Just wish it would look more updated then it does. Looks aren’t everything, but …


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (12:26 pm)

    #145 Red HHR

    While I have HUGE respect for Statik, I predicted the bailout!

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    +1
    You the man on that one. I conceed to your forecasting skills.

    I was busy making up acronyms like, ‘GSB’ – government sponsored bankruptcy to get them out of this mess. I think the concept is similar, but no ugliness of bankruptcy…if they can follow through.

    …you never know, you might still see it, hehe. In which I case I will be taking my +1 back, lol.

    /have a good one


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (12:40 pm)

    Let’s face it: the Volt will be going head-to-head with the Toyota Prius, especially if Toyota adds the plug-in capability by 2010. The 2009 Prius has a list price of $22,720.00 to $24,990.00. THAT is the price range GM needs to aim for. The average American cannot afford a $35,000 car. That’s large SUV/pickup/luxury car territory.


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (12:42 pm)

    Not a good looking car anymore. Was a better design when it was more of a concept. GM, pull your old thinking asses out of your heads. This new design makes a cool car look like a Government vehicle…or something some grandparent would own.


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (1:07 pm)

    Price will be key with the new Volt. It is going to be faced with stiff competition from several auto makers. GM is either going to be faced with low sales due to a “high” price for the Volt or with huge losses due to a “low” price for the Volt. It is damned if you do and damned if don’t.


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (1:09 pm)

    @100 ThombDbhomb,

    >> Anagram fun
    >> Matt Lauer | RAT AT MULE

    Damn… that’s spot on, buddy. Once again, a not-so-random reordering of letters has revealed truth to us all.

    And although I’m no fan of “SMS word shortening”… another one pops to mind: “MALTREAT U”.


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (1:22 pm)

    #148 Statik

    Thank You, a number of different scenarios are possible. I will cast my lot with a replay of the original Chrysler bailout. The K-car to be replaced by the E-flex, new variations as fast as the can develop them.

    The wild card is the price of oil, the new technology is more expensive! Most people, myself included, will shop to a certain extent on cost. Whether it be per mile or upfront.

    so, if I can make another prediction… There will be some sort of gas tax. that way more people will consider the “new” GM offerings. They do have a lot of cash to pay back.

    My calculations, although somewhat crude, say they need to repay $10,000 per vehicle sold. That does not include the massive parking lot with unsold vehicles. Maybe they (Uncle Sam) could send them to Russia, or someplace. It would be better than crushing them.

    Red HHR (All the best to you)


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (1:27 pm)

    I love what they are doing but by the time it comes out, the market will have even MORE choices. At the price they are talking about for this car they better hope gas is 8 bucks a gallon.


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (1:44 pm)

    No materials to make all those batteries and the Prius will die as well…..would love to see it work but the Chinese are in control. We’ll be lucky to still have Ipods, cell phones, and fancy TV’s by 2013.

    9 January 2009
    CHINESE RARE EARTHS EXPORT QUOTA REDUCED FOR 2009

    The Foreign Trade Department of the Ministry of Commerce of the People’s Republic of China, Industrial Product Export Division, has released 15,043 tonnes of approved Rare Earths export quota for the first half of 2009. This is a reduction of 34% compared to the first six months’ quota for last year. Historically the second tranche is of similar or lower quantity compared to the initial tranche. Therefore the total 2009 quota is expected to be less than 30,000 tonnes as China continues to protect its mineral resource exports. This represents a 25% decrease in total quota tonnage compared to the annualised 2008 figure.
    Export quotas on Rare Earths products were introduced by the Chinese government in 2003 to limit the export of China’s strategic resource. The tonnage of quota has been decreasing each year. In 2006, the volume dropped to 48,000 tonnes, and in 2007 it declined to 43,574 tonnes. Half-way through last year, the Chinese government adjusted the release dates of export quota by two months to January and July every year. The initial 2008 tranche was 22,780 tonnes and the second was 11,376 tonnes, however this second tranche covered four months to the end of December. Therefore the total of 34,156 tonnes released in 2008 was for a 10-month period, which equated to an annual volume of 40,987 tonnes.


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (1:44 pm)

    Still having a hard time justifying $40,000.00 for a new tech car. Hopefully they will be able to lower the sticker price for the people that kept them from going under because of poor management practices.


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (1:51 pm)

    I have always been a GM fan but I am very disapointed on the price tag. It first started off around the 20K mark and now it has doubled.
    They are missing the people who need it the most. If you can afford 40K then you can afford the higher fuel price. Then why would you need it? Makes no sense.


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (3:02 pm)

    I just got my refund check from Aptera because they said they’d have a car by the end of 08 which they now say is end of 09. I was interested in a Volt but didn’t want to wait til 2010. but now I can!!!


