Comments on: GM Plans to Build Strong-Hybrid Small Vehicles But Will Spend Twice as Much Developing E-Flex Cars http://gm-volt.com/2008/12/15/gm-plans-to-build-a-strong-hybrid-small-vehicle-but-will-spend-twice-as-much-developing-e-flex-cars/ Real-time news, information, and discussion about the Chevrolet Volt. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:07:32 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: George K http://gm-volt.com/2008/12/15/gm-plans-to-build-a-strong-hybrid-small-vehicle-but-will-spend-twice-as-much-developing-e-flex-cars/#comment-86328 George K Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:40:16 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1419#comment-86328 #124 harrier1970 -Jason (in Iraq) --------- Thanks for your service, Jason. My son just got back. #124 harrier1970
-Jason (in Iraq)
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Thanks for your service, Jason. My son just got back.

]]> By: Tom K http://gm-volt.com/2008/12/15/gm-plans-to-build-a-strong-hybrid-small-vehicle-but-will-spend-twice-as-much-developing-e-flex-cars/#comment-86299 Tom K Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:14:13 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1419#comment-86299 For those who may not have seen it, take some time to check out the January National Geographic magazine. GM has the back cover. What's pictured head on? The Volt! The entire ad is about GM's commitment to more fuel efficient cars, led by the Volt. Let's hope the plan and the commitment they are showing wins the day with the government and then wins the hearts of car lovers nationwide in 2010. --Tom For those who may not have seen it, take some time to check out the January National Geographic magazine. GM has the back cover. What’s pictured head on? The Volt! The entire ad is about GM’s commitment to more fuel efficient cars, led by the Volt. Let’s hope the plan and the commitment they are showing wins the day with the government and then wins the hearts of car lovers nationwide in 2010.
–Tom

]]> By: joe g http://gm-volt.com/2008/12/15/gm-plans-to-build-a-strong-hybrid-small-vehicle-but-will-spend-twice-as-much-developing-e-flex-cars/#comment-86280 joe g Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:19:43 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1419#comment-86280 #125. Brad G Says: It takes GM forever to bring a car to market. The new Camaro was in the Transformer movie, what, 2 years ago and I saw the “new, new” concept Camaro at the state fair. Down the row was the new Dodge Challanger already at the dealers ready to buy. _____________________________________ Fyi, the "camaro" in Transformers was a mockup body on a GTO chassis. Cars take a while to develop, test, and build, and I agree the challender was on a quicker schedule than the camaro (I remember seeing the concepts of both at the '06 chicago auto show). GM's work on the Volt, however, is not piddling around or wasting time -- in fact, there's no reason to waste time, because development time costs money (there can be no money made on a car until people can buy it). GM is doing extensive testing on the battery to ensure a 10-year life with essentially no loss of observed capacity, something no other electric car manufacturer can promise. #125. Brad G Says:
It takes GM forever to bring a car to market. The new Camaro was in the Transformer movie, what, 2 years ago and I saw the “new, new” concept Camaro at the state fair.
Down the row was the new Dodge Challanger already at the dealers ready to buy.
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Fyi, the “camaro” in Transformers was a mockup body on a GTO chassis.
Cars take a while to develop, test, and build, and I agree the challender was on a quicker schedule than the camaro (I remember seeing the concepts of both at the ‘06 chicago auto show).

GM’s work on the Volt, however, is not piddling around or wasting time — in fact, there’s no reason to waste time, because development time costs money (there can be no money made on a car until people can buy it). GM is doing extensive testing on the battery to ensure a 10-year life with essentially no loss of observed capacity, something no other electric car manufacturer can promise.

]]> By: Brad G http://gm-volt.com/2008/12/15/gm-plans-to-build-a-strong-hybrid-small-vehicle-but-will-spend-twice-as-much-developing-e-flex-cars/#comment-86272 Brad G Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:20:02 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1419#comment-86272 #62 Dave says: For everyone looking at China’s BYD Volt-killer, it is backed by Warren Buffet’s investment in it. I am very interested to see the reviews of this vehicle because you can have TWO for the price of one Volt. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Volt, but it sure does make one wonder what in the hell GM is doing with all of its testing and hoopla. ======================= It takes GM forever to bring a car to market. The new Camaro was in the Transformer movie, what, 2 years ago and I saw the "new, new" concept Camaro at the state fair. Down the row was the new Dodge Challanger already at the dealers ready to buy. #62 Dave says:
For everyone looking at China’s BYD Volt-killer, it is backed by Warren Buffet’s investment in it. I am very interested to see the reviews of this vehicle because you can have TWO for the price of one Volt. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Volt, but it sure does make one wonder what in the hell GM is doing with all of its testing and hoopla.
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It takes GM forever to bring a car to market. The new Camaro was in the Transformer movie, what, 2 years ago and I saw the “new, new” concept Camaro at the state fair.
Down the row was the new Dodge Challanger already at the dealers ready to buy.

]]> By: harrier1970 http://gm-volt.com/2008/12/15/gm-plans-to-build-a-strong-hybrid-small-vehicle-but-will-spend-twice-as-much-developing-e-flex-cars/#comment-86224 harrier1970 Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:09:35 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1419#comment-86224 Don't know if anyone has seen this but it was in the Army times the other day: http://www.evworld.com/news.cfm?newsid=19758 Talks about how the Army, Air Force and Navy are planning to buy a fleet of electric trucks to use on bases. The speed limit on military bases is usually about 35 MPH (on average, depending on the base) so they don't need to have the speed of the Volt just yet. Glad to see the Army going Green :-) -Jason (in Iraq) Don’t know if anyone has seen this but it was in the Army times the other day:

http://www.evworld.com/news.cfm?newsid=19758

Talks about how the Army, Air Force and Navy are planning to buy a fleet of electric trucks to use on bases. The speed limit on military bases is usually about 35 MPH (on average, depending on the base) so they don’t need to have the speed of the Volt just yet.

