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	<title>Comments on: US House of Representatives Passes Automaker Loan Bill</title>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/12/10/us-house-of-representatives-passes-automaker-loan-bill/#comment-85864</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US based automakers are too top heavy to make a profitable business any longer. I think the US should &quot;buy up&quot; the &quot;big? three&quot;, do complete overhaul, run them to make a profit, then sell it back to the private sector. Either that or just put the UAW on salary and close the factory doors. Closing the factory doors would mean the taxpayers at least don&#039;t have to waste as much money paying for idiot CEOs. &quot;Bailout&quot; or loan it will amount to the same thing - more money lost with NOTHING to show but a fat paycheck for the CEOs. (Yup, I&#039;m pissed at how upper management and the Gov. have handled this. They are out of touch with reality and the automaker&#039;s management are like spoiled brats!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US based automakers are too top heavy to make a profitable business any longer. I think the US should &#8220;buy up&#8221; the &#8220;big? three&#8221;, do complete overhaul, run them to make a profit, then sell it back to the private sector. Either that or just put the UAW on salary and close the factory doors. Closing the factory doors would mean the taxpayers at least don&#8217;t have to waste as much money paying for idiot CEOs. &#8220;Bailout&#8221; or loan it will amount to the same thing &#8211; more money lost with NOTHING to show but a fat paycheck for the CEOs. (Yup, I&#8217;m pissed at how upper management and the Gov. have handled this. They are out of touch with reality and the automaker&#8217;s management are like spoiled brats!)</p>
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		<title>By: Edward A</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/12/10/us-house-of-representatives-passes-automaker-loan-bill/#comment-85846</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If ever there was an industry that deserved to fail it is the American auto industry.  Fortunately for them, their failure now could have devastating impact on the US and world economy.  So, we should waste a few billion dollars on them for a few months.  Then, an organized bankruptcy by summer is their only salvation.  The Volt will be surpassed by a better, less expensive more sophisticated EV from from an Asian auto firm.  

The Big Three management is interested in their own pay and rewards. The UAW has been allowed to run unchecked.  The result, today, is the American automobile...second to those produced in this country by foreign-owned companies.  They both should be ashamed of themselves, they have failed our nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If ever there was an industry that deserved to fail it is the American auto industry.  Fortunately for them, their failure now could have devastating impact on the US and world economy.  So, we should waste a few billion dollars on them for a few months.  Then, an organized bankruptcy by summer is their only salvation.  The Volt will be surpassed by a better, less expensive more sophisticated EV from from an Asian auto firm.  </p>
<p>The Big Three management is interested in their own pay and rewards. The UAW has been allowed to run unchecked.  The result, today, is the American automobile&#8230;second to those produced in this country by foreign-owned companies.  They both should be ashamed of themselves, they have failed our nation.</p>
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		<title>By: The Grump</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/12/10/us-house-of-representatives-passes-automaker-loan-bill/#comment-85842</link>
		<dc:creator>The Grump</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>161 Jolt says &quot;To all the Haters of GM, what did they ever do to you?&quot;
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Let&#039;s see - 72 Nova - Wouldn&#039;t start in winter without starting fluid sprayed into the air intake, and running through a large puddle of water would stop the car in its tracks immediately.

74 Nova - Paint began to flake, blister, and fall off after 2 years - rear quarter panels were rusted through within 5 years - brake lights failed so often, I kept spares in the glovebox.

82 Lincoln Town Car - At the time, it was my dream car. However, the climate control never worked right (AC would become full blast heat when going up hills or accelerating. It also began to stop at red lights and stop signs in the hottest days of summer, and would not restart for 5 - 10 minutes. (This greatly endeared me to everyone behind me at the red light). It was Vapor Lock, and the whole fuel delivery system would have to be rerouted away from the exhaust manifold (at my cost, even though Ford engineered the damn thing). Goodbye, Town Car. 

I bought a used 82 Dodge Reliant K-car next. I was driving along, and the car kicked, like someone had slammed the brakes for a split second. And this happened over and over. The dealer found the problem - a MAP (mass airflow processor) sensor had gone bad. Then the new MAP sensor went bad in 2 months, and another 2 months, and another 2 months - That car ATE MAP sensors so often, I learned to change them myself. This ended when both the engine&#039;s oil pump began to fail (intermittant oil pressure light)and the transmission began slipping so badly, forward motion was almost impossible. Both happened at 149,000 miles. 