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (3:22 pm)

    #159 David:

    I just got my refund check from Aptera because they said they’d have a car by the end of 08 which they now say is end of 09. I was interested in a Volt but didn’t want to wait til 2010. but now I can!!!

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    Nice. Didn’t want to let your money ride huh? Or take them up on their attempt to get you to change it to ‘non-refundable’ status, so they can keep the lights on, in exchange for $250 bucks off? Lol.

    /I don’t blame you.


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (3:28 pm)

    #153 Red HHR said:

    #148 Statik

    Thank You, a number of different scenarios are possible. I will cast my lot with a replay of the original Chrysler bailout. The K-car to be replaced by the E-flex, new variations as fast as the can develop them.

    The wild card is the price of oil, the new technology is more expensive! Most people, myself included, will shop to a certain extent on cost. Whether it be per mile or upfront.

    so, if I can make another prediction… There will be some sort of gas tax. that way more people will consider the “new” GM offerings. They do have a lot of cash to pay back.

    My calculations, although somewhat crude, say they need to repay $10,000 per vehicle sold. That does not include the massive parking lot with unsold vehicles. Maybe they (Uncle Sam) could send them to Russia, or someplace. It would be better than crushing them.

    Red HHR (All the best to you)
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    I’m with you on the gas tax. Although I don’t think it will be to support PZEV/ZEV projects or to cause demand for them.

    I think it is a foregone conclusion because they desperately need it to repair America’s roads and bridges. Not only is the tax not had a price hike to keep up with inflation in ages, but the fund has been raided for ‘other projects’

    With the clamoring for jobs, gas prices currently low and the clamoring for ‘new job creation’, I fully expect them to slap on at least 20 cents more in tax at any moment.

    However, they probably need more like .50 to a $1 per gallon…maybe they do some kind of multiple year phase in. The US needs to bite the bullet on a lot of these programs that have been neglected/raided over the years (SS/medicare too)


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (4:21 pm)

    Was $30K +/-, then $35K +/-, now $40K +/-. Who’s kidding who? It will initially sell for $45K +/- with added dealer markup. They won’t get a lion’s share of the market at those numbers and they need to. I doubt many here, when push comes to shove, will stroke a check in that amount for this car. Talk is cheap right now but by the end of 2010 there will be many other choices at price points significantly less. I join the rest of you in my excitement for a plug-in but economics will rule when the actual day of availability comes. Wait a couple of years after the initial introduction until pricing realism sets in and the wrinkles get ironed out. That is a better strategy.


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (5:21 pm)

    GM had better pull their head out quick. I won’t ok another bailout. Get rid of the Covolt NOW. Bring back the concept styling or my next million dollars worth of car purchases will be made in Japan. I am done waiting and I am done making excuses for engineering that is poor because GM management refuses to sell a long range electric for a decent price. If GM management gave the green light today, There would be decent Volts coming off the assembly line in 30 days. HOW STUPID DO YOU THINK WE ARE? I’ll be damned if I allow any golden paprachutes for dimwits who won’t get off the pot.


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (6:29 pm)

    161 Steve W.: “Was $30K +/-, then $35K +/-, now $40K +/-. Who’s kidding who? It will initially sell for $45K +/- with added dealer markup. They won’t get a lion’s share of the market at those numbers and they need to.”

    Sorry you don’t make sense. How can the dealer add markups if they don’t sell?


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (6:30 pm)

    @ john meshede
    “long range electric for a decent price”

    I love people who just have to have their cake and eat it too.


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (7:01 pm)

    Here are some more ideas which might have merit for considerations in reducing the base price of the Volt, so that more folks might be able to “get into it”.
    1. Very productive options which run off the Volts power system may be worth very high-end costs for the applications, such as:
    * 120 Volt pure-sine power option (not “clunky” modified crude power inverters), to run anything from your tailgate party HD tv when at the game,
    or to run all of your power tools at a job site, displays at your conventions, etc.
    * 12 volt bi-directionally-filtered power buss option for extended use 12 volt systems. (Those 12 volt thermoelectric coolers, while very handy in preventing my frequent use of expensive restaurants when I make my lunch each morning,
    put out a lot of interference and confuses the processors in
    my 05 SUV). (The 14.5 volt to 12.5 standby-fuel-efficiency modes go back and forth erratically for the alternator, for example).
    * A mobile refrigeration unit option for medical personnel whom must transport medications,
    * An device I have previously described (where if GM engineering approves) that would allow the addition of another propulsion battery in the trunk, perhaps an A123 optional pack. That would require a type of device that could constantly provide for and test the discharging and charging of that extra battery at all times. An “Auxiliary Battery Acceptance Contactor Module” option was what I called that suggestion.
    If we constantly are thinking of ways to allow for a greater
    *price spread* with a lower-still base price
    for the Volt when it is *still timely enough* for these contributions to have potential merit, then we are doing what we can to be able to help a higher percentage of us afford a Volt. Especially where we know we need these options.
    Dan Petit Austin, TX


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (7:39 pm)

    As a male in his 20′s, I think the production car looks pretty good. :)

    Holy cow what a bunch of whiners! I can’t wait until we learn the actual price. People seem to think they can predict the future in that regard. Until then, I am POSITIVE that the Volt’s MSRP will be $41,999.64!

