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]]> By: N Riley http://gm-volt.com/2008/12/27/toyota-e-rev-not/#comment-88077 N Riley Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:46:12 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1442#comment-88077 I would be surprised if Toyota ever told what their future plans would be. I would be surprised if Toyota ever told what their future plans would be.

]]> By: Zach http://gm-volt.com/2008/12/27/toyota-e-rev-not/#comment-88037 Zach Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:01:19 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1442#comment-88037 #4, Dave K., The future balances on car quality, pride in ownership, and user friendliness. The question of fuel economy will fade at 50+ mpg. ====================================================== Besides the fact that you left out aesthetics (assuming that is NOT what 'pride in ownership' is referring to), I will 100% agree with you. In my eyes, if all the competition was at say, 75mpg, and there was a car on the market (lets hope it's American or European) that looks amazing compared to all others, but that car only had say, 60-65mpg, I would likely pick that car. Especially if it had better performance! I would even lower myself down to 50mpg, as long as the performance difference was significant enough. #4, Dave K.,

The future balances on car quality, pride in ownership, and user friendliness. The question of fuel economy will fade at 50+ mpg.

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Besides the fact that you left out aesthetics (assuming that is NOT what ‘pride in ownership’ is referring to), I will 100% agree with you.

In my eyes, if all the competition was at say, 75mpg, and there was a car on the market (lets hope it’s American or European) that looks amazing compared to all others, but that car only had say, 60-65mpg, I would likely pick that car. Especially if it had better performance! I would even lower myself down to 50mpg, as long as the performance difference was significant enough.

]]> By: Brad Horton http://gm-volt.com/2008/12/27/toyota-e-rev-not/#comment-88034 Brad Horton Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:43:18 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1442#comment-88034 Thanks for clearing it up Lyle. I thought that you were just going to sling mud there for a minute. Let's not forget though, that Toyota currently has RAV4 EV's on the road that get hundreds of miles per charge. Just plain EV, no extended range=EV that only gets 30-40 miles per charge. It's even a small SUV. No kammback design, or anything special. You could probably fit a generator in it with the sacrifice of -20 miles per charge and still get TONS more out of it. This whole thing just doesn't make sense to me. Thanks for clearing it up Lyle. I thought that you were just going to sling mud there for a minute. Let’s not forget though, that Toyota currently has RAV4 EV’s on the road that get hundreds of miles per charge. Just plain EV, no extended range=EV that only gets 30-40 miles per charge. It’s even a small SUV. No kammback design, or anything special. You could probably fit a generator in it with the sacrifice of -20 miles per charge and still get TONS more out of it. This whole thing just doesn’t make sense to me.

]]> By: john1701a http://gm-volt.com/2008/12/27/toyota-e-rev-not/#comment-88021 john1701a Mon, 29 Dec 2008 02:19:39 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1442#comment-88021 <i>...the real issue for me is that plug-ins with smaller batteries will not be accepted by the mass market because plugging/unplugging is more hassle than it’s worth, and this could damage the market perception of plug-ins in general.</i> _______________________________________ FULL hybrids don't have that penalty. The larger capacity battery-pack with plug is an <b>OPTION</b> that provides an efficiency <b>BOOST</b>. That makes inventory flexible and gives the consumer choices, including aftermarket. Are you still going to insist that Volt has a shortcoming by requiring an extremely large (40-mile) minimum capacity? …the real issue for me is that plug-ins with smaller batteries will not be accepted by the mass market because plugging/unplugging is more hassle than it’s worth, and this could damage the market perception of plug-ins in general.
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FULL hybrids don’t have that penalty. The larger capacity battery-pack with plug is an OPTION that provides an efficiency BOOST.

That makes inventory flexible and gives the consumer choices, including aftermarket.

Are you still going to insist that Volt has a shortcoming by requiring an extremely large (40-mile) minimum capacity?

]]> By: john1701a http://gm-volt.com/2008/12/27/toyota-e-rev-not/#comment-88020 john1701a Mon, 29 Dec 2008 02:15:10 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1442#comment-88020 <i>Yes, EREVs (aka series hybrids) require bigger batteries to work</i> _______________________________ That is not true! A prototype series hybrid has already proven that. Do a search for the FCHV prototype, a series hybrid using a small battery-pack. Then stop with the "it won't work" claims. Yes, EREVs (aka series hybrids) require bigger batteries to work
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That is not true!

A prototype series hybrid has already proven that.

Do a search for the FCHV prototype, a series hybrid using a small battery-pack. Then stop with the “it won’t work” claims.