At that time, Datsuns (now they are called Nissans) were travelling 200,000, 300,000, sometimes 1,000,000 miles - with OEM equipment. I needed a cheap car, having spent much money repairing my American made cars. 

1999 - I bought a Hyundai Elantra - mistake ! It was dependable, but its gas mileage for such a small car was lousy - I got 22 MPG (barely).

I&#039;m getting older now, as my arthritis reminds me. I need something easy to get into and out of. Much research later, I narrowed my choices down to 2 minivans - Chevolet Venture, and Honda Odyssey. Due to my past experience with american cars, I bought the Honda Odyssey. No problems with over 110,000 miles on it. 

So you ask, What has GM ever done to me? 

GM, Ford, and Chrysler have cost me plenty of money, lost time, and heartache, while I paid and paid to fix THEIR mistakes. Now their crappy reputation has came around and bit them in the ass when they can least afford it. Karma&#039;s a bitch, sometimes. They earned this disaster, one crappy car at a time. Ask Consumer Reports, if you don&#039;t believe me. People remember things like this, when spending their hard earned money. 

But don&#039;t you ever, EVER, call me a GM hater, you snibbling little brat. GM earned all the hate they are receiving. I gave GM a chance - TWICE. I gave Ford a chance. I gave Chrysler a chance. THEY let ME down. I owe them NOTHING. Let GM impress me - but they won&#039;t impress me hiding behind the American flag, behind patriotism, or behind a government bailout. Losing the UAW - THAT would impress me. Otherwise, it&#039;s business as usual - closely followed by Chapter 7 liquidation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>161 Jolt says &#8220;To all the Haters of GM, what did they ever do to you?&#8221;<br />
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Let&#8217;s see &#8211; 72 Nova &#8211; Wouldn&#8217;t start in winter without starting fluid sprayed into the air intake, and running through a large puddle of water would stop the car in its tracks immediately.</p>
<p>74 Nova &#8211; Paint began to flake, blister, and fall off after 2 years &#8211; rear quarter panels were rusted through within 5 years &#8211; brake lights failed so often, I kept spares in the glovebox.</p>
<p>82 Lincoln Town Car &#8211; At the time, it was my dream car. However, the climate control never worked right (AC would become full blast heat when going up hills or accelerating. It also began to stop at red lights and stop signs in the hottest days of summer, and would not restart for 5 &#8211; 10 minutes. (This greatly endeared me to everyone behind me at the red light). It was Vapor Lock, and the whole fuel delivery system would have to be rerouted away from the exhaust manifold (at my cost, even though Ford engineered the damn thing). Goodbye, Town Car. </p>
<p>I bought a used 82 Dodge Reliant K-car next. I was driving along, and the car kicked, like someone had slammed the brakes for a split second. And this happened over and over. The dealer found the problem &#8211; a MAP (mass airflow processor) sensor had gone bad. Then the new MAP sensor went bad in 2 months, and another 2 months, and another 2 months &#8211; That car ATE MAP sensors so often, I learned to change them myself. This ended when both the engine&#8217;s oil pump began to fail (intermittant oil pressure light)and the transmission began slipping so badly, forward motion was almost impossible. Both happened at 149,000 miles. </p>
<p>At that time, Datsuns (now they are called Nissans) were travelling 200,000, 300,000, sometimes 1,000,000 miles &#8211; with OEM equipment. I needed a cheap car, having spent much money repairing my American made cars. </p>
<p>1999 &#8211; I bought a Hyundai Elantra &#8211; mistake ! It was dependable, but its gas mileage for such a small car was lousy &#8211; I got 22 MPG (barely).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m getting older now, as my arthritis reminds me. I need something easy to get into and out of. Much research later, I narrowed my choices down to 2 minivans &#8211; Chevolet Venture, and Honda Odyssey. Due to my past experience with american cars, I bought the Honda Odyssey. No problems with over 110,000 miles on it. </p>
<p>So you ask, What has GM ever done to me? </p>
<p>GM, Ford, and Chrysler have cost me plenty of money, lost time, and heartache, while I paid and paid to fix THEIR mistakes. Now their crappy reputation has came around and bit them in the ass when they can least afford it. Karma&#8217;s a bitch, sometimes. They earned this disaster, one crappy car at a time. Ask Consumer Reports, if you don&#8217;t believe me. People remember things like this, when spending their hard earned money. </p>
<p>But don&#8217;t you ever, EVER, call me a GM hater, you snibbling little brat. GM earned all the hate they are receiving. I gave GM a chance &#8211; TWICE. I gave Ford a chance. I gave Chrysler a chance. THEY let ME down. I owe them NOTHING. Let GM impress me &#8211; but they won&#8217;t impress me hiding behind the American flag, behind patriotism, or behind a government bailout. Losing the UAW &#8211; THAT would impress me. Otherwise, it&#8217;s business as usual &#8211; closely followed by Chapter 7 liquidation.</p>
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		<title>By: The Grump</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/12/10/us-house-of-representatives-passes-automaker-loan-bill/#comment-85832</link>
		<dc:creator>The Grump</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#154 Dave G - &quot;Bankruptcy is normally a good path, but when you buy a car, it’s a lasting deal. You want to know the company will be there 5 years from now. Most surveys say that the stigma of bankruptcy will severely impact car sales.&quot;
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I want to help GM, but NOT the UAW. The UAW has resisted all efforts to IMMEDIATELY reduce GM&#039;s costs. Their best &quot;concession&quot; begins in 2011 - maybe. GM needs help now, it won&#039;t get any help from the UAW boss, Mr Smellyfinger (deliberately misspelled due to a complete lack of respect for the useless wanker). GM needs the UAW off its back - now. I&#039;m afraid that Chapter 11 is the best way for GM to scrape the UAW from the bottom of its corporate shoe, and be rid of it - for good. 

