Dec 05

Volt One Step Ahead of the Prius!

 

In the midst of this very heavy time around here, a picture is worth a thousand words.

That’s GM’s CEO Rick Wagoner driving the Volt experimental prototype mule car on the right making sure to stay one step a head of the competition!

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    Dec 5th, 2008 (2:08 pm)

    Should have made faces at the Prius, too.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (2:16 pm)

    I never thought that the Prius was ugly, but it certainly looks drab against the Volt mule.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (2:33 pm)

    They were racing, I saw it-
    Rick lit em up & blew the Prius away.
    It was all chirp, smoke, & blur.
    That Prius driver did’nt know what the hell happened.

    P.S.
    Okay, okay, so I made it all up.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (2:33 pm)

    Too much credit for the prius…
    For the picture to be right the prius should be at least half car length back to the Volt mule.

    Still a nice picture… I’d buy that CruzelyVolt.

    NPNS!


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (2:34 pm)

    I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!

    I think Congress should say, “Alright Wagoner… get these Volts to the 40,000+ people on the website waiting list by Christmas, and we’ll give you yr damn money.”


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (2:43 pm)

    Nice picture, when they going to head to the track.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (2:49 pm)

    Hmmm…nice photo opportunity. I’m sure that it was not staged. :) A fact that everyone should know.

    December 10, 1997 – Prius goes on sale to the public in Japan, fully two years ahead of any other manufacturer. First-year sales are nearly 18,000.

    How many steps can be taken in 10 years? Excuse me…9 years and 360 days.


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    Gordon

     

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    Dec 5th, 2008 (2:50 pm)

    Pardon me. But do you have any Grey Poupon?


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (2:51 pm)

    Pardon me. Do you have any Grey Poupon?


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (2:55 pm)

    Pardon me. Do you have any Grey Poupon? (keep it going!!)


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (3:06 pm)

    Very lucky situation for us to see the comparison.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (3:06 pm)

    At least Toyota is NOT asking for $Billions of taxpayer money because they couldn’t properly run their own damn business.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (3:07 pm)

    I wonder who took the picture. Maybe a GM PR guy/gal.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (3:08 pm)

    You are correct Tim. They do get billions from the Japanese taxpayers, though. I guess making the decision to produce big gas guzzlers just like Detroit was a good management decision.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (3:09 pm)

    at least volt is not made by those people who bombed pearl harbor !


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (3:10 pm)

    … and make sushis from helpless whale !


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (3:12 pm)

    #9 Gordon
    Pardon me. Do you have any Grey Poupon?

    #10 Mike D
    Pardon me. Do you have any Grey Poupon? (keep it going!!)

    #12 Tim
    At least Toyota is NOT asking for $Billions of taxpayer money because they couldn’t properly run their own damn business

    #14 N Riley
    You are correct Tim. They do get billions from the Japanese taxpayers, though

    #15 coach
    at least volt is not made by those people who bombed pearl harbor !

    ===================================

    I sense this is going to be a epic thread.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (3:13 pm)

    Add the slim Volt side mirrors to the E-REV Cruze and you have another winner. In addition, the E-REV Cruze small SUV will be the bomb. Start making 20,000 batteries today!

    That Prius cost $26,000. Has a gas engine which produces 76 horsepower and 82 pound-feet of torque. 45 mpg (50 mpg for feather feet). And people are buying them like crazy.

    =D~


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (3:13 pm)

    If that is Wagoner driving, why would he be driving away from the Capitol? Did he drive it when they were finished being admonished by congress?


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (3:13 pm)

    Bumper is beyond the line.

    Penalty for Volt.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (3:16 pm)

    Typical American tactic cheating by fudging the line. hehe


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (3:24 pm)

    Neat picture.
    What’s the decal or paint on the Volt’s hood?


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (3:27 pm)

    With max torque at zero rpm, of course the Volt tech would beat a Prius off the line.

    The Chevy Cruze is a larger vehicle than I could sense from the pictures. It is better looking than I thought.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (3:29 pm)

    The Prius driver is looking over at Wags thinking that his ride must be a dog with those ghetto wheels. Little does he know that the E-REV Cruze has twice his horsepower and is burning no gasoline.

    Here’s a vanity plate for you: ELECSLPR

    =D~


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (3:32 pm)

    wow the Cruze sure is a lot better looking vehicle!!

    What is that ugly thing next to it?


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (3:36 pm)

    I wonder if the steering wheel would twitch as he accelerates over the manhole cover? I am sure there must have been some sort of chirp, or is the traction control that good?