]]> By: Dave G http://gm-volt.com/2008/12/27/toyota-e-rev-not/#comment-88008 Dave G Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:43:00 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1442#comment-88008 Sorry, I was busy watching this 3.5 hour video that another poster referred me to: http://www.chrismartenson.com/crashcourse Yes, EREVs (aka series hybrids) require bigger batteries to work, while strong hybrids can get by with a smaller batteries, but the real issue for me is that plug-ins with smaller batteries will not be accepted by the mass market because plugging/unplugging is more hassle than it's worth, and this could damage the market perception of plug-ins in general. As you said, we need mass market adoption to be meaningful, and I see plug-ins with limited range as actually being detrimental toward that end. Sorry, I was busy watching this 3.5 hour video that another poster referred me to:
http://www.chrismartenson.com/crashcourse

Yes, EREVs (aka series hybrids) require bigger batteries to work, while strong hybrids can get by with a smaller batteries, but the real issue for me is that plug-ins with smaller batteries will not be accepted by the mass market because plugging/unplugging is more hassle than it’s worth, and this could damage the market perception of plug-ins in general.

As you said, we need mass market adoption to be meaningful, and I see plug-ins with limited range as actually being detrimental toward that end.

]]> By: Jake http://gm-volt.com/2008/12/27/toyota-e-rev-not/#comment-88006 Jake Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:08:00 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1442#comment-88006 "A battery" is kind of a vague term. Certain battery technologies (present or future) may well be powerful enough to provide 160kW or so to the Volt's motor (is that the right motor spec?), even from a relatively small pack. It's just a question of how "happy" the battery is while doing that. It wouldn't be as efficient as a big pack producing the same amount of power, but it could get the job done if they determined that cycle life was not too adversely affected. As an example, a roughly 10V A123 pack with 2.3 Ah (call it 20 Wh) of capacity can supply 1000W or more to a power-hungry RC car motor for brief periods...the sacrifice is that pack voltage drops by maybe 40% under this load, so current draw goes through the roof. This isn't great for heating losses and such, but the pack does it. Give batteries a few more years to develop, scale this concept up, and you may have small but very capable packs for the Volt and similar vehicles. “A battery” is kind of a vague term. Certain battery technologies (present or future) may well be powerful enough to provide 160kW or so to the Volt’s motor (is that the right motor spec?), even from a relatively small pack. It’s just a question of how “happy” the battery is while doing that. It wouldn’t be as efficient as a big pack producing the same amount of power, but it could get the job done if they determined that cycle life was not too adversely affected. As an example, a roughly 10V A123 pack with 2.3 Ah (call it 20 Wh) of capacity can supply 1000W or more to a power-hungry RC car motor for brief periods…the sacrifice is that pack voltage drops by maybe 40% under this load, so current draw goes through the roof. This isn’t great for heating losses and such, but the pack does it. Give batteries a few more years to develop, scale this concept up, and you may have small but very capable packs for the Volt and similar vehicles.

]]> By: john1701a http://gm-volt.com/2008/12/27/toyota-e-rev-not/#comment-87982 john1701a Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:15:25 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1442#comment-87982 Still waiting... Looks to me that a more affordable Volt with a shorter range would be so popular there's fear that the 40-mile version won't get much attention. Still waiting…

Looks to me that a more affordable Volt with a shorter range would be so popular there’s fear that the 40-mile version won’t get much attention.

]]> By: john1701a http://gm-volt.com/2008/12/27/toyota-e-rev-not/#comment-87969 john1701a Sun, 28 Dec 2008 15:30:32 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1442#comment-87969 Plug-ins with only 8-15 miles of electric range won’t eliminate most trips to the gas station. _________________________________________ Purpose has been revealed. Support for higher capacity makes sense. But undermining Volt with this is troubling: <i>In addition, the size of the battery must be significant enough to supply the peak horsepower. Bigger batteries not only have more energy storage (kWH) but also more instantaneous power (kW). So a little battery with a 5 or 10 mile range won’t cut it. By the way, people on this site have been asking about this since the summer of 2007, and the answer has been the same. It won’t work.</i> Plug-ins with only 8-15 miles of electric range won’t eliminate most trips to the gas station.
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Purpose has been revealed. Support for higher capacity makes sense. But undermining Volt with this is troubling:

In addition, the size of the battery must be significant enough to supply the peak horsepower. Bigger batteries not only have more energy storage (kWH) but also more instantaneous power (kW). So a little battery with a 5 or 10 mile range won’t cut it.

By the way, people on this site have been asking about this since the summer of 2007, and the answer has been the same. It won’t work.

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