Glad to see the Army going Green :-)

-Jason (in Iraq)

]]> By: NeoCon http://gm-volt.com/2008/12/15/gm-plans-to-build-a-strong-hybrid-small-vehicle-but-will-spend-twice-as-much-developing-e-flex-cars/#comment-86219 NeoCon Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:50:00 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1419#comment-86219 I think perfecting the EREV should be the main priority - then adopt it for a wide range of vehicles. Personally, I live in a snowy mountain village and yes, I NEED an affordable four-wheel-drive. I think perfecting the EREV should be the main priority – then adopt it for a wide range of vehicles.

Personally, I live in a snowy mountain village and yes, I NEED an affordable four-wheel-drive.

]]> By: George K http://gm-volt.com/2008/12/15/gm-plans-to-build-a-strong-hybrid-small-vehicle-but-will-spend-twice-as-much-developing-e-flex-cars/#comment-86206 George K Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:47:03 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1419#comment-86206 #3 Rashiid Amul "My priorities would be this: 1) EREV 2) Turn every vehicle into an EREV until such time they can be BEVs only. 3) Improve Battery technology and forget the other three items on the chart since they will all be E-REVs." -------------------- Just what I was thinking, kind of. Certainly, any money spent on BAS is money down the drain. By the time they come out, it will be a joke. (It already is in some circles). I would keep development on Strong Hybrids, as they will compete very well. I would bring out the Cruz and Volt ASAP, and then follow Rassiad's plan. In the meantime, BAS 467 m = 0 S H Large 515 m = 515 S H Small 315 m = 0 E-REV 758 m = 758 Total 2055m = 1273 Put the 782m saved into future E-REV development. That's the ticket. =D~~~~ #3 Rashiid Amul
“My priorities would be this:
1) EREV
2) Turn every vehicle into an EREV until such time they can be BEVs only.
3) Improve Battery technology and forget the other three items on the chart since they will all be E-REVs.”
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Just what I was thinking, kind of.

Certainly, any money spent on BAS is money down the drain. By the time they come out, it will be a joke. (It already is in some circles).

I would keep development on Strong Hybrids, as they will compete very well.

I would bring out the Cruz and Volt ASAP, and then follow Rassiad’s plan. In the meantime,

BAS 467 m = 0
S H Large 515 m = 515
S H Small 315 m = 0
E-REV 758 m = 758

Total 2055m = 1273

Put the 782m saved into future E-REV development.

That’s the ticket.

=D~~~~

]]> By: Tagamet http://gm-volt.com/2008/12/15/gm-plans-to-build-a-strong-hybrid-small-vehicle-but-will-spend-twice-as-much-developing-e-flex-cars/#comment-86202 Tagamet Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:31:32 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1419#comment-86202 With all the ethanol talk I thought I'd share. Just yesterday I read research yesterday that scientists have inserted another gene in E-coli to produce cellulosic ethanol (old news), but <b>their</b> ethanol had 4 to 6 carbon links as opposed to prior "best" of 2 links. The result is ethanol from non food stock that is NOT soluble in water and has the same amount of energy per gallon as gasoline. Therefore, existing pipelines (and likely gas stations as well) could be used for it, it would work in existing vehicles without adaptations to the vehicle, and it'd get the same mpg as gas. They also think that it'd require less energy for distillation. If anyone wants a link to the article, just post a request and I'll look it up. Be well, Tag <b>LJGTVWOTR!! NPNS</b> With all the ethanol talk I thought I’d share. Just yesterday I read research yesterday that scientists have inserted another gene in E-coli to produce cellulosic ethanol (old news), but their ethanol had 4 to 6 carbon links as opposed to prior “best” of 2 links. The result is ethanol from non food stock that is NOT soluble in water and has the same amount of energy per gallon as gasoline. Therefore, existing pipelines (and likely gas stations as well) could be used for it, it would work in existing vehicles without adaptations to the vehicle, and it’d get the same mpg as gas. They also think that it’d require less energy for distillation.
If anyone wants a link to the article, just post a request and I’ll look it up.
Be well,
Tag
LJGTVWOTR!! NPNS

]]> By: Arch http://gm-volt.com/2008/12/15/gm-plans-to-build-a-strong-hybrid-small-vehicle-but-will-spend-twice-as-much-developing-e-flex-cars/#comment-86199 Arch Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:19:30 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1419#comment-86199 Update http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchina/2008-12/16/content_7308809.htm Take Care Arch Update

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchina/2008-12/16/content_7308809.htm

Take Care
Arch

]]> By: RB http://gm-volt.com/2008/12/15/gm-plans-to-build-a-strong-hybrid-small-vehicle-but-will-spend-twice-as-much-developing-e-flex-cars/#comment-86198 RB Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:19:20 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1419#comment-86198 #116 Arch says "After all these years of producing locomotives which use a diesel engine to drive a generator they would know than more than anybody about the electronics to control these systems. Now two other companies are going to beat them to the punch. Sad Day." =================================== I completely agree. One of the strange things about big companies is that it seems that internal communication and cooperation can be harder than getting something from the competition. Trying to be optimistic, I'm thinking that the race is not yet over, so it's a little early to be calling out the order of finish. #116 Arch says “After all these years of producing locomotives which use a diesel engine to drive a generator they would know than more than anybody about the electronics to control these systems. Now two other companies are going to beat them to the punch. Sad Day.”
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I completely agree. One of the strange things about big companies is that it seems that internal communication and cooperation can be harder than getting something from the competition.

Trying to be optimistic, I’m thinking that the race is not yet over, so it’s a little early to be calling out the order of finish.

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