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (3:36 pm)

    #23 Jason M. Hendler said “With max torque at zero rpm, of course the Volt tech would beat a Prius off the line.”
    ==================================

    One hopes Mr Wagoner had a heavy foot :)
    (Whoever took the picture should give a follow-up report.)


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (3:43 pm)

    Well … but you can actually get a Prius (in contrast to the Volt)…


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (3:46 pm)

    I feel age regression coming on, like I’m back in high school.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (3:49 pm)

    well Says: “Well … but you can actually get a Prius (in contrast to the Volt)…”
    ————————————————————————————-
    Well said well.

    But it looks like the Volt will beat the plug-in Prius (if GM survives).


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    Len

     

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    Dec 5th, 2008 (3:49 pm)

    The mule doesn’t look bad at all, I wonder if they could get that to market quicker?


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (3:52 pm)

    What a stark photo! The Prius looks like a drab, sorry looking car. The Volt looks like a car that’s got it happening. Give us a litte time and Chevy will be kicking Toyota’s butt. More power, longer battery life and a cool look. The American Car.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (3:53 pm)

    Oh I forgot to mention… when I saw this photo I felt a thrill going up my leg :-)


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (3:53 pm)

    What a celestial experience it must have been for Wagoner to drive a Volt mule. He was probably thinking to himself “gee, this is nice, we probably should’ve started working on these sooner in stead of SCRAPPING OUR OLD ELECTRIC CAR”.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (3:59 pm)

    I don’t care how it looks or who makes it, we need extended range EVs!

    Right now, GM seems to be leading the way on this. It seems pretty clear Toyota and Honda won’t make an extended range EV until someone else “paves the way”. I hope I’m wrong on this, but that’s the way it looks right now.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (3:59 pm)

    omnimoeish#34

    He (Wagoner) said just that…on NPR last night…or maybe it was this morning.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (3:59 pm)

    $$700 billion bailout to Congressional friends in the BANKING INDUSTRY with ZERO Congressional investigation. $25 billion bridge loan to an industry actually MAKING products (not shuffling paper) and it’s a federal case????

    We smell a rat named Wall Street.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (4:01 pm)

    I just want to see the new years fire works at the Statue of Liberty this year . Liberation from the one source of power Oil .

    Gods Good Blessings


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (4:02 pm)

    #22
    >What’s the decal or paint on the Volt’s hood?

    I’m almost certain it is representing a plug.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (4:06 pm)

    Oil is not dead but just one more choice as it should be .


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (4:08 pm)

    Determining from the picture, the Volt seems a little iwder. I hope it’s wider on the inside thatn the inside of the “Other” car.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (4:12 pm)

    @Dave G 35

    You are soo correct dude! Neither Honda ot Toyoda will produce a PHEV. I read it somewhere, I think in Autobloggreen. Why? Maybe because they want someone to develop it then rape the technology for themslve and maybe improve it. Either way, the Volt is going to be the first mass produced PHEV and OEM, not third party mods like some “Other” comapnies.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (4:31 pm)

    I like the white knuckles on the wheel. Looks like someone is having fun!!


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (4:36 pm)

    That’s great, but *I* can actually drive a Prius (when my girlfriend lets me), but *I* can’t drive a Volt yet — so it doesn’t matter who’s ahead.

    When an average person can sign on the dotted line for a Volt, then the Volt will be a step ahead of the Prius. :-)


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (4:38 pm)

    @Jim Rowland

    I wonder how it would feel to just stomp ont the pedal off the line?


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (4:39 pm)

    lol….I need 2 learn how 2 type.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (4:41 pm)

    I was going to say something stupid…for once I changed my mind


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (4:52 pm)

    The Volt better burn the Prius off the line for the amount of money GM will want for it.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (4:53 pm)

    Build the Volt with the highest quality. Build them in the highest quantity.
    Sell them at a reasonable price.
    Get them to us ahead of schedule and ahead of the competition and do it soon. Like in 2009. Build 10 million in 2010.

    I hope the current low gas prices don’t screw up long range planning.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (4:53 pm)

    Luke

    You need to drive her prius as often as possible cause that car wont be as much fun after you get your Volt!!


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (4:57 pm)

    I don’t like the latest design of the Volt. The original concept design (and I’m referring to the exterior look) was far more appealing to me. It still looks better than the prius, but it’s original design was far superior.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (5:06 pm)

    Redeye

    I don’t think low gas prices will stop the Volt. I think oil companys made us and the rest of the world mad this time.
    And if you are saying that GM won’t be able to build them fast enough when the price is within reach of the average buyer, then you and I are in agreement. If battery cost and availability become a lessor factor then I think within 5 years most cars will be E-REV


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (5:20 pm)

    @24 Dave –
    The Prius driver is looking over at Wags thinking that his ride must be a dog with those ghetto wheels. Little does he know that the E-REV Cruze has twice his horsepower and is burning no gasoline.