GM can continue to make cars during the reorganization - and remake its image at the same time. GM can start with a clean slate, and hire new employees. Gm can bring in experts from Japan to show them how to empower their new employees to police quality control. EVERY employee would have the authority to stop the assembly line, if a quality fault was found. GM has been bested by the Japanese - it&#039;s time for GM to adopt their management style (which cannot happen with the UAW), or die a deserved death. &quot;If you can&#039;t beat &#039;em...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#154 Dave G &#8211; &#8220;Bankruptcy is normally a good path, but when you buy a car, it’s a lasting deal. You want to know the company will be there 5 years from now. Most surveys say that the stigma of bankruptcy will severely impact car sales.&#8221;<br />
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I want to help GM, but NOT the UAW. The UAW has resisted all efforts to IMMEDIATELY reduce GM&#8217;s costs. Their best &#8220;concession&#8221; begins in 2011 &#8211; maybe. GM needs help now, it won&#8217;t get any help from the UAW boss, Mr Smellyfinger (deliberately misspelled due to a complete lack of respect for the useless wanker). GM needs the UAW off its back &#8211; now. I&#8217;m afraid that Chapter 11 is the best way for GM to scrape the UAW from the bottom of its corporate shoe, and be rid of it &#8211; for good. </p>
<p>GM can continue to make cars during the reorganization &#8211; and remake its image at the same time. GM can start with a clean slate, and hire new employees. Gm can bring in experts from Japan to show them how to empower their new employees to police quality control. EVERY employee would have the authority to stop the assembly line, if a quality fault was found. GM has been bested by the Japanese &#8211; it&#8217;s time for GM to adopt their management style (which cannot happen with the UAW), or die a deserved death. &#8220;If you can&#8217;t beat &#8216;em&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: wwskinn3</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/12/10/us-house-of-representatives-passes-automaker-loan-bill/#comment-85787</link>
		<dc:creator>wwskinn3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The UAW has made it clear - no concessions.  They would rather be unemployed than take a pay cut.  So be it!  They may get their wish.   With that in mind I cannot see GM surviving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The UAW has made it clear &#8211; no concessions.  They would rather be unemployed than take a pay cut.  So be it!  They may get their wish.   With that in mind I cannot see GM surviving.</p>
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