    Am I the only one who’s just thankful that the Volt program exists at all? Sure maybe the price/range/looks aren’t ideal, but just a few years ago I never would have guessed we’d see one of the Big 3 (or maybe any car maker, for that matter) committing itself to making a car like this! I’m just so glad that things are finally moving in the right direction!


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    [...] D­en­­n­­is of G­MVo­lt.co­m wa­s a­ble t­o­­ t­a­lk­ t­o­­ Ph­il [...]


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (8:07 pm)

    We all bitch and complain about why isn’t anybody doing anything for the environment. GM is giving us a chance to help save ourselves money(in the long run), help the environment and stick it to the oil companies. We can take a small hit on price(by purchasing a volt) but we are giving it to the oil companies, and at the same time helping save our planet.
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    Jan 9th, 2009 (9:15 pm)

    I read a lot of folks here are whining… waaaah! “Walmart hubcaps” waaaah! suck your thumb! waaaaa! Big freakin babies! Never happy, its never good enough but take these same lurkers and show them a Prius and they fawn all over it and laud it wonderfulness…. waaaah! Gimme a break. GM is doing something and I for one will try my best to afford a $40K electric car… while the rest of you whiners are reveling in how smokin’ hot your Prius is.


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (11:03 pm)

    Hahaha Bob S – that made my night!


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    Jan 9th, 2009 (11:13 pm)

    Cool, but now a 2011 model (barely)? They didn’t say if that was full blown production or the 5000 a year job… if it’s a 5000 a year job, then a 2012 or 13????

    The bad part is they are taking way too long. I mean you know all other guys are working on this stuff too, and they can be very fast at building cars. My prediction… by 2012 GM will be in the slow lane and be passed by others.

    So Sad too bad. I hope they are lying.. I mean they must have hit a big stumbling block to keep pushing the start date back.


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    Jan 10th, 2009 (1:17 am)

    #160 Statik

    Agreed, my thoughts precisely. Most times it would be political suicide, however with people clamoring for change (and solid party control) it may happen.

    Awaiting news from the Detroit show…


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    Jan 10th, 2009 (3:54 am)

    Everyone is complaining about the wheels. It’s a mule! Nobody cares about the looks of a mule. It could be under the skin of an Aztec and be driving on spare tire wheels for all I care. Also, painted steel is cheap. GM is in no position to be driving around fancy expensive mules when lowly cheap ones do the job just the same.


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    Jan 10th, 2009 (5:46 am)

    With all the current trouble encountered in the actual economic recession that we are living right now….. GM MUST release this type of vehicle RIGHT NOW in 2009 if they want to survive and prove that they can overcome any other present competitors.

    It is not a matter if the gas will be cheaper or not… It is first of all an effort to reduce pollution and trying to give a second chance to our planet.

    Please wake up…. I know this car is ready!… And I hope this time Politicians and the petroleum lobby won’t make the same mistake again and turn this project into another bad story like they did with the GM EV1 in the early 90.


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    Jan 10th, 2009 (7:31 am)

    Here’s a good before and after look at the Chevy Volt.

    Before: Chevy Volt concept electric car North American International Auto Show Detroit
    http://garfwod.250free.com/Photos/volt-before.jpg

    After: LA Auto Show 2008, Chevrolet Volt
    http://garfwod.250free.com/Photos/volt-after.jpg

    =D~


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    Jan 10th, 2009 (9:11 am)

    #174 Sylvain (Quebec, CANADA) Says: “GM MUST release this type of vehicle RIGHT NOW in 2009 if they want to survive …Please wake up…. I know this car is ready!…”
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    The Volt is not ready.

    GM doesn’t even have a Volt prototype. The EREV drive hasn’t yet been built into the Volt’s body. Once they have prototypes with all of the production parts working together, they will spend a long time testing to work out all the problems that arise in various situations. We don’t want a Volt lemon. Then in addition to designing the car and testing prototypes, they also have to design and manufacture the assembly line that will mass-produce the Volt. All this takes time.

    The reality is that it takes 3-5 years to develop any completely new car design, even without any new technology. For GM to start production design in 2007 and ship it in 2010 is a very fast schedule. I’m sure people at GM are working very long hours to meet the Nov. 2010 release date.