    Here’s a vanity plate for you: ELECSLPR

    =D~

    Another plate idea IEATRCE :D


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (5:26 pm)

    To those that asked, the decal on the hood is a plug (prongs closest to the windshield). inside it says “Volt Technology Inside”

    And why does Rick drive like a gangsta with one hand on the wheel? Come on…


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (5:29 pm)

    #15 coach said:

    “at least volt is not made by those people who bombed pearl harbor !”

    You are correct! The Volt is being built by the ONLY country to nuke (W.M.D.) civilians… TWICE!

    And the ONLY nation that has (unconstitutional) military BASES in almost every OTHER nation on the planet so we can BRIBE, threaten or extort their leaders into “American style” of socialist mobocracy “freedom”!

    (we ignore our own laws so that we can occupy THEIR country and kill their citizens yet we wonder why their “terrorists” attack us… duh)

    By the way, we should NOT give the Big-3 taxpayer money until they hold a parade with elephants, clowns and concept cars (oh my).

    That way at least our congressmen will feel comfortable (they can wear red noses to, NOT YOU KENNEDY) while they work to further debase our fiat currency.

    P.T. Barnum was correct once in that there IS at least one fool born every minute. Most voted for Obama/McCain.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (5:37 pm)

    Look at the lower grill on the Cruze. That thing looks pissed. And the Prius looks like a mindless carp swimming under a bridge.

    Plug in this!

    =D~


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (5:46 pm)

    I’ll take my 26,000 Prius over the 40,000 volt “I’m still not in production yet” – “I hope my company gets Congress to bail us out”…

    You get the picture


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (5:49 pm)

    This thread was going along really well until post #55.

    And how many British were killed with German V1 & V2 rockets??? Lets not forget that the world was in a “declared” war at that time….

    How about Kurds gassed by Hussein in Iraq???

    My only real comment to that poster is that he should be glad he lives in a country where he can say such things without being dragged from his home in the middle of the night and never seen again. A right protected for him by our service men/women.

    My son is in the Navy, and I could not be more proud of him!


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (5:59 pm)

    anybody notice the camper is driving in both lanes? i’ll bet he has a NJ tag!


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (6:21 pm)

    Tim sounds like Michael Malone in “An American Carol” … the greatest movie ever made. I was fortunate to see it in theaters before it got torpedoed by the Hollywood left. Looking forward to owning my own copy on DVD soon.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (6:22 pm)

    So Red Ink Rick drove to Congress in a Fuel Cell Vehicle (FCH) today.

    From a H2 supporter:
    Claim #2 – Hydrogen is inefficient
    Most of the 65 billion tons of hydrogen annually produced worldwide for industrial use comes from the reforming of natural gas using steam. For now, this is the cleanest, least expensive way to produce hydrogen. Over the long term, the more environmentally benign way to produce hydrogen is to split water molecules using electrolysis powered by renewably generated electricity. It takes about 50 KWh of electricity and two gallons of water to produce one kilogram of hydrogen, which is roughly equivalent to the energy in one gallon of gasoline.

    Running on electricity it takes the Volt 8 kWh to replace ~ 1 gallon of gas.
    Running on hydrogen it would take 50 kWh to replace ~ 1 gallon of gas. Why, oh why, is Project Driveway not dead yet? Hydrogen only makes sense for Combined Heat Power (CHP) systems, ie buildings. Also airborne systems where power density is the overriding factor, ie nasamans projects, planes etc. OK they do make sense for Statik and his mate Sarah P. (just joking) where it’s really cold.

    http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/Hydrogen-The-Emerging-Cl-by-Geoffrey-Holland-081201-442.html

    PS: I like the Cruze better than the Prius, but if I have to pay 10 – 15k more than a Cruze owner, I want my OWN distinctive body shape please!


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (6:29 pm)

    errr, Lyle said wags was in the car on the right, is that the right of the car on the left or the car on the right side of the road or the car ohhh never mind

    NO PLUG NO SALE, LJGTVWOTR, DBNGCMEMEV, (my house)=D~~~~(my volt)_____open road


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (6:32 pm)

    #58 Jim I – “This thread was going along really well until post #55.”

    Don’t mind Tim. He loves this country … he just hates the people who live here. (Only kidding)

    In all seriousness, I’m sure he appreciates the sacrifice of your son and others.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (6:32 pm)

    hi Randy #57,

    Yes, I understand your picture. I’m partial to an American E-REV. And am willing to hold on until one is developed. I think the E-REV Cruze will be a big winner with the public.

    In 06′ a Toyota dealer showed the Prius to my wife and myself. It was white and cost $26,000. We sat in it and didn’t care for the central display and plain interior. We couldn’t pull the trigger on it.

    =D~


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (6:40 pm)

    Keep posts short.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (6:54 pm)

    I can not wait for the Volt and Cruze to come out.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (7:01 pm)

    GO volt.

    The EM feild from the Volt electric motor might reek havic with the Prius electronics blowing them out.

    I rented a prius and it had a battery light came on . So much for quality.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (7:19 pm)

    Anyone see the new pics of the Honda insight? Damn think looks like a peeius.! Yuck.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (7:33 pm)

    #64 Dave K.:

    “And am willing to hold on until one is developed.”

    My sentiments exactly.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (7:46 pm)

    It’s really nice to see the Volt (mule even) out and about in Washington. How about some encores all over America?
    Also, several ideas popped into mind yesterday about the possibilities of adding a second (say,125 pound) additional battery pack in the trunk or rear area that could be later purchased as a dealer option or aftermarket option, here’s why:
    Get more jobs going by making that possibility viable for jobs in the dealer or in the aftermarket. While simple “parallel” wiring will not work, maybe an optional device could be designed, (you could call it something like an “Add-A-Pack Acceptance Contactor Module”) which would constantly test and measure an additional Lithium Ion Nano Phosphate packs’ power availabilities and recharge needs. This could reduce demand loads dramatically, and, in the really hot climate of Texas and the rest of the South, you could also possibly design the second pack to dedicated stationary tasks such as “Expel heat” when parked, (with a wide-angle infrared sensor to detect where the heat is in the car), (as a safety consideration also) and turn on the Air Conditioning, for instance, with automatic interior directional venting.
    Dan Petit, Austin, TX.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (7:56 pm)

    With a barrel of oil at $40 will consumers buy the Volt? I’d like to say yes, but the evidence is building people are already shifting back to SUV hogs. Interest in the showrooms for hybrids, at even smaller premiums like the Escape, are waning fast.

    Wonderful. OPEC certainly knows how to play the market. They’re already buying up the wildcatters who can’t finance what they started after hitting. Putting the extra finds in their pocket until later on when they can charge more. How does any nation break this addiction without an active government.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (8:07 pm)

    #39 Neil said
    “#22 (me)
    >What’s the decal or paint on the Volt’s hood?

    I’m almost certain it is representing a plug.
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    Thanks. Copying gm-volt’s =D I suppose :)
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    RB (and others),

    You might find this interesting. Here is some footage of it rolling up to the Hill.

    You can see it driving and you get a good look at all the decals…unfortunately the amateur camera operator also took some footage of Wagoner shooting his trap off with the usual talking points after getting out:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKfjCUYYVZE

    /Iinkage love


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    #72 jbfalaska:

    I hear you, but I prefer to agree with old man at #52. I am not going to buy another conventional car if gas goes down to $0.23.9, like it was when I was a kid. If we have the price down, we need to do everything in our power to keep it there, IMHO.

    Even so, I am bound to agree with you when you ask the fateful question:

    “How does any nation break this addiction without an active government?”

    NPNS!

    DBNGCMEMEV


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (8:21 pm)

    $40 oil is just fine for now. This is the best environment for GM ‘s recovery. If oil were at $130 we would be seeing nothing but Smart cars, Prius, and hundreds of electric scooters on the road.

    The S&P has been beat way down (800′s). Disposable income spending is down. Dead wood middle management is getting laid off. American’s are starting to understand the meaning of “good credit rating” and “personal responsibility”.

    The U.S.A. needed a good pruning. And I believe President Obama will make a difference in people wanting to work together.

    One of the major faults we have as a nation is attitude. This was glaringly evident in the first meeting between the Big 3 and Congress. I can go much deeper into detail but it wouldn’t be productive.
    ___________________________

    I have seen MANY new GM cars and trucks on the road here locally in So. California. Also a disproportionate number of new Jeeps.

    I believe we have very good chance of E-REV technology making it to the showrooms worldwide. And they will be popular. Gasoline prices are always high somewhere. And with each 100 point climb in the S&P we’ll see even more demand.

    My advice for American’s is to work as much O.T. as is offered. Don’t squabble over pay raises. And try to bottom feed on the stock market.

    I invested another $800 this morning. This went into an established oil and natural gas exploration company located in Texas, Oklahoma, and points North. It is selling cheap now and will easily be riding high in 2 years. Just in time for the E-REV revolution. Just wished I had bought Ford at $1 and change.