    November 2010. The date has not changed. We’ll just have to be patient.


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    Jan 10th, 2009 (9:15 am)

    #174 Sylvain (Quebec, CANADA) Says: “…I hope this time Politicians and the petroleum lobby won’t make the same mistake again and turn this project into another bad story like they did with the GM EV1 in the early 90.”
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    OPEC killed the electric car with cheap oil prices in the late 90′s. Looks like their trying the same thing now…


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    Jan 10th, 2009 (10:47 am)

    If the Volt cost $40,000 it will not save GM……..Only the rich and green wackos will be able to afford it…….. They need to find a way that normal Americans can buy it……..That is if GM is still around


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    Jan 10th, 2009 (12:29 pm)

    Hs says: “Sorry you don’t make sense. How can the dealer add markups if they don’t sell?”

    My point was merely that if the Volt indeed does have an MSRP of $40,000 the dealers will sell/take orders at a price significantly above the MSRP. History shows this to be true. Your $40.000 Volt( or whatever the MSRP turns out to be) will ultimately cost more because of additional dealer markup. I wasn’t suggesting that GM wouldn’t sell the VOLT due to price. They will sell Volts whenever they are made available but the high price will negatively affect the ultimate volume.

    By model year 2011, Honda, Toyota, Nissan, etc. will also be offering plug-ins, and if history does repeat itself, they will produce equal or better vehicles at a lower price point. It would be naive to assume that GM has a major jump on the plug-in vehicles we thirst for.

    Don’t get me wrong…I’m cheering on GM and their efforts. I only question their ability to bring the Volt to market at a price that will be attractive and affordable to the average consumer. $40,000+ will make it a niche car for early adopters and well heeled eco-conscious folks. It will not, at that price point, be a major component in changing the way people get around.


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    Jan 10th, 2009 (1:05 pm)

    Price seems to be a sensitive but true fact of life. It comes down to will the people on the waitlist actually buy the vehicle. If so, then at least the sales are there. The governments should increase the rebates to 8 to 10K for the first couple of years and give the Volt a chance.


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    Jan 10th, 2009 (1:52 pm)

    Brilliant. This car already has sparked the EV revolution. If it were not for Tesla which preceded Volt and now Volt – the Japanese would not be building a 200,000 units/year LiIon battery factory for their EVs.

    Nice work GM. And smart for Congress to invest in electrification of transportation. The billions saved in defending foreign oil producers and cost of purchasing ($700B annually) foreign oil will be a just reward for taxpayers.

    Bye bye oil. Hello clean electric energy.


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    Jan 10th, 2009 (2:00 pm)

    #142 ECO – said: It would be great if people educated themselves on the difference between a Volt concept, the Prius, the Insight, the Tesla, the EV1, and all the reasons that the Volt is different, BEFORE they made posts that made no sense. I guess that’s too much to ask.

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    Got any recommended links. ECO, Lyle? I have read all I can find, still can’t get an answer to how the Volt is different except for the software that depletes the battery before turning on the tag-along ICE. (please see my questions – as yet unanswered – on post 101)


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    Jan 10th, 2009 (4:45 pm)

    #182 Engineer Bruce

    See this link and download the presentation.

    http://fastlane.gmblogs.com/archives/2008/02/driving_the_vol.html

    It should provide answers to all your questions.


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    Jan 12th, 2009 (7:35 am)

    just buy a civic… they look the same and it’s almost 20k less. it’d take a lot of gas to make up that difference…


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    Jan 12th, 2009 (3:18 pm)

    I wonder if they plan to train all the mechanics to service this thing? there aren’t that many things on it, but like all things, murphy’s law strikes and then you can’t get the car serviced… it is one of my worries about getting a volt, I want peace of mind, some kind of long standing warranty, I went through a nightmare with a BMW I bought in 2002, since only the dealer could do work on it, I paid through the nose for a new ECU after the warranty had expired at 36k miles

    have you all seen the fisker karma? it is growing on me


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    Jan 13th, 2009 (8:17 am)

    Dear Sir
    I want to know how difficult will be to connect Volt as power supply to the grid? For instance during peak hour of utilities.
    And how difficult will be to get hot water from the gas or alcohool engine? During the above assumption.
    Mamiro Yoshizawa Electric power Engineer


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    Jan 16th, 2009 (12:07 am)

    volt is an excellent concept. GM lost market due to cheap imported cars from Japan and Germany and also because the credit markets are freezed .Not because they did not make good cars.Otherwise how they would have been market leader for 77 years


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    Jan 18th, 2009 (12:00 pm)

    I bet if you need heat in any all electric car, your total range will drop alot. I hear no talk about heating the car. Heat takes alot of electicity. I guess I would just dress warm, buy me a motorcycle helmet, and stick my head out of the window.