    Bring it http://garfwod.250free.com/Photos/Cruze_EREV.jpg

    =D~


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (8:26 pm)

    I’m for some form of intervention, but I’d like to see it be consumer driven. Like the reaction people are having here…wow that looks nice, I’d buy one. I’d even give you a deposit to ensure I get one later.

    What I don’t get is “$25 billion bridge loan”. A “bridge” loan, by definition takes you from current place to end state. I’m OK with a loan–especially for this vital industry, but PLEASE PLEASE stop calling it a bridge. It is only a bridge to the Obama administration, not to any new credit facility that GM has lined up, not to new ownership or even a purchase agreement. Its a loan, not a bridge.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (8:34 pm)

    NYT now: WASHINGTON — Faced with staggering new unemployment figures, Democratic Congressional leaders said on Friday that they were ready to provide a short-term rescue plan for the cash-strapped American automakers, and expected to hold votes on the legislation during a special session next week.

    Details of the rescue package were not immediately available but senior Congressional aides said that it would include billions of dollars in short-term loans to keep the automakers afloat at least until President-elect Barack Obama takes office.

    Ending a weeks-long stalemate between the Bush administration and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, senior aides said that the money would likely come from $25 billion in federally subsidized loans intended for developing advanced fuel efficient cars.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (8:40 pm)

    #74 statik (with video link)

    Thanks!


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (8:45 pm)

    Not only does it look better than the prius, it looks better than the audi behind the prius too. And I own an Audi!!

    Save a few bucks and a year of development, and just start building CruzelyVolt’s just like the mule right now!


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (8:46 pm)

    #78 “Ending a weeks-long stalemate between the Bush administration and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, senior aides said that the money would likely come from $25 billion in federally subsidized loans intended for developing advanced fuel efficient cars.”
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    Unclear where this agreement leaves the Volt.
    “http://www.nytimes.com/”


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (8:48 pm)

    WSJ now reports “Detroit’s Big Three auto makers have gone north in their bid to secure emergency financing as their effort to land a similar loan package failed to win decisive support in the U.S. Congress.

    Canada’s Minister of Industry Tony Clement and Michael Bryant, Ontario’s Minister of Economic Development, jointly announced they received the restructuring plans they requested from Chrysler Canada, Ford Motor Company of Canada and General Motors of Canada. ”
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    So it’s statik’s turn now :)


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (9:23 pm)

    I had thought I would power the Volt with free energy from the wind (less infrastructure costs) now it seems that it would be cheaper to fill it up with imported oil. Talk about duel fuel. Ain’t choice great?

    (Amazing how the price of oil goes down when there is an alternative!)


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (9:31 pm)

    You have to understand the game being played here. GM is using the Volt almost as blackmail to get the loans they want. There are all sorts of people who know how to build a series hybrid car. The volt
    was built first back in the 1900s.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_electric_vehicle

    Read down a little. GM even worked on a Toyota like plan in the 60s.

    http://blog.wired.com/cars/2008/09/priustoric—-g.html

    Thats why I gave them the work I had done. When I gave all of the files to Dr. Wang all I ask of him was to keep it alive till it was needed.
    Well it sure seems like he kept his end of the bargin.

    Take Care
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    Dec 5th, 2008 (9:43 pm)

    Not the last time…

    that Cruze is very, very good looking!


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (10:07 pm)

    #83 Red HHR Says: “I had thought I would power the Volt with free energy from the wind (less infrastructure costs) now it seems that it would be cheaper to fill it up with imported oil. Talk about duel fuel. Ain’t choice great?”
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    Yes, the point to break oil’s monopoly. This way, we won’t be held hostage to Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Russia, etc..

    But while duel fuel is great, a choice of 3 fuels is even better. That’s why the Volt runs on electricity, gasoline, and E85.

    Coskata says their gasification process can replace up to 35% of our current gasoline use from non-food sources at under $1 per gallon. With Flex Fuel EREV cars like the Volt, we can replace gasoline with a combination of electricity and E85.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (10:09 pm)

    End of the bailout saga for a few weeks. I think the half million jobs lost last month gave everyone a jolt. The magnitude of the largest economic decline since the Depression is setting in.

    Kicked it down the road to the Obama team, who will use TARP to kick it down the road for a few months and the use bankruptcy threat to restructure. Best possible outcome probably, and very much in line with John Podesta’s outline from six months ago.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081206/bs_nm/us_autos_bailout_agreement_sb

    Not sure on whether this is from the $25B for retooling for fuel efficient cars. I’d say at least in part but no details in this article.

    So Statik, Mr. Smarty Pants, explain to me: why is GM and Ford stock trading above zero? I absolutely don’t get this.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (10:16 pm)

    I told you this would happen.

    http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20081205171416.aspx

    Take Care
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    Dec 5th, 2008 (10:25 pm)

    #74 statik Says: “You might find this interesting. Here is some footage of it rolling up to the Hill.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKfjCUYYVZE
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    Toward the end when the guy drove it away, I heard a high pitched “squeaking” sound as it started off the line. Was this the car? Is this the sound of things to come?


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (10:47 pm)

    If you know the people involved this is fun.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_11150102

    Take Care
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    Dec 5th, 2008 (10:51 pm)

    #61 NZDavid Says:
    Running on electricity it takes the Volt 8 kWh to replace ~ 1 gallon of gas.
    Running on hydrogen it would take 50 kWh to replace ~ 1 gallon of gas. Why, oh why, is Project Driveway not dead yet?
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    Yes, well said.

    Or in the words of another fuel cell expert, Ulf Bossel:
    “Hydrogen can never compete with its own energy source.
    A “Hydrogen Economy” has no past, no present and no future”

    See here for details:
    http://www.efcf.com/reports/E17.pdf


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (11:16 pm)

    #91 Arch Says: “If you know the people involved this is fun.
    http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_11150102
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    If I was into sports cars, I would rather have a Fisker Karma than a Tesla Roadster. Both cars are beautiful, fast, expensive, and green. But with the Fisker Karma, it’s also easy. No special charger port installation, just a regular house outlet. No worries about how far or fast you can go and still get home. That’s why EREVs are so great.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (11:27 pm)

    #86, Dave G
    I was a bit tongue in cheek about the dual fuel, consider the word duel. It seems that oil is being sold for less than the cost of producing it right now. Part of me wonders if speculators are being forced to unload because of limited storage. A classic bubble, supply and demand. The cost will go up. I am for a fuel tax though.


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (11:32 pm)

    Jim I@58

    Please thank your son for his service. And thanks to your family as well. God Bless,
    Tag
    Approaching 19 months from my (optimistic) 7.4.2010 release date….
    LJGTVWOTR!! NPNS


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    Dec 5th, 2008 (11:45 pm)

    to say it, cause I’m a big Volt fan, but the truth of that picture is that there is one Volt mule on the road and there are many, many Prius’. Unfortunately, the fact it (Volt mule) showed up next to a Prius shows the success of the Prius. But stay tuned, this will change!


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    Dec 6th, 2008 (1:00 am)

    $12 Tim;

    At least Toyota is NOT asking for $Billions of taxpayer money because they couldn’t properly run their own damn business.
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    IF Detroit automakers get their loan Toyota may be right behind them – they’ve been losing a large percentage of their sales too: 33.9% for November.


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    Dec 6th, 2008 (1:14 am)

    #72 jbfalaska Says: “OPEC certainly knows how to play the market. They’re already buying up the wildcatters who can’t finance what they started after hitting. Putting the extra finds in their pocket until later on when they can charge more. How does any nation break this addiction without an active government.”
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    I believe the U.S. should set a minimum oil price of $65 a barrel. If the price goes below that, then import tariffs should be raised until the price is $65 / barrel.

    This would do 3 things:

    1) It would give investors in alternative transportation (like GM with the Volt) a chance to compete without OPEC pulling the rug out from under them.

    2) It would give consumers some sense of stability, so they can plan their next vehicle purchase. I think right now, car buyers don’t know whether to spend extra money for a fuel efficient vehicle, buy a less expensive vehicle, or go back to buying big SUVs. Car buyers have no direction right now, so they’re not buying until things become clear.

    3) It would give domestically produced oil from stripper wells, oil shale, and tar sands a chance to compete.


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    Dec 6th, 2008 (2:08 am)

    Don’t worry, oil prices will go back up when the DOW goes back up. And even if they don’t just enjoy it while the bridge to the future gets closer. The world is changing try and change with it.

    #55 Tim, If you hate this country so much why don’t you get out !!!!

    NO PLUG NO SALE, LJGTVWOTR, DBNGCMEMEV, (my house) =D~~~~(my volt)

    (don’t buy new gas cars make em make evs)


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    Dec 6th, 2008 (2:57 am)

    “This thread was going along really well until post #55.”

    Yeah. Tim is one of the elite communist sympathizers who is paid to troll boards with positive spin. He does not respect anyone’s son or daughter who serves to protect the country.

    Great shot! Kick a little A** Rick!! VOLT.


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    Dec 6th, 2008 (3:17 am)

    “Volt making sure to stay one step a head of the competition!”

    Only thing wrong with this picture is the caption, the Volt is many steps ahead of the competition. Anyone who enters a crowded Interstate will appreciate the peppiness of the Volt over other gas savers.
    The Prius is 0 to 60 in how many hours ?


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    Dec 6th, 2008 (5:28 am)

    My Fellow Americans,

    Remember Ask NOT what your car company can do for you.
    Ask what you can DO for your AMERICAN car companies.

    If you are in the market for a new car please consider, test drive and then buy one from GM,FORD or CHRYSLER.

    Transplant owners-You know who you are-Ditch that over valued Camry or Accord and get a Malibu-A better car for the money and a better warranty!

    Thanks and have a nice day.


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    Dec 6th, 2008 (8:25 am)

    I agree with post # 102 I have owed american made cars and trucks and have always be happy with them and have had few repairs.I do garage door repairs at alot of different dealerships and there are as many cars getting repaired at american dealers as there is at the others manufactures. Please do you reseach and buy as many american made products as you can.


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    Dec 6th, 2008 (8:58 am)

    Well it is illegal to pass the line at a corner while stopping.

    Volt sounds nice and all but Prius as been on the road for ten years now… No need to pass a stupid line a few inches to say to the world it is better.


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    Dec 6th, 2008 (9:03 am)

    #84 Arch — Good work! You kept it alive, and while it is struggling, it still is alive, and maybe it will get built.


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    Lyle, Great picture. That is very funny.


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    The Volt Cruze looks good to me. Send it to production now. Why wait two more years???????


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    Dec 6th, 2008 (2:07 pm)

    That’s how it should be. The Volt actually started out ahead of the Prius in every way. When the plug-in Pirus is rolled out in 2009 or later, it still wont be available to the public and will go nowhere near the distance the Volt can on electricity alone.


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    Dec 6th, 2008 (4:15 pm)

    Great except the Prius has sold hundreds of thousands already, and is nearing its 3rd generation. The Volt on the other hand will most likely never see a showroom floor. So I’d say Prius is quite a few steps ahead.


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    Dec 6th, 2008 (5:04 pm)

    Stantheman… that’s not realism- that is illogical cynicism. It is much more likely than not that it will be produced based on a myriad of evidences. Namely the priority it is being given within GM.


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    “That’s GM’s CEO Rick Wagoner driving the Volt experimental prototype mule car on the right making sure to stay one step a head of the competition!”

    I’d nominate that for stupidest post ever. Toyota has sold a million hybrids to date. GM is nowhere to be seen in the market. The Volt is still TWO YEARS from showrooms and it’s a crapshoot whether or not it will actually make it there and/or sell.

    Toyota’s business plan: Build quality cars people need, use excellent manufacturing techniques, work with suppliers and workers to drive down costs and improve quality.

    GM’s business plan: Beg for money from the taxpayer.


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    Dec 6th, 2008 (7:34 pm)

    I would buy that EREV Cruze today for $35,000 even if it doesn’t quite make it to 40 miles per charge due to lesser aerodynamics. That’s a nice looking car with plenty of functionality for daily operation.

    I’m concerned that some of the extreme engineering for the Volt has allowed “incredibly good” to become the enemy of ” really good”. I don’t need an I-Pod dash, touchscreen navigation, voice activated controls, incredibly low drag aerodynamics, tiny little slippery mirrors, a “Mr Fusion” power generator (for those who know what that is :) , or a keyless ignition system. What I need is something significantly better than what I’m driving now that gets the job done safely, comfortably, and efficiently. The Cruze body on the EREV frame could very well be that solution.


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    #101 Ed M Says: “The Prius is 0 to 60 in how many hours ?”
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    I test drove the Prius. We were at a stop light so I gunned it when the light turned green to see how it would react. Off the line, it was fast. Electric motors really do have that instant torque. Then when the Prius electric motor topped out, there was a lag as the gas engine turned on, and then very powerful again with the engine and motor working in parallel.

    So the Prius seems to have something like a turbo lag, only it starts fast, lags, then fast again. All in all, the performance very good, much better than acceptable.

    The point is that the Volt uses electricity and the Prius uses gasoline. Even the plug-in Prius will need to use gasoline during acceleration and on the freeway. So if the objective is to get off of gasoline, Toyota seems to have some catching up to do.


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    So the Prius seems to have something…
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    The word “seems” is appropriate. The CVT does indeed give that impression; however, the speedometer does not. Watching that, you’ll see there really isn’t a lag.

    All your life you’ve experienced a shifting during acceleration. When it’s not there anymore, the perception is power loss. Many test drive reports match yours.

    Think about the PSD. While the 50kW motor is busy with initial acceleration, the engine is independently starting up via the 10kW motor. Then it joins once RPM speeds up enough. It happens within just a second too. So, there really wouldn’t be an opportunity for lag anyway.


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    So if the objective is to get off of gasoline, Toyota seems to have some catching up to do.
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    That is not.

    The objective is to significantly reduce OVERALL consumption.

    How many Volt will have to be delivered before that reduction is greater?

    Looking at the entire fleet paints a very different picture, something quite essential in this time of automaker struggle.


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    Damn that Volt mule looks hella pimp. An electric vehicle or E-REV vehicle would be the only ones I would buy new.

    I’m looking forward to buying a Volt in a couple years… but at the same time, that’s a long time.


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    Dec 7th, 2008 (10:09 am)

    We need a price floor under foreign oil to keep the price of gasoline around $2 or something. Domestic oil would sell for what they can get on the market.
    But excess funds from the foreign oil must be kept away from the government and directed to American auto companies, American battery research and production, Coskata and similar endeavors. This requires an independent board that can allocate the resources without the typical government shenanigans and featherbedding. But, the problem of the non-competitive situation of the American car companies would still remain. They must be reorganized somehow.
    Also, if Coskata’s scheme will work for ‘trash’ carbon, would it not also work for shale? Wouldn’t that be a huge source of native fuel? Does someone know?


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    Yawn … wake me up when Volt has actually out-sold Prius.

    Or atleast when it saves more gas than Prius compared to a similar conventional gas car.


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    Good luck to you GM fanboyz. 3 yrs after I 1st head “don’t buy a Prius- wait for the Volt” I’d still be waiting AT LEAST another 2 yrs for a car that, surprise, looks very much like a tarted up prius, will cost at least 10k more, & uses the ice soley to recharge the li-ion batteries!
    Ask yourselves:
    - how did the PNGV (80 mpg by 2003) work out for you?
    - how many li-ion devices do you own whose batteries have performed at an acceptable level for an acceptable time?
    - can an ICE powered generator ever be as efficient as an ICE that can power the drive wheels directly? Not bloody likely.
    Toyota made a intelligent choice going with NiMh batteries and the PSD is an elegant piece of engineering. GM has yet to equal the EV-1. Good luck, you’ll need it.


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    It’s a drag race! I’m betting on the Volt


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    I don’t know what you mean about being one step ahead. As best I can tell, teh Prius is in production and the Volt powertrain hasn’t even pet the Volt body yet.


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    Dec 9th, 2008 (11:58 am)

    Someone may have already reported this… but it appears the Volt was *not* driven to DC as GM had implied… it was trucked to DC and driven only a few miles (w/MI Sen. Levin and Levin’s brother in the back seat). See http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20081205171416.aspx


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    well depending on very serious financing for GM, the volt might be one step closer to the grave than the prius seeing as Toyota is well running and GM is the walking dead.


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    Dec 10th, 2008 (12:12 am)

    The first 50 commnets here are obviously from the GM cheerleading squad. The Volt is a rehash of the Precept from 1993. GM (and the rest of te American auto industry) has had since 1973 to deal with the high cost, both financial and enviromental, of petroleum fuel. In 1994, all three of “The Big 3″ proved the whining today to be a lie. They all produced functional Hybrid cars. And then dumped them when Congress, and subsequently the White House, went far to the right, or was it for the cash. Same difference. Give them a dose of Republican “personal responsibility”, and let them die.


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    Dec 10th, 2008 (12:58 pm)

    Until I saw this photo I hadn’t realized just how ugly and stupid the Volt grill looks. A sop, I suppose, to those who preferred the ridiculous looking Volt concept vehicle, since it seems to show somewhat the same lack of style. I think the Volt does have the best idea for a hybrid drivetrain, and I hope it does well.


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    Dec 12th, 2008 (4:21 am)

    I like the Prius except for its rear window, which doesn’t seem to have much visibility. (I must admit, however, that I have never driven a Prius.)

    Here’s what I find exciting about the Volt:

    (1) Its drive is all electric.

    (2) Its range can be extended by charging the battery with an inernal-combustion engine coupled to a generator and running at an optimal speed for efficiency.

    (3) Its mechanical simplicity. With an engine directly coupled to a generator and with electric motors driving the wheels, there is a great reduction in mechanical components that can break down. This means much easier maintenance.

    THE BIG PROBLM, however, may be battery technology. From what I have read, it is not likely that batteries are good enough yet to power the volt. Quite naturallyl, I hope I am wrong about this.

    I am sure, however, that if the Volt works reasonably well, Toyota will come out with a similar car that will probably work better.


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    Dec 14th, 2008 (10:26 pm)

    Battery technology is good enough. It has been since NiMH. It may not be a superior alternative to gas tanks, but what they have works very well.

    The ultimate battery will be some form of ultracaps or ultracap hybrid.